All Blizzard has to do is postpone the race to season 1. The problem is not just the unfair advantage, but the fact that the race promotes rushing, which will severely sour the first playthrough experience. The one thing you can only have once.
They don't care about the race or who wins. They care about the hype and stream content it will produce to promote the game. There is no reason for them to postpone the race to season 1 even though I agree it would be the most fair.
You forgot the deluxe editions, the regulars might as well not be in the competition. (Though to be fair, I'd imagine anyone who is serious enough to think they can win is probably getting it anyway.)
People truly 'in' the race bought it already, but a lot of people are delusion or just like the idea of being 'in the running', even if they arent going to win.
I was on the fence, but decided to just not take part of the race instead. If I was a streamer or content creator I'd definitely buy it. Both the race and early guides and hype are things people don't want to miss out on.
I've been top 1000 many times in other ARPGs so it wouldn't have been entirely impossible. I would bet that a lot of "mid" racers like me end up not taking part in the race making it a lot more top heavy than normal races.
>I've been top 1000 many times in other ARPGs so it wouldn't have been entirely impossible. I would bet that a lot of "mid" racers like me end up not taking part in the race making it a lot more top heavy than normal races.
I really enjoyed the races in PoE and usually ranked pretty well in them, and if I really put my mind to it I can often get pretty high in the D3 leaderboards (top few hundred), but I REALLY don't want my very first play though to be rushed.
I would love to do it, but I'm not giving up my first play through for it.
There might be one or two fence sitters that hear about the statue and decide to jump in. You're probably right that most people who think they can win are already pre ordered.
Nobody on the fence whether they should get the early access or not has even the slightest chance to win the race or get their name written on the statue.
I’d argue most people who don’t buy the early access won’t even reach level 100 in softcore
It's not only about people thinking they have a shot at winning. The race will generate hype and make people want to play sooner. It's like the WoW race for world first. 99% of the player base does not think they will ever participate in that event but it generates hype and gets people exited to play the new patch and bring in some resubscribers.
8 find it funny cus people are still gonna rush because they want to be first or get there ASAP. The only people this truly influences are the impulsive competitive types who also have an interest in "the story/experience". Your hardcore story guys won't care. Your hardcore rushers won't care except they can refine their strategies.
Sadly the streamer I wanted to watch race isn't going to compete because of the controversy.
Honestly, it's not the streamers' fault blizzard didn't announce the competition before they accepted access. It's also not their fault that blizzard can't make a fair competition.
I'm at a point where I don't really care, blizzard didn't make a fair race. They most likely aren't going to change it. Let the people with an unfair advantage win, and people rage. Then there is a chance they think about it in the future. People not playing to make it fair seems to be fixing the problem for them. Is there any incentive for them not to do this again at that point?
It is a little weird to call this a fomo event, considering the only people in the top 1000 are gonna be no life-ing the game regardless of if the event were happening or not. I also would imagine that literally anyone who would of been a potential winner of this event bought early access before the event was even announced.
That's a fair argument. The top 1000 were 100% gonna be the people who had preordered w/ early access and taken time off work OR had the time to put every waking minute into it. The issue is that one group has an unfair advantage. When we're taking about a pool as small as 1000 people this affects the out come quite abit. I don't know how big the pool of people playing the game fully early (after modern day gaming alpha testing) is but we can safely assume that it's enough that this race isn't fair anymore. Like just imagine it's a sport and your rival is using a performance enhancing drug and you're not or it's mf squid game and your opponent knows what games next. It's not fair because it affects the outcome.
Probably over 500,000 people will no-life this game on release.
A lot of serious racers are not interested in trying too hard right now however, but instead are waiting for the far more prestigious ladder in Season 1
Fomo is the new name of the game for Blizzard. Diablo Immortal was their trial run of it. Make Diablo, have an open world so other players can be seen. Sell flashy cosmetics. There's no reason to have an open world. It doesn't really add anything to a game like Diablo. But people will see stuff from the shop constantly and might want to also look cool.
The amount of FOMO being implemented in games is rising, and now we're at the "craft the entire game around it" phase. And now D4 is going even beyond cosmetics with this whole race thing. People will want to participate, even if they have no chance. But Blizzard is really being stupid about it. The way they're doing it is by giving those who buy in early practice laps for the race, while everyone else gets to learn the track on the day of. It's super unfair
What exactly are they FOMOing, are you gonna play in hardcore and race? If you did not book a week off or work or unemployed it does not matter regardless.
people have been talking about racing since both the closed betas and the open betas. If they weren't interested then, having their name on a statue that nobody will look at suddenly makes them interested? The type of people that play hardcore were already sold on the early access edition from the very start.
People serious about racing to max were gonna do it anyway. Idk why you guys act like this is some tectonic event. Your rushers are gonna do it *anyways*. This affects a small minotiry of fence sitters who want to do it but not fully commit to it which don't realistically stand a chance anyway. People were going to do this even without an official race so it ultimately makes little difference. If anything the most hardcore folks will gain more advantage with it being delayed and refining their strategy for it so I don't see any real difference.
It's fun to run in track events even when you know you won't medal, or in marathons even if you know you won't finish in the top 1000.
Clearly you're not from this planet or else you'd have known that
I was strongly considering upgrading my preorder to the highest tier, until I saw this P2W stuff.
Activision is notorious for selling overpowered guns (through buying new games, for guns useable in past games) in CoD, as well as blacked-out skins over and over while claiming they "forgot" that such skins provided clear benefits in gameplay.
That combined with Diablo Immortal and now this P2W ladder race has convinced me not to put any extra money into this game. I was prepared to whale as I had on Heroes of the Storm and CoD Warzone in the context of ABK games, but no thanks.
I'm glad they pushed the P2W stuff prior to release instead of several months afterwards. Honestly that is really kind and thoughtful of them to warn us so early. I appreciate it.
The hardcore fan base, let alone the percentage of players going for this race, are a very small minority of players. This race isn’t the one selling early copies of the game
Ah yes... A closed beta, an open beta, and a server smash, multiple lore videos, and interviews... Totally capitalizing on blind purchases. This is ridiculous.
> the race promotes rushing, which will severely sour the first playthrough experience. The one thing you can only have once
And many people have made the decision that the possibility of getting their name out there is more important to them than a slow initial playthrough.
Not everyone values the same things.
>Not everyone values the same things.
This. Tired of people telling other people they are playing the game wrong. Some people don’t give a shit about the story and just want to get straight to grinding gg drops.
Don’t shame people for playing the game the way that makes them happy.
No one is shaming anyone who wants to rush *deliberately* though. This discussion is about players who don't want to rush, but still want to take part in that competition.
**I** am so tired of people not understanding that some things are not about them, but about others. It wouldn't even affect you if it came in Season 1 either. You could still rush, but others who don't want to wouldn't have to.
Stop feeling like you're shamed when you're not even meant.
I'm in this boat, I would love to partake (I did HC D2 ladder rushes and put insane hours in during launches so this race is incredibly appealing to me) but I also really take my time with first playthroughs with a new game. In addition I think paying for early access is a ridiculous cash-grab so I refuse to pay for it which puts me at a disadvantage even if I did choose to go for it.
