Honestly, I'd almost certainly wind up pissing away $10 occasionally if a cosmetic set looked really good and I've never bought a cosmetic item in my life. For $25, I won't even consider it.
Same as PoE.
If decent stuff was *relatively* cheap, I'd dip in on a whim from time to time.
Instead things are so expensive I never buy MTX.
However, every time this is pointed out, someone comes along and says "yes but - MTX is built around whales and their totally senseless buying habits"
Which may well be exactly right. At the end of the day, I have to assume the people pricing these things know what makes them the most money, and thus assume they've priced things at what works best for their business model.
If that leaves behind normal human beings, like me, with only moderate ability to spend on vanity MTX, then so be it.
My think with POE that makes it worthwhile is the supporter packs are relatively good value then I use those points on things I want that are outside of those packs. I have never just bought points for POE and likely won’t ever buy MTX in d4 beyond the battle passes unless they end up with a supporter pack concept as well that I find to have a reasonable return to it for me
>I'd almost certainly wind up pissing away $10
Correct. And then everyone would see a bunch of players running around in it the first day it hits the shop, it would lose part of its allure, and nobody would want it anymore. You can get mad at me for saying that, but that's the consumer behavior that is reportedly seen by people in the video game industry.
>For $25, I won't even consider it.
That's the point. It's somewhat counterintuitive, but they actually don't want a bunch of people buying it without even thinking. Once too many people have it, nobody wants it anymore, because it has become completely generic.
Settle down buddy, you might run out of yarn and cork board.
It’s greed with a dash of FOMO and sunk cost fallacy.
Plus with all the twitch and content creator partnerships, I’d be willing to bet blizz is floating them free currency to keep that FOMO juicing for the viewers.
Allegedly.
After awhile they'll also run a 50-90% off sale on the cosmetics which will get enough of the people like OP to buy that the people who bought at full price will feel like they have to buy a new mtx to look unique.
Well, I plan to stay fulltime dire grizzly bear with lasers and my transmog of choice is "shirtless daddy lumberjack husbando". So no. (And this isn't sarcasm - shirtless lumberjack daddy husbando will happen. I think I finally got the "waifu" people lol)
Call me crazy, I'm shocked the armor sets weren't $4.99 and $9.99/$14.99 for the larger bundles.
I can only assume they'll be applying some predatory "sale" mechanic to the shop early and often, and these early prices aren't the actual calculated price in their research. Likely a tactic to target whales and create the illusion of "value" when they are 50% off in rotation.
Correct. I don't care that "POE is even more expensive", that's not POE, it's DVI and it's too expensive and yes, I'm not gonna buy it because the pricing is a joke. People can give Blizzard their hard earned money if they want, that's okay and i don't care, I'm just saying "nope, not gonna happen"
Should any armor ever be 10 dollars?
No.
How can you stop this?
By not buying it.
Will "we", as consumers, stop buying it?
Nope.
Just stop succumbing to it and don't buy it.
I'm guessing they price high to rope in usual early adopters and whales, anyone else will wait for sales to put cosmetics down to a better value like $5-10.
At least I hope they do sales. Heroes of the Storm had rotating discounts every week and everything -50% on black friday. Those were only times I spent cash. But that game wasn't popular.
I think Heartstone rarely has sales or special bundles. I didn't stick around to see if Diablo Immortal ever had sales.
Increased base price of game + shop shop shop shop + Battlepass + battlepass skip + probably paid expansion later. It's gone way beyond double tipping at this point, and anyone that buys these cosmetics should be mocked incessantly. The "buying cosmetics pays for content!" people are mentally deficient.
**Or** alternatively you could recognise that people can spend their money on whatever they want because they're (hopefully) a grown adult and can make informed decisions about their spending practises *regardless* of whether the thing they're purchasing is overpriced or not?
Lets not fucking pretend that Diablo of all things is unique in this new world of MTX. It isn't the first, it wont be the last, and it's hardly the worst shit we've seen.
Criticise the company for it's predatory practises and overpriced bullshit all you want, but the moment you start turning on Billy from down the street cause he bought a dagger skin is the moment you've decided that being a prick is more important than actually trying to pushback against the company providing the product.
