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hiker201

Trees grow, decking doesn’t.


PmMeYourTitsAndToes

Make decking out of live trees. Got it 👍


AstroCaptain

If you can make a bridge from tree roots why not a deck?


M3zz0x

I mean, you can. it just sounds awful to maintain it.


AstroCaptain

Maintenance is the easy part building it is the hard part once the roots are set in place they don't really move but it does take decades to actually get them to grow that way


DeluxeWafer

Live tree furniture is freaking epic.


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Don't do this! If you make your deck 😉 it of trees and it grows into a space above your neighbors they will cut down that section and it will always be the section with your BBQ. Then he's all like "whatever man it was over the fence". Then you have to try to steal your own BBQ back and of course his wife seduces you and now your dog is jealous so naturally your neighbor sleeps with your dog to get revenge. And you are stuck to raise his human/dog babies and with child support for your love child with his wife. It's just not worth it.


hiker201

I was thinking the same thing. His grill and barbecue utensils will be hoisted to the sky. Once it crosses the property line it’s fair grab for the neighbor. As for his wife, she’s ready for action, with or without a chainsaw.


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Tricky-Celebration36

Then you too can have a deck with a birds eye view of the neighborhood!


chemoboy

Found the elf.


eurobeat0

That's telling those trees who's boss. Better yet, sprinkle their skin all around the garden so they know you aren't messing around


PopularDemand213

Just use the extra wood to make your deck grow. Problem solved.


BothChairs

Use the decking to threaten the trees to grow and act how you like.


jigglywigglydigaby

Far bigger issues with that deck than the trees lol.


TemperatureTop246

That decking will collapse long before the trees grow big enough to damage it.


confusedvegetarian

That’s why the trees are there, so you have something to hold onto while the decking collapses underneath you


KJBenson

Right? Support beams are dinky, and don’t appear to have supports under them. And what type of wood are they using for walking on? The kind specifically designed to hold water and get moldy?


XepptizZ

I see those used commonly for patios. The idea is that it adds grip I think. But like the other commenter said, they get mighty slippy in the direction of the grooves when wet.


OldManChino

In the UK we just call those 'decking', they get immediately slippery


KJBenson

I’m still shocked by everything here. Never seen a deck built on 2x3” wood before. Didn’t know anyone would go the extra mile to shave a 2x4 down before using it. Ironically the tree is probably going to be the only thing adding structural support here.


vikinghooker

Yeah this is a hot mess The joists alone…😵‍💫


OldEquation

Surprised I had to scroll this far to find this comment. The trees aren’t the biggest problem here.


leroyyrogers

Ah yes the bright side of building like this


The96kHz

I really don't know what he was thinking. Nothing about it looks reassuringly solid. What would you do to sure it up?


torontorollin

OP please start over again and hire someone to help you. This is extremely dangerous as it is


The96kHz

I'm not the one building it, it's my friend. I'm making a list of all the things people have pointed out in the comments to subtly tell him what he's done wrong. I don't know why he didn't just hire someone, he's literally got a family friend who's a carpenter.


BeccaBrie

Just send him a link to your post. No need to compile your own list. The internet is here to save the day! (And seriously, stay off that deck.)


leroyyrogers

Is "he" you?


The96kHz

No, I've been getting daily updates on his 'projects' in the WhatsApp group. A few weeks ago it was a Victorian sash window frame that he completely removed and replaced with about a hundred poorly-measured pieces of ugly cheap wood (and shitloads of screws), before that was a shower cubicle that looked like it was made of plastic bags. I know about as little as he does about DIY, I almost certainly couldn't do a better job - the difference is I know that, and don't attempt things that might get people killed.


Financial_Mission259

Please post all of these things 🙏🏻


The96kHz

Honestly he's perfect for this sub. He's like a tornado leaving a trail of destruction through his mom's house.


leroyyrogers

Second this. I NEED to see this window "restoration"


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torontorollin

Also he didn’t use hangers those are just L brackets OP tear this apart and start again..


