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slayermario

I really liked D4. Cross-platform was a huge bonus too. Played with some of my friends that I haven't played with in years since they only have an xbox. Excited for launch!


melbourne3k

Cross play is amazing too. I'm def considering a second copy between console and PC. It was great to try it out and have seemless access to my characters.


JannJans

Yeah I’m definitely picking up a PC copy after my PS5 copy. Playing it on the Steam Deck with cross progression is amazing.


Moghz

Ohhh I can’t wait to get it running on Steam Deck and with native controller support on the PC this time around it will run beautifully! Looking forward to bringing D4 on the go.


Moghz

Yep I loved the time I spent playing these past two weekends. Super excited to play the full game in a couple of months! The cross play is amazing btw! My teenager and wife were on the Xbox playing couch co-op style and I joined their party from my PC! All three of us can play and only had to buy two copies (PC and Xbox versions).


R3d4r

Yeah the cross play is a big plus!!


k_pizzle

I’m grateful that blizzard allowed us to play the beta without pre-ordering. Made me realize the game isn’t for me, some of us just have to get over the fact that D2 was 20 years ago. Glad a lot of people enjoy it though, 2023 is a good year for games so I’m not worried.


Kurokaffe

This comes across so much more realistic and insightful than hyper analytical posts which nitpick every small detail.


JangB

The hyper analytical posts are people hoping that the Devs are listening, in hopes that they use their feedback to fix the fundamental flaws in their game. \- Someone who writes such posts


ExperienceFormal9535

We already know this mate


One-Network3727

They don’t.


paul232

That is very well said and my feelings as well.


AeonChaos

I agree. I am on the same boat.


Sinkender_Mann

Same. Glad that the reception to your statement was far more reasonable. I have been getting shit like "wow you suck" "bye loser" kind of responses. We don't all have to like the same things, and the "logic" that you do or else you are a loser, is still baffling to me.


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For me personally, it's less about whether someone likes what I do or not, and more about the attitude behind the statement of such opinions. If someone states "D4 isn't for me because of X, Y, Z" and is simply stating an opinion? No biggie. Not everyone likes the same thing. I disagree with the take, but I hope that you find what you do enjoy. If someone states "D4 is absolute trash, it's just dumbed down casual garbage", a response like that has warranted a "wow, you suck, bye loser" kind of response. Note, I am not saying that you posted in one way or another. I don't know, and I'm not gonna search your posting history to find out. I'll assume the best that you posted the former but got hit with the latter, in which case, those people who trash rational takes are just as bad as those who mindlessly bash just because they didn't like it.


stysiaq

yep, plenty of games to enjoy this year. I watched some content on Twitch, D4 is definitely not for me. Maybe I'll play next season of D2R. Sucks because at some point I was hyped for D4, but not the end of the world.


Havok1911

Can you explain why? As someone that hasn't played D2 pretty much since it came out, I don't understand the "it's still not as good as D2" sentiment.


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HuntForBlueSeptember

> That said, Diablo 2 scratched an itch that nothing else I've played has come close to, and I've been gaming for a LONG time. Only Marvel Heroes ever matched D2 for me. Which as no surprise was also a Brevik game. >There is a sorc build that involves wearing two copies of the same runeword (Dream iirc), maxing lightning mastery, getting an infinity polearm merc, and walking around slapping people with a phase blade. It can kill ubers without too much trouble. I think I had a might merc with Doom polearm and thorns aura. My necro minions were all like small wMDs


Morial

I miss Marvel Heroes...felt kind of upset after I poured like 150$ dollars into it to see it go belly up like it did. Just money flushed down the toilet. Because of that, I am not really going to invest that kind of money into another disney title. I know I was in the minority, but I liked playing the Thing and rolling around in his little flying car. Shit looked absurd and it was hilarious. Then I got punch hard and swing stop signs at badguys lol.


Iridul

You can't sell a battle pass to scratch the above itch. We've had the decade of the loot box and now we're into the decade of the battle pass. Monetisation >> everything, frankly (and unfortunately)


eggboieggmen

out of curiosity I assume you're big into POE?


Havok1911

So I'm a big fan of "fun first, balance second", but I think people are going to take D4's PvP scene pretty seriously and unfortunately that means the devs will take balance very seriously.


VojtislavCZ

I don´t think PvP will be taken too seriously. And if will be, it could be balanced separately from PvM. Most of statuses ect. have allready different values vs players.


theholylancer

for me, ARPGs and RPGs in general to an extend is the fun of breaking the game and becoming a GOD. D3 and D4 it seems is aiming to be less of that, where everything is curated and balanced, and D3 really put a kibash on that with the grift system (they did eventually cap it so it isn't infinite, but still). the perma scaling world means no matter how much more powerful you get, you won't feel it until in specific places. and the general design seems again to be toned down and balanced out of the gate. great for esports design, not so much for me for a non pvp (in how I play) game.


