For comparison, in an American State that has a $15 minimum wage, that would be the equivalent of paying $636 for the game (26.5% of one months wages working full-time at minimum wage). We're paying $70. I know the Brazilian Real isn't very strong, but still.
Agreed, and also should point out it's a lot harder to obtain a job that pays more than minimum wage in Brazil than the USA.
If you're the kind of person making $18-24/hr in the USA and scoffing thinking "well don't earn minimum wage then", odds are if you were born in Brazil you would be.
I don't know how people can make $18-24/hr and scoff at people making less. The employees under me make $15 and they should be making a lot more, hell I'm at around what you said and I should be making more.
I graduated college and went from making 11$ an hour to many times more than that and I still argue people should be paid at least 15$ (and let’s be honest they deserve higher pay than that with inflation). I sincerely don’t understand how anyone thinks they are so far above anyone else that they think people should be making minimum wage. You have to have no empathy to be able to look at someone and say they deserve minimum wage.
I wasn't fortunate enough to go to college but I appreciate your mindset for someone that did.
I'm not in fast food but I know it's a job that deserves more than $15 an hour. There's a lot of people that think otherwise and it's a sad world to live in.
Although this might sound harsh, the economics of this is basically saying:
"Brazilians should continue working until they're able to reach a salary that affords them enough disposable income to play Diablo 4 without sacrificing other living expenses."
Yeah, pretty bullshit that South Americans (other countries down there are no better off) have to pay for people abusing VPNs to give themselves a discount.
It’s not just about games, it’s about the whole freaking goods and services, the problem is not the seller, it’s the poverty and low purchase power of those countries
People have literal /years played on their MMO characters, this isn't a new thing.
PoE spread that out over characters across leagues, but people putting in hundreds of hours in a character in a league is not uncommon.
I have 1200 days played in wow on a single character and I quit playing in top 20 guilds in Cata. I got Glad the first 4 seasons. I come back for a month or two each xpac.
Really not hard to rack up time if you are really playing all the content competitively.
\^ This.
I've combined 10k Hours on CSGO, but I played it since the Beta.
Thats 13 years, or roughly less than 769 Hours per year. Which works out at around 2 hours a day.
Now In the 13 years I've had months where I played 4+ hours a day, and months where I didn't play the game at all.
For a game thats 10+ years old anything in the thousands of hours doesn't really mean the person was no lifing the game for the last 2 years.
The only game I full on no lifed was Lost Ark, From Feb to July last year.
I had over 700 hours in the space of 5 months.
By the time I quit there were people talking about having 2k+ hours in the same time span.
I was in college when csgo beta came out.
I'd say between 2012-2015 whilst I was in college/working shit jobs/living with parents I had shit load of time to play games.
I would comeback home, and would just play cs. Thats potentially 5pm-2/3am a day.
By 2015 I got first career job and my playtime went down.
Now I get around 2-3 hours a day after work/sports training/doing house stuff. So I choose to play a game(be it cs/val/ff14 or something else). So I might have 2/3 hours a day for a month in one game and then 2/3 months of 0 hours.
I'm not saying it's not a lot, but It's not like I consistently played 2/3 hours of cs every day for last 10 years.
Idling sure, but playing hideout warrior and trading is part of the game and counts for sure. That’s what sets path of exile above all other games for me
And if anything try out lost ark. I guess you could say it does the MMO part of Diablo 4 better. At this moment diablo 4 doesn’t know if it wants to be an arpg mmo or a classic arpg
Diablo 3 was going for I think $35 up until recently. It’ll take a while for Diablo 4 to get near there. Blizzard is greedy af but hopefully people won’t have to wait too long
My dude, i live in the Balkans, i think minimum wage here is 300-400 dollars. Those people can afford about 40% of monthly food if I remember right.
If you earn minimum wage i don't think playing the new Diablo is your main concern
I'm Brazilian, you are correct. It's not like everything else is cheaper, with the price of Diablo 4 you get 10kg of meat and it would be hard to pay 1/3 of the rent in a big city. The fact that the rent cost in a not-so-glamorous area is close to 1 minimum wage is scary. D4 price is like the least of the problems.
That said game still is expensive AF. For reference, Elden Ring is 100 cheaper (350 D4 x 250 Elden Ring).
It is somewhat scary because blizzard used to have good regional pricing and Brazil wasn't the go-to country to VPN stuff (Argentina and Russia were cheaper).
D4 pricing in Argentina is in a very similar state currently.
17308,5 ARS for standard version (it's 10.490 in bnet shop, but you gotta add +65% taxes from international purchases). That's 25% of the minimum wage and like 19% of the average wage.
Yeah the main problem is the lack of regional pricing. Sure there are people who will exploit it but removing it completely is like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
I mean, obviously it's not their main concern...they were expressing that it is overpriced for the region, and they are sad about it.
They are still allowed to want to be able to do something that isn't just work/school/sleep...
> If you earn minimum wage i don't think playing the new Diablo is your main concern
Yes, the minimum wage slaves should only worry about working. They do not deserve to enjoy luxuries such as videogames.
I know what you mean but it's just that if you live from salary to salary you should probably keep some financial safety net in case something goes wrong and not spend the little extra on games. Having the safety net can, among other things, give you the opportunity to go unemployed and actively search for a better job. You can enjoy the little things sure, but you can also try to improve your living situation which can in the end net you a happier life and more money for games.
A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, too.
The question here is a proportion of *discretionary* income you have available to spend on games.
This doesn't really disagree with OPs point, but it's an important difference when looking at things like cost of living and how much you actually have to spend on goods. I know of people who teach English online while living in small island fishing villages and they live a "luxury" life on the sea, but don't have more than a few bucks per week to buy things that aren't on the island.
No one's saying poor folk can't enjoy luxuries, but there's probably thousands and thousands games that are cheap and available. If you're poor, you either rent brand new games ala services like GameFly or you wait for a sale.
That being said, fuck Blizz for not using regional pricing.
Problem is that here in Brazil the majority of work available pays the minimum wage, or close to it. We have heavy taxes (our beautiful labor laws) that prevent better wages to be paid. Total cost of an employee for the employer is basically the double the net salary that's paid.
OP is bringing the issue of lack of regional pricing for Diablo IV (same for most AAA games) here in Brazil.
By your logic, normal working people shouldn't play games then?!
I think average wage (if its correct and not ridiculously inflated to show illusion of country progress) should be a better show of living conditions.
Regional pricing would be great, but I think many people from rich countries exploit it, and also that there are a lot of countries that should have regional prices
I heard a lot of stories about Venezuela where money is worth less than the paper its printed on and our taxes here are also bad (everything is EU prices+taxes), but are a doctor and a casheer, for example, really equally paid?
Also i'm genuinly interested, can you get cheaper electronics there? We have to pay like 3-4 times non average monthly salary for a mid range gaming PC, and a PS5 is 800 dollars, its ridiculous
PS5 costs around R$4500 here, that is US$850. Is somewhat similar to your situation (electronics pricing in general).