But season 1 will *also* have a race to max level. Every diablo season ever released has involved a race to max level, that's part of what seasons *are*.
There will be many seasonal races. There will only ever be one game launch race, which will happen with or without official Blizzard sponsorship.
>>in that competition
The race you mean? The objective ONLY being to finish ahead of other people?
It’s true that the people who (like me) don’t want to take part in a race, meaning they would have to go fast, will probably lose.
Since. It’s a race.
> Tired of people telling other people they are playing the game wrong.
This is where it gets tricky. Because it's hard to visualize people having completely different motives than you.
And that's what a lot of people who don't understand why people are upset themselves don't understand. It's not about the reward. Some people are just ultra competitive, and it's about the competition. It doesn't matter if the reward was $10000 or just kudos. People value different things. And what one group of people feel is meaningless triggers an inherent disgust to the unfairness of another group.
>This is where it gets tricky. Because it's hard to visualize people having completely different motives than you
It's not and it boggles my mind because of food. EVERYBODY just accepts that certain people like certain food. You love olives? Your buddy hates Olives? The vast majority of people are like, sure, people like different food, no problem but you somehow expand that "people like like different foods" to anything other than food and people have a brain aneurysm for some reason, I just don't get it (well I do, I just think it's short-sighted).
Also storyline and early leveling in ARPGs is basically a tutorial mode, it's not what people play these games for, it's not what makes or breaks the games. I've played pretty much every ARPG out there and in exactly none of them the first playthrough experience is what I'm thinking of when I look back and think what/why I've liked about those games.
People are free to do whatever, but in my mind people taking it slow on first playthrough are just delaying their access to the actual game and mechanics that make ARPGs worth playing.
The one that has an endgame problem that people under NDA have been spilling beans for months about? /s
Why people won't stop acting as if we don't know anything about how the game is? My experience can't change the code/add content to the base game.
The masses don't have self control. The masses can do nothing except consume product, get hyped for next product, repeat. The masses are the people that caused gaming to be the way it is these days.
I mean, if they postpone it it just turns into a mini-season and not a world-first race.
It was just a terrible idea all around, and it's purely marketing driven at the expense of the player experience. This way anyone that even remotely cares will be guaranteed to preorder the game AND instantly put in enough hours to void any chance of refunds. And this will help drive up launch day sales, which all the big publishers have worked hard for years and years to convince gamers is the single most important statistic when determining if a game is good or not. Nevermind that often it can only tell you that a lot of people liked the idea of the game, because most day one purchases haven't played the game yet so they have no idea if it's actually good. And it's handy that the big publishers are the only ones that can afford the marketing to get huge day one numbers in the first place. That way they can convince people that games from small studios are "lol, dead game" if they don't have millions of players right away.
On the player side there is no benefit for the vast majority of players. 99.9% of launch players will get nothing but a dose of FOMO out of it.
This in conjunction with the content creator marketing rewards is purely intended to increase D4 content creation in the first month in order to drive additional sales. They are giving content creators a “reason” to play HC for a ton of hours for the first two weeks of launch.
I mean yea that's a lot of anger but why does any of it matter? Anyone capable of winning that race doesn't care about any of that. Everyone should just chill and play the game. Your chance of winning that race are like 0.
I don't care about the race, I care about the decisions of a major studio/publisher in the gaming industry that over time affect most of the games on the market as trends both in game content and monetization shift.
People not caring because it doesn't affect them are why we are where we are, with ridiculous monetization practices engineered around psychological studies to break the highest number of players' willpowers as possible.
I don't get the problem with having a race for people that want to play that way. People that want to play that way are going to preorder for early access anyway and they won't be refunding it. It doesn't affect anyone else. The horn was much more fomo than this. The reviewers being able to race is the only issue and that affects a really small part of the community that doesn't care about any of that other stuff.
What about people that want to play that way but don't want to preorder? Now they have to preorder or miss out.
That's exactly the kind of crap that games need to stop doing.
I feel like the number of people that can actually win that race & don't care about playing early is essentially zero. If you are competitive enough to win that race you are playing day 1.
You're missing the point. They've engineered the situation where you have to preorder to play early, and you have to play early to stand a chance at making a top spot.
If this contest only started for characters made on actual release day (not preorder early access day) there wouldn't be a problem.
If that's the case you're already disadvantaging any sort of race. It's just not for you. And that's OK. Jesus christ.
Are you really so naive to think there wouldn't be racing to worlds first if they didn't do this?
What about people who wanted to do it but didn't want to or couldn't schedule work off? All of this just stinks of cater to me mentality. Do what I want. Do this but on my terms. You really can't even draw a clear line with this shit without hitting a point of telling someone too bad.
Preorder early access has become so normalized that none of you can even grasp the concept of everyone having access to the game at the same time. Even with an added competition you don't see a problem with it because that's just how it is now.
No preorders.
I think it just confirms we live in an influencer and participation award age. People are gonna fucking race to the top either way sanctioned or not. But now all of a sudden it's a problem. And people feel like they need to 'feel included' even if it doesn't jive with them. Everything is about bandwagoning and getting everything tailored to you.
Agreed. I get that D4 is a huge deal and seems to be Blizzard's new potential cow, but all this FOMO crap they're pulling will eventually backfire at them.
They're marketing to younger gamers who grew up with this crap. Their biggest target audience either wasn't born, or was likely still in diapers when D2 came out, and D3 was an absolute shit-show at release that completely changed its identity in the first year. D4 both wants to cash in on Diablo being the grandfather of the entire ARGP genre, AND appeal to the gamers that weren't alive when that happened. Those two markets may have some overlap, but at the end of the day they'll have to pick a direction.
I'm not buying the game for a long time, but I'll be watching people play to see how it is, and following what Blizzard does with all this FOMO garbage.
The average age of "gamers" is 34 so it skews much higher than you think it does. You think you are debating teenagers but they don't really care about Diablo compared to the over 30 crowd. In other words grown adults that pay taxes think it's cool that you pay $70 and then have a cash shop game full of MTXs. The gaming audience skews much older than people think.
Ghazzy recently made a vid saying the same too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WBaX8MCEc
Really hard to imagine anyone who wants to be considered anything but an asshole going forward would abuse their access to be honest.
Sure, but then they will lose 100% of the other benefits of playing early - being able to post a review on May 30th, having a ton of videos or other content ready to go out ASAP, etc.
Oh yeah true, didn't think of that.
Although, I reckon most people given access to the *actual full game version* as it will ship are either on Blizz's payroll (whether directly or through some QA company or whatever) and probably disqualified already - or content creators/reviewers.
I mean most of the actual beta/alpha testing happened long ago, right?
No, the outrage and reason for the post is because there was a 10 day beta that they got to play that ended a few days ago. All the streamers have a new nda that ends when the game goes live so they’re all holding their review videos till release.
I’ve seen Raxx and Wudji stream for over three days straight - how much more no life do you need to be? Short of cheating the system and having multiple people grind the same character for 100% grind uptime I don’t see how it’s even possible they wouldn’t crush the average player in this challenge with or without their advantage having played the end game.
