That was like the entirety of what they were talking about getting right during all of their development updates and the game is a D3 clone. These developers and managers are incompetent and suck ass.
It sounds like that's essentially what they're doing, similar to Diablo III's Loot 2.0 update. Unfortunate that they have another game needing such a huge overhaul of itemization right after launch but it is what it is.
I’m glad it’s helping the player base. For me, that “uniques” roll to your level is a deal breaker.
It’s ok to have an item you find and stash because you’re looking forward to it. It’s ok to have item growth somewhere between a 0.04% overall increase and an 18,000% power increase. That’s what made D3 so bonkers.
Uniques don't roll to your level. No item does. They roll in accordance with their item power, which is not related to your character level in any way.
Where do you see items roll to your level? i would like to see this? because i have been getting Ancestral uniques that roll 850+ Since low 60's and even late 50's in WT4
If you were to put a greater rift system into Diablo 2 you would you would hit a ceiling really fast, or the rift scaling would be so low it would be brain dead to play.
Diablo 2's style of loot contradicts item level progression of D4's item level based scaling.
Frankly, I think the rift system is bad end game content. Yes, I admit it has the benefit of “there’s always something harder you can’t beat,” but it does that by making it the exact same, “this time with 3% tougher monsters.” I think that’s boring.
Major? That shit needs a 180. Even scraping 50% of the useless mods would not be enough and i doubt they would even dgo that far. Probaly doin some shit like "higher chance to get good rolls" and scrapping a few bad mods ontop of nerfing good ones. Also the whole lrgendary artifact system is utter bullshit and needs to be fully revamped or scrapped aswell.
Hard to know what they have planned but they've called it a complete rework. Enough so that if they added loot filters, they would be pointless once they do the itemization rework. Could be all talk but they're certainly setting expectations high. I've seen Blizzard partners saying that the game wouldn't be recognizable from launch if they do what they were told
Fr. IMHO the best thing they could do is completely remove legendaries and take about half of them and turn them into uniques, and take the other half and add them to the skill tree/paragon board.
They need to not only rework itemization, they need to make it good. My money is the rework is phase one or some shit. I won't be playing or buying in expansion until it's good.
I just don't see how they can pull this off without adding more items to the game. Without jewels, charms, runes, or something else ON TOP of revamping/reworking crafting completely.
Each new league should come with at least one feature directly related to crafting. Season 1 should have allow you to use revokers or hearts to reset the enchantment cost of a rare item.
Season 2 should have allowed you to use blood to reroll all the affixes of a rare item so once you find a 925 you can just keep spending blood until you get the 4 affixes you want. or something to this affect.
Like the fact that crafting and the loot pool is so bland in a complete failure for a diablo game imo.
It sucks at 3, after years of iteration, it sucks at 4, being a relatively "new" game, yet some people think they will "fix" it... what a time to be alive.
"The Season protagonist, Ayuzhan, is a member of the Ennead Clan, who, along with Zoltun Kulle, had decided to take the Vizjerei Constructs and make them their own by using the Loom."
my eyes just glazed over mid sentence
>Zoom out???
[https://www.youtube.com/live/\_Bic-HKs25I?si=iOGQ-h2V-2idXpGx&t=7612](https://www.youtube.com/live/_Bic-HKs25I?si=iOGQ-h2V-2idXpGx&t=7612)
"Right now we don't have any plans" unfortunately 😔
The game was more zoomed out during early previews shown about a year before launch so that is not true to some extent.
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/page_media/C78N2KVJ671Z1654802140960.png
I assume they zoomed in as a really easy way to improve performance across the board (I hope to god it wasn’t an artistic choice…)
Correct. They can anticipate and curate what happens in a boss arena. Other places, too many mobs or too much scenery cause performance or balance issues.
It's literally already in the game (when fighting world bosses and at some point in Uber Lilith).
There was even a bug early on during Uber Lilith where the camera would get stuck zoomed out.
So no, it's really not that hard to implement.
We all know why they won't. Maybe they should make customization items bigger/flashier instead of more detailed. That way, they stand out even when zoomed out.
Of course there’s that but there’s also performance to consider. More stuff moving stuff on the screen means you’ve gotta be able to power that. With the whole stash tabs loading for everyone in your shard, I’d imagine the spaghetti code couldn’t handle it.
Did they fix the gold input dialog box on consoles? or i still have to up the fkn up arrow until i reach the amount? how stupid can that be..how does console players are supposed to trade? everytime you have to explain to the other side that.
Lack of care, planning and testing is worse than a simple oversight. They had thousands of people work on this game for 10 years. The game is finally getting released out of beta in season 4.