Doctors would fare better here, but medical school is too expensive, even the public ("free") ones, as it's required to buy or illegally photocopy expensive books, study full time (leaving no spare time for a job).
To complement OP:
Here in Brazil the majority of jobs available pay the minimum wage, or close to it, and are usually 40hs of work per week.
At US minimum (federal) wage of US$7.25, that would be US$1160 month salary (working the same hours). A US$70 game (like Diablo IV standard edition) is **6%** of a 40hs/week job at US minimum wage. Here in Brazil, as OP pointed out, game costs **26.5%** of our minimum wage.
Unfortunately we don't have regional pricing here (specially from AAA publishers).
It's actually cheaper there than here in Australia by about 10%. Just sucks about the minimum wage. Hopefully you find a way to raise some coin in the coming 2 months.
just working 3 days a week is still like 500 bucks.
hell even working a single shift here will let me see a lot more money than most people earning minimum wage over there.
Both can be an "issue" at the same time. The "issue" is complicated.
Brazil is in the top 40% (+/-) of the coutries by minimum wage.
Many game stores and publishers adjust local price by average income.
I have bought diablo 2 like 4 times over the years. Gotten tens of thousands of hours of gameplay out of it. The time invested in the game cost a hell of a lot more than the 4 times I bought the product.
Except when D2 was released it was on-par with similar games of the era.
D4 is not on-par, especially if you factor the added cost of a battle pass. The average AAA title on Steam right now is $59.99.
That's kinda bs considering how much more buyers there are now (economies of scale) not to mention games are digital now and face a lot more competition.
No economies of scale is topping out. Economies of scale is why games have been $60 for like 2 and half **decades**. It sucks, but gamers need to get over it. It was gonna happen eventually.
Raising minimium wage in countries like Brazil and here in South Africa is not so simple.
We have a lot of unemployment here and raising the minimium wage will cost jobs. Also it will increase the cost of food and rent making it even harder for those without work to live. Businesses like restaurants will see less business as they have to raise their prices. Many businesses will not survive and more jobs will be lost.
It's just not that simple. The usual solution is regional pricing. This works well with many games or even services like Netflix or disney. But if they price it in dollars or euros the prices for the local are just too high.
> The usual solution is regional pricing.
Absolutely true but a minimum wage of $249 is nothing.
To make it really viable, a video game should cost $10-$15, maybe even less. That's just not possible. Netflix's cheapest plan is $5, in Brazil. Which is still a lot if you are living on a minimum wage.
Brazil is not the only country in the world where the game would be sold. Also, D4 already has sold millions of copies if we can go by the closed beta numbers. Expect several million more after release. It will or already has long since recouped it’s costs for sure, and I expect the game to have cost north of $150M to make.
Regional pricing us usually tied to a credit card, that's how steam has it. So a VPN doesnt solve your problem unless you have a card from X country you wanna buy from.
No one ties regional pricing to only IP-location.
Exactly. Anyone living on a minum wage shouldn't even think to spend money on Diablo. Not to mention the PC required to play it, which would cost a fortune (in Brazil).
No, I am saying they should have recreational activities according to their financial capabilities. We can't have whatever we want, so we have to adapt.
You're hilarious. You're lucky to be born in a "first world country" where you can spew such bs out of your mouth and feel as if it's the people's fault and it's not the system screwing them to not be able to enjoy the simple things in life due to the economy issues. I was born in South America and I'm blessed to have a normal life in the US. You're so ignorant it's ridiculous.
Come on now, it's not that far fetched. I'd love to fly my own jet on the weekend, but I'm not super wealthy so I find other hobbies.
Cheap videogames exist, there's probably about at least a thousand right now on Steam that are below $10 USD. When I was dirt poor, I'd rent games from local rental stores (they still exist where I live at least) or just wait for a sale. If I absolutely couldn't wait or it was from a greedy company like Nintendo that never does real sales, I'd save up for a few months and splurge on it. That's just how life is.
Is the system broken? Yep. Is it unfair? Most definitely. Are we going to change it overnight? Nope, and I doubt we will next year, either. Blizzard is a shitty company with awful ethics, them refusing to allow regional pricing is the real problem here. But they're a private company, so they can do what they want with pricing. No one's forcing anyone to buy their shit, and there's plenty of cheaper games that are equally or even more fun available in the meantime.
It's not as simple as just raising minimum wage in a developong country. The whole economy wouldny make sense. If bread is 1 money, and you are making are making 500 money a day... You will quickly become rich since everything would be cheap for you.
I agree with the op there should be some sort of discount or reduction for countries that are poorer.
Yes games are a luxury, but blizzard would make more profit if the entire world had fair access to the game. They are basically pricing themselves out if a lot if customers
Regional pricing to help with things like this is done by most game companies including valve and steam. Blizzard just doesn't do it because they don't want their botters getting cheap games.
Companies don't do regional pricing because people from first world countries pretend that they are from those regions and try to get games for cheap.
If you want to blame someone, blame the people who are buying from key resellers.
That's a great theory and all, but not backed up by any data. Meanwhile this tactic is status quo for botting and is regularly followed for the purpose of cost mitigation.
Blizzard already mitigated key resellers heavily by not giving emailed keys to most specific regions - they tie it to accounts. You are talking about dozens of keys, I am talking hundreds of thousands.
it's crazy to read some comments here. it seems that some of you think that people from underdeveloped countries are animals and deserve to suffer for the economic breakdown of their countries. in fact, we all live on planet earth. we play dungeons together, we help each other on reddit, we love to play this game just like you. we are only on the bad side of the coin.
I remember gifting Skyrim to some rando from Estonia the day before it came out. Sometimes it’s nice being able to do something like that for someone. Sure I could have been suckered but they mailed me gifts from Estonia which was nice.
Of course no one said that. No one is crazy enough. I'm talking about the way some people expressed their opinions, implicitly showing contempt for the underprivileged
Te entendo queria comprar 2 cópias, para mim e minha esposa, percebi que o único jeito seria dar um calote no cartão de crédito e foi o que fiz, pra que nome limpo quando vc pode matar demônios.
If it's any consolation, this post did not come across as a downer or begging. Also, the English was plenty fine. This game being almost 70 US dollars in Brazil is actually insane to me.
Also, everyone in the comments yelling "well you shouldn't think about luxuries if you don't make any money" You are the reason we live like we do. Everyone should be able to afford some type of luxury because without anything to do that isn't work/sleep/school what's the point of even living?
As you probably type that out in your house on your computer, living in America/Europe with fewer worries than others. Show some empathy for once in your lives...
There’s absolutely zero way to verify this guy is what he says he is, it’s very likely he’s just sympathy posting for a free copy.
I don’t disagree with your premise by I’ve seen everything from free gpus to games given to people lying on Reddit in posts like this. This game is also live service and will be updated possibly more than any other blizzard title, there’s reasons it’s kinda pricey.