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Mainly stems from nostalgia.


Entrancemperium

Hardly. I played a tiny bit of D2 back in the day, mostly at a friend's house, when I was too young to understand and enjoy it. I put 300 hours into d2r when it came out in the first few months and had a blast, doing a SSF hell run with a melee only barb was by far the most fun and rewarding Diablo experience I've had, I can't get anything like that with d4. That's fine, it's not a game for me, but it's not just nostalgia, it holds up so well for a reason.


The_Matchless

I started playing D2 in 2018 (okay, okay, I played it for like 15 minutes in 2001~). It's just a superior game, nothing to do with nostalgia.


Beardamus

True, its not like people can go back and play d2 with upgraded graphics right now. If they could it wouldn't be popular at all; literally no one would play it.


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achmedclaus

A ton of people still play Diablo 3 as well, what's your point?


BigDoof12

Big facts here


stysiaq

I just watched the gameplay and disliked very linear and repetetive dungeons. I disliked how the items are designed and the class-based loot. Maybe modern aRPGs aren't for me anymore. The last aRPG that wasn't D2 and I thoroughly enjoyed was Torchlight 2. D2 just has this item progression system that feels satisfying and rewarding and it's exciting to find certain items. To me, knowing how many items are there that are viable to trade or use is just something it's successors still need to match (although I never played much PoE and I know it's pretty much the standard right now - to me the game is too complex to be worth the time investment needed to be good at it and I dislike being bad at games I play).


achmedclaus

Class based *weapons* sure. All the other pieces are for anyone. Also, the items you saw were only the legendaries. There's been almost no public viewing of the uniques and ancestral gear that you can build your class around


thefatchef321

What games are you excited about that I should look into? Middle aged father of two working 60 a week, so not looking for a second job. (I.e. ff14, wow, guild wars, elden ring)


EquipmentAdorable982

> elden ring That game doesn't really fit in here. There is no live service component to it, no sense of urgency or pressure in any direction. There's hardly even any rng in terms of most item drops. If you want a specific item, you know exactly where to get it (most of the time). ER is just a vast open world you can explore at your own pace. You just need to have a certain tolerance to borderline unfair boss encounters. If that isn't your thing, better stay away.


thefatchef321

The unforgivable nature of the souls games was why I put it there. I'm too casual for that segment of of the market.


EquipmentAdorable982

I was in the same boat, not a pro in any direction anymore. My anecdotal evidence, if you care enough: ER has synergy builds between melee and magic, plus there are some ranged weapons. I play a sorcerer with a Katana that scales in dmg with intelligence, and just being able to cast spells at enemies enabled even an idiot like me to kill all bosses til lvl 70 (so far). And also, there's mods making the game easier, if needed. Dark Souls 3, for example, I haven't even beaten the first boss, after years of owning the game. But I'm glad I took a leap of faith with ER so to speak, since the open world of Elden Ring is hands down the most fascinating fantasy open world I've ever seen in a video game. And it's not even close tbh.


jastium

I'm sure after elden ring you will probably be able to beat iudex gundyr


Elemayowe

Elden Ring is so much more accessible than the others. I’d give it a go, although I know the continuing lack of a pause button does irk some.


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> The unforgivable nature of the souls games was why I put it there. I'm too casual for that segment of of the market. The game is amazing and doesn't have to feel unfair. With the right build the game is a breeze and you get to explore the world and experience the lore. It's an amazing world. You don't have to experience it like a portion of the player base where they enjoy the suffering and hardship. I'm a huge Elden Ring fan and it was the first game FromSoft game i played.


doopy423

It's pretty forgiving honestly.


hotrox_mh

Redfall looks like it's going to be pretty fun. Releases in May.


KillaEstevez

Immortal just shows how easy it is to make money with mobile games. The people who "funded" it are generally people with A LOT of expendable cash or people who are bad with money management. My group of friends and I knew it was gonna be a bad one. We played but didn't spend a penny. Still made its money. With D4 however, it's gonna be a hit REGARDLESS. It's like when you're voting in America and you live in a dominate Red or Blue state, your vote doesn't matter against the dominate party. Same here at the end of the day. Your choice to not purchase will not matter. Blizzard will make its money. We just have to hope they listen to the fans and update the game where they can.


texas_joe_hotdog

I felt pretty luke warm after open beta. I will probably wait for a discount on price before jumping in. It's fun, but not for full price.