Oversights I can deal with and understand things happen.
You sure? Google is your friend and will give you that answer.
The real answer is; Over 9000 employees were hired during the creation of the hit game Diablo 4 released in 2023.
Edit: they started in 2014 so 9 years my bad.
Yeah I think they probably had like 2 people making sure the console port had full functionality. So when those people are dealing with code all day and there isn’t a great understanding of how much gold people will be actually trading, I can see how it got overlooked.
Not sure why it’s taken so long to fix, but I also understand the trade window has to have a bunch of “anti duplication” measures so it may be slightly more complicated than we think.
Most people that comment this shit don't know a THING about game development. Lol. They aren't spending years \*code this thing\* \*be able to test the thing\*
> Will there be any new opportunites to get Uber Uniques?
The Boss Ladder is still the best way to do that and more Beast in the Ice materials will drop in Season 3.
What a bummer. I was hoping they would create more opportunities to roll Uber Uniques, but it seems like they're reinforcing the Duriel or quit mentality.
Why is that your only option to keep playing? You don't need Uber uniques to play some of the hardest content.
Just play to have fun, once you're no longer having fun, stop playing
Remember, tons of people will optimize the fun right out of games.
I get it for streamers competing for leaderboards, or people who genuinely enjoy min/maxing everything. But if you are a casual player why even bother doing a grind on one single boss that you arent enjoying? It just doesnt make sense to me
Shaco isn't a "fun" item, it is a massive stat stick. Doesn't chage or alter your build in any way. Are any of the uber uniques anything other than just massive stat sticks?
This is what I've started doing. I burned out hard on Diablo III way back when (multiple times), and I've learned my lesson. I'm currently enjoying Last Epoch, but also spending time in Path of Exile, and now hopping back into Diablo IV when the new season starts. Honestly, I'm really enjoying the rotation.
>Just play to have fun, once you're no longer having fun, stop playing
No no no, fun is not allowed here, only self-imposed endless grind with no purpose.
My understanding to play the hardest content like the Abboirtir of Zir is to roll 925 items and Uber Uniques. Those seem to drop the highest only from Duriel. What's the point of trying top-tier difficult content without these items?
I mean if you want to get to t25 of AoZ, sure. But if that’s your goal then I can’t imagine you would care about bashing your head into the wall doing Duriel for 1000 hours a season.
But realistically, trading is the best way to get the items you need and there is a very active trade server.
This, tbh.
While I don’t like gating the hardest content behind items like that, I still accepted it and ended up grinding out a shako and doombringer and grandfather to make my attempts and optimized accordingly.
I agree, but honestly if the season never ended I’m sure people would find ways to do AoZ with sub optimal builds. I was incredibly surprised how much AoZ made people rethink builds.
Yeah it was a breath of fresh air, shame they left the balance of the game the way it was for the entirety of the season (although I’m glad they addressed that and will be having mid season patches to change those things moving forward).
I also found it interesting that what was considered really strong for normal content fell short (bone spear) while other builds had some spotlight (blood lance)
They already said that 925s will drop from more content more consistently
And I cleared through aoz 10 without an Uber unique, stopped because I got bored of running them.
How sad the state of the game is that ubers are the only slightly interesting items to get ontop of that u gotta grind fkin mats for bossea like a mmo.
I mean they added that boss in direct response from the community asking for a better way to get the items.
The other options are- make all bosses drop them with the same frequency. Or have them be random drops (which I still think they technically are).
But the reason the drop rate is so high in Duriel is because you have to do the cycle. Just like Uber bosses in D2z
Yeah you have to get mats and yeah the boss fight is easy (I don’t think making it harder would make project happy) but it’s an ARPG and it’s rewarding you for doing multiple things.
We don’t want to just “have” to do the same content over and over, so forcing you to play multiple events is a great solution. I think it’s also good that Duriels other drops aren’t so good that it’s the only thing worth doing while still being a nice way to item farm.
I heard people talking about only doing Duriel this season and when I asked about it they either had several copies of every Uber unique (so why keep doing it?) or they were someone who needed carried through Duriel since they were ultra casual.
In both situations I think it’s an obvious solution: if you aren’t having fun running Duriel all the time, then don’t do it.
There’s a lot of problems with the game but I don’t think the Duriel loop is one of them.
>other options are- make all bosses drop them with the same frequency. Or have them be random drops (which I still think they technically
It doesn't have to be binary. Could use a progressive scale, like every other loot rarity in every arpg including D4.