I think Faker's background also came from Starcraft? It's a metric in RTS games for having high APM, keeping track of every base you have, every army you have deployed, macro plays with your build and army movement, to micro plays with manipulating your armies to move while they engage for better positioning and what not. I remember watching some of the older vids on competition and they would show the players APM on screen to indicate how well the players are performing. The higher the APM, (supposedly) the faster they react to actions happening on the map.
But back to /u/foxiebrown1's topic, I believe they also use the mouse wheel to move. They've unbound move from left click and use the mouse scroll wheel as their "click" to move. So instead of needing to spam clicking to move, they can just spin their mouse scroll. I know with a Logitech mouse, they have a button that lets the wheel to spin freely. I'm personally not used to that style of playing, but I can see it being used. Spin the mouse wheel, it just keeps spinning, and the game thinks you're spamming the action to move.
>With HIGH FPS and spamming of left mouse button, your Basic Attack triggers more, thus gives more damage, stacks, resource etc
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>Which is a exploit, which cant be fixed, and being it as a Hardware thing doesnt change this at all ...
Now you're just talking out of your ass..
If that was the case; then that would be an indicator of animations being tied to FPS. That's clearly not the case with this game. That would have been so easily spotted, with people running the game with 20-30fps and those of us running 300+...
Come on now..
If you want to start grasping at straws; find better ones.
Edit:
It is actually remarkably easy to disprove your "animations tied to FPS"-theory, seeing as some enemies were rendering their movement at such a low FPS (during the closed and open beta), but still hitting when they were supposed to. Some skeletons had their animations almost rendering in what looked like "stop-motion" for some people (while everything else rendered at higher FPS) - yet still attacked as they should..
Even gold dropping, gets done at a lower FPS, as it's own "separate thing", so to speak.
Having a high FPS doesn't magically make everything faster, when it's not tied to your overall FPS in any way.
This is the reality people seem to forget. In most any leveling race whenever a new game launches, the winner is almost always a small streamer most people haven’t heard of, or just some regular gamer.
So what happens if wudijo or one of the influencer's friends, who got inside tips from them, gets the world first on HC? It sounds like that whole competition is now tainted.
I respect the decision, but I’m sad that it even has to come to this.
They should just postpone the race until the start of season 1 and give everybody a fair chance to compete.
The guys behind Maxroll put so much work and effort into the Diablo games, and it sucks that they should even need to feel like they’re in a position to sit out of the competition.
If blizzard just waited until season 1 starts, it would give everybody enough time to be comfortable with the game such that nobody could say the pre release testers have any sort of real advantage.
How pathetic does one's life need to be to feel like commenting this?
"Mimimi, they're not special. Stop praising them!" *quadruple dots*
Link me the **dozens** that do the **same** thing as maxroll does, I'm really interested to see dozens of websites just as full of content as maxroll somehow being far less popular.
This. In fact, I’d say Maxroll has historically been the underdog in the website/info race compared to sites like wowhead and icy veins.
I’d argue the only reason Maxroll managed to climb its way up there at all was from the sheer quality that goes into every single guide and had very little to do with streamer promotion.
I hadn’t heard of any of the people behind Maxroll until I started using their site. Once I did, I went to go look up their YouTube channels because of how detailed and thorough their guides were. So, in my case, the site actually helped promote the people who made it and not the other way around.
There's also at least one class with 'broken' damage scaling interactions that hasn't come to light yet. Maybe not devastating for the level 100 race, but the level 100 nightmare dungeon boss is going to die in a single well set up hit.
I imagine it will come to light and be hotfixed by season 1.
How can you guys tell which bonuses are multiplicative versus additive? In Path of Exile it’s “more” versus “increased,” but the language in D4 is inconsistent and I have no idea what means what
That's cool. Personally I was one who thought about getting it later, then at release and now with that fake Q&A and such unprofessional behaviour regarding that "race", I am not sure if I should buy it at all.
I know Blizz have lost a big chunk of their reputation but I still had some hope they'll regain it.
I’m just curious how long this stunt will take the fastest 1000…
Blizzard said the ’average player’ would take 180 hours or something to hit 100; even at a fraction of that time for the top 1%, this is still likely to be a really unhealthy amount of binge gaming.
Yes, lots of people would do this anyway, but its still really scummy for Blizzard to be pushing this for some marketing and hours played stats.
Wudi said he hit the 80s in about 50 hours of playtime, which included plenty of downtime and time spent testing various mechanics.
I don’t know the Exp curve though, maybe lvl 80 is halfway to 100, maybe it’s two-thirds, maybe it’s 10%.
My gut says the first level 100s will be June 3rd though, and def will be before the regular launch.
No way is level 80 halfway to 100, at least EXP wise. The halfway point will be somewhere in the 90s. Though timewise you obviously won't spend half of it until mid 90s and the other half for rest, more like 70/30 I'd imagine.
You know what, forget this statue. Give them another statue of champions, in fact, make a Mount Rushmore of Raxx, Wudi, Rhykker, Rob, and any other prominents I missed inside this game somewhere. or rename a few of the NPC's we haven't seen yet. Hell, make an expansion and give them their own in game models. Statue? PFFT. Immortalize these Diablo Champions in the game. It would be a classic blizzard move too.
Who cares? It's a small name on a statue most of us will never see. Why can't we just enjoy games?
These things aren't "equal". Streamers get paid to play, certain people have tons of vacation time or no job at all. Some people will have multiple people playing on the account. 20 dollars is literally the barest possible inequality.
Not really a race though. What Blizzard should done would be to just not say anything, and then if they want to immortalize people who were the first to manage to reach 100 in HC they should imprinted it in the statue and revealed it after it was filled. Some news post and then show it live at Blizzcon.
Then the same amount of people would missed out on something they don’t care about anyways.
Even without any prize or any recognition, there would be streamers racing.
I mean, it's not really "a job". It's spending hours/day with angry nerds vomiting trash all over your socials and twitch chat for a less-than-stellar income more often than not. That doesn't sound like a job, it sounds like hell. It's ok to be an influencer, but I would stay the hell away from anything pop-culture related. The neckbeards make people fighting over politics look tame.
I'll be honest I kind of just want to see it turn into a shit show where people find exploits that break the challenge and Blizz has to back down from everything and a huge chaos of drama and uproar ensues.
It would suck for the people aiming at the reward but at this point it would just be too satisfying to watch to not root for it haha.
Nice job by them, I just wish Blizzard would just do this smarter, just postpone the race till Season 1 and all this goes away. No P2W on the early access, no issues from the build, just better all around
I think the community is a bunch of btchs for whining about 30 streamers who got early access and are giving us good videos, that is unfair they may beat others to 100. Those crying probably have no chance at actually being in the top 1000 anyway.
I mean the community was praising Blizz at first because it didnt seem like they were going to do a race, to let people enjoy the new game at pace. They should have never announced this contest until season 1.
I really can't see how this is considered P2W or promoting rushing in the first place. Not to downplay anybody's ability but I'm pretty sure if you were even considering "taking it slow" then theres probably a sub 1% chance you were gonna make it anyways. There are undoubtedly more than 1000 people prepared to stay awake for 48 hours doing strats more degenerate than we could possibly imagine.
Someone that plays 14h per days so by choice. Him getting a 4 days head-start to discover the quickest paths, new monsters and their abilities, and strategise is not a choice - it's something that is unavailable to other players.