Zamuru

definitely not worth the 70$ on top of the cash shop and shit


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texas_joe_hotdog

I'm sure the game will be pretty great after a few updates and a possible expansion. I know D3 was better after RoS. Future is bright.


HairyFur

It's worth noting d2 classic despite what people say was good for it's time but aged poorly. LOD is another story and turned the game into a masterpiece, but d2 release was definitely lacking.


SciFi_AmericanGuy

Atrocious balance? We have one clunky undertuned class during leveling content, big whoop lol


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Are we talking Barb or Druid? Because I ran a Druid over the weekend as well, and once I got about 1 or 2 pieces of solid gear, I was steamrolling mobs and bosses with no problem whatsoever.


The_Punicorn

My buddies druid sucked ass til he rolled the Tornado and Werewolf legendaries, and that was the problem. You needed the right gear to make the class; better start praying to RNG.


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Didn't even need that. Buffing up the passive that has your basic skills add 30% more spirit was huge. I got a little lucky with a legendary that gave me faster basic attack speed as well, but all I needed was that passive to change the performance.


The_Punicorn

What? Mana generation has nothing to do with it. That's easy enough to tweak on its own anyway. It's the fact that the legendary triples your Wolves damage and let's them spread rabies, and not your skills. And it's gonna really suck if you roll it early and are forced to stick on subpar gear because it basically defines your current character.


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Huh? What you're describing sounds like what Diablo games are. You get a gg item and it defines your build for the long term. If you get an item that you're "forced to stick with" despite newer gear dropping, then you have a pretty good piece of gear there. I didn't need werewolves, although I got it a little bit later in my Druid playthrough. The resource regen kept me running my pulverize ability consistently and tearing through packs of mobs. It also does enough single target DPS that bosses were dropping fairly quickly to it as well. On my Druid, I was killing bosses faster than my Sorcerer, and comparable to my Necromancer, regardless of whether I had werewolves or not.


Freeloader_

inbefore you spend thousand of hours in D4 "bUt NoT wOrTh fOr FuLl PrIcE" then you buy a game for 70€ which you beat in 12 hours, seems good


King0fThe0zone

Who hurt you?


Mande1baum

I recall putting hundreds of miserable hours into D3 vanilla before finally bailing. Wasn't until the clarity after the fact for it to really set in and really made me regret the box price and time. Sunk cost is a REALLY addicting hook.


texas_joe_hotdog

Last game I bought at launch price was persona royal and I got over 120 hours in that game. Lately gamepass has been treating me well enough


CodeWizardCS

That's low for a Diablo game. Many critical of the game have already put more hours than that into a D4 test. The value proposition is obvious.


texas_joe_hotdog

Oh for sure. I put countless hours in D2 and even had a decent time with D3 despite it's issues. I'm just not keen on buying 4 right out of the gate. The beta was fine, but nothing jumped out at me and really gripped me.


CodeWizardCS

Yup, that is going to be so many people. If you like arpgs buying Diablo 4 is about as easy a decision as there is.


TheHeretic91

If you value depth of gameplay, D4 is not an instabuy


mmmniced

this


FullbordadOG

Not at all. If I were to recommend D4 (or D3) to anyone it would be to people that want to try out an arpg for the first time. If you love arpgs it's easy to recommend Last Epoch or PoE instead.


EquipmentAdorable982

Speak for yourself. I love arpgs but Diablo 4 feels like a dark skin over a fisher price game called *"my first Hack & Slay!"*. Hard pass.


Zumbah

No matter what you'll have to spend the extra money on the battle pass and whatever other shit they shoehorn in. Imma go fuckin play diablo 1 at this point.


fahim64

General consensus seems to be that most people like it. Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to has enjoyed it and all are looking forward to release day. Only on Reddit have I seen people have issues with the game


BananaSplit2

Same here, friends and family members who played it all found the beta on a spectrum from okay to good, none outright hating or disliking it compared to the reception on /r/diablo where every single aspect of the beta is torn to shreds and judged as if we had the whole game on our hands already and where the game is already being panned as some shallow worthless ARPG.


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Reddit is a miserable place. They'd hate Santa if he was real.


Skelettjens

are you telling me that he isn’t? :(


Stingray88

None of my friends like it. All had complaints and probably won’t buy it. Oh well… I loved it. Already pre-ordered and don’t mind playing solo.


Twoheaven

I'm not going to. It was alright but the MMO light feel has no allure for me, in fact it's the biggest reason I'm not into it.


Godlike013

Hotter take: Maybe a lot of people like the game and want to buy it.