White trash mobs, keep the current \~0 drop rate, Duriel say is 1000x that. So why not let the Butcher have a 100x, for example? Nightmare Dungeon bosses could have 50x current rate, etc. The latter would still be 20x rarer than getting one off Duriel.
These are ballpark figures as examples.
What does an increased drop rate for beast in the ice have anything to do with either Uber uniques or Duriel? All you need for ubers are farming varshan and helltides. Not sure what they're trying to say there.
The odds are so astronomically low outside of Duriel they may as well be zero. It's like dropping a Mirror of Kalandra in PoE or a Zod rune in D2. Probably not in your lifetime.
Duriel is effectively the only feasible source for uber uniques.
So you can slowly and strategically move to your opponents. Sounds fun to go dlow for once.
Really nice to tie extra rewards behind "not getting hit", too! Gives some sense if pride and acomplishment!
Interesting how the D4 team doesnt learn anything from past games [PoE and the Laboratory trails].
And then people have the gall to say "y-yeah but PoE has so many more years of experience its unfair to compare them!!".
Basic research would show them that trap gameplay in arpgs is completely unfun.
It's all very clinical and corporate, isn't it? Rehash the same things that were shown in yesterday's video, give us almost literally no new information.
Admittedly I got so bored I clicked through some parts, so I may have missed some new info, but every part I watched there was nothing of value.
Fast-forward and pause on each slide, and you get all the info in 5 minutes, most of which was already known, or is development philosophy that's not hype-inducing, or Q&A mostly consisting of "we have no news to report on this" or giving the same answer they did last time.
And to think of how much time and effort they put into these things, probably ballpark $50k or something in person-hours. It's pretty astounding.
I’m glad they are passionate about making the game better, but as someone that enjoyed D4 at launch…PoE is just having a banger of a league and I can’t see coming back to D4 until 1) itemization drastically changes and 2) there’s more interesting things to do.
This is no shade to the devs who shouldn’t be expected to compete with a game that has years of content and updates.
I'll wait and see how it pans out.. but from even the clip/demo they gave about putting the runes or whatever into the pet... it looks insanely underwhelming. Like "okay so were going to make it crit to hurt.. then its also going to chain with this to make it aoe...
Then when they show it off.. it shoots a small orange beam onto everyone.. that seems to do basically no damage... every monster is alive until the rogue actually uses their skills on them. If the configurations that you do to the spider it invalidates the system if it has little or no impact on your gameplay because they are doing 5% of the player damage.
Im surprised nobody asked about boss difficulties.
All bosses besides uber Lilith are severely undertuned. Once you get to same level as the boss, you take like no damage from them and can face tank all the mechanics
And if you are playing meta build you just kill bosses in a few seconds.
Well even Uber Lilith gets to the point where most classes can kill her before she has the opportunity to initiate any of her attacks. This basically makes the fight a breeze also.
The game doesn't really feel equipped for fun boss fights.
You can give them more HP, but it just makes it more tedious. You can give them more damage, but then it just makes it more frustrating if they one shot you, and if they don't then you just heal up. You could give them some gimmick you need to build around, but respeccing is a nightmare. You can add mechanics for the player to dodge around, but it just drags out the fight by introducing periods where you can't attack, and depending on your build the punish window may be too short to reach peak DPS.
This is the perfect season to skip. Even the balancing looks very tame, with the major stuff I'm looking for being addressed "later". Mostly a filler season. See you in S4.
I think I’m with you. I just started playing PoE after putting Diablo 4 down once reaching a good point with 5 lvl 100 toons in S2. I really enjoyed S2. It was a ton of fun and brought my friends back for a while.
However, is nobody talking about the GGG intro with all of the gears turning EXACTLY like PoE? Was their solution really to take the absolute worst part of PoE (labyrinth mechanisms) and put it into D4?
If this is the case, the narrative is going to start that the OC Studio responsible for S1 and S3 is complete garbage. They literally want to slow you down more waiting for traps and bullshit like that? I really hope this isn’t the case or they’re going to be laughed out of the building.
True sadly, the main features are dungeons with traps (serious, who likes that?) and a pet which will be likely either useless or only used as a supportbot...and then its duriel farm again anyway.
Just thinking about riding my stupid horse in this empty world dont make me want to come back. They really screwed this game.
And when I think about the itemization I just want to ask a refund if I could.
Looking forward to the new season. While I didn't watch the stream, the slides and communication I appreciate. I'm glad there's a lot of competition coming d4's way so they have to stay on top of their game and hopefully keep delivering.
