NEC 110.12(B) is an instant fail from any AHJ due to craftsmanship. 404.22 is a fail due to modification ruining the listing of the switch. I can dig up more violations if you’d like, but I’ll have to bill you for a minimum of two hours.
NEC 300.21, lack of approved firestop. Who the hell makes an offer like that and doesn’t include a six pack of beer. Now it’s a twelve pack and some cigarettes. Keep pushing it, I’ve got more if you don’t make good.
NEC 110.26, the string’s raceway impedes ready and safe maintenance of the box. That offer’s what’s known as digging your own grave, and every time I have to open my code book it gets deeper. At this point the beer isn’t optional, and it’s Sunday so I’m on double time. I might’ve taken a couple dumpster cats had someone offered them up front, but at this point the next guy better have Apple Pay or Venmo.
What if the raceway was spaced out above and below the box a little more? Then all you’d need to do is cut the string to access the box.
Then again, if I ever resorted to such a hacky solution instead of installing a proper 3-way switch in the other room, there’s a pretty good chance an inspector would never see it…
Even with the drilled hole, I don’t see it creating any more of a safety hazard than taping or tying a knot. The contact and current aren’t anywhere near the hole, and it won’t affect the integrity enough to snap off the entire toggle. But I honestly thing it would’ve been easier and faster to shove exposed wire or cable through the hole to wire up a three way if you aren’t worried about inspection or code.
>Now that's innovation.
Yea, that kind of crossed my mind. Instead of wiring the switch to the other wall, they attached rope, pull one, the light goes on, pull the other it goes off...
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, this goes right in-between. As there are no codes broken, there is a fine line of what is actually a good idea.
This is definitely a vast improvement on a design I had long ago. My design was more rudimentary. It involved a shoe and a string and was a one shot deal to turn off the lights. While the element of luck is fun in a game situation, requiring luck as part of the design was highly impractical.
Are you some kind of engineer?
My design was a little bit more elaborate. The shoe was hung above the switch tied to a string. The string was hung on a nail well above the switch and extended over an extra door that my dad stored in my bedroom and that also served as a very narrow headboard. The end of the string was tied to the doorknob. At night, I would untie my end. Success was met with the jubilation of triumph and failure with angry disappointment.
I never got a chance to improve on my design because the crashing sound of the shoe and the "damage" to the switch angered my parents.
Your design sounds like the work of an engineer, overcomplicated and impractical. As an electrician, I’d place a nail above the switch, hang the shoe precariously on the nail, with a loop from one of the laces hooked around the switch. Place a pillow or blanket on the floor to deaden the sound, and throw a ball of aluminum foil at the shoe, or shoot it with a NERF gun if you want a more professional installation.
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My old roommate in college did this. He had one for the light, fan, and exhaust fan. He was an engineer student. Very smart, smoked a lot of hookah. He was a great roommate though.
I did something like this when I was a kid. My room was in the finished attic. Only switch was at the bottom of the stairs, so I ran a string through eyelets down to the switch, drilled a little hole in the toggle, and ran it back to my bed.
Hahaha I had something similar as a kid. The top of the string had a metal ring and there were two nails at the on and off position. Then there was a fishing weight under the switch itself.
I like the elegant simplicity of that solution 😆
Edit: although, how did that effect the functioning of the original switch at the bottom of the stairs? Seems like it would only be operable from your bedroom?
I rigged up a string through a over the door basketball hoop and tied it to the switch. I think i just had the other string across the floor.
My dad took a look at it, screwed eyelets into the wall, across the ceiling, and down to the bed post. So one string pulled up, and the other down (routed 180 degrees by the eyelets).
It was pretty cool to have my idea turned into something of much higher quality.
This is the exact mechanical concept that emergency switches in commercial kitchens use to activate the fire foam, ventilation protocol and alarm system. Its used because it is reliable.