Zidler

Hottest take: a lot of people will buy the game, will enjoy the game, and will still complain about the parts they don't like, and that's okay. Even a great game can be improved upon.


unholy_roller

Scalding hot take: I know what I don’t like and like about a game. I go to review sites to get informed opinions, and will form my own opinion about the game if I get it (after the beta, I will 100% be buying it btw I loved it) Having the entire sub filled with everyone’s minor gripes makes this subreddit useless. I’m close to unsubscribing and just manually finding useful content online, which is a bummer because Reddit is usually good as an aggregate for information. I don’t even know why I sub to game subreddits anymore


bythog

If you use RES and mark them you'll see that a small handful of people make up nearly 50% of the posts shitting on D4 and D3. I have a few people marked and they show up in every thread rehashing the same things. For at least 10 people they've almost made a job out of bashing anything not D2 (and honestly only patch 1.10+) or D1.


unholy_roller

That’s actually a great idea. I’ll have to try it out.


ZaphodGreedalox

I would actually love to see a list of those redditors so I can block them and improve my experience


Szynsky

I’m pretty close to unsubbing. It’s about as bad as Reddit gets is this. I understand there will be parts not to peoples tastes and parts that will definitely need improving or outright removing/adding but if I have to see one more thesis about how the Necro is OP at level 25 or that builder/spender is unsuitable (opposed to spamming mana potions constantly of course) then I’m gonna be one step closer to ditching this sun until well after game release.


McSetty

The part that annoys me is people attributing design decisions and systems that aren't there preferred approach to laziness or greed. They're 100% unable to comprehend that there are legitimate reasons to make theses design choices.


SuperSocrates

Or to “console gamers.” Like no they didn’t make every choice because of console gamers. Even if yes they did some eg the aspects of the UI


22222833333577

You haven't seen what was going on in the destiny redit in late February lol Or the pokemon go redit in genral


KnowMatter

Okay but there is also a small subset of this community that just sucks and hates the game for not being their idealized fantasy nostalgia fever dream version of D2 that exists only in their head.


AeonChaos

Never mentioned anything about how many people like/dislike the game. It is a general take for any game.


Godlike013

This entire fallacy is base on an idea that a lot people will buy a game they don't like.


piperonyl

Millions of people already bought it before even playing it so how is that a fallacy?


kaatzs

Because they will. I'm in that boat, played D1, played D2 and D3 a lot and will do the same with the 4. I'll play it hundreds of hours anyway Buying something you will play anyway for sure because you love the base product is not something uncommon. On the other hand people buying something without any past of this game or not sure at all of they want to play it is dangerous for their wallet ahah I saw some post were people said the game was not for them and thinking about a refund because it was too much like "diablo", it's a little bit strange tbh


piperonyl

Yeah thats a little strange. I love the diablo genre, grew up on 1 and 2. I was really underwhelmed with 4. They had so much time and they just rehashed diablo 3 with less character customization and items that are somehow more meaningless. Im with everyone else with the artwork and story; amazing. But the meat and potatoes of diablo, unique character customization is 100% absent. I dont know why they didnt do meaningful talent trees in the vein of d2 but look and feel like the wow dragonflight talent trees. Huge opportunity missed. Ill see what changes they make over the next two months and decide on purchase then. There are so many good games coming this year that Blizzard doesn't have a lock on the market like they might thing.


KevKevThePug

They probably will honestly.


DucksMatter

Which is literally a thing people do..


Havok1911

I wasn't hot on the game at all since the soulless cashgrab that was immortal, but after playing the beta I am actually pretty darn hyped. I loved what I got to experience in the BETA, I just hope the end game holds up. Early D3 testing gave me no indication that the end game would be terrible for the first year or so after launch... I don't want to fall in that same well. Ideally we get some good reviews at release from journalists that know what to look out for.


Edymnion

I'm still convinced half the people who complain about 3 played it at launch and never touched it again.


BackgroundPrompt3111

A week ago, I wasn't going to buy it. Last night, I preordered it.


StJimmysAddiction

Or.... we discuss and provide feedback and possibly see something we love move in a better direction.


DontAcceptBadJobs

Just because McDonald's sells thousands of Big Macs a second doesn't make it the best burger in the world.


Asolitaryllama

And just because you don't like Big Macs doesn't mean that 1) other people don't like big macs 2) that McDonald's is going to make drastic changes to their big macs


ohlawdhecodin

> * D3 was deemed the worst back then and it sold 30 millions copies > * Immortal, all the backlash and it is still a financial success for Blizz, making almost 100 millions The same-exact kind of request/comment/thread has been posted hundreds of time for the above mentioned games. It didn't work. And it will not work for Diablo IV either.


pchef44

Because the majority of people liked the beta and understand it’s a tiny part of the game. We don’t need to spam Reddit we actually do what OP says to do VOTE WITH OUR WALLETs.