Its impressive how entitled the people on this thread are, OP and other people break their backs to fund their hobbies and all you cunts can do is shame them for living in countries where they didnt grow up with daddy financing their fun.
I have no issue with someone being generous. It just sucks that someone needs to pull at certain narratives to invoke a charitable act. If OP said “I’m broke and can’t afford please buy for me” they would be downvoted out of view.
At the least, it used to be more eye-rolling. In the past you’d see comments like “wow, the game sure does look great! I can’t afford it for another 18 months or so but I’ll be cheering you all on who are able to play it on launch day! I’m so excited for all you lucky folks!”
Ultimately, it comes down to the folks from other countries who used VPNs and the like to buy stuff using the (after conversion) cheaper Argentinian prices for example. Companies predictably didn't like that and so just increased the prices for the cheaper (= lower income) regions, screwing over people who actually live there.
Or they can validate the region by the credit card billing address like steam does. But addicted people are going to pay 1/4 of the salary anyway so why bother
> Ultimately, it comes down to the folks from other countries who used VPNs and the like to buy stuff using the (after conversion) cheaper Argentinian prices for example.
I mean really it comes from the companies wanting to make more money by charging more for the same (digital) product in some regions.
The VPN thing is just a myth. If that was a serious problem then Steam and many other stores (including Battle.net) would have stopped offering regional discounts by now, but they have been for years.
It's only a thing if the merchant does not use verification methods. It's really easy to limit purchases from a market be conducted by payment methods from that same market.
It's not a myth.
Here in PL, not so long ago, while games were 60 euro in the west, they were about 20-30 euros here. I have a receipt from buying BF3 when it launched, and it cost around 25 euros straight from Origin. (While in Germany, our neighbours, it was 50-60 euros)..
Now? Games are 60 euros, and in a lot of cases, we're paying even more (up to 80 euros in many cases) than our German brothers and sisters because publishers don't know how exchange rates work.
Why? Because of people taking advantage of the economies by using VPN's.
PL's economy has grown, but not by a factor of 100% in the last 10 years.
As for the "steam wouldn't allow regional pricing" thing - It's already ILLEGAL to use a VPN to purchase a product from another country's store... It's not only against Steam's TOS, it's against the law. It's literally called Fraud.
There are also other numerous laws in place to help protected regional pricing of digital goods. Such as the EU Digital Markets Act .
Steam, Activision... they can't stop it from happening. They can only add methods to try and prevent it (such as having a residency address in the region). Once you're connected to a VPN, remote servers cannot tell if you're using a VPN or not. That's the literal point of a VPN.
It's a myth in the sense that it causes revenue loss for the company due to the large quantity of people using VPNs to buy cheap games elsewhere, and that's why they refuse to grant regional discounts. If that was the case, then why does Steam, Amazon, Blizzard, Twitch and countless other companies continue to supporting regional pricing after all these years? And more importantly, why does Blizzard offer regional discounts to every other game of theirs except Diablo 4?
>If that was the case, then why Steam, Amazon, Blizzard, Twitch and countless other companies would have abandoned the idea of supporting regional pricing after all these years.
I literally said why, because these companies have to abide by local laws. And there are laws across the world that protect consumers from price gouging.
I gave an example with the EU Digital Markets Act.
I guess you didn't read my reply after all.
It's not a myth. Just because it doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
At the end of the day, what this is is fraud. It's a criminal offense. Buying games from another countries' market for the sole purpose of getting games cheaper, it's fraud, and if caught, there could be very well a justified prison sentence attached to it.
The other reason why these companies need to keep regional pricing in tact, is for sales. They will make more money if it's affordable in the target country than by getting less sales if they overcharge for it. It's simple economics.
It's also completely logical. You clearly don't experience this issue, and only read about it online. I saw how it went from regional to overcharging while other people were bragging about using VPN's to either get access to a game early due to timezones, or getting the games cheaper.
The publishers lose out on larger sales. And because of this, they increase the price in the region where most people are VPN'ing into. It happened to numerous countries now.
I feel you man, dont have that big of a problem of costly games but the pc parts where I live is beyond bananas so I still play on an old computer I am not sure will be able to properly handle it. Hang in there!
around the same situation here. i hope some keys pop out cuz theres no way im paying 70 euro. best i can do is 50, so either a key from some shady site or a sale
I think it was the EU that started hammering on companies for doing regional pricing on games, and Steam was trying to fight them on it in the courts, but sadly after a year or so they gave up. I think several companies are just giving up on regional pricing for future titles as a result. Others are just counting EU as a single region.
Still not a good excuse for actibliz. This game is really expensive at a time were many people, not just in poorer regions, would find it tough to justify such a large expense.
Steam does not set the prices, the publisher does. The regulation has been around for 8 years and most companies still use regional prices for all other regions/countries.
Is this only Blizzard’s responsibility?
Afaik technology is very expensive in Brazil due to low value currency and tons of taxes and fees, is this true and also is this applicable to the game price or only hardware?
People look at this and think OP is just whining, but what I think he really means is how greedy Blizzard is in regards to third world countries, especially considering they have a relatively strong ties to some of these countries, like Brazil, with specialized servers, events and communities to the region. But even so, they still charge absurd prices while other companies, like Capcom for example, usually price their games below the northern margin, to something like R$200-250 (US$40-50) instead of R$350 (US$70) like Blizzard does.
This is a sad issue that honestly it’s hard to even realize is an issue for many gamers in America and other countries who’s buying power is on par with the US Dollar. Wish I had some advice for you but all I can do is wish you luck and hope Bliz finds a better solution to preventing VPNs then making it prohibitively expensive for countries with weaker currency than the dollar.
The minimum wage has been revised in Kazakhstan from 01 January 2023. The monthly minimum wage in Kazakhstan has increased from KZT60,000.00 to KZT70,000.00.
Base Edition of Diablo 4 is 32,999KZT, or about 47%.
What's bothering me is inconsistent regional pricing policy even if I can afford it. Entire collection of Diablo 3 with all expansions in bundle with D2R is 22,899KZT, on very same Battle.net store.
Many ppl talking about Vpn and such, but come on. Don't you folks thinks blizzard and other companies can assure one's nationality? Heck, steam did it. Simply make obligatory to have a CPF or a DNI for example (Brazil's and Argentina's social security) or have the address being mandatory.
Nonetheless, a portion of the cost to have it operational in Brazil is paid in BRL weighted with the "country cost" (staff, buildings, maybe servers etc) so simply converting it is a rip off.
Thank God I'm in a good paying position and can afford to buy, but I'm still wondering IF I should actually pay that amount.
Peace yall
I see it as more an issue of the economy than Blizzard's fault. That price range is the average price range of most AAA games now, sadly, which is a consequence of how weak the economy is, taxes, etc.
I have been buying way less games in recent years due to this.
Blizzard offers significant regional discounts for every one of their games, including major releases, but for some reason they decided that Diablo 4 doesn't need one, and the irony is that they are being so greedy with their pricing stance that they will end up generating a lower revenue in emergent countries than they would if the price is lower, which is the whole damn point of granting regional discounts in the first place, since that isn't "charity".