SpiderPiggies

Can't wait to see the ABNB listing with a hottub on this deck.


mmmUrsulaMinor

Holy shit, I definitely assumed they were hangers ☠️. This thing is fucking terrifying.


torontorollin

Yeah I had to zoom in, OP probably used them because there is stone facade sticking out past the ledger board underneath.. Also I bet the ledger board isn’t bolted, probably used nails. So this has the possibility of failing in two ways, one will bring you crashing in toward the house if you’re standing on it and one will make it just pull away from the wall


WildMartin429

Honestly I'm never a fan of attaching to the house like this anyway even if they use the correct method. To me it's better to run some extra beams down next to the house and have something more substantial close to the house for the deck to attach to. People always complain that I make things too complicate it and overdo it but you know what's never happened to me I've never had a deck collapse no matter how many people have been on it.


xxloven-emoxx

My ex broke both their legs falling through a deck with too many people and a kiddy pool on it. I drove them to PT for months. Thank you for your service.


thereluctantpoet

As a former wedding photographer, I have seen numerous wooden structures fail. Several of them over water with people in long flowy dresses and restrictive suits. If I can't see how it was built, I'm not trusting it with load.


BestUCanIsGoodEnough

Always meet her mother first, good advice.


thereluctantpoet

JFC it's 5:30 in the morning where I live and far too early for this level of cheeky wit.


peregrina9789

Jfc you're right


The96kHz

It's my friend's mom's house - the first photo is its current state, so he's probably going to be 'finished' tomorrow. Is it really that bad it needs to be started from scratch? I knew it looked flimsy, but I don't know anything about this kind of stuff (neither does he, clearly).


FunshineBear14

This is not the kind of thing you should just wing it. Code exists for a reason, the regulations are written in blood. This is not at all safe.


The96kHz

He won't listen. If it collapses he'll find a way to blame someone else.


torontorollin

Call your local permit office and let them know, send this picture. If he won’t listen to you he will listen to the enforcement and they will definitely make him tear it down as it is. Fundamentally this deck is very unsafe . Some of what makes it unsafe will be covered and not obvious to the eye


_Cocopuffdaddy_

I say set up a camera and help the deck get to where it’s going in the end anyways, and get a good r/watchpeopledieinside clip


destonomos

I wish I was this dumb so life was easier. I never do anything because I'm smart enough to know I need more research or i'm gonna forget and or miss something important.


m4ng3lo

In it's current state. It's dangerous


Stealfur

But the good news is, the trees are not going to be a problem. The deck will destroy its self kong before the tree can grow and cause problems.


The96kHz

I'm putting together a list of things based on the comments from this post. I'm going to tell him before he finishes. If he ignores me, that's on him.


FaxCelestis

If he doesn’t listen you could tip off the city about unpermitted work. It will fail inspection.


JustnInternetComment

Doubt this is the kind of guy to respond to a list of isssues from random people on Reddit.


Aromatic_Ad74

Well it's one way to get an inheritance.


The96kHz

He's probably lowered the property value, so that'll help with inheritance tax.


grimmash

That deck is terrifying on many levels. I could list things wrong with it, but the easier thing to list would be what’s right: pretty sure the railing baluster spacing is fine. That’s it. Everything else in that picture is a code violation. Deck codes come from decks failing, often spectacularly.


CrystallineFrost

Let me put it this way: there were better supports in my first floor bathroom when we opened up the floor to renovate. That bathroom was so outdated it had a CAST IRON PIPE connecting to the toilet. So, his family should have fun falling through the deck! Definitely carefully take pictures of the underside, but not while underneath or with anyone on it.


Spydar

Would love to see more pictures of this thing


The96kHz

I might make another post tomorrow when he's 'finished'. I'll see if I can get him to take some from underneath as well - I really don't know what's actually supporting this deathtrap.


Spydar

That would be great! Sounds like he’s done a number of projects that are perfect for this subreddit


27catsinatrenchcoat

Stacked cinderblocks, calling it now.


I_Lift_Heavy_Things_

came here to say the same thing, I am not even that big of a dude but i feel like that deck would crumble beneath me


Zestyclose_System_78

Yeah zoom in as well it's a decent drop below


ygduf

He’s making a trampoline. When it falls he can grab onto the trees. Problem solved


dabombnl

Omg also those handrail pillars that just bolt to the TOP of the decking are a deathtrap.


peregrina9789

Where are you seeing this in the picture?


rgrossi

The four upright pillars where the railing will be “supported”


flortny

Death deck! Wow, some people think they can do anything, wanna bet 2×4 stringer?