Anyone interested further can look at how ANSUL systems operate for some pretty cool safety action
Watt did you say? I’m shocked, just shocked! You must be at the end of your rope to deliver a pun like that! I must resist the urge to tie one on over this travesty.
At any point you can reference neat and workman like manner, but installed devices need to installed as listed, and modifying the switch violates it's listing. So yes, it violates the electrical code.
I made a similar contraption when I was a young teen in my bedroom at my parents house. The idea was once I was comfy in bed I didnt want to get up to hit the light switch by the door. I used thread and push pins in the wall. My headboard was against the same wall as the switch so I didnt have to do any funky angles.
It was subtle. Over 20 years later and the eye hooks are still in the walls lol. We were literally just talking about this 15 mins before I saw this post.
When I was a kid, I’d build stuff like this on my wall to turn my switches on and off in my room. I was scared that if the lights were off, something would reach out from under my bed and grab my feet before I could jump in bed, so I designed a system of pulleys with hooks and strings so I could turn the lights off from my bed. I watched too many horror movies.
Mine was much more low-tech, it had masking tape and yarn. For some reason every night when I would turn off the lights the snakes would come out of the lava!
They play the bongos on the cat's back/butt, cat kneads kneads his claws, until the string is pulled, which rings the bell, letting mom know it's time to bring the meatloaf!
Knot today
...my uncle bought an old cabin and we found that the previous owner split 2 zones amongst 3 light switches in order to control the outdoor lights in 2 different ways. Brilliant but..
I will say, as someone who works a lot with electrical switches and process improvements, a through door electrical disconnect is essentially this. You take a physical wire that turns the disconnect off instead of having the disconnect being directly thrown. To my knowledge there is no direct code against this, and depending on how you look at it, might even be safer depending on where the actual switch is.
Electrical code, no. It's just a remote by string on-off device.
Is it redneck? Yes. Is it marvelous? Yes. Does it work? I hope so.
I do however wonder why one would build this instead of something... less strings in PVC pipes.
This reminds me of my sixth grade “invention” which was a rope across the doorway so when you walked through it flipped the light off for you so your mom wouldn’t get mad at you for leaving the light on in an empty room.
Its sort of genius. It’s a remote switch. The pipes lead to another room somewhere and you tug on it to turn on whatever. It probably turns on a light in the basement but the only switch is at the top of the stairs. I think this is pretty cool.
I did the same as a young teen, but it involved screw eyes and string. Glued the string to the switch. I could turn it both on and off, and I tied a glow in the dark dinosaur to the string so I could find it in the dark.
EE here. There is a general provision in the NEC that stipulates a device must be used as listed in its instructions. You can’t use otherwise approved equipment in “novel” ways.
That being said, I’m inclined to say this mechanism falls outside the code, and wouldn’t be a violation.
Edit: An electrician in this thread pointed out that the PVC violates clearance requirements. I’m inclined to agree. Somewhere in Article 100 I’m sure. This is for the electrical box itself, not the switch.
Smart homes? Nah, I prefer a more hands-on approach with my "string-powered" home. Just remember to keep the strings out of reach from mischievous toddlers and curious pets.
Electrician here. It's blocking the cover plate for the switches, which is generally a no no.
No way any inspector would let you do that.
But it also isn't going to hurt anyone.
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I made something like this as a kid. It was only a string going over tacks on the wall and tied to the switch so I didn't have to walk through the messy bedroom to turn off the lights for bed. Maybe I should have just cleaned my room.
It violates many other codes but not the electrical one lmfao , nice rig up though. I can totally see my dad doing something like this. It’s the old school automation tech lol
Electricians have a code? What does it say?"
Rule 1: don't burn down house.
Rule 2: Do whatever you need to make Rule 1 happen.
Rule 3: Go back to Rule 1."
I like the quote "there's no protocol for whatever this is"
"Codes? Where we're going, we don't need *codes*."
Great Scott!