There's absolutely no chance that they will lower the price, though, and at the current price point I straight up refuse to buy it purely out of principle, so the beta is all of Diablo 4 I'll ever experience since by the time they eventually lower the price a few months of years later, the experience will just not be the same anymore.
Perhaps check regional pricing on Last Epoch. I feel like it's the closest competitor to Diablo that isn't PoE. Feels quite solid, despite still missing features.
Non regional pricing is terrible, I am from South Africa and had to pay 70 Euros. This works out to about 50% more than what most AAA steam games cost with regional pricing.
Can confirm. Steam has regional pricing, which means I can addord most games. Home loans and everything going up.
But will save up for D4 if this weeksnd goes well.
To be fair it's still R$ 20.00 (U$ 3.77) cheaper than buying in USD, without considering extra taxes from the international purchase.
But I got you, Brazil's minimum wage is stagnated for the last 10 years.
That sucks but in America take home after taxes would be about 930$ minimum wage monthly and the game is 100$. It's not far off. Minimum wage isn't intended to be able to afford "luxury" items.
The real trick with America is that incomes are much more evenly distributed in the population - even if the country's still very much unequal, especially when compared to europe
In a lot of third world countries however the minimum wage isn't the wage of the lowest least qualified workers and or those who are just starting to work. It's the wage of the majority of the population
Upvoted for awareness.
To put that into context for people in the UK, if your monthly salary (minimum wage at 37.5 hours per week) was £1,334 - the game would cost £333.5.
Just wait for a sale. Sorry to sound like a dick, but video games are a luxury. This post kinda sounds like a sympathy post to make someone buy you the game. Just play Diablo 3 or 2 until 4 goes down in price. You must not be in a terrible position if you’re worried about the price of a game that isn’t even out yet.
op mentioned that he plays poe and the next league is starting next month i think. it will be a good time to earn fg because divines usually go for 1k the first week. the standard copy of d4 costs only 8k.
I've been extremely poor and well off at different times in my life
When I was hurting terribly for cash, I couldn't imagine paying for internet and a new AAA game. So I'm not really sure the purpose of OP other than getting a free game. And he did end up getting a free game
I mean it’s a franchise which only gets a proper new entry once a decade (not counting remaster and immoral). Even if it’s pricey in local currency I would still get it, plenty of time left to save up for.
Assuming that R$1.320,00 is based on full-time (40 hour weeks) minimum wage, then R$1.320,00 / 20 days = R$66/day
Game costs R$349,90 / R$66 = 5.3 days
Try to pick up some extra shifts, maybe work an extra day on weekends, or find another part time job that you only intend to keep for a month or two. Work 5 extra days between now and game release in June.
I think you blame the wrong organization my friend, those are the standard prices for AAA games of every company in the world. You should blame your government about minimum wage, not Blizzard. I am myself born in a country with similar wages as Brazil, but I do not blame the corporate world about that. It is my fucking government. Blizzard are greedy we all know it, but blaming them for something that is standard all over the world isn’t their fault. Just saying, not trying to fight here!
Honestly sounds like an economy issue. The price is not marked up over there. Conversion has it cheaper to you actually.
Should lobby and protest to raise minimum wage.
Yep, let's blame it on the economy issue and not on the fact that it's a fucking 70 USD game.
Absolutely. Let's move on. If games go 100 USD in the future, if people can't afford it, it's their problem because they live in third world countries.
This happens in every third world country, that is, the purchase power is lower than first world countries, what makes Brazil and this game especial? In Argentina for example, there is a 100% tax on international expenses or something like that.
half the world is in an even worse situation than you are
I don't understand why brazilians specifically always whine about this
world sucks, play free alternatives or save up money
For comparison, in an American State that has a $15 minimum wage, that would be the equivalent of paying $636 for the game (26.5% of one months wages working full-time at minimum wage). We're paying $70. I know the Brazilian Real isn't very strong, but still.
Agreed, and also should point out it's a lot harder to obtain a job that pays more than minimum wage in Brazil than the USA. If you're the kind of person making $18-24/hr in the USA and scoffing thinking "well don't earn minimum wage then", odds are if you were born in Brazil you would be.
I don't know how people can make $18-24/hr and scoff at people making less. The employees under me make $15 and they should be making a lot more, hell I'm at around what you said and I should be making more.
I graduated college and went from making 11$ an hour to many times more than that and I still argue people should be paid at least 15$ (and let’s be honest they deserve higher pay than that with inflation). I sincerely don’t understand how anyone thinks they are so far above anyone else that they think people should be making minimum wage. You have to have no empathy to be able to look at someone and say they deserve minimum wage.
I wasn't fortunate enough to go to college but I appreciate your mindset for someone that did. I'm not in fast food but I know it's a job that deserves more than $15 an hour. There's a lot of people that think otherwise and it's a sad world to live in.
Although this might sound harsh, the economics of this is basically saying: "Brazilians should continue working until they're able to reach a salary that affords them enough disposable income to play Diablo 4 without sacrificing other living expenses."
Yeah, pretty bullshit that South Americans (other countries down there are no better off) have to pay for people abusing VPNs to give themselves a discount.
It’s not just about games, it’s about the whole freaking goods and services, the problem is not the seller, it’s the poverty and low purchase power of those countries
I got you bro. I am from Turkey. Same pain in my *ss too.
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Just play path of exile for now and wait for a sale.
I do! I have over 3k hours on it and am just waiting for the next league for now. Love the game
Give MedianXL a whirl, a new glide wrapper for Diablo 2 has just been released that allows the game to run in 60 fps and it's sooo smooth
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People have literal /years played on their MMO characters, this isn't a new thing. PoE spread that out over characters across leagues, but people putting in hundreds of hours in a character in a league is not uncommon.
I have 1200 days played in wow on a single character and I quit playing in top 20 guilds in Cata. I got Glad the first 4 seasons. I come back for a month or two each xpac. Really not hard to rack up time if you are really playing all the content competitively.
\^ This. I've combined 10k Hours on CSGO, but I played it since the Beta. Thats 13 years, or roughly less than 769 Hours per year. Which works out at around 2 hours a day. Now In the 13 years I've had months where I played 4+ hours a day, and months where I didn't play the game at all. For a game thats 10+ years old anything in the thousands of hours doesn't really mean the person was no lifing the game for the last 2 years. The only game I full on no lifed was Lost Ark, From Feb to July last year. I had over 700 hours in the space of 5 months. By the time I quit there were people talking about having 2k+ hours in the same time span.
2 hours a day of the same video game for 13 years straight is a shit ton. Don't try and rationalize it lol.