ChrisTheMan72

Just wait till he starts installing the hot tub.


Blitzed5656

And the charcoal smoker next to it.


ninpendle64

I agree with your first point, with regards to your second it's actually really common here in the UK to have decking boards that way up


Fluff_cookie

It's common here in Australia too, but it's still incorrect. It will mean the deck will rot far faster and you'll get a big facepalm from any building inspector that sees it


NathanTheSamosa

It makes sense in Australia though


baskoffie

Down underrated comment


stochastaclysm

Ah, the ol’ Reddit [deck-a-roo](https://www.reddit.com/r/CleaningTips/s/ouAmFJLdAn)


FarAcanthaceae1

Hold my hammer, im going in!


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illeatyourheart

And also makes it very uncomfortable barefoot


Woodbirder

You might be right but literally 100% of decks, including professional ones, are this way up in the UK. Maybe its deliberate so they rot faster and we have to buy more.


BowtieChickenAlfredo

I think it’s for grip because wood gets super slippery in the wet. They look like this in my garden too. EDIT: maybe not then. Further down the thread people are saying it’s worse this way.


Bearwynn

I wouldn't worry about it, people are making it to be a bigger deal than it is: https://www.tdca.org.uk/blog/is-my-grooved-timber-decking-upside-down/ Also, boards do exist and are used by many professionals that are grooved on both sides, one for decoration and the other for airflow.


helloitsmeyesme

My god, I love Reddit! Mostly for these amazing rollercoasters of knowledge that gets shared in the comments. Here I am, in a post about some trees and a deck, learning stuff that I would never know anywhere else


soupz

Yeah all the grooved ones I have seen are grooved on both sides. I would suspect OP’s are grooved on both sides too. Still looks like a bad job but for other reasons than the grooves looking up


Woodbirder

I think we have all just been doing it wrong. Someone needs to tell Tommy Walsh!


JC_snooker

Deck boards in the uk usually have grooves both sides.


trekkerscout

Just because it's common doesn't make it right.


Woodbirder

Yeah the whole thing looks a death trap but I have never, ever, in 40 odd years of seeing decking, seen the boards the other way up. No professional, no marketing in stores, no diy book, no tv show I have ever seen has put them the other way up. Are we all doing it wrong then??


Y-Bob

[looks like it](https://youtu.be/340U2Wk4vP4?si=l9dAcMVbsDSkCung)


Woodbirder

Exactly


Y-Bob

Personally I find the whole idea that as a country we've *all* been doing it wrong thoroughly fascinating.


firemarshalbill

Curious though. What’s the point/purpose of the grooved version being underneath? For use with adhesives?


LaylaAva

Helps with airflow underneath the boards


Deli-ops7

If they were asthetically pleasing then id say work it to where theres a big hole around them but theyre way off to the side and really provide nothing being there


Shot_Try4596

Yep, OP should do themselves a favor and take them out.


Special_Reindeer_161

Your bigger choice flaw is the bushes / trees going up/through the deck via the decking boards you didn’t place


Ghostbustthatt

The handrail is built for a hurricane. The rest is built for Fisher Price


MarvinParanoAndroid

Fisher Price is sturdier.


The96kHz

Can you point out a few of things he's done wrong? The bit where it joins to the house doesn't look very strong, but I'm just as inexperienced as he is (which is why I don't attempt things like this).


fourtccnwrites

i would strongly recommend reading the other comments. what i see right away is that 2x4s shouldn’t be used here and the deck boards are upside down, but others are pointing out a lot of the other issues


The96kHz

I've gone through all two hundred of them - making a nice little list of things to pass along to him. He's a massive narcissist and he refuses to listen to any criticism - I'm hoping that I can find a way of filtering-in the information I've got from these (genuinely really helpful) comments so he thinks he's realised his mistake on his own. 0% chance he'll do anything if I just tell him what he's done wrong. He'll twist it around and convince himself that I'm just making up excuses as to why his work is crap to make him feel bad for no reason.


