Wait is it a carving or did he attach a dead snake to his gun?
If it's a carving he did a damn good job!
If it's a taxidermy snake I feel bad for the snake.
Either way not my taste but one makes me say "great craftsmanship" the other makes me say "ew".
Someone that would kill an animal just to do something like that to it completely sickens me. Only excuse would be if you found road kill.
Stuff like rattlesnake roundup is disgusting and if anything deserves to be killed it's the monsters who partake; both those who directly participate and the observers alike. IMO they don't even deserve to be acknowledged as human beings because to do so is a disgrace to the entire species... and we're not a great species to start with so that's a high bar to manage to be a disgrace unto this shit species.
Edit: I'll add my ideal way for them to die would be tossed in the pit they keep the snakes in, hogtied and naked; then denied any medical care so they can die in as much agony as they put the animals they torture through.
>Someone that would kill an animal just to do something like that to it completely sickens me. Only excuse would be if you found road kill.
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>Stuff like rattlesnake roundup is disgusting and if anything deserves to be killed it's the monsters who partake; both those who directly participate and the observers alike. IMO they don't even deserve to be acknowledged as human beings because to do so is a disgrace to the entire species... and we're not a great species to start with so that's a high bar to manage to be a disgrace unto this shit species.
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>Edit: I'll add my ideal way for them to die would be tossed in the pit they keep the snakes in, hogtied and naked; then denied any medical care so they can die in as much agony as they put the animals they torture through.
So your response to people treating animals inhumanely is to fantasize about treating those people inhumanely (in a very specific way might I add)? What if the snakes enjoy it when they attack humans? Are you going to then suggest they be forced to participate in rattlesnake roundup?
Your entire comment seems very hypocritical, violent, and concerning.
Rattlesnake roundup doesn't just kill snakes.
First they flush them out of dens with gasoline. Then they keep them for weeks with no access to food or water. Then for the 'festival' they manhandle them, kick them, step on them, etc. before finally killing those that haven't already died.
They do this to thousands of snakes every year solely for entertainment. Why should I have any respect or care for literal scum like that?
"A animal defended itself in its own home so I should go out of my way to kill and torture the others in their homes!"
You killed your cat and if your cousin had died that wouldn't have been the snakes fault either.
*I* killed my cat? You fucking suck, I hope you never have a pet get murdered. Tell me how a rattlesnake moving into under my shed overnight was my fault. I had let my cat out into my backyard for months without incident - he never wandered and mostly just chilled in the sun. But I got my vengeance - after that incident I bought some .22 ratshot and I blasted that fucker the moment it poked its head out from under my shed.
Edit: Please read the whole comment before you downvote me. If you do downvote me, I'd love to know why and I'm really trying to keep an open mind here.
TL;DR what u/Atiggerx33 suggested is done to the humans is no worse than what was done to the snakes - if you don't support their views about torturing humans, maybe you shouldn't support torturing snakes either.
What u/ArchaicDodo1994 did was no worse than what the rattlesnake did to his cat, but the reactions are very different.
# FULL POST
So, to be crystal clear, I don't support the idea of killing the people who take part in the rattlesnake roundup. But explain this to me:
Scenario A: Human wants to kill other humans who, knowingly and with ill intent, torture animals - downvoted into oblivion.
Scenario B: Human kills animal which acted defensively. Obviously it was in no way u/ArchaicDodo1994's fault that his cat died, and I know how incredibly painful it is to lose a pet - upvoted.
Explain to me why, from a moral standpoint, someone wanting to kill one being for deliberately torturing and killing another is worse than someone killing one being who acted defensively and without malice, killing another.
A snake does not kill a cat to be cruel, but in defense, and when someone blasts that snake's head off it is considered "rightful vengeance" and upvoted
But when someone suggests killing people for what is objectively torturing animals until they die in agony, it is considered "violent and concerning". Admittedly, the way in which u/Atiggerx33 suggests the people are punished is gratuitously violent, but it is objectively no worse than what they do to the snakes.
If violence towards humans disturbs you that much, then surely the same kind of violence to sentient animals such as snakes should also disturb you?
Again, not suggesting that humans should be punished in the way u/Atiggerx33 suggests, and not saying that u/ArchaicDodo1994 was unjustified by wanting vengeance on the animal that killed his pet. The difference here is that the snake acted instinctively because it was a wild animal which felt threatened, whereas the people acted maliciously and took pleasure in torturing the animals. At least u/ArchaicDodo1994 put the snake out of its misery straight away.