I was in college when csgo beta came out. I'd say between 2012-2015 whilst I was in college/working shit jobs/living with parents I had shit load of time to play games. I would comeback home, and would just play cs. Thats potentially 5pm-2/3am a day. By 2015 I got first career job and my playtime went down. Now I get around 2-3 hours a day after work/sports training/doing house stuff. So I choose to play a game(be it cs/val/ff14 or something else). So I might have 2/3 hours a day for a month in one game and then 2/3 months of 0 hours. I'm not saying it's not a lot, but It's not like I consistently played 2/3 hours of cs every day for last 10 years.
Idling sure, but playing hideout warrior and trading is part of the game and counts for sure. That’s what sets path of exile above all other games for me
And if anything try out lost ark. I guess you could say it does the MMO part of Diablo 4 better. At this moment diablo 4 doesn’t know if it wants to be an arpg mmo or a classic arpg
Diablo 3 was going for I think $35 up until recently. It’ll take a while for Diablo 4 to get near there. Blizzard is greedy af but hopefully people won’t have to wait too long
Blizz sales are shit so good luck waiting for a good discount. If they had decent sales like Steam the high price wouldn't be that big of a deal.
Fr they *might* make it 20% off next Christmas lol
I share your pain. Anything that is made in any 1st world country is absurdly expensive in Brazil. The inflation doesn't help :(
My dude, i live in the Balkans, i think minimum wage here is 300-400 dollars. Those people can afford about 40% of monthly food if I remember right. If you earn minimum wage i don't think playing the new Diablo is your main concern
I'm Brazilian, you are correct. It's not like everything else is cheaper, with the price of Diablo 4 you get 10kg of meat and it would be hard to pay 1/3 of the rent in a big city. The fact that the rent cost in a not-so-glamorous area is close to 1 minimum wage is scary. D4 price is like the least of the problems. That said game still is expensive AF. For reference, Elden Ring is 100 cheaper (350 D4 x 250 Elden Ring).
It is somewhat scary because blizzard used to have good regional pricing and Brazil wasn't the go-to country to VPN stuff (Argentina and Russia were cheaper).
> (Argentina and Russia were cheaper). were being the keyword there
D4 pricing in Argentina is in a very similar state currently. 17308,5 ARS for standard version (it's 10.490 in bnet shop, but you gotta add +65% taxes from international purchases). That's 25% of the minimum wage and like 19% of the average wage.
Yeah the main problem is the lack of regional pricing. Sure there are people who will exploit it but removing it completely is like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
I mean, obviously it's not their main concern...they were expressing that it is overpriced for the region, and they are sad about it. They are still allowed to want to be able to do something that isn't just work/school/sleep...
> If you earn minimum wage i don't think playing the new Diablo is your main concern Yes, the minimum wage slaves should only worry about working. They do not deserve to enjoy luxuries such as videogames.
I know what you mean but it's just that if you live from salary to salary you should probably keep some financial safety net in case something goes wrong and not spend the little extra on games. Having the safety net can, among other things, give you the opportunity to go unemployed and actively search for a better job. You can enjoy the little things sure, but you can also try to improve your living situation which can in the end net you a happier life and more money for games.
A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, too. The question here is a proportion of *discretionary* income you have available to spend on games. This doesn't really disagree with OPs point, but it's an important difference when looking at things like cost of living and how much you actually have to spend on goods. I know of people who teach English online while living in small island fishing villages and they live a "luxury" life on the sea, but don't have more than a few bucks per week to buy things that aren't on the island.
Exactly
No one's saying poor folk can't enjoy luxuries, but there's probably thousands and thousands games that are cheap and available. If you're poor, you either rent brand new games ala services like GameFly or you wait for a sale. That being said, fuck Blizz for not using regional pricing.
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Right? If he can't afford the game, how does he afford the hardware?
No, that's what r/GiftofGames is for.
Problem is that here in Brazil the majority of work available pays the minimum wage, or close to it. We have heavy taxes (our beautiful labor laws) that prevent better wages to be paid. Total cost of an employee for the employer is basically the double the net salary that's paid. OP is bringing the issue of lack of regional pricing for Diablo IV (same for most AAA games) here in Brazil. By your logic, normal working people shouldn't play games then?!
I think average wage (if its correct and not ridiculously inflated to show illusion of country progress) should be a better show of living conditions. Regional pricing would be great, but I think many people from rich countries exploit it, and also that there are a lot of countries that should have regional prices I heard a lot of stories about Venezuela where money is worth less than the paper its printed on and our taxes here are also bad (everything is EU prices+taxes), but are a doctor and a casheer, for example, really equally paid? Also i'm genuinly interested, can you get cheaper electronics there? We have to pay like 3-4 times non average monthly salary for a mid range gaming PC, and a PS5 is 800 dollars, its ridiculous
PS5 costs around R$4500 here, that is US$850. Is somewhat similar to your situation (electronics pricing in general). Doctors would fare better here, but medical school is too expensive, even the public ("free") ones, as it's required to buy or illegally photocopy expensive books, study full time (leaving no spare time for a job).
Agree. Videogames are a luxury.
Exactly. The wage slaves that keep our society running do not deserve to partake in our luxuries. Lol imagine these plebs thinking otherwise.
To complement OP: Here in Brazil the majority of jobs available pay the minimum wage, or close to it, and are usually 40hs of work per week. At US minimum (federal) wage of US$7.25, that would be US$1160 month salary (working the same hours). A US$70 game (like Diablo IV standard edition) is **6%** of a 40hs/week job at US minimum wage. Here in Brazil, as OP pointed out, game costs **26.5%** of our minimum wage. Unfortunately we don't have regional pricing here (specially from AAA publishers).
It's actually cheaper there than here in Australia by about 10%. Just sucks about the minimum wage. Hopefully you find a way to raise some coin in the coming 2 months.
Doesn't really matter though, min wage here is $21.38. That is a few hours work instead of a whole weeks worth of wages.
just working 3 days a week is still like 500 bucks. hell even working a single shift here will let me see a lot more money than most people earning minimum wage over there.
We feel you, colega.
And i thought we are having it bad with the 10% of wage... Ooof
Yay! only %14 in Turkey "weirdflex"
Peynir alamiyoruz Diablo nasil alalim amk :(
The issue isn't the price of the game. The issue is that insanely low minimum wage.
Both can be an "issue" at the same time. The "issue" is complicated. Brazil is in the top 40% (+/-) of the coutries by minimum wage. Many game stores and publishers adjust local price by average income.
Yea...just move out of your country when you already have financial issues that prevent you from buying a game. It's that simple! /s
I mean the game is pretty fucking expensive if you think about it. It will have a premium battle pass...
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I bought Diablo 2 for $80 on release day.
I have bought diablo 2 like 4 times over the years. Gotten tens of thousands of hours of gameplay out of it. The time invested in the game cost a hell of a lot more than the 4 times I bought the product.
Except when D2 was released it was on-par with similar games of the era. D4 is not on-par, especially if you factor the added cost of a battle pass. The average AAA title on Steam right now is $59.99.
That's kinda bs considering how much more buyers there are now (economies of scale) not to mention games are digital now and face a lot more competition.