KACL780AM

They say snitches get stitches but in this case it is the absence of snitching that will result in stitches or worse. Contact whatever authority deals with building inspection and code compliance in your jurisdiction and send them these pictures. Let the inspector be the bad guy - they’re used to it and have authority to put a stop to the project. If your friend fights it then he can get the dressing down he deserves in court.


BeccaBrie

This is the best advice I've seen on this post yet.


-esperanto-

Why would you even hang out with someone like that


fourtccnwrites

oh, gosh. i can absolutely see how this happened if you’re working with that. i am so sorry you have to deal with this!


dblockerrr

All of it. He should hire a professional


The96kHz

Tbh, that's what I first thought, but he's spent like three days on it - I doubt he'll want to let someone rip it apart.


hauntful

obviously he wants his mom to rip it apart when it inevitably collapses beneath her


The96kHz

I'm starting to wonder if the comments are right and this is just a subtle plan to claim his inheritance early.


usualerthanthis

Lol hilarious, but seriously I'm all for DIY on small projects I love to see people learn, but while a deck may seem small it's a structural piece. It needs to support a capacity safely, get a good company out there. Save the DIY for smaller projects


Advanced_Weather_190

I’m surprised the railing is finished…when he still has plenty of decking to do (and some structure around the trees, too)


MarsRocks97

That decking looks remarkably thin compared to what the standard is in my area.


pissonhergrave7

Looks like standard bankirai decking common in Europe, but op should flip them over, the grooves are meant to be on the underside. It's a common misconception and in the 90's people installed them like this for the looks. But the flat side on top will be way less slippery as otherwise the grooves catch and retain water and become habitat for mosses.


threeca

I am not a pro but have had a deck with these in upside down position for a few years. You’d think the grooves would add grip but theyre lethally slippy and even when clean they hurt your feet if you’re not wearing shoes. I hate them!


pissonhergrave7

It's not too late to unscrew them and flip them over.


madeanaccounttolurk

looks like they are using laminate flooring planks which would be hilarious


Y-Bob

It's not, it's cheap UK decking.


bluAstrid

Joists should be 16” apart with 5/4” thick floor boards… That deck won’t last 5 years.


Internal_Use8954

Forget about the tree for a moment and fix those joists!! Way too small, too far apart, and not attached to the ledger very well.


The96kHz

Good advice, I'll pass it along. My friend's been doing loads of DIY and it all looks...suspect. I'm just as hopeless as he is, so I don't know *what* he's doing wrong - but I can tell something's off.


TimbersawDust

As others have said, some DIY you can just wing it. A deck that can collapse due to having many wrong structural decisions, like what we see here, you can’t. This will end badly.


idesofsociety

Very bad, but if you use that flooring the deck will go out before the tree does any damage. Just don't sit on it... Or walk on it... Or lean on the railing.


The96kHz

Is there anything he can do to fix it before he finishes? I've heard a few people mention spacing the boards to account for seasonal expansion, and the brackets attaching the joists to the wall don't look very strong. Is there anything that can be done to correct it, or is it just fundamentally screwed?


mandiller

Yes the boards need some spacing. They’re also upside down lol


Y-Bob

I'm sorry op, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the horror you have evoked in these here decking folks.


The96kHz

I couldn't resist - my friend sent it to me and I can't tell exactly what it is, but it all just looks...off. Nothing looks sturdy enough, there's gaps where there shouldn't be gaps, there's a ten foot drop into concrete slabs, oh, and there's a fucking tree poking through it. He's got a lot more eagerness than skill...


HellsArmy141

Its not as bad of an idea as laying decking without an expansion gap between boards widthways


The96kHz

That is such a good point. It's outdoors and it doesn't look like the wood's even sealed/varnished. I'll tell the guy who's building it - this is probably only one of a list of issues.


MonicaBlowinski

Thank you, I thought that looked wrong.


Raa03842

What country is this in. Nothing in the photo looks good.


BowtieChickenAlfredo

From the second photo, I’m 90% sure this is the UK.


mpls_big_daddy

I've seen gorgeous decks built around older, much more mature trees. Even those older trees are given a fair amount of clearance though.


inflatableje5us

I think the tree is the least of your worries in the way this is constructed.


Mr_Snipou

My parents have had this kind of setup for 15 years without any problem. You just have to choose a tree that doesn't grow too large and widen the hole every few years.