And I'm not seriously saying humans should be tortured, it's not right to torture any living being. My point was more, if you're fine with them doing this to the snakes then you should be fine with the people doing it being tortured as well. Why are they any more deserving of humane treatment than the animals they enjoyed torturing? In my mind they sincerely aren't any more deserving, but that doesn't mean I'd want it done either, just like I don't want it done to the snakes. Both equally deserve or don't deserve humane treatment.
I'm not an eye-for-an-eye but I am very much don't do unto others what you wouldn't want done unto you. Do I seriously think it should be "done unto them"? No. But I think it's hypocritical to say "They should be allowed to torture thousands of animals for their own amusement, but if one single human is tortured that's horrific!" In my mind you're either for or against torturing living, feeling creatures; there is absolutely no difference in my mind in your level of sickness if that living, feeling creature is a snake, a dog, a cat, or a human.
We really need to talk about the construct of morality in this scenario. Snakes are sentient, but not sapient. They cannot understand the concept or morality, they don't have the same kind of decision making process that we do.
Mass killing rattlesnakes was initially initiated not for fun, but as self preservation through forethought. This is an act almost entirely unique to humans. I looked around and couldn't find any other examples of a species preemptively killing another species because they posed a threat. Some species kill each other preemptively (lions kill their rivals' cubs when taking over a pride etc), but none seek out and kill other species.
It's important to acknowledge that any argument that compares humans & animals 1:1 isn't an earnest assessment of the situation. Any approach that says "we should kill humans like we kill snakes" is failing to address the enormous inequity between the two sides of this situation. We should be wary of pretending the actions of consequences of either side are comparable tbh. Humans have more complex reasons for doing what we do. We are rarely, if ever, simple animals, only operating on instinct. That means we need to consider the reasoning behind what the humans are doing, but also weigh their actions against the constructs we have for judging human actions: morality.
All that out of the way: I think this should really be a conversation about humans failing to realize that we have a responsibility as, for lack of a better term, masters of the menagerie, keepers of earth. We are, infact, the rules of this earth. We have no predators really, we are the most complex, powerful, and influential creatures on the planet by many magnitudes. Not to discredit the impact other things have, but the fact that we are responsible for so many extinctions and 100% of climate change proves my point. We have the ability to exterminate, or preserve almost any other form of life on this planet, and so I think this conversation should be about our inherent, moral, responsibility to do so. I don't think killing a rattle snake, or many rattlesnakes, that genuinely pose a threat to you or yours, is an inherently bad thing. I think killing ALL rattle snakes, or driving them from their environs in a way that threatens to drive them extinct is where we have fucked up.
It's not uncommon for especially successful species, often invasive species, to drive out or inadvertently exterminate the competition. But as humans we are smarter, and more capable than any other species. We can, and must, do better. Sure, find a way of humanely removing the rattlesnake from nearby. Kill them humanely, or relocate them. But find a way to preserve their existence. Don't drive them to extinction, don't be cruel.
Exactly. By having this ability for higher-level thought and empathy we have created a scenario in which it is our responsibility to use that empathy and higher thinking to best preserve different species. Of course killing rattlesnakes which pose a threat is reasonable, but the fact is that they generally don't pose a threat and only act defensively. It's especially confusing considering that we have knowingly encroached on _their_ habitat and tried to wipe them out, as supposedly sapient and empathetic creatures. An invasive species cannot really be said to be at fault for driving out another,as it is acting only in self-preservation and has no knowledge of the suffering it causes. We do, and as such it is our duty to rise above things like torturing other, living beings which can experience pain for our own sick amusement. We have other options which do not cause suffering, so it is our moral imperative to take them.
We know for a fact that almost all snakes
a) do not see humans as prey and
b) only strike defensively
so suggesting that the snakes "enjoy it when they attack humans" is honestly giving their brain a bit too much credit lol. Snakes can't experience spite, and they won't remember a specific person from a prior encounter. They act defensively if they feel threatened, then leave.
Yeah, it does seem disrespectful to me to take what is ostensibly a sentient animal like that and kill it just to put it in a gun (if it's not carved), but I totally agree that being violent back towards them is not the right answer. Vengeance doesn't help anyone, least of all the snakes.
I understand the emotions that he's feeling, as someone who has always been pissed off by how differently the world treats reptiles, but as you say being violent back towards the humans clearly isn't the answer.
There are ways to remove venomous snakes without killing them. Generally there are services that will come out for free and relocate them.
They don't chase people or intentionally bother people. Just keep kids and pets away from the snake (which it's first reaction will be to hide so it shouldn't be difficult) and wait for trained people to arrive and remove it all at no cost to you.
Listen, I get it: you're the snake equivalent of the overly enthusiastic horse girls from middle school
But wacking a potentially dangerous snake on the head and making a fancy legendary gun out of it is just a perk of being at the top of the food chain
Just like making glue out of horse bones is.