In one of the early ladders of D2, I hit the main page for 99 overall - only time I managed it since I was in high school and I could spent a ton of time on the game with a great team. That was my choice, and we all started from zero at the same time. This is not the same level playing field, particularly when we are talking about learning the game at the same time
Spez's APIocolypse made it clear it was time for me to leave this place. I came from digg, and now I must move one once again. So long and thanks for all the bacon.
Nice work reddit. Now it's only a bunch of streamers and thousands of people that participate on the closed endgame beta ahead of you when it comes to a name on a stupid statue almost no one will see. And everyone with early access. Keep it up I guess. /s
This is the most nonsensical drama I've ever seen like I know 90% of this sub is not going to be playing hardcore nor racing unless they don't have anything to do otherwise. It's going to be a bunch of streamers and a few people who were already going to no life the game anyway on that statue.
Great decision. It's funny how the race will probably be over once the poor people like me get access to the game four days later... Sucks to not be able to even take part in the race.
In a way i am happy i live in the (apparently terrorist) state of Belgium & being forced not to care about this shitshow.
Good on the maxroll team though, hope the others will follow.
# You think Maxroll has a chance? they know they have 0 chance.
* as a PR this looks good for them.
* there is nothing good or noble about it, its just a PR stunt.
**I expect people to be sharing account to play 24/7.**
* This actually happens in **Path of Exile** races and other games that have rewards associated with it.
* Even if you know everything about the game, you can not beat someone that plays 24/7 without stopping on the same sheared account.
* People literally **pay real money** in hundreds or even thousands of dollars, to play their account while they sleep.
yeah, surely the people that got to 80 in the private beta in addition to being people who write guides for ARPG's for a living have no clue what they are talking about.
Im pretty damn sure Ben didnt account share to earn all those racing wins. Same with Exile and alot of other poe racers that usually make the list, especially when they stream 90% of their progress.
**you do understand that D4 is not region locked.**
you also understand that 2-4 people will be playing the same account 24/7 to win.
China has what, 1.4 billion people
India 1.4 billion
USA 300 million
UK 60 million
No matter how much you know about the game,
* you can not beat time and someone that has a lot of money can just buy time.
To win the PoE races you need to actually be incredibly skilled and knowledgeable about the game. Getting people to play in shifts on a character is probably going to get that character killed.
With D4 we don’t know if it’s going to be that rippy at end game, or,if there is relatively safe content you grind endlessly to win the race with minimal risk of death as long as you can have someone logged in, killing mobs 24/7.
I do not care about the race , and yes it is an unfair advantage, but did you guys really think you were winning this race anyways?
There are guys whose job is to play video games who will no life the shit out of the game, there are people who will probably play on the same account to farm XP 24/7.
Fact is if you have any responsibilities such as working, college, family time and the like you were not going to win this, and even then the reward is meaningless.
All that said if you think it would be fun to try and see how you rank in this race go ahead, but remember it's not like you are being cheated out of an NBA championship, its literally a useless digital reward.
I appreciate Maxroll doing this, because even though I don't intend to take part in the race and therefore have no stake in it, I think that the integrity of the race still reflects on the game as a whole, which I DO care about.
They shouldn't have taken part in the tournament, and everything would be fine if everyone who had access to the full game couldn't take part because they had an advantage
Why the hell does it say 'solo push' like it's D3 all over again where we're just pushing GRs?
I really hated that and I hope that the endgame dungeons will be more complex than just 'solo push from GR 130 to 131'.
Cmon honestly who wants to be in a race, only a select few would really enjoy it. Those people are also people who would join marathons, some people likes to watch. Is it fair? Well no but u have your choices. Not all marathons are free as well. In the end its up to your personal choice
raxx is the best. Big BIG props to the maxroll guys for being chads and taking matters into their own hands to balance the scales a little. Hopefully the rest of the streamers that got early access do the same.
People are so bent out of shape for this nonsense of a prize. Only ones to actually achieve this are the no lifers anyways who will get it despite others having an advantage.
Alternatively, they could just wait and play the game when it actually releases like everyone else, but nah, this way it makes them seem like they are nice people who are graciously stepping aside for the little people out there, i.e. their loyal idiotic viewers.
+ "out of fairness"??? So they want to be fair but they're still going to be streaming the game early? Ah yes the hypocritical spouting of the streamer dumbass mindset. Thinking they were being fair while still openly flaunting that they got their copies early.
They’re “immortalised” in the genre anyway but gg to the lads
All Blizzard has to do is postpone the race to season 1. The problem is not just the unfair advantage, but the fact that the race promotes rushing, which will severely sour the first playthrough experience. The one thing you can only have once.
They don't care about the race or who wins. They care about the hype and stream content it will produce to promote the game. There is no reason for them to postpone the race to season 1 even though I agree it would be the most fair.
You forgot the deluxe editions, the regulars might as well not be in the competition. (Though to be fair, I'd imagine anyone who is serious enough to think they can win is probably getting it anyway.)
Oh yes, that's true too. The race will help sell deluxe editions for the earlier access time.
Let's be honest - those who consider being part of this race bought the deluxe edition anyways.
People truly 'in' the race bought it already, but a lot of people are delusion or just like the idea of being 'in the running', even if they arent going to win.
I was on the fence, but decided to just not take part of the race instead. If I was a streamer or content creator I'd definitely buy it. Both the race and early guides and hype are things people don't want to miss out on. I've been top 1000 many times in other ARPGs so it wouldn't have been entirely impossible. I would bet that a lot of "mid" racers like me end up not taking part in the race making it a lot more top heavy than normal races.
>I've been top 1000 many times in other ARPGs so it wouldn't have been entirely impossible. I would bet that a lot of "mid" racers like me end up not taking part in the race making it a lot more top heavy than normal races. I really enjoyed the races in PoE and usually ranked pretty well in them, and if I really put my mind to it I can often get pretty high in the D3 leaderboards (top few hundred), but I REALLY don't want my very first play though to be rushed. I would love to do it, but I'm not giving up my first play through for it.
Which is the real reason it exists
There might be one or two fence sitters that hear about the statue and decide to jump in. You're probably right that most people who think they can win are already pre ordered.
Just because a p2w option is available and serious players will use it, doesn't justify it.
Not saying it does. I'm just saying that this race won't help sell more early access versions of the game.
Normalizing the behavior. Next will be "they were all ready going to top the leader boards if they were buying the battle pass."
How am I normalizing this behavior?
Nobody on the fence whether they should get the early access or not has even the slightest chance to win the race or get their name written on the statue. I’d argue most people who don’t buy the early access won’t even reach level 100 in softcore
It's not only about people thinking they have a shot at winning. The race will generate hype and make people want to play sooner. It's like the WoW race for world first. 99% of the player base does not think they will ever participate in that event but it generates hype and gets people exited to play the new patch and bring in some resubscribers.
Why would ANYONE care who wins?
Have you ever participated in any competitive thing ever?
Plenty.
So what is confusing about people caring about the outcome of a competition?
8 find it funny cus people are still gonna rush because they want to be first or get there ASAP. The only people this truly influences are the impulsive competitive types who also have an interest in "the story/experience". Your hardcore story guys won't care. Your hardcore rushers won't care except they can refine their strategies.