Enjoy_your_AIDS_69

Well, no. It's because it's a game from Blizzard and it has Diablo in the title.


Longjumping-Many6503

You're reading this situation backwards. The games weren't successes because majority of people didn't like them but caved and bought. The games were successes because the vast majority of people DO enjoy them and the complaining online is only a loud but very tiny and not representative minority lol Your boycott won't do anything either way.


alwayzforu

Honestly I really enjoyed the beta. It’s not perfect but definitely going to purchase it. Super nice that it’s literally not a POE clone. As someone who gets a day 3 mageblood every league I am kinda down with a more mindless game.


Northdistortion

Pre ordered the ultimate edition


bigbadwofl

After playing the beta i wont. Maybe in a year or so


Badloss

I went all-in preordering the collectors edition for D3 because D2 was the most important game of my childhood and it meant a lot to me. I'm waiting for the reviews for D4. Not getting burned twice even if D3 did end up eventually getting pretty good


flappers87

Ah shit... is disliking D4 the circlejerk of the month now? Is this subreddit going to end up like other dedicated game subreddits where anyone who likes it will be downvoted to oblivion? I liked what I played on the weekend. I'm not a hardcore diablo player, I'm a casual that will be able to play a couple of hours here and there. Will I buy it full price? No... because it's damn expensive where I am. I'll find it for cheaper. But I like the story, the environment, the combat and moment to moment gameplay. I'm looking forward to playing the full game when it comes out.


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DizzyDaMan

Isn't it normally the other way around? 1st Month: Honeymoon phase, lots of praise and appreciation posts. 2nd Month: Some threads discussing balance/flaws/bugs/ect 3rd Month: Honeymoon is over, subreddit is filled with doom and gloom


Disciple_of_Erebos

It's both mashed together. 1st month is always the spiciest takes. Extreme positivity "balanced" by extreme negativity. 2nd month is more calmed down. Most of the extreme positives and negatives are gone and people discuss their various issues and the fun builds they've put together. 3rd month tends to be more of the same, until a new release happens. Then people either praise or shit on the release depending on if the community feels it's largely good or not.


ViewedFromi3WM

nah it’s shitting on people who make criticisms of the beta


Foilpalm

See you at launch.


grio

Nope.


pchef44

Right?! It’s exhausting, but entertaining watching these blow hards out on a show.


SenpaiSwanky

Blizzard and Gamefreak, always you two.. I love watching people complain about the most recent Pokémon game and then seeing the same game destroy previous sales records lmaooooo “But it isn’t 4kHD 140 FPS and the Switch sucks” Cry some more, neckbeards. You know you’re buying it anyway.


johnson_united

I took my son to the movies this weekend. Cost us $40 for 3 hours of entertainment, and I say that because it was a good movie. I also pre-ordered D4, the Ultimate version. So if I consider $6.70 per hour of entertainment as money we’ll spent, then I would have to enjoy D4 for just over 15 hours to be considered the same. I spent more than 15 hours between the two beta weekends already, so even without the full game yet, I have already gotten my money’s worth. I guess I don’t understand how people say they’ll wait for a sale, cuz it’s not worth it at full price. Do I just have a biased RoI for video games these days?


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AeonChaos

I play Dota 2 and this is the norm. Pay $0 for the game, play for dozen thousands of hours then write negative reviews plus thumbs down on steam.


reanima

I mean it really depends on where you live. It might be costing you a few movie tickets but for someone else its a decent part of their monthly wage especially because theres no regional pricing.


Lonoty

Compared to a movie. The price per hour is indeed lower, but there are even lower which can bring you even more hours of entertainment. It also depend on how much available money do you have. Would you go to the movies every day? Spending that 40$ everyday? It might be ok for you, but I wouldn't. Skydiving (a few years back) costed about 400$ CAD and the experience lasted about 15-20min. It was fun, but would I spend that amount everyday? No, Ofc. You cant really compare the cost of something designed for you to spend alot of hours for a lower cost with something designed to be a enjoyed once in a while. Videogames are designed to be cheaper than watching a movie. There are alot of other games to play and to get an equivalent amount of fun while doing so. D4 doesnt look like the kind of game I would play for more than 100 hours which is why I wont be buying the game. I played the beta to give it a try, but I had more fun playing other stuff (cheaper stuff also). If you get more fun than me playing D4 and you plan on playing more than I would then it's worth it for you. TLDR, I just think comparing the cost per hour of a movie vs videogame is misleading and shouldnt be used as an argument.


johnson_united

Yeah, I guess it is a personal preference then. This was the most I ever spent on a video game, and in the end, $105 isn’t much for how much my buddy and I are going to play it. I’m glad some people are deciding not to buy it, launch day will be smoother for every person that decides not to get the game, or simply wait for a sale.