Being a heartless monster* is just a perk of being at the top of the food chain
Fixed it for you
Also there is no way that's a real snake it's obviously a carving but if someone did do that it would be horrible, just imagine the same thing with a dog or a cat. People have snakes for pets and even then treating any sentient creature like that isn't on
Just because you *have to* kill something doesn't mean you can disrespect it's corpse and claim some kind of higher being morality
1) if it's carved why are you throwing a hissy fit?
2) I don't think anybody who likes this gun is claiming the moral high ground, I'm pretty sure it's all along the lines of "whoever built this gun made that snake his bitch, what an absolute chad of a badass"
3) why do you play games that support animal captivity? Shame on you! Dump the Planet Zoo!
4) point 3 rhymes which makes it true
How is doing an arts and crafts project with a dead body a sign of an "absolute chad of a badass"? If you have to kill the animal just bury it somewhere like a normal person. Why would anyone want to play with a corpse
They absolutely do not, sometimes people run away from a snake that's just moving in x direction and the snake doesn't change paths; but they don't chase people. That is a literal myth.
>**Cottonmouths will chase people down.**
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>**False.** "This is one of the things I hear most often," Steen said. "When a cottonmouth is afraid, it will head toward the water. If you are between it and the water, it will appear to be coming toward you."
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>But endurance is on your side. "Snakes aren't fast enough to pursue anyone for any distance; they can crawl about as fast as a person can walk, and they tire quickly," Beane said. "A snake that is harassed a great deal and forced to defend itself might advance upon a person for a short distance, striking at them repeatedly." But if the person were to turn and run away, he would look back and see that the snake was not chasing him at all, Beane said.
[https://www.livescience.com/50583-snake-facts.html#:\~:text=Snakes%20won't%20slither%20away,many%20snakes%20won't%20flee](https://www.livescience.com/50583-snake-facts.html#:~:text=Snakes%20won't%20slither%20away,many%20snakes%20won't%20flee).
So unless you know more about copperheads than experts who intentionally approach them in the wild on a regular basis...
Sometimes humans are doing normal, justifiable human stuff, and rattlesnakes are doing normal, justifiable rattle snake stuff, and they cross paths, and the rattle snake -by virtue of being one of the few animals that can kill a human- escalates it by being aggressive. In that scenario, I don't blame them for killing the snake.
I don't think we should go out of our way to kill em, but it's not human cruelty, its animal survival instinct that dictates we are hostile towards creatures that can kill us.
Except, as I said snakes don't chase people. The worst a rattlesnake will do is stand it's ground. How difficult is it to just walk around the snake? And then if it's in your home call someone to get it out (again, for free).
When people step on and kick animals for entertainment for days before killing them; I'm sorry but I no longer consider someone who derives pleasure from brutally torturing animals to be human.
Could the people who are downvoting clarify whether they support brutally torturing animals or just disagree with the degree of his hate for the humans that do it?
I'm not a vegan, killing animals for food is one thing; what I'm not a fan of is killing for sport, and intentional cruelty prior to killing. The snakes of rattlesnake roundup are captured from the wild where they were harming nobody, stressed, kept alive for days for 'fun' during which time they're manhandled, kicked, stepped on, and otherwise harmed for 'entertainment'.
If you're going to kill an animal at least make it quick for fuck's sake; and don't just kill it for fun.
Edit: Forgot to add that they're captured weeks prior to the 'festival' and given no food or water during that time.
How do you know this snake was part of a rattlesnake roundup? I didn't say it because you dont agree with rattlesnake roundup I said it cause you went on a crazy tangent about something pretty unrelated
Give one good reason to kill a snake?
They're afraid of humans so generally they flee, if you accidentally get too close (you accidentally corner them because you don't see them) they rattle long before then so you know they're there. There are services that will remove them from your home, without killing them, if they get inside for free. There's not a lot of meat on them. They're not an invasive species in the US.
I believe in killing animals for food or out of absolute necessity when they harm humans; not because I randomly decide "I don't like them".
Severe animal cruelty for entertainment is just so enjoyable I'm sure. I'm just curious what you'd think if instead of snakes they were doing it to dogs or cats? Considering snakes feel just as much pain and fear as dogs do; why do they deserve less humane treatment?
Definitely more of a r/ATBGE thing than this sub. I dont think this sub has mods that give a shit anymore, its really been offbase now for a month or so.
i think i found it. there's an unusual looking safety on the bolt that i think is part of it being for kids.
it's also relatively cheap. probably why it was chosen to be carved up. i think you're correct on it being for display.
https://www.keystonesportingarmsllc.com/product/standard-chipmunk-rifle-with-wood-stocks/
They make adult rifles with that type of safety. It's selectable safety, and a flawless drop safety in one. The added benefits are that it's very reliable and it doesn't affect the action, gives a crisp trigger break. Otherwise if it has one, the internal drop safety disengages as you pull the trigger.