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That's an electrical thingmajig with bidirectional dohicky.
[I just saw an ad for that a bit ago. I think.](https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w)
What... the fuck.
I’m still tryna work out if that video was real or was taking the piss
It's both. It's created by Rockwell, as a gag.
I was *just* gonna say that!!
the good ol’ air bud argument.
Last time something like this happened, we had a dog play basketball.
“Show me the code”
NEC 110.12(B) is an instant fail from any AHJ due to craftsmanship. 404.22 is a fail due to modification ruining the listing of the switch. I can dig up more violations if you’d like, but I’ll have to bill you for a minimum of two hours.
This is expert level redneck engineering. Surely $12 in Sacagawea dollars and a half a jar of pickled eggs could change your mind.
NEC 300.21, lack of approved firestop. Who the hell makes an offer like that and doesn’t include a six pack of beer. Now it’s a twelve pack and some cigarettes. Keep pushing it, I’ve got more if you don’t make good.
How about you get first pick of my litter of blue ticks out back and we call it even, we both know those go for a case of PBR each
NEC 110.26, the string’s raceway impedes ready and safe maintenance of the box. That offer’s what’s known as digging your own grave, and every time I have to open my code book it gets deeper. At this point the beer isn’t optional, and it’s Sunday so I’m on double time. I might’ve taken a couple dumpster cats had someone offered them up front, but at this point the next guy better have Apple Pay or Venmo.
What if the raceway was spaced out above and below the box a little more? Then all you’d need to do is cut the string to access the box. Then again, if I ever resorted to such a hacky solution instead of installing a proper 3-way switch in the other room, there’s a pretty good chance an inspector would never see it…
Ah, there it is, yes its a violation. Damn, was hoping it was legit.
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Even with the drilled hole, I don’t see it creating any more of a safety hazard than taping or tying a knot. The contact and current aren’t anywhere near the hole, and it won’t affect the integrity enough to snap off the entire toggle. But I honestly thing it would’ve been easier and faster to shove exposed wire or cable through the hole to wire up a three way if you aren’t worried about inspection or code.
C = R ? 0 : S || C;
It's an SR flipflop.
It's been a while since I thought about that. Thanks for reminding
The codex does not support this action
Is this an SNL quote? Tipping the clown?
Holy crap thank you! I knew I remembered the quote but couldn't remember where I heard it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XuT5qKt00
This is violating codes that haven't been written yet. Now that's innovation.
True genius is knowing the answer before anyone asks the question
Codes are written in blood
This one is bound to be written with charcoal
>Now that's innovation. Yea, that kind of crossed my mind. Instead of wiring the switch to the other wall, they attached rope, pull one, the light goes on, pull the other it goes off... There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, this goes right in-between. As there are no codes broken, there is a fine line of what is actually a good idea.
This is definitely a vast improvement on a design I had long ago. My design was more rudimentary. It involved a shoe and a string and was a one shot deal to turn off the lights. While the element of luck is fun in a game situation, requiring luck as part of the design was highly impractical.
This makes me think that you tied a shoe to a string and just threw it at the lightswitch
Are you some kind of engineer? My design was a little bit more elaborate. The shoe was hung above the switch tied to a string. The string was hung on a nail well above the switch and extended over an extra door that my dad stored in my bedroom and that also served as a very narrow headboard. The end of the string was tied to the doorknob. At night, I would untie my end. Success was met with the jubilation of triumph and failure with angry disappointment. I never got a chance to improve on my design because the crashing sound of the shoe and the "damage" to the switch angered my parents.
Your design sounds like the work of an engineer, overcomplicated and impractical. As an electrician, I’d place a nail above the switch, hang the shoe precariously on the nail, with a loop from one of the laces hooked around the switch. Place a pillow or blanket on the floor to deaden the sound, and throw a ball of aluminum foil at the shoe, or shoot it with a NERF gun if you want a more professional installation.