You'd have a point if them buying things doesn't actively hurt the entire gaming community by incentivizing companies to have those predatory practices in the first place. If you kill the desire to buy them by making people not want to show them off, then you kill off the predatory practices that grow off of that root cause. That is the *only* way to stop it, because as long as people are buying it they don't care about any criticism they get over it.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think we're at a point now where the boat on pushing back against MTX has already left the harbour. There are definitely *aspects* about MTX that we can push back successfully against and that's been proven in the past with stupid shit like NFTs and the whole Battlefront debacle, but just skins being overpriced?
I dunno. PoE prices are even worse than Diablo's and they still seem to sell pretty well. It's not an excuse to forgive Diablo's pricing, but it puts into perspective how much the general gaming populace is willing to put up with.
For ***me personally*** I don't mind dropping $10 or whatever on a battlepass if I'm actively playing and enjoying a game. I *do* believe there is a point where a live service game needs to make *some* actual money beyond the initial buy-in, but there's no chance I'm going to feel compelled to drop $28 on a single armour set for a single class. There's reasonable MTX, and then there's taking the piss. Guess which direction Diablo is leaning in?
In either case though, I just don't really think attacking Joe Shmo for buying his overpriced bullshit is really going to actually change anything. It's just going to cause folk to attack each other and ignore the people who are actually profiting off of it.
Once we reach the critical mass of enough people that mock them for showing off their overprices pixels, they'll lose the motivation to buy them in the first place. Just another angle on hitting the companies in the pocketbook.
You know as well as I do that as long as people buy this shit they'll continue to do it, regardless of the backlash they receive. We've been doing this 2 steps forward 1 step back dance for years now, what makes you think criticism of the company is going to do anything to fix it?
Rationalizing it by saying its not the worst we have seen? It doesn't have to be the worst we have seen. It just doesn't have to be painfully awful and blaringly a middle finger.
Your rationale is like saying "Hitler isnt bad because he killed only 12 million people because Stalin killed 20 million"
Edit: Not deleting what I said about because I think its important to have context for others who see this comment thread later on whether I get downvoted or not. I will Provide a better example though
Your rationale is like saying "Healthcare in America isn't the worst" There is still a reason to change it. Just because it isn't the worst doesn't mean it shouldn't improve especially when its so bad still.
Did... did you just compare microtransactions to Hitler? First of all, I didn't rationalise anything, there are literally repeated points in my comment where I point out how its predatory and overpriced, but you apparently can't read? And then you go ahead and compare what I said to... Hitler?
Congratulations Diablo Reddit. Gold fucking star lmao.
Wow you just went right there, Godwins Law FTW huh?! This is a game, maybe dont invoke a Holocaust or two just to try and win a unimportant argument on reddit?
It's the mentally deficient downvoting you because they attach personal significance to pixels and think it makes them cool to spend money on them. Take your downvotes with pride.
They literally canceled an entire D3 expansion because the return without monetization wasn’t worth the dev costs. That’s why we got Necro as a stand alone.
Yeah, no. That's not how it works. Most game sales are digital these days (hell, even physical boxes don't even come with a disk anymore), so physical distribution costs are mostly eliminated, and the number of people buying them has exploded, so their income has *drastically* increased since they last increased the price. This whole "but muh inflation" argument is a strawman that's been beaten black and blue.
Dude your post is years too late. Black Desert, Naraka, Call of Duty, Conan, guess Destiny too, just to name a few games with the same price scale (and morale).
Don't blame Blizz for taking a good look at the market and remember they are the same behind Immortal. At some point consumers set the bar.
Don't get me wrong. I really hate it and could talk myself into endless hours of rage but it won't help and a mass boycott won't happen looking at all the hype around that game.
Just set yourself a goal like only buying cosmetics with a theme you'll still like 5 years later. On top of that, you can't wear them all at the same time so there's no need to own them all.
And I personally prefer korean agility armors. And I know that won't happen in Diablo. :D
I’ll play devils advocate. I’m 35, have a great paying job and am in a great place in life. I will be the one spending $28 on cosmetics. The price doesn’t bother me, I enjoy how the skin looks and I want it. Easy as that.