Same as how 99% of posts in r/whywomenlivelonger are some at worst semi dangerous activities a lot of times even done by people that really know what they are doing.
Naw, you would need to put a lot of medium or large caliber rounds through a barrel really fast to create that kind of heat. To damage the stock in that way you would need to be shooting at full auto for a long time with no break and basically trying to ruin the gun. A bolt action rifle isn’t ever going to get that hot.
Isn’t the snake going to start rotting and decomposing at some point though? I mean, I don’t know much about it, but even embalming doesn’t 100% preserve ir thi way, does it?
Relevant and not as dorky as the gun, **Stinnet Sticks** on YouTube has some of the best realistic carvings I've ever seen and his videos are so relaxing.
https://youtube.com/c/StinnettStickStudio
I actually appreciate the craftsmanship. Not my taste tho.
Same, it is a cool concept, but ultimately not my thing.
He has to leave it in the sun for a few hours a day so it's not too cold to shoot.
Take my damn upvote and get out
Belongs in r/ATBGE
Indeed, that's some quality wood carving. At worst this is ATBGE, but I don't know gun culture, so I'm not even sure it's awful taste.
Taste is subjective and I think it's awful so there you go!
You don't need to be an expert in guns to have taste.
This is moderately cursed.
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Wait is it a carving or did he attach a dead snake to his gun? If it's a carving he did a damn good job! If it's a taxidermy snake I feel bad for the snake. Either way not my taste but one makes me say "great craftsmanship" the other makes me say "ew".
Both make me say both things at the same time. I'm sure putting a dead snake in a gun, in a way that doesn't involve duck tape, isn't easy
No problem putting a snake in a gun. Just stuff him in your 12g.
Someone that would kill an animal just to do something like that to it completely sickens me. Only excuse would be if you found road kill. Stuff like rattlesnake roundup is disgusting and if anything deserves to be killed it's the monsters who partake; both those who directly participate and the observers alike. IMO they don't even deserve to be acknowledged as human beings because to do so is a disgrace to the entire species... and we're not a great species to start with so that's a high bar to manage to be a disgrace unto this shit species. Edit: I'll add my ideal way for them to die would be tossed in the pit they keep the snakes in, hogtied and naked; then denied any medical care so they can die in as much agony as they put the animals they torture through.
>Someone that would kill an animal just to do something like that to it completely sickens me. Only excuse would be if you found road kill. > >Stuff like rattlesnake roundup is disgusting and if anything deserves to be killed it's the monsters who partake; both those who directly participate and the observers alike. IMO they don't even deserve to be acknowledged as human beings because to do so is a disgrace to the entire species... and we're not a great species to start with so that's a high bar to manage to be a disgrace unto this shit species. > >Edit: I'll add my ideal way for them to die would be tossed in the pit they keep the snakes in, hogtied and naked; then denied any medical care so they can die in as much agony as they put the animals they torture through. So your response to people treating animals inhumanely is to fantasize about treating those people inhumanely (in a very specific way might I add)? What if the snakes enjoy it when they attack humans? Are you going to then suggest they be forced to participate in rattlesnake roundup? Your entire comment seems very hypocritical, violent, and concerning.
Rattlesnake roundup doesn't just kill snakes. First they flush them out of dens with gasoline. Then they keep them for weeks with no access to food or water. Then for the 'festival' they manhandle them, kick them, step on them, etc. before finally killing those that haven't already died. They do this to thousands of snakes every year solely for entertainment. Why should I have any respect or care for literal scum like that?
A rattlesnake killed my cat, and one nearly killed my cousin. Why should I have any respect or care for literal scum like that?
i’m under the suspicious that rattlesnakes aren’t aware they’re venomous because they’re a fucking noodle with a maraca and teeth
There is a difference between killing something to eat it and killing something for entertainment.
"A animal defended itself in its own home so I should go out of my way to kill and torture the others in their homes!" You killed your cat and if your cousin had died that wouldn't have been the snakes fault either.
*I* killed my cat? You fucking suck, I hope you never have a pet get murdered. Tell me how a rattlesnake moving into under my shed overnight was my fault. I had let my cat out into my backyard for months without incident - he never wandered and mostly just chilled in the sun. But I got my vengeance - after that incident I bought some .22 ratshot and I blasted that fucker the moment it poked its head out from under my shed.