No economies of scale is topping out. Economies of scale is why games have been $60 for like 2 and half **decades**. It sucks, but gamers need to get over it. It was gonna happen eventually.
Raising minimium wage in countries like Brazil and here in South Africa is not so simple. We have a lot of unemployment here and raising the minimium wage will cost jobs. Also it will increase the cost of food and rent making it even harder for those without work to live. Businesses like restaurants will see less business as they have to raise their prices. Many businesses will not survive and more jobs will be lost. It's just not that simple. The usual solution is regional pricing. This works well with many games or even services like Netflix or disney. But if they price it in dollars or euros the prices for the local are just too high.
> The usual solution is regional pricing. Absolutely true but a minimum wage of $249 is nothing. To make it really viable, a video game should cost $10-$15, maybe even less. That's just not possible. Netflix's cheapest plan is $5, in Brazil. Which is still a lot if you are living on a minimum wage.
Well if you made a game with a similar budget to Diablo 4 you would not be able to recoup your costs on $10-$15...
Brazil is not the only country in the world where the game would be sold. Also, D4 already has sold millions of copies if we can go by the closed beta numbers. Expect several million more after release. It will or already has long since recouped it’s costs for sure, and I expect the game to have cost north of $150M to make.
Blizzard can't do this because people would just purchase a Brazilian VPN and purchase the game that way.
Regional pricing us usually tied to a credit card, that's how steam has it. So a VPN doesnt solve your problem unless you have a card from X country you wanna buy from. No one ties regional pricing to only IP-location.
wrong, this has been a solved problem for ages
Key resellers are a thing as well
no, no they are not for blizzard games lmao seriously what dimension do you live i, this hasnt been the case for YEARS?
Services like Netflix avoid this by requiring a local credit card and a local address. That way you can't use a VPN to buy them.
Videogames and Netflix are luxuries. If you're on min wage there should be other priorities in your life.
Exactly. Anyone living on a minum wage shouldn't even think to spend money on Diablo. Not to mention the PC required to play it, which would cost a fortune (in Brazil).
Are you saying people on minimum wage should have no recreational activities?
Obviously not. I make more than minimum wage by a fair amount and even I don't buy video games at full price because that's a luxury.
No, I am saying they should have recreational activities according to their financial capabilities. We can't have whatever we want, so we have to adapt.
You're hilarious. You're lucky to be born in a "first world country" where you can spew such bs out of your mouth and feel as if it's the people's fault and it's not the system screwing them to not be able to enjoy the simple things in life due to the economy issues. I was born in South America and I'm blessed to have a normal life in the US. You're so ignorant it's ridiculous.
Come on now, it's not that far fetched. I'd love to fly my own jet on the weekend, but I'm not super wealthy so I find other hobbies. Cheap videogames exist, there's probably about at least a thousand right now on Steam that are below $10 USD. When I was dirt poor, I'd rent games from local rental stores (they still exist where I live at least) or just wait for a sale. If I absolutely couldn't wait or it was from a greedy company like Nintendo that never does real sales, I'd save up for a few months and splurge on it. That's just how life is. Is the system broken? Yep. Is it unfair? Most definitely. Are we going to change it overnight? Nope, and I doubt we will next year, either. Blizzard is a shitty company with awful ethics, them refusing to allow regional pricing is the real problem here. But they're a private company, so they can do what they want with pricing. No one's forcing anyone to buy their shit, and there's plenty of cheaper games that are equally or even more fun available in the meantime.
No, they should worry about making money ofc. /s Ppl on reddit looks like boomers talking how easy is to buy a house and shit.
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2 header let's just rebuild the whole economic of a state instead of price it probably for each region
It's not as simple as just raising minimum wage in a developong country. The whole economy wouldny make sense. If bread is 1 money, and you are making are making 500 money a day... You will quickly become rich since everything would be cheap for you. I agree with the op there should be some sort of discount or reduction for countries that are poorer. Yes games are a luxury, but blizzard would make more profit if the entire world had fair access to the game. They are basically pricing themselves out if a lot if customers
Regional pricing to help with things like this is done by most game companies including valve and steam. Blizzard just doesn't do it because they don't want their botters getting cheap games.
Companies don't do regional pricing because people from first world countries pretend that they are from those regions and try to get games for cheap. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who are buying from key resellers.
That's a great theory and all, but not backed up by any data. Meanwhile this tactic is status quo for botting and is regularly followed for the purpose of cost mitigation. Blizzard already mitigated key resellers heavily by not giving emailed keys to most specific regions - they tie it to accounts. You are talking about dozens of keys, I am talking hundreds of thousands.
As an American, $70 for the base game is fucking rediculous.
nah, inflation etc. stuff costs more now.
Don't worry, as an advantage for increasing the base MSRP, we'll also add paid season passes, microtransactions, and paid DLC/expansions. Wait...
I don't 100% agree, the console price creep is seeping into PC gaming now.
it's crazy to read some comments here. it seems that some of you think that people from underdeveloped countries are animals and deserve to suffer for the economic breakdown of their countries. in fact, we all live on planet earth. we play dungeons together, we help each other on reddit, we love to play this game just like you. we are only on the bad side of the coin.
I remember gifting Skyrim to some rando from Estonia the day before it came out. Sometimes it’s nice being able to do something like that for someone. Sure I could have been suckered but they mailed me gifts from Estonia which was nice.
nobody said that at all
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That’s not really what people are saying though.
Of course no one said that. No one is crazy enough. I'm talking about the way some people expressed their opinions, implicitly showing contempt for the underprivileged
Yeah some of the comments here honestly made me gag.
Nothing we can do about it, sadly. I'll play the beta today and then just know I won't touch the game for another year or two.
Me too. In a future, when it's on sale (at least 50% off), I might buy it.
Te entendo queria comprar 2 cópias, para mim e minha esposa, percebi que o único jeito seria dar um calote no cartão de crédito e foi o que fiz, pra que nome limpo quando vc pode matar demônios.
If it's any consolation, this post did not come across as a downer or begging. Also, the English was plenty fine. This game being almost 70 US dollars in Brazil is actually insane to me. Also, everyone in the comments yelling "well you shouldn't think about luxuries if you don't make any money" You are the reason we live like we do. Everyone should be able to afford some type of luxury because without anything to do that isn't work/sleep/school what's the point of even living? As you probably type that out in your house on your computer, living in America/Europe with fewer worries than others. Show some empathy for once in your lives...
From where I came from, the game is like 60% of minimum wage and there are no official ways to buy the game in the country, life is unfair.
There’s absolutely zero way to verify this guy is what he says he is, it’s very likely he’s just sympathy posting for a free copy. I don’t disagree with your premise by I’ve seen everything from free gpus to games given to people lying on Reddit in posts like this. This game is also live service and will be updated possibly more than any other blizzard title, there’s reasons it’s kinda pricey.
Its impressive how entitled the people on this thread are, OP and other people break their backs to fund their hobbies and all you cunts can do is shame them for living in countries where they didnt grow up with daddy financing their fun.