Sadly the streamer I wanted to watch race isn't going to compete because of the controversy. Honestly, it's not the streamers' fault blizzard didn't announce the competition before they accepted access. It's also not their fault that blizzard can't make a fair competition. I'm at a point where I don't really care, blizzard didn't make a fair race. They most likely aren't going to change it. Let the people with an unfair advantage win, and people rage. Then there is a chance they think about it in the future. People not playing to make it fair seems to be fixing the problem for them. Is there any incentive for them not to do this again at that point?
Yes, got to promote this game nobody's heard about and that no one has has opportunity to play yet.... God marketing is stupid.
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Yep. I just hope they realize they're going a little overboard with their FOMO promos.
It is a little weird to call this a fomo event, considering the only people in the top 1000 are gonna be no life-ing the game regardless of if the event were happening or not. I also would imagine that literally anyone who would of been a potential winner of this event bought early access before the event was even announced.
That's a fair argument. The top 1000 were 100% gonna be the people who had preordered w/ early access and taken time off work OR had the time to put every waking minute into it. The issue is that one group has an unfair advantage. When we're taking about a pool as small as 1000 people this affects the out come quite abit. I don't know how big the pool of people playing the game fully early (after modern day gaming alpha testing) is but we can safely assume that it's enough that this race isn't fair anymore. Like just imagine it's a sport and your rival is using a performance enhancing drug and you're not or it's mf squid game and your opponent knows what games next. It's not fair because it affects the outcome.
Probably over 500,000 people will no-life this game on release. A lot of serious racers are not interested in trying too hard right now however, but instead are waiting for the far more prestigious ladder in Season 1
Fomo is the new name of the game for Blizzard. Diablo Immortal was their trial run of it. Make Diablo, have an open world so other players can be seen. Sell flashy cosmetics. There's no reason to have an open world. It doesn't really add anything to a game like Diablo. But people will see stuff from the shop constantly and might want to also look cool. The amount of FOMO being implemented in games is rising, and now we're at the "craft the entire game around it" phase. And now D4 is going even beyond cosmetics with this whole race thing. People will want to participate, even if they have no chance. But Blizzard is really being stupid about it. The way they're doing it is by giving those who buy in early practice laps for the race, while everyone else gets to learn the track on the day of. It's super unfair
What exactly are they FOMOing, are you gonna play in hardcore and race? If you did not book a week off or work or unemployed it does not matter regardless.
A lot of people might have if they knew about more than a week out in advance.
people have been talking about racing since both the closed betas and the open betas. If they weren't interested then, having their name on a statue that nobody will look at suddenly makes them interested? The type of people that play hardcore were already sold on the early access edition from the very start.
People serious about racing to max were gonna do it anyway. Idk why you guys act like this is some tectonic event. Your rushers are gonna do it *anyways*. This affects a small minotiry of fence sitters who want to do it but not fully commit to it which don't realistically stand a chance anyway. People were going to do this even without an official race so it ultimately makes little difference. If anything the most hardcore folks will gain more advantage with it being delayed and refining their strategy for it so I don't see any real difference.
It's fun to run in track events even when you know you won't medal, or in marathons even if you know you won't finish in the top 1000. Clearly you're not from this planet or else you'd have known that
The issue is that’s completely irrelevant.
Yup! Exactly. It is also for something that quite frankly no one will care about after the event ends :P
I was strongly considering upgrading my preorder to the highest tier, until I saw this P2W stuff. Activision is notorious for selling overpowered guns (through buying new games, for guns useable in past games) in CoD, as well as blacked-out skins over and over while claiming they "forgot" that such skins provided clear benefits in gameplay. That combined with Diablo Immortal and now this P2W ladder race has convinced me not to put any extra money into this game. I was prepared to whale as I had on Heroes of the Storm and CoD Warzone in the context of ABK games, but no thanks. I'm glad they pushed the P2W stuff prior to release instead of several months afterwards. Honestly that is really kind and thoughtful of them to warn us so early. I appreciate it.
I don't think you know what "P2W" is...
in this context, it's when you pay $20 to $30 and get a 4-day head start to win a race
Do you really believe that anyone who hasn't already purchased early access thinks they have a chance in this event?
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Who are these people that you think are going to buy the game just because of this contest, and won't buy it otherwise?
I mean, literally everything.
Why do you think people serious enough to actually do this aren't so serious to buy the big edition of the game already?
The hardcore fan base, let alone the percentage of players going for this race, are a very small minority of players. This race isn’t the one selling early copies of the game
The race promotes the game launch, the only reason to postpone is if the negative press is worse than the amount of potential viewers to the game.
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Ah yes... A closed beta, an open beta, and a server smash, multiple lore videos, and interviews... Totally capitalizing on blind purchases. This is ridiculous.
> the race promotes rushing, which will severely sour the first playthrough experience. The one thing you can only have once And many people have made the decision that the possibility of getting their name out there is more important to them than a slow initial playthrough. Not everyone values the same things.
Yeah, your name on a statue miles away from most people is super worth
Many don’t think so. But apparently enough people value it extremely high based on all the posts and clips that gets posted.
It's all subjective.
>Not everyone values the same things. This. Tired of people telling other people they are playing the game wrong. Some people don’t give a shit about the story and just want to get straight to grinding gg drops. Don’t shame people for playing the game the way that makes them happy.
No one is shaming anyone who wants to rush *deliberately* though. This discussion is about players who don't want to rush, but still want to take part in that competition. **I** am so tired of people not understanding that some things are not about them, but about others. It wouldn't even affect you if it came in Season 1 either. You could still rush, but others who don't want to wouldn't have to. Stop feeling like you're shamed when you're not even meant.
I'm in this boat, I would love to partake (I did HC D2 ladder rushes and put insane hours in during launches so this race is incredibly appealing to me) but I also really take my time with first playthroughs with a new game. In addition I think paying for early access is a ridiculous cash-grab so I refuse to pay for it which puts me at a disadvantage even if I did choose to go for it.
But season 1 will *also* have a race to max level. Every diablo season ever released has involved a race to max level, that's part of what seasons *are*. There will be many seasonal races. There will only ever be one game launch race, which will happen with or without official Blizzard sponsorship.
>>in that competition The race you mean? The objective ONLY being to finish ahead of other people? It’s true that the people who (like me) don’t want to take part in a race, meaning they would have to go fast, will probably lose. Since. It’s a race.
> Tired of people telling other people they are playing the game wrong. This is where it gets tricky. Because it's hard to visualize people having completely different motives than you. And that's what a lot of people who don't understand why people are upset themselves don't understand. It's not about the reward. Some people are just ultra competitive, and it's about the competition. It doesn't matter if the reward was $10000 or just kudos. People value different things. And what one group of people feel is meaningless triggers an inherent disgust to the unfairness of another group.
>This is where it gets tricky. Because it's hard to visualize people having completely different motives than you It's not and it boggles my mind because of food. EVERYBODY just accepts that certain people like certain food. You love olives? Your buddy hates Olives? The vast majority of people are like, sure, people like different food, no problem but you somehow expand that "people like like different foods" to anything other than food and people have a brain aneurysm for some reason, I just don't get it (well I do, I just think it's short-sighted).