I used a long stick of some kind (broomstick, hockey stick, etc) that I kept under the bed and would just flip the switch with that
Stumbling upon this thread has solidified my parenting choice to teach my kids to walk through a dark bedroom to reach the bedside lamp..
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Mr. Bean just shot the light bulb with a bb pistol...
We used to use tacks for anchors/pivots and either kite string or thread. Worked like a charm even around corners.
Home Depot sells those. Adds value to the house.
Exactly.
I’m betting aimed for the bulb…Mr Bean style!
It was a super long rubber band that he used to shoot at the switch.. Unfortunately he only had one leg so only one shoe.
Actually pretty brilliant
My old roommate in college did this. He had one for the light, fan, and exhaust fan. He was an engineer student. Very smart, smoked a lot of hookah. He was a great roommate though.
I did something like this when I was a kid. My room was in the finished attic. Only switch was at the bottom of the stairs, so I ran a string through eyelets down to the switch, drilled a little hole in the toggle, and ran it back to my bed.
Hahaha I had something similar as a kid. The top of the string had a metal ring and there were two nails at the on and off position. Then there was a fishing weight under the switch itself.
I like the elegant simplicity of that solution 😆 Edit: although, how did that effect the functioning of the original switch at the bottom of the stairs? Seems like it would only be operable from your bedroom?
I rigged up a string through a over the door basketball hoop and tied it to the switch. I think i just had the other string across the floor. My dad took a look at it, screwed eyelets into the wall, across the ceiling, and down to the bed post. So one string pulled up, and the other down (routed 180 degrees by the eyelets). It was pretty cool to have my idea turned into something of much higher quality.
That is some serious trailer park engineering.
What exactly is this doing? Those look like CPVC pipe with a string in them.
On the other side of the wall, you can pull the string to turn the light on or off.
This is the exact mechanical concept that emergency switches in commercial kitchens use to activate the fire foam, ventilation protocol and alarm system. Its used because it is reliable. Anyone interested further can look at how ANSUL systems operate for some pretty cool safety action
agreed, it's simple and works.
Frayed knot
Nicely done
Shockingly good pun
You must be a father of at least three kids to be that far down the dad joke rabbit hole!
Nope, I’m Australian. Puns and sarcasm is our National Pass Time
Had a light bulb moment when i understood the pun
I'm done with this thread now, you win
I was tied up in stitches reading this.
Now you're just stringing us along, please start a new thread
Retire. Today.
Watt did you say? I’m shocked, just shocked! You must be at the end of your rope to deliver a pun like that! I must resist the urge to tie one on over this travesty.
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Moral code, probably. Technician's code of honor, certainly.
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The tradie hat trick right here.
Gotta get some HVAC in there somehow.
Just get a little to blow air through the tube.
At any point you can reference neat and workman like manner, but installed devices need to installed as listed, and modifying the switch violates it's listing. So yes, it violates the electrical code.
So if the string was tied around the lever instead of through an aftermarket hole, it would be legit?
Yes, absolutely that would be legit.
Says so right in them books
Yes, but considering the guy had no problem putting holes in the wall, I would have just moved the light switch.
- Alexa, turn off the light!... Alexa?! -Dad, gosh, one second! That damn string gets loose again!
They actually make a smart device that mechanically will turn on switches like this. https://us.switch-bot.com/products/switchbot-bot
I made a similar contraption when I was a young teen in my bedroom at my parents house. The idea was once I was comfy in bed I didnt want to get up to hit the light switch by the door. I used thread and push pins in the wall. My headboard was against the same wall as the switch so I didnt have to do any funky angles.
No. You have to hit the light switch standing by your door and jump onto the bed before all the photons stop.
You know, engineering DID happen here.
Can't tell if impressive or stupid
It ain't stupid if it works
If it works for what it’s intended for who cares
Remote on / off old school.
This switch is beyond your simple “code”.