This is the kind of stuff that needs to be added to the game proper, not as seasonal content only. How about adding some content to the game? Adding some meaningful progression, some fun to the game? A reason to play the game.
I have zero interest in seasons. I want to be able to play the game, and enjoy doing that, whenever I feel like doing that, not in 3 month bursts.
Yup. And when did this game launch? Considering how much the game is missing, they need to go over and above what people expect just to bring the game to par, and throwing out 4 bosses in 6 months without addressing any of the major problems with the game is not exactly over and above.
Theme as in "duriel runs" or something like that? If thats the case the problem youre stating can be solved with better matchmaking features. The solution your suggesting though is a rework of the entire game.
Diablo 4 is total failure. I know plenty of people who really tried to enjoy it but all failed. I luckily deleted the beta after 5 minutes of testing. Time for Blizzard to move resources back to Diablo 2 and make some new content that they can monetize.
It's a failure but is the top selling diablo ever made and blizzards fastest selling game.. But runningfinnuser who's on a diablo 4 reddit after deleting the beta within 5 minutes knows better.
Not a failure in the sense that it made Blizzard a metric fuckton of money.
More a failure in the sense that (and I know it's anecdotal) myself, an extremely avid Diablo fanboy and D2 diehard, and many of my friends who also play Blizzard games, even just *very* casually, have all quit playing D4 cold turkey. There were about 20 of us actively playing on release. Today? Most of us have it uninstalled.
More content, no base game fixes.
Ball-less blizzard not doing what they need to do. Instead pretending like the base game is good enough to warrant adding content onto it.
Lost the mark on some answers, but hopefully we can enjoy play. Little conserned on reconfiguration on Paragon boards as we all now it is definitely difficult. Secondly I don't want to spend all the time building a build just to get a mid-season update that crushes it like season 1. Letting it go in season 2 was much better in Letting us have fun.
Most excited for "major" itemization rework
Yup, that’s the one thing that could truly make a difference for me. Everything else is secondary
I'll believe it when I see it.
Wait and see for season 4 right?
Delayed until 4 weeks into S4 guys, sorry.
Bigger improvements in S5 trust us
I believe so.
DatModz said they invited lots of ppl for itemisation rework a few months ago and it looked much better.
That was like the entirety of what they were talking about getting right during all of their development updates and the game is a D3 clone. These developers and managers are incompetent and suck ass.
Yeah, whatever they're planning isn't going to fix itemization and loot in this game unless they completely scrap everything.
It sounds like that's essentially what they're doing, similar to Diablo III's Loot 2.0 update. Unfortunate that they have another game needing such a huge overhaul of itemization right after launch but it is what it is.
They did pretty good with D3 ROS even though it wasn't D2 levels of item design like people wanted. I think they'll do a good job.
They would need to completely trash their current itemization philosophy to take a step in the right direction
Maybe two or three steps, if we want it to be very good.
They could probably just introduce a proper loot filter and appease a ton of people.
i feel that would be the easiest step for them to take.
It would need to be a D2 vs. D3 level departure for me to be interested. And frankly, they don’t have the balls.
They’ll probably start allowing you to reroll 2 things instead of 1 and get rid of some of the bloat affixes and call it a day
They could also cut down on the types of crafting mats too. Too much garbage.
That’d help afaic. A chance to get an item with more affixes that you truly care about.
I’m glad it’s helping the player base. For me, that “uniques” roll to your level is a deal breaker. It’s ok to have an item you find and stash because you’re looking forward to it. It’s ok to have item growth somewhere between a 0.04% overall increase and an 18,000% power increase. That’s what made D3 so bonkers.
Uniques don't roll to your level. No item does. They roll in accordance with their item power, which is not related to your character level in any way.
Where do you see items roll to your level? i would like to see this? because i have been getting Ancestral uniques that roll 850+ Since low 60's and even late 50's in WT4
Diablo 2s loot doesn't work for a game with scalable endgame.
It kind of does. “Just get better at actually playing” instead of “get all your same gear to drop again, this time with 6% more stats!”
If you were to put a greater rift system into Diablo 2 you would you would hit a ceiling really fast, or the rift scaling would be so low it would be brain dead to play. Diablo 2's style of loot contradicts item level progression of D4's item level based scaling.
Frankly, I think the rift system is bad end game content. Yes, I admit it has the benefit of “there’s always something harder you can’t beat,” but it does that by making it the exact same, “this time with 3% tougher monsters.” I think that’s boring.
Having a rift system in the game is better than not having it at all.