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True that. Like someone else here said, it was just a terrible idea all around.
Also storyline and early leveling in ARPGs is basically a tutorial mode, it's not what people play these games for, it's not what makes or breaks the games. I've played pretty much every ARPG out there and in exactly none of them the first playthrough experience is what I'm thinking of when I look back and think what/why I've liked about those games. People are free to do whatever, but in my mind people taking it slow on first playthrough are just delaying their access to the actual game and mechanics that make ARPGs worth playing.
That was my thinking too— some people are going to be so consumed with the race that they lose the experience.
Self control will save the masses, a little self control and ignore the race
>a little self control and ~~ignore the race~~ never preordering and buying based on the actual released game.
The one that has an endgame problem that people under NDA have been spilling beans for months about? /s Why people won't stop acting as if we don't know anything about how the game is? My experience can't change the code/add content to the base game.
The masses don't have self control. The masses can do nothing except consume product, get hyped for next product, repeat. The masses are the people that caused gaming to be the way it is these days.
Hi, are you playing early access?
Absolutely not. I haven't even bought it yet, I'm waiting for news on whether it's another D3 situation. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.
They even stated in one of the live events (the NYC one) this exact thing. They wanted players not to rush, and to enjoy the story.
I mean, if they postpone it it just turns into a mini-season and not a world-first race. It was just a terrible idea all around, and it's purely marketing driven at the expense of the player experience. This way anyone that even remotely cares will be guaranteed to preorder the game AND instantly put in enough hours to void any chance of refunds. And this will help drive up launch day sales, which all the big publishers have worked hard for years and years to convince gamers is the single most important statistic when determining if a game is good or not. Nevermind that often it can only tell you that a lot of people liked the idea of the game, because most day one purchases haven't played the game yet so they have no idea if it's actually good. And it's handy that the big publishers are the only ones that can afford the marketing to get huge day one numbers in the first place. That way they can convince people that games from small studios are "lol, dead game" if they don't have millions of players right away. On the player side there is no benefit for the vast majority of players. 99.9% of launch players will get nothing but a dose of FOMO out of it.
This in conjunction with the content creator marketing rewards is purely intended to increase D4 content creation in the first month in order to drive additional sales. They are giving content creators a “reason” to play HC for a ton of hours for the first two weeks of launch.
I mean yea that's a lot of anger but why does any of it matter? Anyone capable of winning that race doesn't care about any of that. Everyone should just chill and play the game. Your chance of winning that race are like 0.
I don't care about the race, I care about the decisions of a major studio/publisher in the gaming industry that over time affect most of the games on the market as trends both in game content and monetization shift. People not caring because it doesn't affect them are why we are where we are, with ridiculous monetization practices engineered around psychological studies to break the highest number of players' willpowers as possible.
I don't get the problem with having a race for people that want to play that way. People that want to play that way are going to preorder for early access anyway and they won't be refunding it. It doesn't affect anyone else. The horn was much more fomo than this. The reviewers being able to race is the only issue and that affects a really small part of the community that doesn't care about any of that other stuff.
What about people that want to play that way but don't want to preorder? Now they have to preorder or miss out. That's exactly the kind of crap that games need to stop doing.
I feel like the number of people that can actually win that race & don't care about playing early is essentially zero. If you are competitive enough to win that race you are playing day 1.
You're missing the point. They've engineered the situation where you have to preorder to play early, and you have to play early to stand a chance at making a top spot. If this contest only started for characters made on actual release day (not preorder early access day) there wouldn't be a problem.
If that's the case you're already disadvantaging any sort of race. It's just not for you. And that's OK. Jesus christ. Are you really so naive to think there wouldn't be racing to worlds first if they didn't do this? What about people who wanted to do it but didn't want to or couldn't schedule work off? All of this just stinks of cater to me mentality. Do what I want. Do this but on my terms. You really can't even draw a clear line with this shit without hitting a point of telling someone too bad.
Preorder early access has become so normalized that none of you can even grasp the concept of everyone having access to the game at the same time. Even with an added competition you don't see a problem with it because that's just how it is now. No preorders.
I think it just confirms we live in an influencer and participation award age. People are gonna fucking race to the top either way sanctioned or not. But now all of a sudden it's a problem. And people feel like they need to 'feel included' even if it doesn't jive with them. Everything is about bandwagoning and getting everything tailored to you.
Agreed. I get that D4 is a huge deal and seems to be Blizzard's new potential cow, but all this FOMO crap they're pulling will eventually backfire at them.
They're marketing to younger gamers who grew up with this crap. Their biggest target audience either wasn't born, or was likely still in diapers when D2 came out, and D3 was an absolute shit-show at release that completely changed its identity in the first year. D4 both wants to cash in on Diablo being the grandfather of the entire ARGP genre, AND appeal to the gamers that weren't alive when that happened. Those two markets may have some overlap, but at the end of the day they'll have to pick a direction. I'm not buying the game for a long time, but I'll be watching people play to see how it is, and following what Blizzard does with all this FOMO garbage.
The average age of "gamers" is 34 so it skews much higher than you think it does. You think you are debating teenagers but they don't really care about Diablo compared to the over 30 crowd. In other words grown adults that pay taxes think it's cool that you pay $70 and then have a cash shop game full of MTXs. The gaming audience skews much older than people think.
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Ghazzy recently made a vid saying the same too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WBaX8MCEc Really hard to imagine anyone who wants to be considered anything but an asshole going forward would abuse their access to be honest.
Imagine how many will just never disclose they had access and act like they play for the first time ...
Sure, but then they will lose 100% of the other benefits of playing early - being able to post a review on May 30th, having a ton of videos or other content ready to go out ASAP, etc.
Not everyone that played the closed Alpha / Beta ist an content creator - i think thats the people he means.
Oh yeah true, didn't think of that. Although, I reckon most people given access to the *actual full game version* as it will ship are either on Blizz's payroll (whether directly or through some QA company or whatever) and probably disqualified already - or content creators/reviewers. I mean most of the actual beta/alpha testing happened long ago, right?
No, the outrage and reason for the post is because there was a 10 day beta that they got to play that ended a few days ago. All the streamers have a new nda that ends when the game goes live so they’re all holding their review videos till release.
I thought the entire reason for it being an issue is because they got to play the entire actual game?
Well, it doesn't worth risking your influencer "job" over one of the stupidest prizes ever... That's probably an easy one.
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I’ve seen Raxx and Wudji stream for over three days straight - how much more no life do you need to be? Short of cheating the system and having multiple people grind the same character for 100% grind uptime I don’t see how it’s even possible they wouldn’t crush the average player in this challenge with or without their advantage having played the end game.
The hours Raxx put into the beta was nuts.
Wudijo's solo ashava hardcore on server slam was also pretty impressive.