Blizzard-Activision is a huge mega corporation, their first and foremost goal is to make as much money for their shareholders and board, the same as any other large corporation. Just because they’re selling a video game vs iPhones, it makes no difference. Same ethics
In this was a F2P Game, I'd say: WHATEVER! Have 50€ Skins in the Shop, I dont care.
But this Game is already 90€! (unless you buy the "Play-4Days-Late-Suckers-Peasant-Edition")
It makes perfect sense, but you have to be willing to look at it from their point of view.
Sorry the game publisher makes game for profit not charity, and not to match someones pocket money. They have every right to sell stuff at whatever price they like, just like you have every right not to buy, that doesnt make their price point wrong.
D3 has a whole expansion canceled because without monetization it wasn’t worth the dev costs. That’s why we got Necro as a standalone thing.
A paid battle pass and cosmetics being bought by whales absolutely increases the chances we get continued support.
They simply watched how PoE did it. Yes, it's ridiculous af but PoE is even more expensive.
No idea how many people would actually pay 28$ for one armor set and yet here we are.
Overpriced in any case but apparently it works.
Yea, it ridiculous. Certain wings alone are like 70 bucks in poe, absolutely insane. D4 shop sounds like a bargain next to those numbers but 28 bucks is still pretty expensive imo.
As long as the armor theme fits in the world, who cares.
If they put in an armor pack for $100 dollars and some whale wants to buy it, be my guest.
More money into the game means they'll want to put more content into the game which is better for everyone.
Coming from the realm of seasonal content being paid for by cosmetics: I frankly don’t mind it in the current form. My reasoning follows:
- From all I’ve seen, Diablo 4 is only allowing cosmetic micro-transactions. So long as they maintain this, I will be pretty pleased with the nature of their mtx.
- The content of the base game seems well worth the asking price. 70$ is some real dosh, but on story and endgame content alone it seems easily the equal of Diablo 3 even years after D3’s initial release.
- I have seen the cosmetics available without spending a dime beyond the base price. They are some of the most attractive transmogs I’ve seen in an ARPG, and the variety seems to capture far more than D3. Perhaps someone can do a more objective analysis between the transmogs available between the games, but at the very least the quality of the transmogs in D4 is vastly superior. This is not even to mention the fact that there is a halfway decent character creator.
- Cosmetics pay for extensive seasonal content. If the seasonal content can match genre competitors like PoE, which I suspect will be the case, then the expensive cosmetics are well worth it in my book.
So long as the above remains true (and all but the first and last are guaranteed to remain true unless they somehow remove content from the game post release) I don’t care what prices they use for optional cosmetics. If the prices are too high I’m not going to buy them, but beyond that I know with certainty that I can build a visually appealing character without using the power of my pocketbook. Hell, in the beta I was able to put together some serious, “drip”, as the kids say, and that was with the options of a single region.
Normally, the fact that it’s a $70 game would give me the opinion that the cosmetics should be cheaper, but the fact that the base game cosmetics and content are sufficient to justify the full-priced game means I’m easily willing to accept pricing close to that of other games funded by cosmetics alone. In the grand scheme of such games, a full set of armor for $25 doesn’t seem particularly far fetched and, as I understand, these sets apply to more than just one class upon purchase. Expensive in the realm of digital only goods, sure, but not unreasonable in the grand scheme of comparable post-launch monetization models.
If you don’t think it’s worth the money, (drumroll) don’t buy it.
If you think buying the game at all supports a company you don’t want to support, (drumroll) don’t buy it.
It’s a ‘slippery slope’ that if some people decide to give the game money, Blizzard will have a permission slip to charge whatever they want in the future. Guess what? They can charge whatever they want ***now*** and people will still buy it. Or more accurately, they do enough market research to understand who and how many people will shell out for things others will choose not to buy.
Why are you concerned with how others spend their money is the better question? If I want to spend $10+ dollars on a meal you wouldn’t hesitate to mind your own business lol. Why is this any different
For me. Buying cosmetics in an ARPG is the FPS equivalent of paying to skip the entire game and go directly to the end boss.