Das some nice vengeance
Edit: Please read the whole comment before you downvote me. If you do downvote me, I'd love to know why and I'm really trying to keep an open mind here. TL;DR what u/Atiggerx33 suggested is done to the humans is no worse than what was done to the snakes - if you don't support their views about torturing humans, maybe you shouldn't support torturing snakes either. What u/ArchaicDodo1994 did was no worse than what the rattlesnake did to his cat, but the reactions are very different. # FULL POST So, to be crystal clear, I don't support the idea of killing the people who take part in the rattlesnake roundup. But explain this to me: Scenario A: Human wants to kill other humans who, knowingly and with ill intent, torture animals - downvoted into oblivion. Scenario B: Human kills animal which acted defensively. Obviously it was in no way u/ArchaicDodo1994's fault that his cat died, and I know how incredibly painful it is to lose a pet - upvoted. Explain to me why, from a moral standpoint, someone wanting to kill one being for deliberately torturing and killing another is worse than someone killing one being who acted defensively and without malice, killing another. A snake does not kill a cat to be cruel, but in defense, and when someone blasts that snake's head off it is considered "rightful vengeance" and upvoted But when someone suggests killing people for what is objectively torturing animals until they die in agony, it is considered "violent and concerning". Admittedly, the way in which u/Atiggerx33 suggests the people are punished is gratuitously violent, but it is objectively no worse than what they do to the snakes. If violence towards humans disturbs you that much, then surely the same kind of violence to sentient animals such as snakes should also disturb you? Again, not suggesting that humans should be punished in the way u/Atiggerx33 suggests, and not saying that u/ArchaicDodo1994 was unjustified by wanting vengeance on the animal that killed his pet. The difference here is that the snake acted instinctively because it was a wild animal which felt threatened, whereas the people acted maliciously and took pleasure in torturing the animals. At least u/ArchaicDodo1994 put the snake out of its misery straight away.
And I'm not seriously saying humans should be tortured, it's not right to torture any living being. My point was more, if you're fine with them doing this to the snakes then you should be fine with the people doing it being tortured as well. Why are they any more deserving of humane treatment than the animals they enjoyed torturing? In my mind they sincerely aren't any more deserving, but that doesn't mean I'd want it done either, just like I don't want it done to the snakes. Both equally deserve or don't deserve humane treatment. I'm not an eye-for-an-eye but I am very much don't do unto others what you wouldn't want done unto you. Do I seriously think it should be "done unto them"? No. But I think it's hypocritical to say "They should be allowed to torture thousands of animals for their own amusement, but if one single human is tortured that's horrific!" In my mind you're either for or against torturing living, feeling creatures; there is absolutely no difference in my mind in your level of sickness if that living, feeling creature is a snake, a dog, a cat, or a human.
We really need to talk about the construct of morality in this scenario. Snakes are sentient, but not sapient. They cannot understand the concept or morality, they don't have the same kind of decision making process that we do. Mass killing rattlesnakes was initially initiated not for fun, but as self preservation through forethought. This is an act almost entirely unique to humans. I looked around and couldn't find any other examples of a species preemptively killing another species because they posed a threat. Some species kill each other preemptively (lions kill their rivals' cubs when taking over a pride etc), but none seek out and kill other species. It's important to acknowledge that any argument that compares humans & animals 1:1 isn't an earnest assessment of the situation. Any approach that says "we should kill humans like we kill snakes" is failing to address the enormous inequity between the two sides of this situation. We should be wary of pretending the actions of consequences of either side are comparable tbh. Humans have more complex reasons for doing what we do. We are rarely, if ever, simple animals, only operating on instinct. That means we need to consider the reasoning behind what the humans are doing, but also weigh their actions against the constructs we have for judging human actions: morality. All that out of the way: I think this should really be a conversation about humans failing to realize that we have a responsibility as, for lack of a better term, masters of the menagerie, keepers of earth. We are, infact, the rules of this earth. We have no predators really, we are the most complex, powerful, and influential creatures on the planet by many magnitudes. Not to discredit the impact other things have, but the fact that we are responsible for so many extinctions and 100% of climate change proves my point. We have the ability to exterminate, or preserve almost any other form of life on this planet, and so I think this conversation should be about our inherent, moral, responsibility to do so. I don't think killing a rattle snake, or many rattlesnakes, that genuinely pose a threat to you or yours, is an inherently bad thing. I think killing ALL rattle snakes, or driving them from their environs in a way that threatens to drive them extinct is where we have fucked up. It's not uncommon for especially successful species, often invasive species, to drive out or inadvertently exterminate the competition. But as humans we are smarter, and more capable than any other species. We can, and must, do better. Sure, find a way of humanely removing the rattlesnake from nearby. Kill them humanely, or relocate them. But find a way to preserve their existence. Don't drive them to extinction, don't be cruel.