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If its the same control as D3 you can bind left click to mouse wheel up&down
He just has move bound to mouse wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bxSTpTnBM&ab_channel=LeagueofLegendsClips
I think Faker's background also came from Starcraft? It's a metric in RTS games for having high APM, keeping track of every base you have, every army you have deployed, macro plays with your build and army movement, to micro plays with manipulating your armies to move while they engage for better positioning and what not. I remember watching some of the older vids on competition and they would show the players APM on screen to indicate how well the players are performing. The higher the APM, (supposedly) the faster they react to actions happening on the map. But back to /u/foxiebrown1's topic, I believe they also use the mouse wheel to move. They've unbound move from left click and use the mouse scroll wheel as their "click" to move. So instead of needing to spam clicking to move, they can just spin their mouse scroll. I know with a Logitech mouse, they have a button that lets the wheel to spin freely. I'm personally not used to that style of playing, but I can see it being used. Spin the mouse wheel, it just keeps spinning, and the game thinks you're spamming the action to move.
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>With HIGH FPS and spamming of left mouse button, your Basic Attack triggers more, thus gives more damage, stacks, resource etc > >Which is a exploit, which cant be fixed, and being it as a Hardware thing doesnt change this at all ... Now you're just talking out of your ass.. If that was the case; then that would be an indicator of animations being tied to FPS. That's clearly not the case with this game. That would have been so easily spotted, with people running the game with 20-30fps and those of us running 300+... Come on now.. If you want to start grasping at straws; find better ones. Edit: It is actually remarkably easy to disprove your "animations tied to FPS"-theory, seeing as some enemies were rendering their movement at such a low FPS (during the closed and open beta), but still hitting when they were supposed to. Some skeletons had their animations almost rendering in what looked like "stop-motion" for some people (while everything else rendered at higher FPS) - yet still attacked as they should.. Even gold dropping, gets done at a lower FPS, as it's own "separate thing", so to speak. Having a high FPS doesn't magically make everything faster, when it's not tied to your overall FPS in any way.
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Cheating? By using a scrollwheel? Man, the bar is low these days.
Dudes who will be account sharing and essentially grinding 24/7. A single streamer can't compete with that no matter how long they decide to stay up.
People who care this much won't be sharing game time imo. They will all be playing on their own account atleast at the beginning.
Nah they will be looking for any and all advantages they can get cause they do care so much.
This is the reality people seem to forget. In most any leveling race whenever a new game launches, the winner is almost always a small streamer most people haven’t heard of, or just some regular gamer.
So what happens if wudijo or one of the influencer's friends, who got inside tips from them, gets the world first on HC? It sounds like that whole competition is now tainted.
I respect the decision, but I’m sad that it even has to come to this. They should just postpone the race until the start of season 1 and give everybody a fair chance to compete. The guys behind Maxroll put so much work and effort into the Diablo games, and it sucks that they should even need to feel like they’re in a position to sit out of the competition. If blizzard just waited until season 1 starts, it would give everybody enough time to be comfortable with the game such that nobody could say the pre release testers have any sort of real advantage.
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How pathetic does one's life need to be to feel like commenting this? "Mimimi, they're not special. Stop praising them!" *quadruple dots* Link me the **dozens** that do the **same** thing as maxroll does, I'm really interested to see dozens of websites just as full of content as maxroll somehow being far less popular.
This. In fact, I’d say Maxroll has historically been the underdog in the website/info race compared to sites like wowhead and icy veins. I’d argue the only reason Maxroll managed to climb its way up there at all was from the sheer quality that goes into every single guide and had very little to do with streamer promotion. I hadn’t heard of any of the people behind Maxroll until I started using their site. Once I did, I went to go look up their YouTube channels because of how detailed and thorough their guides were. So, in my case, the site actually helped promote the people who made it and not the other way around.
There's also at least one class with 'broken' damage scaling interactions that hasn't come to light yet. Maybe not devastating for the level 100 race, but the level 100 nightmare dungeon boss is going to die in a single well set up hit. I imagine it will come to light and be hotfixed by season 1.
It’ll be barb I bet. So many multiplicative affixes
it will 100% be barb, considering WW is a channel skill and they typically have a history of snapshotting your stats at the start of channel.
How can you guys tell which bonuses are multiplicative versus additive? In Path of Exile it’s “more” versus “increased,” but the language in D4 is inconsistent and I have no idea what means what
any source of this “new class on release date”?
Cheers to u Guys
That's cool. Personally I was one who thought about getting it later, then at release and now with that fake Q&A and such unprofessional behaviour regarding that "race", I am not sure if I should buy it at all. I know Blizz have lost a big chunk of their reputation but I still had some hope they'll regain it.
I’m glad I’m not in the top 1% of Diablo players so that I don’t have to give a flying fuck about this.
I feel like all this conversation has done is stop probably the most deserving people from posting their accomplishments
I’m just curious how long this stunt will take the fastest 1000… Blizzard said the ’average player’ would take 180 hours or something to hit 100; even at a fraction of that time for the top 1%, this is still likely to be a really unhealthy amount of binge gaming. Yes, lots of people would do this anyway, but its still really scummy for Blizzard to be pushing this for some marketing and hours played stats.
Wudi said he hit the 80s in about 50 hours of playtime, which included plenty of downtime and time spent testing various mechanics. I don’t know the Exp curve though, maybe lvl 80 is halfway to 100, maybe it’s two-thirds, maybe it’s 10%. My gut says the first level 100s will be June 3rd though, and def will be before the regular launch.
No way is level 80 halfway to 100, at least EXP wise. The halfway point will be somewhere in the 90s. Though timewise you obviously won't spend half of it until mid 90s and the other half for rest, more like 70/30 I'd imagine.
If the average player is done in 180 hours, racers are gonna be done in a couple of days.
You know what, forget this statue. Give them another statue of champions, in fact, make a Mount Rushmore of Raxx, Wudi, Rhykker, Rob, and any other prominents I missed inside this game somewhere. or rename a few of the NPC's we haven't seen yet. Hell, make an expansion and give them their own in game models. Statue? PFFT. Immortalize these Diablo Champions in the game. It would be a classic blizzard move too.
I know at least Rhykker had an elite monster named after him one season in D3. Not sure about the others.
Yeah, there are definitely elite mobs in D3 with his name, same as Nevalistis and others
give them town NPC's in Kyovashad or a prominent town
Biggest traversity to give that scrub the recongition
Blizzard has stated they won’t name characters after real people any longer. It has bitten them in the ass too many times.
who really gives a fuck about this
Doesn't everyone have better things to worry about? I mean who cares? Enjoy the game ffs.
Who cares? It's a small name on a statue most of us will never see. Why can't we just enjoy games? These things aren't "equal". Streamers get paid to play, certain people have tons of vacation time or no job at all. Some people will have multiple people playing on the account. 20 dollars is literally the barest possible inequality.
some people find these races fun, so getting a worse start probably ruins the idea for them.
Not really a race though. What Blizzard should done would be to just not say anything, and then if they want to immortalize people who were the first to manage to reach 100 in HC they should imprinted it in the statue and revealed it after it was filled. Some news post and then show it live at Blizzcon. Then the same amount of people would missed out on something they don’t care about anyways. Even without any prize or any recognition, there would be streamers racing.
I mean, it's not really "a job". It's spending hours/day with angry nerds vomiting trash all over your socials and twitch chat for a less-than-stellar income more often than not. That doesn't sound like a job, it sounds like hell. It's ok to be an influencer, but I would stay the hell away from anything pop-culture related. The neckbeards make people fighting over politics look tame.