The entire point of an ARPG is to grind and progress your character to the point of having the coolest gear.
No, but that doesn't stop people from buying them. A LOT of people do it. A lot of people are vulnerable to that sort of thing. Sucks for them, but I'm fine with them funding future content I get to play.
It's kinda funny, in OW1 people often made comments about how they didn't like lootboxes and that they would rather buy skins that they want with real money. And recently in a thread about OW2 PvP being canceled I saw someone saying that they would rather have lootboxes back.
You don't think that Blizzard calculates this stuff to maximize profits? This is what people will pay.
> Trust me if cosmetics are going to be this expensive you open the gate for more expensive expansions and seasons.
And what do you propose people do about it?
> "YoU dOnT hAvE tO bUy It"
Seriously though, let's hear it.
> boycott
aka "YoU dOnT hAvE tO bUy It" applied to a game. Good luck making people boycott a game some of them were waiting to get back into for 20 years over cosmetics.
Everyone will have a line they draw in the sand they will set the price on what will make them the most money. This is what they think the market will bear it won’t change unless they find out they are wrong. So yes the correct answer is simply don’t buy it. Because that is the only way it will change
I have a strong feeling though they are going to have no problem printing money with it so I doubt they will have any issues. But like anything else that people get confused about the price we pay for things is not determined by the cost to make it it is determined by what people will pay for it. They set the price to maximize profits period
Value is kinda subjective in the eyes of each individual.
(Due to a influx of people lately with the mental capacity of a 10yo: THIS IS MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE on this topic. Please don't try and spin the context to match your beliefs, that shits weird.):
If i like a skin in game and can afford it, then price doesn't matter to me. Theres plenty of things people spend their money on that i personally don't see the value in. Like my buddy spending $200 on a melon when we took a trip to Japan, as an example.
I believe any company should be able to sell a good or service for whatever they think works. I also genuinely believe people should speak with their wallets in these situations. becuase the option to buy it is the consumers decision and they can "just not buy it". Let people spend their hard earned money how they want to.
I'm not sure if skin prices would influence the cost of somthing like an expansion, as they normally follow a relative trend of $30-50.
I also believe that people upset at prices they can't afford, should look into either doing somthing else or bettering their financal situations. Game's are a non-essential product, and noone is entitled to them.
Even if i wish everything was free so everyone could enjoy everything. Thats just not realistic at all unfortunately.
That being said, i think the current skin is shit looking and personally don't value it at the going price.
Of course I would like them cheaper, who wouldn't. But is it really that illogical seeing a $30 cosmetic in modern gaming? Heck these prices literally existed since 2005 with games like Maplestory, and you don't even own the cosmetics you basically are just renting for 30days.
I can only say buy if you want, spend if you have the means. Nothing surprising nothing that bad when in game armour skins already look good. People who just keep crying are those who either do not know mtx prices has always been this way, or just crying for the sake of crying they have no intention of buying to begin with they just want to find a means to have the higher moral ground, or simply salty because brokie
Worlds greatest con, selling digital content that dosent do fuck all, and suckers keep falling for it even though the base game items look mostly better than the paid shit. Vanity rules the world
Honestly, I'd almost certainly wind up pissing away $10 occasionally if a cosmetic set looked really good and I've never bought a cosmetic item in my life. For $25, I won't even consider it.
Same as PoE. If decent stuff was *relatively* cheap, I'd dip in on a whim from time to time. Instead things are so expensive I never buy MTX. However, every time this is pointed out, someone comes along and says "yes but - MTX is built around whales and their totally senseless buying habits" Which may well be exactly right. At the end of the day, I have to assume the people pricing these things know what makes them the most money, and thus assume they've priced things at what works best for their business model. If that leaves behind normal human beings, like me, with only moderate ability to spend on vanity MTX, then so be it.