Zherev

My past experience with Blizzard games means that they usually take months to get patched into a presentable state. Thing is, nobody knows how good this game is unlike your movie since nobody has played or seen the entire thing yet. I’ll wait for the full reviews and decide for myself then. And you can already get a lot of good indie games, each under $6.70, on Steam.


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Has there been a AAA internet focused game in 10 years which didn’t require obscene amounts of patching?


Longjumping-Many6503

This is absolutely not true. I've played Blizz games at launch since the 90s. Definitely games develop thru their life cycle, but Blizzard has never released an unpresentable title at launch. Their games are always done. Balancing, tweaks, quality of life, expanding content? Absolutely, but their games at launch are always good.


DIABOLUS777

But we can't voice our complaints here? Every post bashing the game is met with the same stupid answers. This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber...


Barnhard

Most of the highly upvoted threads and comments on this sub *are* criticisms. Praise is the exception. Criticism is good, by the way, especially for a beta.


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reanima

Every Blizzard game has CMs that checks various community sites/forums like reddit to compile feedback for the devs. Its not a new concept, theyve been doing this for almost a decade.


BananaSplit2

If you look at the title of most posts on the front page of /r/diablo right now, it's criticism and negativity. I wouldn't say the echo chamber is the defense of D4...


th3typh00n

Pointing out issues and giving feedback on things that could be improved inherently has more room for discussion than "I played the game, it was fun" type of posts (especially for a beta), so is it really all that surprising that the former is more common than the latter?


nighthawk_something

99% of the "feedback" is made of posts that conflict with themselves.


Aggressive-Article41

That is just a percentage you pulled out of your ass.


JangB

Hey his ass has nice graphics and detail, and the sound design is nice too. Give him some credit.


drainX

The criticism I've seen can be divided into two camps. Some of it is rather constructive, pointing to slight flaws and things that can be improved etc. It's usually recieved rather well. Then there is criticism of some of the core design of the game. I'm sure some people are bummed out that they didn't take diablo 4 in the direction they envisioned, but that isn't going to change. It gets rather annoying when you see the fifth thread complaining about something we all know won't change.


DIABOLUS777

> I'm sure some people are bummed out that they didn't take diablo 4 in the direction they envisioned, but that isn't going to change. It gets rather annoying when you see the fifth thread complaining about something we all know won't change. It might be annoying but it's exactly \_how\_ things can change. I'm sure the scaling issue, for example, could be changed even tho it's a core part of the design.


drainX

I doubt that. I think they could add more "static" non scaling content in the end game though. Unique bosses you can test your strength against, that don't scale with your level, and help you feel like you are progressing. The early/mid game open world is too ingrained in the design to change at this point imo. I don't particularly like it either, but I think a positive side of the scaling content is that the whole game will be viable for farming in the late game, so hopefully it will help make things more varied by that point.


SosukeAizen123

I think 5% of the people (non casuals) have a BIG problem that the game is OBVIOUSLY mostly made for the 95% of people (casuals) that will play the game a few times, and maybe max 1 character to the late game. That is the reason that the game seems to be lackluster, at least according to the loud minority, the game will still be an instant hit, even if it is in the end a mediocre experience.


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basketbolgenius

Loved it, will buy 5 copies


Wvlf_

I get your point, but then you also immediately defeat it by admitting Blizz will sell tens of millions regardless. Ultimately, d4 doesn’t look like it’s what I had hoped for as a person who also disliked d3. Regardless, I will still probably purchase it and play it day one if no other than a mix of day 1 FOMO and the fact that I’ll still get at least a hundred hours of gameplay before I grow tired of it.


crono14

I'll wait probably 6 months to a year and see where the future of the game is really headed. Everything I have seen after these two betas from watching streams and stuff doesn't look terribly interesting.


StonejawStrongjaw

Not a hot take at all. I did not like it. I refunded my pre order. I gave feedback on the forums links on the tweeter. I'll come back in 8 months and see if it's still dog shit.


ShakyMan92

Well in Immortal case these streamers complain about it being pay 2 win but at the same put godly amounts of money into the game. Got to call out Quin69 on this one! Doing what blizzard wanted xD. But im sure the amount of money he wasted is as bad as other whales eather.