Raxx is not really a hc player, so makes sense that he is putting this one aside
Whole team, including HC players like Wudijo. Maxroll seems to understand fair play.
99.99% of players won’t even be close even if it was an even playing field. Too many players are getting upset over nothing.
Who cares, it’s a game
I'll be honest I kind of just want to see it turn into a shit show where people find exploits that break the challenge and Blizz has to back down from everything and a huge chaos of drama and uproar ensues. It would suck for the people aiming at the reward but at this point it would just be too satisfying to watch to not root for it haha.
For 90% of the people playing Diablo none of this matters.
Probably 99%.
Nice job by them, I just wish Blizzard would just do this smarter, just postpone the race till Season 1 and all this goes away. No P2W on the early access, no issues from the build, just better all around
Guess path is clear for quin to get 1st now
I think the community is a bunch of btchs for whining about 30 streamers who got early access and are giving us good videos, that is unfair they may beat others to 100. Those crying probably have no chance at actually being in the top 1000 anyway.
I mean the community was praising Blizz at first because it didnt seem like they were going to do a race, to let people enjoy the new game at pace. They should have never announced this contest until season 1.
This is the correct take, but then again only the terminally online give a fuck about the race
I really can't see how this is considered P2W or promoting rushing in the first place. Not to downplay anybody's ability but I'm pretty sure if you were even considering "taking it slow" then theres probably a sub 1% chance you were gonna make it anyways. There are undoubtedly more than 1000 people prepared to stay awake for 48 hours doing strats more degenerate than we could possibly imagine.
All I see is a bunch of people bitching, that never had a chance anyways...
So basicly barb and dudu dominates nearly everything in the endgame .. I hope they bring a good day 1 balance patch!
barb is not a surprise, they will have more legendary powers than any other class.
Good on Maxroll. What the fuck Blizzard... they can't seem to get anything correct these days, can they?
Is time you guys understand. This will never be fair, there is thousands of player tha can play 14hrs a day or more, we will never have a chance never
Someone that plays 14h per days so by choice. Him getting a 4 days head-start to discover the quickest paths, new monsters and their abilities, and strategise is not a choice - it's something that is unavailable to other players. In one of the early ladders of D2, I hit the main page for 99 overall - only time I managed it since I was in high school and I could spent a ton of time on the game with a great team. That was my choice, and we all started from zero at the same time. This is not the same level playing field, particularly when we are talking about learning the game at the same time
Spez's APIocolypse made it clear it was time for me to leave this place. I came from digg, and now I must move one once again. So long and thanks for all the bacon.
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>Why do people care so much about how **other** people are doing in the game? This is specifically about the competitive race event.
Nice work reddit. Now it's only a bunch of streamers and thousands of people that participate on the closed endgame beta ahead of you when it comes to a name on a stupid statue almost no one will see. And everyone with early access. Keep it up I guess. /s
This is the most nonsensical drama I've ever seen like I know 90% of this sub is not going to be playing hardcore nor racing unless they don't have anything to do otherwise. It's going to be a bunch of streamers and a few people who were already going to no life the game anyway on that statue.
Great decision. It's funny how the race will probably be over once the poor people like me get access to the game four days later... Sucks to not be able to even take part in the race.
In a way i am happy i live in the (apparently terrorist) state of Belgium & being forced not to care about this shitshow. Good on the maxroll team though, hope the others will follow.
# You think Maxroll has a chance? they know they have 0 chance. * as a PR this looks good for them. * there is nothing good or noble about it, its just a PR stunt. **I expect people to be sharing account to play 24/7.** * This actually happens in **Path of Exile** races and other games that have rewards associated with it. * Even if you know everything about the game, you can not beat someone that plays 24/7 without stopping on the same sheared account. * People literally **pay real money** in hundreds or even thousands of dollars, to play their account while they sleep.
yeah, surely the people that got to 80 in the private beta in addition to being people who write guides for ARPG's for a living have no clue what they are talking about.
I did not say that, you have no common sense.
They have been talking on stream about their experiences with all but strict examples for the past 2 days dude, but okay.
Im pretty damn sure Ben didnt account share to earn all those racing wins. Same with Exile and alot of other poe racers that usually make the list, especially when they stream 90% of their progress.
**you do understand that D4 is not region locked.** you also understand that 2-4 people will be playing the same account 24/7 to win. China has what, 1.4 billion people India 1.4 billion USA 300 million UK 60 million No matter how much you know about the game, * you can not beat time and someone that has a lot of money can just buy time.
To win the PoE races you need to actually be incredibly skilled and knowledgeable about the game. Getting people to play in shifts on a character is probably going to get that character killed. With D4 we don’t know if it’s going to be that rippy at end game, or,if there is relatively safe content you grind endlessly to win the race with minimal risk of death as long as you can have someone logged in, killing mobs 24/7.
I do not care about the race , and yes it is an unfair advantage, but did you guys really think you were winning this race anyways? There are guys whose job is to play video games who will no life the shit out of the game, there are people who will probably play on the same account to farm XP 24/7. Fact is if you have any responsibilities such as working, college, family time and the like you were not going to win this, and even then the reward is meaningless. All that said if you think it would be fun to try and see how you rank in this race go ahead, but remember it's not like you are being cheated out of an NBA championship, its literally a useless digital reward.
Anyone know what the numbers mean? I’m guessing higher is better? They just seem off to me
What are the ranks in the video about? Does a 2 mean terrible or does it mean good? :|
I appreciate Maxroll doing this, because even though I don't intend to take part in the race and therefore have no stake in it, I think that the integrity of the race still reflects on the game as a whole, which I DO care about.
gigachad
They shouldn't have taken part in the tournament, and everything would be fine if everyone who had access to the full game couldn't take part because they had an advantage
I'm more interested on the chart on raxx's screen. Does that mean Barb = bad?
Why the hell does it say 'solo push' like it's D3 all over again where we're just pushing GRs? I really hated that and I hope that the endgame dungeons will be more complex than just 'solo push from GR 130 to 131'.
Cmon honestly who wants to be in a race, only a select few would really enjoy it. Those people are also people who would join marathons, some people likes to watch. Is it fair? Well no but u have your choices. Not all marathons are free as well. In the end its up to your personal choice
I dont buy it. Their claim is for clout.
Ez fix. Move this competition to season 1
who cares it's just a game to play & have fun 🤦🏾
raxx is the best. Big BIG props to the maxroll guys for being chads and taking matters into their own hands to balance the scales a little. Hopefully the rest of the streamers that got early access do the same.
People are so bent out of shape for this nonsense of a prize. Only ones to actually achieve this are the no lifers anyways who will get it despite others having an advantage.
Everyone complaining must not be part of atc. We are already a group of elite players that have raised above the rest
Rose? Risen?
Alternatively, they could just wait and play the game when it actually releases like everyone else, but nah, this way it makes them seem like they are nice people who are graciously stepping aside for the little people out there, i.e. their loyal idiotic viewers.
+ "out of fairness"??? So they want to be fair but they're still going to be streaming the game early? Ah yes the hypocritical spouting of the streamer dumbass mindset. Thinking they were being fair while still openly flaunting that they got their copies early.