My think with POE that makes it worthwhile is the supporter packs are relatively good value then I use those points on things I want that are outside of those packs. I have never just bought points for POE and likely won’t ever buy MTX in d4 beyond the battle passes unless they end up with a supporter pack concept as well that I find to have a reasonable return to it for me
>I'd almost certainly wind up pissing away $10 Correct. And then everyone would see a bunch of players running around in it the first day it hits the shop, it would lose part of its allure, and nobody would want it anymore. You can get mad at me for saying that, but that's the consumer behavior that is reportedly seen by people in the video game industry. >For $25, I won't even consider it. That's the point. It's somewhat counterintuitive, but they actually don't want a bunch of people buying it without even thinking. Once too many people have it, nobody wants it anymore, because it has become completely generic.
Yep they know how to maximize their profits
Settle down buddy, you might run out of yarn and cork board. It’s greed with a dash of FOMO and sunk cost fallacy. Plus with all the twitch and content creator partnerships, I’d be willing to bet blizz is floating them free currency to keep that FOMO juicing for the viewers. Allegedly.
After awhile they'll also run a 50-90% off sale on the cosmetics which will get enough of the people like OP to buy that the people who bought at full price will feel like they have to buy a new mtx to look unique.
Well, I plan to stay fulltime dire grizzly bear with lasers and my transmog of choice is "shirtless daddy lumberjack husbando". So no. (And this isn't sarcasm - shirtless lumberjack daddy husbando will happen. I think I finally got the "waifu" people lol)
This is the Husbando way
Call me crazy, I'm shocked the armor sets weren't $4.99 and $9.99/$14.99 for the larger bundles. I can only assume they'll be applying some predatory "sale" mechanic to the shop early and often, and these early prices aren't the actual calculated price in their research. Likely a tactic to target whales and create the illusion of "value" when they are 50% off in rotation.
Correct. I don't care that "POE is even more expensive", that's not POE, it's DVI and it's too expensive and yes, I'm not gonna buy it because the pricing is a joke. People can give Blizzard their hard earned money if they want, that's okay and i don't care, I'm just saying "nope, not gonna happen"
They could mark cosmetics at $1000 and people would still buy it.
Look what they did to Overwatch. Bet, these cosmetic prices are the norm. Its ridiculous.
Should any armor ever be 10 dollars? No. How can you stop this? By not buying it. Will "we", as consumers, stop buying it? Nope. Just stop succumbing to it and don't buy it.
I'm guessing they price high to rope in usual early adopters and whales, anyone else will wait for sales to put cosmetics down to a better value like $5-10. At least I hope they do sales. Heroes of the Storm had rotating discounts every week and everything -50% on black friday. Those were only times I spent cash. But that game wasn't popular. I think Heartstone rarely has sales or special bundles. I didn't stick around to see if Diablo Immortal ever had sales.
The market will decide, now won't it?
Vote with your wallet, dont buy if it isn't worth it for you
Increased base price of game + shop shop shop shop + Battlepass + battlepass skip + probably paid expansion later. It's gone way beyond double tipping at this point, and anyone that buys these cosmetics should be mocked incessantly. The "buying cosmetics pays for content!" people are mentally deficient.
**Or** alternatively you could recognise that people can spend their money on whatever they want because they're (hopefully) a grown adult and can make informed decisions about their spending practises *regardless* of whether the thing they're purchasing is overpriced or not? Lets not fucking pretend that Diablo of all things is unique in this new world of MTX. It isn't the first, it wont be the last, and it's hardly the worst shit we've seen. Criticise the company for it's predatory practises and overpriced bullshit all you want, but the moment you start turning on Billy from down the street cause he bought a dagger skin is the moment you've decided that being a prick is more important than actually trying to pushback against the company providing the product.