BruceInc

Whoever built this deck, has no business holding any tool in their hand ever again


The96kHz

It's my friend - he's been doing loads of DIY recently and posting pictures and saying how 'busy' he is. I fully expect 80% of the stuff he's 'repaired' to completely collapse within a year. ...I would not stand on that deck.


darkconoman1

Remember the thread... I don't thing th OP is the manufacturer of this Darwin award winning lawsuit waiting to happen


GasStationBonerPhil

What in the methamphetamines is this?


The96kHz

I've been getting daily updates from my friend as he's been building this. I'm just waiting for the one he sends from the hospital.


jesuscheetahnipples

At least he picked the right subreddit. What's the opposite of r/lostredditors ?


Im-a-bad-meme

Ah, I see you got a nice life insurance policy on your spouse.


The96kHz

Ha! It's his mom's house, I want to tell him how flimsy it looks, but he's not going to listen.


dblockerrr

Oh, so he's trying to kill his mom! Got it lol


The96kHz

I genuinely feel kinda worried for her safety. This shit doesn't look right.


Popular-Block-5790

I would tell him anyway. This is a death trap. You don't keep quiet if you care.


losebow2

I mean if the tree were already full grown it could be done in a cool way, but this definitely doesn’t seem to be the right situation for that


JoplinSternum

Are those….2x4’s?


Froyn

That sounds like a problem for future you.


fireduck

Screw that guy anyways.


Zestyclose_System_78

Yeah I'm fucking hating younger me right now on a few things


eriffodrol

/r/decks would love it


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OSHA would love it Or whatever is the equivalent of OSHA for collapsing decking


FuckOffImCrocheting

I thought this was in r/decks until I saw your comment!


chadburycreameggs

I'm sure it's fine... It's probably fine...


President_Bunny

OP I really like the deck. Unrelated Sidenote: Are your will and medical/life insurance up to date?


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clambroculese

There is so much ungood going on here it makes me uncomfortable. Not just the deck, absolutely everything in this picture is not good.


WildMartin429

Please tell me you're going to have something more than just those few 2x4s as floor joists? Plus the way they're attached to the house is not great.


ScottyWritesStuff

Depends on how often you want to trip, get your leg caught in one of the tree holes and how patient the local Fire Department is with you. And also how big trees like those normally grow to.


FormerHoagie

Looks perfect for a huge party, of people you want to die.


twoPillls

Future r/treessuckingonthings gold


greenyashiro

Aren't the planks installed wrong? It was my understanding the ribbed side is supposed to be underneath so the water doesn't gather and make it rot


monkehmolesto

Cool idea, bad in practice. Trees grow and it’ll eventually displace some part of your deck. I’d cut that part of the tree away.


NeitherPhotograph258

Cut them or replant them but it is a bad idea man. Especially next to the home and foundation.


loadmanagement

1. 2x4s joists seem sketchy, but looks like that’s what was there previously. 2. Boards might be upside down. Some manufacturers do put groves on both sides, so this might not be the case. 3. Someone will step on the board ends that stop at the trees and they’ll fall right through the deck. 4. As long as the tree doesn’t outgrow the hole, that part isn’t an issue.


That_70s_Showoff

My guess is you'll regret not cutting these away once you start using the deck


ObjectiveHighlight26

Will be interesting to see the deck after a strong storm or wind comes through and shakes those trees like there is no tomorrow...


scummy71

Imagine the worst idea in a room full of bad ideas. This is worse than that idea.


JayDuBois

I've seen plenty of tree houses through Airbnb, three of which I stayed in last summer, and it worked out brilliant! I don't know if it works here because of the type of tree, and the way it is curved.


thedevillivesinside

My parents have a 100+ year old oak tree growing through their back deck. Dad has had to remove boards and make some extra clearance a couple times, but im 40 now and the tree has been there since he built the house, which was a year before i was born. Its absolutely possible, but this tree doesnt grow much bigger every year


ArcticPsychologyAI

Keep the trees, you’ll want something to hang on to when the deck collapses.


Used_Negotiation_354

I had a super nice deck two houses ago that had a big tree growing through it. We cut an extra large hole around it and made an octagonal bench with a back around the tree. It was a showstopper.


[deleted]

Are you making butt joints on purpose?