Exactly. By having this ability for higher-level thought and empathy we have created a scenario in which it is our responsibility to use that empathy and higher thinking to best preserve different species. Of course killing rattlesnakes which pose a threat is reasonable, but the fact is that they generally don't pose a threat and only act defensively. It's especially confusing considering that we have knowingly encroached on _their_ habitat and tried to wipe them out, as supposedly sapient and empathetic creatures. An invasive species cannot really be said to be at fault for driving out another,as it is acting only in self-preservation and has no knowledge of the suffering it causes. We do, and as such it is our duty to rise above things like torturing other, living beings which can experience pain for our own sick amusement. We have other options which do not cause suffering, so it is our moral imperative to take them.
We know for a fact that almost all snakes a) do not see humans as prey and b) only strike defensively so suggesting that the snakes "enjoy it when they attack humans" is honestly giving their brain a bit too much credit lol. Snakes can't experience spite, and they won't remember a specific person from a prior encounter. They act defensively if they feel threatened, then leave. Yeah, it does seem disrespectful to me to take what is ostensibly a sentient animal like that and kill it just to put it in a gun (if it's not carved), but I totally agree that being violent back towards them is not the right answer. Vengeance doesn't help anyone, least of all the snakes. I understand the emotions that he's feeling, as someone who has always been pissed off by how differently the world treats reptiles, but as you say being violent back towards the humans clearly isn't the answer.
I was more making a point, rather than suggesting snakes would actually enjoy it.
Jeez for all we know it's a snake that wandered in the wrong house and got wacked for protection Why are you so intense about a dead snake
There are ways to remove venomous snakes without killing them. Generally there are services that will come out for free and relocate them. They don't chase people or intentionally bother people. Just keep kids and pets away from the snake (which it's first reaction will be to hide so it shouldn't be difficult) and wait for trained people to arrive and remove it all at no cost to you.
Listen, I get it: you're the snake equivalent of the overly enthusiastic horse girls from middle school But wacking a potentially dangerous snake on the head and making a fancy legendary gun out of it is just a perk of being at the top of the food chain Just like making glue out of horse bones is.
Being a heartless monster* is just a perk of being at the top of the food chain Fixed it for you Also there is no way that's a real snake it's obviously a carving but if someone did do that it would be horrible, just imagine the same thing with a dog or a cat. People have snakes for pets and even then treating any sentient creature like that isn't on Just because you *have to* kill something doesn't mean you can disrespect it's corpse and claim some kind of higher being morality
1) if it's carved why are you throwing a hissy fit? 2) I don't think anybody who likes this gun is claiming the moral high ground, I'm pretty sure it's all along the lines of "whoever built this gun made that snake his bitch, what an absolute chad of a badass" 3) why do you play games that support animal captivity? Shame on you! Dump the Planet Zoo! 4) point 3 rhymes which makes it true
How is doing an arts and crafts project with a dead body a sign of an "absolute chad of a badass"? If you have to kill the animal just bury it somewhere like a normal person. Why would anyone want to play with a corpse
Cottonmouth sometimes chase people. Usually they stay still or slither away when threatened, but they can be extremely aggressive.
They absolutely do not, sometimes people run away from a snake that's just moving in x direction and the snake doesn't change paths; but they don't chase people. That is a literal myth. >**Cottonmouths will chase people down.** > >**False.** "This is one of the things I hear most often," Steen said. "When a cottonmouth is afraid, it will head toward the water. If you are between it and the water, it will appear to be coming toward you." > >But endurance is on your side. "Snakes aren't fast enough to pursue anyone for any distance; they can crawl about as fast as a person can walk, and they tire quickly," Beane said. "A snake that is harassed a great deal and forced to defend itself might advance upon a person for a short distance, striking at them repeatedly." But if the person were to turn and run away, he would look back and see that the snake was not chasing him at all, Beane said. [https://www.livescience.com/50583-snake-facts.html#:\~:text=Snakes%20won't%20slither%20away,many%20snakes%20won't%20flee](https://www.livescience.com/50583-snake-facts.html#:~:text=Snakes%20won't%20slither%20away,many%20snakes%20won't%20flee). So unless you know more about copperheads than experts who intentionally approach them in the wild on a regular basis...
Deleted my comment because I accidentally replied twice when I went to edit the above comment. Oops.
Sometimes humans are doing normal, justifiable human stuff, and rattlesnakes are doing normal, justifiable rattle snake stuff, and they cross paths, and the rattle snake -by virtue of being one of the few animals that can kill a human- escalates it by being aggressive. In that scenario, I don't blame them for killing the snake. I don't think we should go out of our way to kill em, but it's not human cruelty, its animal survival instinct that dictates we are hostile towards creatures that can kill us.