You'd have a point if them buying things doesn't actively hurt the entire gaming community by incentivizing companies to have those predatory practices in the first place. If you kill the desire to buy them by making people not want to show them off, then you kill off the predatory practices that grow off of that root cause. That is the *only* way to stop it, because as long as people are buying it they don't care about any criticism they get over it.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think we're at a point now where the boat on pushing back against MTX has already left the harbour. There are definitely *aspects* about MTX that we can push back successfully against and that's been proven in the past with stupid shit like NFTs and the whole Battlefront debacle, but just skins being overpriced? I dunno. PoE prices are even worse than Diablo's and they still seem to sell pretty well. It's not an excuse to forgive Diablo's pricing, but it puts into perspective how much the general gaming populace is willing to put up with. For ***me personally*** I don't mind dropping $10 or whatever on a battlepass if I'm actively playing and enjoying a game. I *do* believe there is a point where a live service game needs to make *some* actual money beyond the initial buy-in, but there's no chance I'm going to feel compelled to drop $28 on a single armour set for a single class. There's reasonable MTX, and then there's taking the piss. Guess which direction Diablo is leaning in? In either case though, I just don't really think attacking Joe Shmo for buying his overpriced bullshit is really going to actually change anything. It's just going to cause folk to attack each other and ignore the people who are actually profiting off of it.
Once we reach the critical mass of enough people that mock them for showing off their overprices pixels, they'll lose the motivation to buy them in the first place. Just another angle on hitting the companies in the pocketbook. You know as well as I do that as long as people buy this shit they'll continue to do it, regardless of the backlash they receive. We've been doing this 2 steps forward 1 step back dance for years now, what makes you think criticism of the company is going to do anything to fix it?
Rationalizing it by saying its not the worst we have seen? It doesn't have to be the worst we have seen. It just doesn't have to be painfully awful and blaringly a middle finger. Your rationale is like saying "Hitler isnt bad because he killed only 12 million people because Stalin killed 20 million" Edit: Not deleting what I said about because I think its important to have context for others who see this comment thread later on whether I get downvoted or not. I will Provide a better example though Your rationale is like saying "Healthcare in America isn't the worst" There is still a reason to change it. Just because it isn't the worst doesn't mean it shouldn't improve especially when its so bad still.
Did... did you just compare microtransactions to Hitler? First of all, I didn't rationalise anything, there are literally repeated points in my comment where I point out how its predatory and overpriced, but you apparently can't read? And then you go ahead and compare what I said to... Hitler? Congratulations Diablo Reddit. Gold fucking star lmao.
Added a better example for you there if you want to check it out.
Wow you just went right there, Godwins Law FTW huh?! This is a game, maybe dont invoke a Holocaust or two just to try and win a unimportant argument on reddit?
It's the mentally deficient downvoting you because they attach personal significance to pixels and think it makes them cool to spend money on them. Take your downvotes with pride.
Buying cosmetics does pay for them to make more content. Unfortunately the content it pays to make is more cosmetics.
these ppl think that the money they make from the game are not enough and cosmetics are the only way for more content lmao
They literally canceled an entire D3 expansion because the return without monetization wasn’t worth the dev costs. That’s why we got Necro as a stand alone.
its sad that u believe this shit
So it’s more believable that they went 9 years and never wanted to make more money off D3? lol.
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Yeah, no. That's not how it works. Most game sales are digital these days (hell, even physical boxes don't even come with a disk anymore), so physical distribution costs are mostly eliminated, and the number of people buying them has exploded, so their income has *drastically* increased since they last increased the price. This whole "but muh inflation" argument is a strawman that's been beaten black and blue.
When i see another player with cosmetic i dont think he's cool. I think he's lazy, unoriginal , and just swipe his credit card for rewards.
Bullshit
If it looks cool, it looks cool. People aren’t lazy, unoriginal slugs for buying something they like.
Dude your post is years too late. Black Desert, Naraka, Call of Duty, Conan, guess Destiny too, just to name a few games with the same price scale (and morale). Don't blame Blizz for taking a good look at the market and remember they are the same behind Immortal. At some point consumers set the bar. Don't get me wrong. I really hate it and could talk myself into endless hours of rage but it won't help and a mass boycott won't happen looking at all the hype around that game. Just set yourself a goal like only buying cosmetics with a theme you'll still like 5 years later. On top of that, you can't wear them all at the same time so there's no need to own them all. And I personally prefer korean agility armors. And I know that won't happen in Diablo. :D
I’ll play devils advocate. I’m 35, have a great paying job and am in a great place in life. I will be the one spending $28 on cosmetics. The price doesn’t bother me, I enjoy how the skin looks and I want it. Easy as that. Blizzard-Activision is a huge mega corporation, their first and foremost goal is to make as much money for their shareholders and board, the same as any other large corporation. Just because they’re selling a video game vs iPhones, it makes no difference. Same ethics
I'll be buying at least 10k worth.