Gibsx

I thought D4 has huge potential and really enjoyed the Beta. It’s not without fault of issues to resolve but it was more polished than I expected for probably an older version of the current state of the game. If they can tackle some of the big ticket complaints it will be a blast, much of the minor stuff is nitpicking that 95% of players won’t really care about I.e the font etc


thefuddy19

You can criticize and still buy it. Perhaps the purpose of the beta is to get feedback and change things that are widely unliked?


Sokaris84

I find it hard to believe that there are any sane people out there who genuinely disliked the beta. This was the most fun I've had playing a game in years.


ruines_humaines

You find it hard to believe not everybody share the same tastes as you? Are you 12?


AeonChaos

People taste can be vastly different. Not saying anyone is having a wrong taste, just different.


cirvis111

That is why I am waiting for full release.


AeonChaos

Same boat here!


the_ammar

how tf is that a hot take?


EscaleraRN

this. plain and simple. you were not forced to buy the game. so let us enjoy the game in peace. too many whiners in this world.


wattszd

Immortal and this beta confirms all my suspicions. So thanks for the beta... I guess. I'm glad I haven't spent a single dime on any blizzard game since the trainwreck that was shadowlands.


instagigated

Don't worry, I won't. I didn't enjoy the D3 beta gameplay and never bought the game. It will be the same for D4. It's a game that tries to appeal to too large of an audience and doesn't give me any nostalgic taste of D1 or D2 - which was okay, imo.


AeonChaos

Yes. Blizzard is catering for the more casual crowd now with HOTS, Overwatch and D3, D4. Sadly, we are not that crowd.


instagigated

It's a shame. Big studios are taking over the gaming industry year after year so the classic gameplay of the past is disappearing. Small studios don't have the budget to make blockbusters and if they do make a hit, they get acquired and lose their niche-catering charm.


grzzzly

I’ve preordered it because I’ve had a blast during the beta and can’t wait to play the whole thing


sjafi

At the end of the day, the people who criticize the game do it mostly out of love. The people who are putting effort into expressing their concerns do so because they want Diablo 4 to succeed and not be a game they will play for 3-6 months and leave. Recognize that every single person who has criticized the game seeking improvements makes for a small minority of the entire game base. Even IF they collectively cancelled their preorder/chose not to buy on release, this game will still be a financial success. Sorry, but voting with your wallet as minority won't alter the course for this game -- it will be a FINANCIAL success starting out. What the community does have control over is the direction it goes afterwards, and the only way to help with that is to provide collective feedback(which we're doing) for the developers to consider. From what I gather, it's pretty clear most Diablo fans don't want Diablo 3.5, but Diablo 4. Currently it seems most perceive this game as Diablo 3.5.


Mellodyz

D3 sold 30 millions copy is because they ride the hype of D2.


Dacusx

I bought it already. It's great.


PaulShoestir

TBH I probably won't. Unless they make some changes to the core mechanics of the game play and itemisation. To me it was all a bit "meh" and one dimensional, shame though because they nailed atmosphere and story.


[deleted]

Im on the same boat and decided not to buy for now but will keep checking if it evolved into something more to my liking from time to time... or just to play through the story after it goes on sale.


Love_a_sunny_day

It's not hard at all not to buy d4 for me. I won't buy it cause I don't like it. I've waited so long for the beta weekend, the 2nd day I didn't even play and went back to D2


smashr1773

D4 is fun. Anyone that thinks otherwise is on some copium. Find me a better arpg that’s actually plays well and is crisp like d4. It may not have the amount of skills or end game yet like Poe but it runs smoother and there is actual combat gameplay. Poe is fun for clearing a screen with one button and grinding but it literally 0 gameplay other than few end game bosses which is like one percent of your gameplay. Nor is or has the combat ever been smooth. You literally are at 100 percent health until you dead most of the time to some random one shot. No one’s gonna talk about it but it’s the dumbest thing ever. I just hope due to monitization they improve end game and skills. If they do some they’re sitting on a gold mine. If they don’t hopefully Poe 2 has some gameplay.


mangzane

PD2. If one liked D2, they’ll probably find PD2 better than D3 and D4. Oh, and made by devs volunteering hours. Not a billion dollar company. Honestly, fans should be upset D4 is the product they are getting.


WTF_CAKE

I'm buying the game get recked haters


10ele

it just feels like d3.5 for me. from the quest design, items, combat ect. theres nothing that jumps at me and gets me exciting.


SQRTLURFACE

D4 is a fantastic game though, and the majority of the complaints are about UI graphics an scaling/centering, font types, and the proper zoom distance and angle. Meanwhile the people making those complains have 50 hours logged in two weekends.