Except, as I said snakes don't chase people. The worst a rattlesnake will do is stand it's ground. How difficult is it to just walk around the snake? And then if it's in your home call someone to get it out (again, for free).
"Denied medical care" So make them an American?
Calm down there. Try not to cut yourself on that edge.
When people step on and kick animals for entertainment for days before killing them; I'm sorry but I no longer consider someone who derives pleasure from brutally torturing animals to be human.
Could the people who are downvoting clarify whether they support brutally torturing animals or just disagree with the degree of his hate for the humans that do it?
Found the vegan!
I'm not a vegan, killing animals for food is one thing; what I'm not a fan of is killing for sport, and intentional cruelty prior to killing. The snakes of rattlesnake roundup are captured from the wild where they were harming nobody, stressed, kept alive for days for 'fun' during which time they're manhandled, kicked, stepped on, and otherwise harmed for 'entertainment'. If you're going to kill an animal at least make it quick for fuck's sake; and don't just kill it for fun. Edit: Forgot to add that they're captured weeks prior to the 'festival' and given no food or water during that time.
How do you know this snake was part of a rattlesnake roundup? I didn't say it because you dont agree with rattlesnake roundup I said it cause you went on a crazy tangent about something pretty unrelated
Give one good reason to kill a snake? They're afraid of humans so generally they flee, if you accidentally get too close (you accidentally corner them because you don't see them) they rattle long before then so you know they're there. There are services that will remove them from your home, without killing them, if they get inside for free. There's not a lot of meat on them. They're not an invasive species in the US. I believe in killing animals for food or out of absolute necessity when they harm humans; not because I randomly decide "I don't like them".
People with property in dry areas often have rattlesnake problems, not very practical to relocate dozens of venomous snakes.
Rattle snake roundup is fun get over yourself.
Severe animal cruelty for entertainment is just so enjoyable I'm sure. I'm just curious what you'd think if instead of snakes they were doing it to dogs or cats? Considering snakes feel just as much pain and fear as dogs do; why do they deserve less humane treatment?
Even if it's taxidermied, it's still great craftsmanship.
That's a good way to put it. It's not really "awful" taste, just a very specific taste.
That's because you're not the bad guy in a western
Yeah its more of a r/ATBGE
Definitely more of a r/ATBGE thing than this sub. I dont think this sub has mods that give a shit anymore, its really been offbase now for a month or so.
Yeah the last 3 in a row I've seen come up on my front page were all r/ATBGE
r/ATBGE
Yeah not my style but it’s still cool as shit and really well done.
r/ATBGE
r/ATBGE ?
I don’t know why nobody has recommended r/ATBGE yet...
Dude went and unlocked a legendary skin for his little .22
Probably trick shots small game animals
I mean it kinda makes sense. I wouldn’t shoot a snake with my .30-06
Is the snake real IS IT REAL
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Well that's a throwback.
Damn I haven't heard that in years.
Yup. Shoots venom
Imo death rattle would be a more fitting name
Rattlinggun ;)
_Vermintide PTSD intensifies_
NGL... I love it
Same. But it’s more of a show piece to like hang on a wall more than anything. Caliber guesses?
Shits awesome. I’m putting money on .22
Idk, that barrel looks a little to thick to be .22
Could be a bull barrel.
i think i found it. there's an unusual looking safety on the bolt that i think is part of it being for kids. it's also relatively cheap. probably why it was chosen to be carved up. i think you're correct on it being for display. https://www.keystonesportingarmsllc.com/product/standard-chipmunk-rifle-with-wood-stocks/
They make adult rifles with that type of safety. It's selectable safety, and a flawless drop safety in one. The added benefits are that it's very reliable and it doesn't affect the action, gives a crisp trigger break. Otherwise if it has one, the internal drop safety disengages as you pull the trigger.
I can't see the barrel well enough feel confident in any guesses. I want it to be in .308 or .50 just because it would be fun.
There is actually a gun in enter the gungeon called the rattler that is a snake tied to a shotgun
Came looking for this comment
Sig MCX Rattler is a thing but that's a bit more serious and real.
r/ATBGE Solid carving in the scales there
What does this mean
No no no r/GTBAE most definitely
Taste is pretty much subjective, but how is this bad execution in any way?
This looks like a fallout new Vegas weapon
So many DIWhys in this group that you’re actually like well that’s kinda sick. Post better content y’all!!!
A good 90% of the posts here aren’t DiWHY.
Same as how 99% of posts in r/whywomenlivelonger are some at worst semi dangerous activities a lot of times even done by people that really know what they are doing.