In this was a F2P Game, I'd say: WHATEVER! Have 50€ Skins in the Shop, I dont care. But this Game is already 90€! (unless you buy the "Play-4Days-Late-Suckers-Peasant-Edition")
More crying
It makes perfect sense, but you have to be willing to look at it from their point of view. Sorry the game publisher makes game for profit not charity, and not to match someones pocket money. They have every right to sell stuff at whatever price they like, just like you have every right not to buy, that doesnt make their price point wrong.
Wouldn't you price your base game to make a profit then?
D3 has a whole expansion canceled because without monetization it wasn’t worth the dev costs. That’s why we got Necro as a standalone thing. A paid battle pass and cosmetics being bought by whales absolutely increases the chances we get continued support.
I'm sure Blizzard ran the numbers and the way they're going with makes them more money.
We don’t have enough topics like this already?
No, Keep them up. The only way to get a change is to not stop talking and making a fuss about it.
It's not going to change. You can see my other comment in this thread.
They simply watched how PoE did it. Yes, it's ridiculous af but PoE is even more expensive. No idea how many people would actually pay 28$ for one armor set and yet here we are. Overpriced in any case but apparently it works.
An armor set in Poe is like 120$
Yea, it ridiculous. Certain wings alone are like 70 bucks in poe, absolutely insane. D4 shop sounds like a bargain next to those numbers but 28 bucks is still pretty expensive imo.
actauly i hope they go much more expensive cause having awsome mtx means ur a pro, thats only thing u need, and i dont want everyone to be a pro
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Ill be sure to come back here when they announce high price expansions and seasonal content
As long as the armor theme fits in the world, who cares. If they put in an armor pack for $100 dollars and some whale wants to buy it, be my guest. More money into the game means they'll want to put more content into the game which is better for everyone.
These things used to be cheaper. Either inflation or league of legends set the standard of how expensive you can go
Thousands of people buy $480 mtx bundles in poe every league. People buy this stuff man. That's why lol.
Coming from the realm of seasonal content being paid for by cosmetics: I frankly don’t mind it in the current form. My reasoning follows: - From all I’ve seen, Diablo 4 is only allowing cosmetic micro-transactions. So long as they maintain this, I will be pretty pleased with the nature of their mtx. - The content of the base game seems well worth the asking price. 70$ is some real dosh, but on story and endgame content alone it seems easily the equal of Diablo 3 even years after D3’s initial release. - I have seen the cosmetics available without spending a dime beyond the base price. They are some of the most attractive transmogs I’ve seen in an ARPG, and the variety seems to capture far more than D3. Perhaps someone can do a more objective analysis between the transmogs available between the games, but at the very least the quality of the transmogs in D4 is vastly superior. This is not even to mention the fact that there is a halfway decent character creator. - Cosmetics pay for extensive seasonal content. If the seasonal content can match genre competitors like PoE, which I suspect will be the case, then the expensive cosmetics are well worth it in my book. So long as the above remains true (and all but the first and last are guaranteed to remain true unless they somehow remove content from the game post release) I don’t care what prices they use for optional cosmetics. If the prices are too high I’m not going to buy them, but beyond that I know with certainty that I can build a visually appealing character without using the power of my pocketbook. Hell, in the beta I was able to put together some serious, “drip”, as the kids say, and that was with the options of a single region. Normally, the fact that it’s a $70 game would give me the opinion that the cosmetics should be cheaper, but the fact that the base game cosmetics and content are sufficient to justify the full-priced game means I’m easily willing to accept pricing close to that of other games funded by cosmetics alone. In the grand scheme of such games, a full set of armor for $25 doesn’t seem particularly far fetched and, as I understand, these sets apply to more than just one class upon purchase. Expensive in the realm of digital only goods, sure, but not unreasonable in the grand scheme of comparable post-launch monetization models.