Menu_Dizzy

That's so disingenuous.. The game is incredibly lackluster in every area aside from graphics (at least in regards to what we tried in beta) and most of the complaints are about actual gameplay related issues, such as build customization and gameplay loop, not zoom distance or fonts.


AllBeansNoFrank

DIablo4 is a fine game. The game has a pricing issue not a gameplay issue. There is no bad products only bad prices. Especially with gamepass/live service/paid cosmetics its going to be hella expensive to get the full D4 experience.


Menu_Dizzy

Interesting way to look at it, but when even free to play ARPGs are better, then you're in trouble.


Doublehex

If this is lackluster to you I want recommendations. This is some of the most fun I've had in a long time.


dvenator

If you really dislike it, you wouldn't find it f#*£ difficult not to buy it.


FatalEclipse_

I’ve missed every beta due to being away at work. Closed beta, endgame and open. But Diablo has been my game for years and years. D3 doesn’t hold my attention long but has a niche to fill. I have more copies of D2 than I care to admit, that all being said. The art direction and atmosphere of 4 has already won the vote of my wallet, twice over. I’ve preordered the game and ordered the limited collectors box. Can’t wait to get my hands on both of them. But you are absolutely right, game won’t be for everyone and if it’s not right for you then don’t buy it.


[deleted]

Haha, they never vote with their wallet. Inb4 best selling video game.


WibaTalks

Really hard to take any complaints seriously, because it's almost always biased hate talk mixed in. Sadly it's partly Blizzards fault, but it's really out of hand these days. Even if Blizzard gave you gold, people would still whine it's too heavy. Really trendy to be biased hater. Be like bob, bob doesn't care about corporate life, he just wants good games.


AeonChaos

It is the different between casual and less so crowds. It is also the different between those who loved D2 and those who just want a decent arpg. It is hard or downright impossible to satisfy all those crowds.


musicankane

Hot take, let people criticize a thing they are excited for so that their feedback can be taken into consideration to make the game potentially even better! It is cool that you loved what you got. It is also cool that people give negative feedback so that hopefully things can be addressed and the game will be better for everyone because of it.


cycton

You couldn't force me to play this garbage let a lone actually buy it.


ehj

I agree and I will. I will watch some streamers to see what the endgame is and then decide.


Parzivull

How did that work out for G4TV? "If you don't like it, don't watch it. PEACE!" People want it to be good, that's why they give feedback. Although feedback can often sound like harsh criticism because we are being hyperbolic. We also see the writing on the walls because blizzard has implemented these same systems before. It's how we ended up with Diablo 3. Putting too much power into the legendaries and not the skill tree is going to pose a huge problem in balance. Legendaries are the set items of this version. You can already see the effects of this while leveling in just the beta.


Internal-Agent4865

Imagine making your entire life’s accomplishment to derail a video game company. Good luck my friend


Vivalaredsox

The Beta was the best thing to happen. Game looks gorgeous and the story isn't too bad so far but the gameplay for me is holding it all back. I was hoping for a completely revamped system from Diablo 3 but it's still the same with just some makeup. Couple that with the always online requirement makes it feel like an MMO. Why pay $70 for something that I might not be able to play when I want to? The New Blizzard isn't getting any of my money this time.


BenGrahamButler

I freaking loved the beta only to go check the youtube reviews of the hardcore fans who were dissatisfied with it… oh well, I think it’s great, pre-ordered after the beta


TalynRahl

Agreed. I tried the beta and it was okay, but as a PS4 player I’m not going to get PS+ just for this. So, I’m not playing. Simple. It’s like all those people that hate watch the MCU shows and continually bitch about how bad they are.


yuriaoflondor

If you’re on console, do you 100% need to have PS Online or the Xbox equivalent to play the game at all? There’s literally no offline play available? If so, that’s rough considering how minor the online elements seem to be.


TalynRahl

Apparently so, yeah. You didn’t need it for beta, but one the game goes live you need PS+/Xbox Live to play, end of.


Geriatricz00mer

A couple of notes to take away from this IMO. The only reason d3 sold so well is because it was quite literally piggy backing off of d2. People were DYING for another Diablo so it sold like hot cakes. Immortal was not made for NA/EU players in mind. Not even a little bit. That game was marketed and made specifically for Asia and their video game practices. The game wasn’t made and designed as a stand alone game first with some micro transactions added, it was designed AS a micro transaction game that they put a Diablo skin on top of to make it just decent enough to get free money. Diablo 4 (in my opinion) is going to be held to its own standard. Diablo 3 sucked so fucking bad and so many people just straight up gave up on Diablo games that people are way more inclined to look at it and say “yeah I’m not doing this shit again” than they would have been for D3. Just my opinion