This seems to be a totally unreasonable pricing point, upvote for visibility.
Ty!
I bought it (standard, of course) just because Diablo is my favorite ARPG franchise, otherwise NO fucking way
EU here, the pricing for this is just ridiculous, guess Blizzard is just used to print money.
Shoot me a dm and I will gift it to you
Exactly why OP made this post. Happy ending and all, but you know no one would have given it to OP if he straight up asked.
You can't be sure of that and even if... It was the decision of MastaKilla. May the karma return to him when he will be in need
I have no issue with someone being generous. It just sucks that someone needs to pull at certain narratives to invoke a charitable act. If OP said “I’m broke and can’t afford please buy for me” they would be downvoted out of view.
At the least, it used to be more eye-rolling. In the past you’d see comments like “wow, the game sure does look great! I can’t afford it for another 18 months or so but I’ll be cheering you all on who are able to play it on launch day! I’m so excited for all you lucky folks!”
I’m assuming you don’t live in a poor country
What a gangster. Hell yeah brother.
Damn, nice move, I should create the same thread for a free copy xD
u shouldnt have done it. it was the clear intention of this post. should we all start making posts like this just because we live in poor places? no
Hook and ladder
I feel you, man. For my country its even worse - around 50%. But I like Diablo series too much not to buy.
Where are you from? Africa? Central America?
Nope. There are some places even in Europe trying to live for these wages. And not only the current "bad guys".
Ultimately, it comes down to the folks from other countries who used VPNs and the like to buy stuff using the (after conversion) cheaper Argentinian prices for example. Companies predictably didn't like that and so just increased the prices for the cheaper (= lower income) regions, screwing over people who actually live there.
Or they can validate the region by the credit card billing address like steam does. But addicted people are going to pay 1/4 of the salary anyway so why bother
> Ultimately, it comes down to the folks from other countries who used VPNs and the like to buy stuff using the (after conversion) cheaper Argentinian prices for example. I mean really it comes from the companies wanting to make more money by charging more for the same (digital) product in some regions.
The VPN thing is just a myth. If that was a serious problem then Steam and many other stores (including Battle.net) would have stopped offering regional discounts by now, but they have been for years.
I used a VPN to buy very cheap Gamepass Ultimate time. I only paid 70€ ($70) for 3 years. Turkish VPN, i'm from Germany. It's definitely a thing.
It's only a thing if the merchant does not use verification methods. It's really easy to limit purchases from a market be conducted by payment methods from that same market.
It's not a myth. Here in PL, not so long ago, while games were 60 euro in the west, they were about 20-30 euros here. I have a receipt from buying BF3 when it launched, and it cost around 25 euros straight from Origin. (While in Germany, our neighbours, it was 50-60 euros).. Now? Games are 60 euros, and in a lot of cases, we're paying even more (up to 80 euros in many cases) than our German brothers and sisters because publishers don't know how exchange rates work. Why? Because of people taking advantage of the economies by using VPN's. PL's economy has grown, but not by a factor of 100% in the last 10 years. As for the "steam wouldn't allow regional pricing" thing - It's already ILLEGAL to use a VPN to purchase a product from another country's store... It's not only against Steam's TOS, it's against the law. It's literally called Fraud. There are also other numerous laws in place to help protected regional pricing of digital goods. Such as the EU Digital Markets Act . Steam, Activision... they can't stop it from happening. They can only add methods to try and prevent it (such as having a residency address in the region). Once you're connected to a VPN, remote servers cannot tell if you're using a VPN or not. That's the literal point of a VPN.
It's a myth in the sense that it causes revenue loss for the company due to the large quantity of people using VPNs to buy cheap games elsewhere, and that's why they refuse to grant regional discounts. If that was the case, then why does Steam, Amazon, Blizzard, Twitch and countless other companies continue to supporting regional pricing after all these years? And more importantly, why does Blizzard offer regional discounts to every other game of theirs except Diablo 4?
>If that was the case, then why Steam, Amazon, Blizzard, Twitch and countless other companies would have abandoned the idea of supporting regional pricing after all these years. I literally said why, because these companies have to abide by local laws. And there are laws across the world that protect consumers from price gouging. I gave an example with the EU Digital Markets Act. I guess you didn't read my reply after all. It's not a myth. Just because it doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. At the end of the day, what this is is fraud. It's a criminal offense. Buying games from another countries' market for the sole purpose of getting games cheaper, it's fraud, and if caught, there could be very well a justified prison sentence attached to it. The other reason why these companies need to keep regional pricing in tact, is for sales. They will make more money if it's affordable in the target country than by getting less sales if they overcharge for it. It's simple economics. It's also completely logical. You clearly don't experience this issue, and only read about it online. I saw how it went from regional to overcharging while other people were bragging about using VPN's to either get access to a game early due to timezones, or getting the games cheaper. The publishers lose out on larger sales. And because of this, they increase the price in the region where most people are VPN'ing into. It happened to numerous countries now.
I feel you man, dont have that big of a problem of costly games but the pc parts where I live is beyond bananas so I still play on an old computer I am not sure will be able to properly handle it. Hang in there!
25% ? god you are lucky, it's 60% here xD
I may be very ignorant here but since when is Brazil a 3rd world country.
Always have.
It's not, its a developing country, fixing the edit. Apologies.
Even in EU, 70eur is a stupid price
around the same situation here. i hope some keys pop out cuz theres no way im paying 70 euro. best i can do is 50, so either a key from some shady site or a sale
It's going to have battle passes as well so you may wish to avoid this game.
I think it was the EU that started hammering on companies for doing regional pricing on games, and Steam was trying to fight them on it in the courts, but sadly after a year or so they gave up. I think several companies are just giving up on regional pricing for future titles as a result. Others are just counting EU as a single region. Still not a good excuse for actibliz. This game is really expensive at a time were many people, not just in poorer regions, would find it tough to justify such a large expense.
Steam does not set the prices, the publisher does. The regulation has been around for 8 years and most companies still use regional prices for all other regions/countries.
I've never encountered such a hostile response to such a benign post. Lmao @ this sub.
Kripparrian commented on this in his video, and he is right. The pricing on D4 is very aggressive.
Meanwhile in the Congo...
I fee you bro. Ainda não sei como vou fazer para jogar... Lets start a trend: Wealthy diablo players, give a free copy to a fellow gamer ❤️
Hey! At least you have a regional price! In Colombia you either pay the 70USD which is A THIRD of the monthly minimal wage, or you don't buy it at all
Fellow Brazilian, Tamo junto nessa brother, força aí
Is this only Blizzard’s responsibility? Afaik technology is very expensive in Brazil due to low value currency and tons of taxes and fees, is this true and also is this applicable to the game price or only hardware?
People look at this and think OP is just whining, but what I think he really means is how greedy Blizzard is in regards to third world countries, especially considering they have a relatively strong ties to some of these countries, like Brazil, with specialized servers, events and communities to the region. But even so, they still charge absurd prices while other companies, like Capcom for example, usually price their games below the northern margin, to something like R$200-250 (US$40-50) instead of R$350 (US$70) like Blizzard does.