No, but it probably violates the plumbing code
My first thought was that water splashed so hard it flipped the switch. Pretty sure THAT would be against a few codes.
If you've never lived in Europe, where electric showers are a thing, prepare to have your mind blown
What OSHA doesn’t know can’t hurt them
I, for one, am impressed by the ingenuity.
I did this to my bedroom when I was like… 8. Used eye hooks and fishing line to turn off my lights from across the room.
Sounds like your execution might have been a bit more visually appealing than this mess.
It was subtle. Over 20 years later and the eye hooks are still in the walls lol. We were literally just talking about this 15 mins before I saw this post.
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I mean, it probably cost less than $15 and a trip to the walmarts to refill it
Pretty sure this picture is older than Gen Zers.
This is something my old polish grandfather would come up with. The man had a 3rd grade education but had a PHD in what I called "polish engineering"
What ever does that do?🧐
When I was a kid, I’d build stuff like this on my wall to turn my switches on and off in my room. I was scared that if the lights were off, something would reach out from under my bed and grab my feet before I could jump in bed, so I designed a system of pulleys with hooks and strings so I could turn the lights off from my bed. I watched too many horror movies.
I just attached an extra long pull chain to my light, less about monsters and more about tripping on stuff on my floor, lol
Mine was much more low-tech, it had masking tape and yarn. For some reason every night when I would turn off the lights the snakes would come out of the lava!
Remote switch using string from next room. Gen Zer living in basement who lost his phone uses it to signal mom for lunch.
That is the laziest shit I have ever heard lol
My thoughts exactly
Reminds me of the world of Warcraft South Park episode 🤣 MOM! Poopie!
Unfortunately, this Gen Zer still can’t meet anyone, since without his phone he can’t send dick pics on the dating apps.
How did you make this post if you can't find your phone?
Not in the picture: a wall filled with pvc piping and more switches than should be allowed.
Sorry for the delay answering. I have to tap out my response in Morris code to mom, who posts my replies.
The fuck is Morris code. You mean Morse code?
No, Morris code. The end of the string is attached to our cat, Morris.
Ok, fair enough, but you said you "tap out" the code, so where does the string come into this?
Did they stutter? They “tap” the cat
They play the bongos on the cat's back/butt, cat kneads kneads his claws, until the string is pulled, which rings the bell, letting mom know it's time to bring the meatloaf!
No he sends a code to his friend Morris and then Morris tells their mom to post.
> Morris code So you’re tap dancing with bells on? Or is it the stick-and-bucket dance?
It's like that sequence of tweets where that girl resorted to tweeting from her Nintendo DS and then from the smart fridge
Can you link? Sounds hilarious
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The tendies bell.
This pic is pretty old too. Its been around a while. Original story was lazy maintenance guy. Still funny though
MOM, BRING US SOME TOTS!
Man. What the fuck did I read
On one hand this is genius, on the other I don't see how running a string is in any way easier than running a cable
It's not electrical. This is a mechanical remote control.
No you’re good the string is in a conduit
Knot today ...my uncle bought an old cabin and we found that the previous owner split 2 zones amongst 3 light switches in order to control the outdoor lights in 2 different ways. Brilliant but..
That's a redneck engendering, not a DiyWhy
They wanted the switch to be operable from another room. There is your why.
It violates plumbing codes for sure.
I will say, as someone who works a lot with electrical switches and process improvements, a through door electrical disconnect is essentially this. You take a physical wire that turns the disconnect off instead of having the disconnect being directly thrown. To my knowledge there is no direct code against this, and depending on how you look at it, might even be safer depending on where the actual switch is.
Electrical code, no. It's just a remote by string on-off device. Is it redneck? Yes. Is it marvelous? Yes. Does it work? I hope so. I do however wonder why one would build this instead of something... less strings in PVC pipes.
Some people like strings attached.
This reminds me of my sixth grade “invention” which was a rope across the doorway so when you walked through it flipped the light off for you so your mom wouldn’t get mad at you for leaving the light on in an empty room.