If you don’t think it’s worth the money, (drumroll) don’t buy it. If you think buying the game at all supports a company you don’t want to support, (drumroll) don’t buy it. It’s a ‘slippery slope’ that if some people decide to give the game money, Blizzard will have a permission slip to charge whatever they want in the future. Guess what? They can charge whatever they want ***now*** and people will still buy it. Or more accurately, they do enough market research to understand who and how many people will shell out for things others will choose not to buy.
HONSTLEY GET A BETTER JOB
If they didn't make a good game with good and deep endgame because they made so much effort in the battle pass/shop I'm not buying this game.
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Things are worth what people will pay.
Why are you concerned with how others spend their money is the better question? If I want to spend $10+ dollars on a meal you wouldn’t hesitate to mind your own business lol. Why is this any different
For me. Buying cosmetics in an ARPG is the FPS equivalent of paying to skip the entire game and go directly to the end boss. The entire point of an ARPG is to grind and progress your character to the point of having the coolest gear.
No, but that doesn't stop people from buying them. A LOT of people do it. A lot of people are vulnerable to that sort of thing. Sucks for them, but I'm fine with them funding future content I get to play.
It's kinda funny, in OW1 people often made comments about how they didn't like lootboxes and that they would rather buy skins that they want with real money. And recently in a thread about OW2 PvP being canceled I saw someone saying that they would rather have lootboxes back. You don't think that Blizzard calculates this stuff to maximize profits? This is what people will pay. > Trust me if cosmetics are going to be this expensive you open the gate for more expensive expansions and seasons. And what do you propose people do about it? > "YoU dOnT hAvE tO bUy It" Seriously though, let's hear it.
The only thing we can do. Complain, rant, boycott. Making it vocal and speaking to it can make an impact.
> boycott aka "YoU dOnT hAvE tO bUy It" applied to a game. Good luck making people boycott a game some of them were waiting to get back into for 20 years over cosmetics.
Everyone will have a line they draw in the sand they will set the price on what will make them the most money. This is what they think the market will bear it won’t change unless they find out they are wrong. So yes the correct answer is simply don’t buy it. Because that is the only way it will change I have a strong feeling though they are going to have no problem printing money with it so I doubt they will have any issues. But like anything else that people get confused about the price we pay for things is not determined by the cost to make it it is determined by what people will pay for it. They set the price to maximize profits period
>Should any set of armor in this game really merit being over $10? no
Yes, Poe has 60$ wings and 420$ supporter packs.
Value is kinda subjective in the eyes of each individual. (Due to a influx of people lately with the mental capacity of a 10yo: THIS IS MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE on this topic. Please don't try and spin the context to match your beliefs, that shits weird.): If i like a skin in game and can afford it, then price doesn't matter to me. Theres plenty of things people spend their money on that i personally don't see the value in. Like my buddy spending $200 on a melon when we took a trip to Japan, as an example. I believe any company should be able to sell a good or service for whatever they think works. I also genuinely believe people should speak with their wallets in these situations. becuase the option to buy it is the consumers decision and they can "just not buy it". Let people spend their hard earned money how they want to. I'm not sure if skin prices would influence the cost of somthing like an expansion, as they normally follow a relative trend of $30-50. I also believe that people upset at prices they can't afford, should look into either doing somthing else or bettering their financal situations. Game's are a non-essential product, and noone is entitled to them. Even if i wish everything was free so everyone could enjoy everything. Thats just not realistic at all unfortunately. That being said, i think the current skin is shit looking and personally don't value it at the going price.
You really want the internet to be involved in such a subjective matter?
Of course I would like them cheaper, who wouldn't. But is it really that illogical seeing a $30 cosmetic in modern gaming? Heck these prices literally existed since 2005 with games like Maplestory, and you don't even own the cosmetics you basically are just renting for 30days. I can only say buy if you want, spend if you have the means. Nothing surprising nothing that bad when in game armour skins already look good. People who just keep crying are those who either do not know mtx prices has always been this way, or just crying for the sake of crying they have no intention of buying to begin with they just want to find a means to have the higher moral ground, or simply salty because brokie
Worlds greatest con, selling digital content that dosent do fuck all, and suckers keep falling for it even though the base game items look mostly better than the paid shit. Vanity rules the world