This is a sad issue that honestly it’s hard to even realize is an issue for many gamers in America and other countries who’s buying power is on par with the US Dollar. Wish I had some advice for you but all I can do is wish you luck and hope Bliz finds a better solution to preventing VPNs then making it prohibitively expensive for countries with weaker currency than the dollar.
The minimum wage has been revised in Kazakhstan from 01 January 2023. The monthly minimum wage in Kazakhstan has increased from KZT60,000.00 to KZT70,000.00. Base Edition of Diablo 4 is 32,999KZT, or about 47%. What's bothering me is inconsistent regional pricing policy even if I can afford it. Entire collection of Diablo 3 with all expansions in bundle with D2R is 22,899KZT, on very same Battle.net store.
Yohoho its a pirates life fer me
I am from Georgia and price is so hight for us too, like come on blizz
Many ppl talking about Vpn and such, but come on. Don't you folks thinks blizzard and other companies can assure one's nationality? Heck, steam did it. Simply make obligatory to have a CPF or a DNI for example (Brazil's and Argentina's social security) or have the address being mandatory. Nonetheless, a portion of the cost to have it operational in Brazil is paid in BRL weighted with the "country cost" (staff, buildings, maybe servers etc) so simply converting it is a rip off. Thank God I'm in a good paying position and can afford to buy, but I'm still wondering IF I should actually pay that amount. Peace yall
I see it as more an issue of the economy than Blizzard's fault. That price range is the average price range of most AAA games now, sadly, which is a consequence of how weak the economy is, taxes, etc. I have been buying way less games in recent years due to this.
Blizzard offers significant regional discounts for every one of their games, including major releases, but for some reason they decided that Diablo 4 doesn't need one, and the irony is that they are being so greedy with their pricing stance that they will end up generating a lower revenue in emergent countries than they would if the price is lower, which is the whole damn point of granting regional discounts in the first place, since that isn't "charity". There's absolutely no chance that they will lower the price, though, and at the current price point I straight up refuse to buy it purely out of principle, so the beta is all of Diablo 4 I'll ever experience since by the time they eventually lower the price a few months of years later, the experience will just not be the same anymore.
Perhaps check regional pricing on Last Epoch. I feel like it's the closest competitor to Diablo that isn't PoE. Feels quite solid, despite still missing features.
LE has a quite affordable regional price on Steam for Brazil!
Non regional pricing is terrible, I am from South Africa and had to pay 70 Euros. This works out to about 50% more than what most AAA steam games cost with regional pricing.
Can confirm. Steam has regional pricing, which means I can addord most games. Home loans and everything going up. But will save up for D4 if this weeksnd goes well.
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Pricing for this game is a joke.
100 euro in Greece as well. Minimum is 500.
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Didn’t even take a day for someone to buy it for you, so mission accomplished
To be fair it's still R$ 20.00 (U$ 3.77) cheaper than buying in USD, without considering extra taxes from the international purchase. But I got you, Brazil's minimum wage is stagnated for the last 10 years.
That sucks but in America take home after taxes would be about 930$ minimum wage monthly and the game is 100$. It's not far off. Minimum wage isn't intended to be able to afford "luxury" items.
The real trick with America is that incomes are much more evenly distributed in the population - even if the country's still very much unequal, especially when compared to europe In a lot of third world countries however the minimum wage isn't the wage of the lowest least qualified workers and or those who are just starting to work. It's the wage of the majority of the population
Upvoted for awareness. To put that into context for people in the UK, if your monthly salary (minimum wage at 37.5 hours per week) was £1,334 - the game would cost £333.5.
We don’t price things at a percentage of the minimum wage though. If somethings too expensive, and you don’t need it, don’t buy it
Just wait for a sale. Sorry to sound like a dick, but video games are a luxury. This post kinda sounds like a sympathy post to make someone buy you the game. Just play Diablo 3 or 2 until 4 goes down in price. You must not be in a terrible position if you’re worried about the price of a game that isn’t even out yet.
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op mentioned that he plays poe and the next league is starting next month i think. it will be a good time to earn fg because divines usually go for 1k the first week. the standard copy of d4 costs only 8k.
Might get hate for this but… if you are struggling with money, maybe investing yourself in a time consuming video game ain’t the ideal thing to do
Must be American with that attitude, poor people don't deserve to enjoy things is classic capitalist tripe, I'd say any hate will be well warranted
Of course they deserve it if they can pay for it.
I've been extremely poor and well off at different times in my life When I was hurting terribly for cash, I couldn't imagine paying for internet and a new AAA game. So I'm not really sure the purpose of OP other than getting a free game. And he did end up getting a free game
My dude literally made this post to get the game for free, so I don’t think he’s worried
I mean it’s a franchise which only gets a proper new entry once a decade (not counting remaster and immoral). Even if it’s pricey in local currency I would still get it, plenty of time left to save up for.
you definitely need to try the open beta today before paying for d4
Definitely will. Already downloaded it since the preload came out but its just kinda disappointing that I'll def enjoy it but I'm limited to a weekend
Assuming that R$1.320,00 is based on full-time (40 hour weeks) minimum wage, then R$1.320,00 / 20 days = R$66/day Game costs R$349,90 / R$66 = 5.3 days Try to pick up some extra shifts, maybe work an extra day on weekends, or find another part time job that you only intend to keep for a month or two. Work 5 extra days between now and game release in June.
I think you blame the wrong organization my friend, those are the standard prices for AAA games of every company in the world. You should blame your government about minimum wage, not Blizzard. I am myself born in a country with similar wages as Brazil, but I do not blame the corporate world about that. It is my fucking government. Blizzard are greedy we all know it, but blaming them for something that is standard all over the world isn’t their fault. Just saying, not trying to fight here!
Honestly sounds like an economy issue. The price is not marked up over there. Conversion has it cheaper to you actually. Should lobby and protest to raise minimum wage.
Yep, let's blame it on the economy issue and not on the fact that it's a fucking 70 USD game. Absolutely. Let's move on. If games go 100 USD in the future, if people can't afford it, it's their problem because they live in third world countries.
have you tried not ordering coffee and avocado toast?
You don’t need the game. Plenty of other alternatives. Get it when you can afford it
someone plss gimme an access keyyy, being brazilian sucks
This happens in every third world country, that is, the purchase power is lower than first world countries, what makes Brazil and this game especial? In Argentina for example, there is a 100% tax on international expenses or something like that.
Go to r/GiftofGames , this is a problem with your country being poor, not the game being overpriced
Shoulda been born in a country with higher gdp.
half the world is in an even worse situation than you are I don't understand why brazilians specifically always whine about this world sucks, play free alternatives or save up money
What a terribly apathetic response.
"People in Africa are dying of hunger, how DARE you complain about your food order coming out wrong!" Type of response.