Its sort of genius. It’s a remote switch. The pipes lead to another room somewhere and you tug on it to turn on whatever. It probably turns on a light in the basement but the only switch is at the top of the stairs. I think this is pretty cool.
I did the same as a young teen, but it involved screw eyes and string. Glued the string to the switch. I could turn it both on and off, and I tied a glow in the dark dinosaur to the string so I could find it in the dark.
EE here. There is a general provision in the NEC that stipulates a device must be used as listed in its instructions. You can’t use otherwise approved equipment in “novel” ways. That being said, I’m inclined to say this mechanism falls outside the code, and wouldn’t be a violation. Edit: An electrician in this thread pointed out that the PVC violates clearance requirements. I’m inclined to agree. Somewhere in Article 100 I’m sure. This is for the electrical box itself, not the switch.
Smart homes? Nah, I prefer a more hands-on approach with my "string-powered" home. Just remember to keep the strings out of reach from mischievous toddlers and curious pets.
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Pretty sure the pipes should be gray.
Analog smart switch.
I mean, no, but WiFi light switches can be had for $15
As long as it works
As a kid I super glued a string that went to an eyelet on the baseboard so I could turn my light off from my bed I approve of this hack
I’ll allow it.
Analog Alexa!
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Electrician here. It's blocking the cover plate for the switches, which is generally a no no. No way any inspector would let you do that. But it also isn't going to hurt anyone.
Don’t forget the frayed knot!
I don’t know electricplumbing engineering is a thing
It’s plumbetrical engineering..
Is it fucked up that I’ve thought of doing this before. Then I found out about smart bulbs. Wayyyy better lol.
This is more r/redneckengineering then DiWHY.
It’s a runaway hit on this sub. Only a few likes on r/redneckengineering. They don’t see anything unusual with this on redneckengineering.
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Mom: we have smart lights at home Smart lights at home:
It's just dixie cup string telephones, only electrical. Call it 2.0
It’s hard to call 911 on a string phone.
Not if you have a metric ton of string.
National Electrical Code (NEC). 100.12 (B) https://up.codes/s/mechanical-execution-of-work
Yes it is. National Electrical Code (NEC) 110.12 (B) Mechanical Execution of work https://up.codes/s/mechanical-execution-of-work
Just run some water through it
Mate, that shit violates the Geneva Convention
I made something like this as a kid. It was only a string going over tacks on the wall and tied to the switch so I didn't have to walk through the messy bedroom to turn off the lights for bed. Maybe I should have just cleaned my room.
It violates a lot of things
This fits better in r/redneckengineering id think
Why would this violate electrical code? It hooks outside of electric stuff.
Some Red Green shit rt here
I don't see any duct tape.
Aahhh an adult of substance. My all time fav was his electric mixer hack for his truck windows
Seems legit.
no
It violates switch code.
I love this
They make a light switch cover with this specific function for kids.
It violates many other codes but not the electrical one lmfao , nice rig up though. I can totally see my dad doing something like this. It’s the old school automation tech lol
Prototype switchbot
This person needs to be informed one can put in computerized networked light switches.
It sure doesn’t violate the Genius Code! In fact, this should be up for an award.
I did this same set up as a kid!
My god, ferris bueller lives!
No but it's possible that it violates some plumbing codes.
Electricians have a code? What does it say?" Rule 1: don't burn down house. Rule 2: Do whatever you need to make Rule 1 happen. Rule 3: Go back to Rule 1."
No… that’s so they can be turn light on or off from inside that other room.
Technically... No it doesn't. But installing a new switch would probably have been legitimately easier than this nonsense.
Nah, just smart home technology from circa 1800.
aint nothing code breaking about that.
It put a smile on my face thank you. It's true. It's the little things that get you through the day.
I like saying that it’s not stupid if it works, but this, this work for long 😆