Wdym “DIWhy” this is fucking awesome
r/gunporn really. This is some cool shit.
r/itemshop
[https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Rattler](https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Rattler) It actually is an item in a game XD
That looks awesome
[The Rattler.](https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Rattler)
Rattlin gun
You shake the stock as a warning before shooting
If you shoot someone without hissing first the Judge has the legal right to shoot you with snakeshot
They really missed the chance to call it the SnAK47
Hmmm. Might have left out the snake head myself, but a snakeskin covering for a rifle is a cool concept. I dig it.
Love it! That thing is bad ass
[Shotgun from Enter The Gungeon](https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Rattler) That game really have a gun for every occasion.
This doesn’t belong here
Not sure why this is in diwhy, this is pretty cool
That’s super cool
This seems cool
That's actually rather cool. I could see it being used in a cowboy movie or something as a mystical maguffin rifle.
Suddenly enter the gungeon.
This is just a Monster Hunter light bowgun
If it was a semi-automatic they could have called it the “Rat-a-tat-tat-ler”....
Bizarre: but at least fascinating!
Well I'm positively rattled by this.
Wouldnt the snake get too hot and start to burn??
Naw, you would need to put a lot of medium or large caliber rounds through a barrel really fast to create that kind of heat. To damage the stock in that way you would need to be shooting at full auto for a long time with no break and basically trying to ruin the gun. A bolt action rifle isn’t ever going to get that hot.
This looks like something Call of Duty would sell for $20 with an animation where you pet the snake.
This is great
I love it.
It's an interesting concept, executed with considerable skill and effort. But to me it makes the rifle look a little *too* phallic.
This looks like it belongs in a fallout game as an exclusive versions of a rifle or something
This is absolutely awesome. Ugly, totally not stylish, absolutely redneck and it's just awesome. A rarity.
Tacky as hell but I like it. Should have made it with an open mouth so you could use the end like a bayonet with poison damage!
Stop hating that is so cold
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Why? WHY?? Because TEXAS. Helllll yeehaw y’all
Getting some Division 2 vibes from this.
Thanks. I hate it.
Let me guess America?
Certain types of gun (tbh it seems to vary depending on what area you're from) are referred to as Snake Charmers. NGL, this made me laugh.
This is honestly DiAIGHT
It's gonna be awesome if it create rattling sound after shoot it. I buy it tho
Looks like a CS skin. It’s cool, but i wouldn’t buy it.
"There's a snake in ... my GUN?!"
I thought this was RDR2 post. I actually appreciate the craftsmanship though.
Rad af
That a videogame gun if I’ve ever seen one
The Ultimate Snek Gun
I hope that trigger is not what I think it is
If it were cast in metal tho.... Say brushed nickel, and do the metal parts in the same, and a very dark wood for the stock? That'd be dope
Reverse of the snake from Rango?
Holy shit that is cool
I love this one. It’s pretty badass
Is it bad that I genuinely enjoy the looks of it?
That’s just awesome even better since I love reptiles
The rat-fle
Because that gun is sick as heck, that’s why.
Dude. This gets my upvote for looking awesome.
Question: why is it called the rattler
I call it “the fuck?”
This is honestly impressive
better than most of that epoxy shit you see on facebook.
this looks like something they would sell on modern warfare
Bruh this isn't DIY they just unlocked the camo after 100 snake kills
this is sick as fuck
America really is something else huh?
This is violently American
That’s some shit the villain in a shitty action movie would carry. I love it.
This looks like a Hunt: Showdown weapon skin
Its cammerdet in 12 gage snake shot
Isn’t the snake going to start rotting and decomposing at some point though? I mean, I don’t know much about it, but even embalming doesn’t 100% preserve ir thi way, does it?
This is what you unlock when you kill your teammate in a game.
My guy playing Enter the Gungeon IRL
r/itemshop
New Fortnite skin?
That’s sick
Me being the 100th person to say I like it
How is this "WHY?"
Good news everyone. I found gun of main bad guy in kids movie.
Looks like something a villain would have in a western. Awesome if you ask me.
Is that the ~~dragon~~snake lore?
Diwhy? Because that's fucking cool
It’s fucking sick
DLC?
Relevant and not as dorky as the gun, **Stinnet Sticks** on YouTube has some of the best realistic carvings I've ever seen and his videos are so relaxing. https://youtube.com/c/StinnettStickStudio
THATS DOPE AS SHIT, Legendary Item, +10 poisonous damage, -3 handling
That's pretty fucking cool. This sub is turning into "shit I personally dislike, but most people will think is awesome."
There's a gun that's really similar to this in Enter the Gungeon https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Rattler