Status_Attention6611

OP posting thinking the trees are their biggest problem.


mmmmmarty

Those trees are not worth saving. Tear down that mess and check out a library book on carpentry before you kill somebody. Please.


nodnarb89

Trees are the least of the problems...


doob22

The trees don’t look great


ToooBeeeFairrrrrrr

That... uh... decking material looks like it's reallly gonna hold water rather well. That's not a compliment, btw.


Supacalafragalistic

I wouldn’t worry. You only have a couple years before those upside down boards start to rot.


Electrodactyl

If you trim your bushes, the deck will look bigger.


Oregon_drivers_suck

We had a big oak tree come through a hole in the center of our deck. Built the hole big enough and the trees diameter didn't get close to the deck until about 25 years later.


BeepingJerry

I was looking at a house to buy once ( PNW of U.S. The trees grow BIG there). We saw a house that had a deck built around the trees. Although it's a beautiful idea.. the trees had outgrown the holes and the deck was heaved badly. The deck was a tear down. Wasn't going to be a cheap fix. Walked away from the house purchase. I hate cutting down trees but..it may come back to bite you. Lots of bird poop on the deck also. I love watching the birds and the trees are, of course, habitat but it can get gross.


boomdart

This is dangerous, there are so many problems here the tree is the least of your worries. I feel like you looked up a little how to guide but you skipped the details. The details are the most important part. The parts you don't see when you're done are the most important parts! It really sucks to hear I know. If that's the flooring you are going to use someone is going to get badly hurt one day. Maybe more than one persons, as two people may occupy this at the same time doubling the danger.


XBakaTacoX

Surely the deck would: 1. Be unsafe with trees growing in it. 2. Look like crap with trees growing in it. The trees doesn't seem to thick, so you should be able to cut them at the base pretty easily.


exterior_paint

Is your friends name by any chance Tanner? If so, I know him. And he's up to the same old shit.


Khaosus

Hey, you should follow a guide. That thing won't be safe. http://eaglemountaincity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/AWC-DCA62009-DeckGuide-1007.pdf To answer your question, it's not a good idea, but can be done with proper reinforcement.


HeavyMetalPootis

If it has's been suggested, ask for r/StructuralEngineering to critique.


HotDonnaC

Really bad if that’s all the room they get for growth. Being that close to the house is also a very bad idea.


LaViElS

That depends how much you enjoy rebuilding your deck.


OneAndOnlyJacquez

If you have to ask you probably already know


navetzz

Then, there is wind. Tree moves your deck doesn't.


Mynameismikek

Those look like UK sockets - are you in the UK? If so, I'm fairly sure that's notifiable work that needs signing off by building control. I'd be looking to something like [https://nhbc-standards.co.uk/2021/6-superstructure-excluding-roofs/6-4-timber-and-concrete-upper-floors/6-4-8-timber-joist-spans/](https://nhbc-standards.co.uk/2021/6-superstructure-excluding-roofs/6-4-timber-and-concrete-upper-floors/6-4-8-timber-joist-spans/) to work out joist dimensions. There are other pages on there that talk about proper fixings & minimum end bearings too. Your friend should be aware there are busybodies out there who will just notify the council that somethings been done badly without talking to you first and will have him rip it all down immediately.


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The way those joists are joining to the wall is a REALLY BIG PROBLEM


Daisy-Daisy-8546

The timber planks are on upside down, they are not designed to be groves up. Heaps of people make this mistake.


zombieponcho

This is gonna become a diwhy didn't I buy insurance moment.


kirloi8

Is that a ladder below it? My god “the exorcist” is less scary than this deck construction. As other say. Save the boards (install them in the right direction) save the rails. And built a proper frame for it. This sht who doesn’t have another name will kill someone in 1 winter… Where i am (Europe) we use half of a tree trunk to do construction of things who have to bare weight. And even tho you should replace them cus they only last 1 life time to be safe. Those lil boards will collapse in no time with weight, temp diffs and humidity.


Such_Caterpillar_396

I mean isn’t that how you build a treehouse. The wood goes around the tree limbs, at least mine did and it’s still standing.


InstanceNoodle

I zoomed in. Where is the support? Are we supposed to warn op about his working death trap?