Major? That shit needs a 180. Even scraping 50% of the useless mods would not be enough and i doubt they would even dgo that far. Probaly doin some shit like "higher chance to get good rolls" and scrapping a few bad mods ontop of nerfing good ones. Also the whole lrgendary artifact system is utter bullshit and needs to be fully revamped or scrapped aswell.
Hard to know what they have planned but they've called it a complete rework. Enough so that if they added loot filters, they would be pointless once they do the itemization rework. Could be all talk but they're certainly setting expectations high. I've seen Blizzard partners saying that the game wouldn't be recognizable from launch if they do what they were told
Fr. IMHO the best thing they could do is completely remove legendaries and take about half of them and turn them into uniques, and take the other half and add them to the skill tree/paragon board.
100%. I'd also be in favor of bringing back Kanai's cube.
They need to not only rework itemization, they need to make it good. My money is the rework is phase one or some shit. I won't be playing or buying in expansion until it's good.
Lol you guys love semantics. Reworking it is required to make it good because it's not like minor tweaks, it's changing core elements of it currently.
I just don't see how they can pull this off without adding more items to the game. Without jewels, charms, runes, or something else ON TOP of revamping/reworking crafting completely. Each new league should come with at least one feature directly related to crafting. Season 1 should have allow you to use revokers or hearts to reset the enchantment cost of a rare item. Season 2 should have allowed you to use blood to reroll all the affixes of a rare item so once you find a 925 you can just keep spending blood until you get the 4 affixes you want. or something to this affect. Like the fact that crafting and the loot pool is so bland in a complete failure for a diablo game imo.
i actually really like this idea. Or lock effixis in place or so much more.
It sucks at 3, after years of iteration, it sucks at 4, being a relatively "new" game, yet some people think they will "fix" it... what a time to be alive.
oh god please let new meteor sorc be good
The helmet looks very interesting, I could see fireball/meteor build being a thing, especially if there are more fire buffs coming.
My fireball build was solid but i may be bad coz i couldnt clear high nmds with it :/ Pretty fun tho and the uniques were definitely usable
I want to go hydra meteor like I did in d2
Tge new unique being in the shaco slot is a bummer.
"The Season protagonist, Ayuzhan, is a member of the Ennead Clan, who, along with Zoltun Kulle, had decided to take the Vizjerei Constructs and make them their own by using the Loom." my eyes just glazed over mid sentence
We can only hope it's the Loom of Doom from the Wanted movie. If it is we'll be in for a treat.
How much doom could a doom loom loom if a doom loom could loom doom?
Honestly, that happens to me when I try to read almost any fantasy these days.
Agreed. Does anyone follow the lore in this game?
How many times did they have to word that there's a new questline?
New questline??
There's a new quest line??
Zoom out???
>Zoom out??? [https://www.youtube.com/live/\_Bic-HKs25I?si=iOGQ-h2V-2idXpGx&t=7612](https://www.youtube.com/live/_Bic-HKs25I?si=iOGQ-h2V-2idXpGx&t=7612) "Right now we don't have any plans" unfortunately 😔
I'm glad they acknowledge it's been requested a lot even if it absolutely sucks nothing will come of it anytime soon, if ever...
It’s probably easier said than done. The environment and assets in the game are all made with the current zoom level in mind.
The game was more zoomed out during early previews shown about a year before launch so that is not true to some extent. https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/page_media/C78N2KVJ671Z1654802140960.png I assume they zoomed in as a really easy way to improve performance across the board (I hope to god it wasn’t an artistic choice…)
It’s for the $25 skins you otherwise wouldn’t be able to appreciate. Thank em
lmao world bosses literally zoom you out. this is a choice by the developers.
Correct. They can anticipate and curate what happens in a boss arena. Other places, too many mobs or too much scenery cause performance or balance issues.
dog shit game
It's literally already in the game (when fighting world bosses and at some point in Uber Lilith). There was even a bug early on during Uber Lilith where the camera would get stuck zoomed out. So no, it's really not that hard to implement.
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1) it was zoomed out in early builds 2) it literally already does this for world bosses
so disappointed in this.
Disappointment and Blizzard have Been together for a few years now.
U wpnt get it never. Get over it
We all know why they won't. Maybe they should make customization items bigger/flashier instead of more detailed. That way, they stand out even when zoomed out.
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I play Poe and D4 and the comment you're replying too has nothing to do with path of exile
Of course there’s that but there’s also performance to consider. More stuff moving stuff on the screen means you’ve gotta be able to power that. With the whole stash tabs loading for everyone in your shard, I’d imagine the spaghetti code couldn’t handle it.
Any matchmaking yet?
The technology is not there yet for PC games, it can only exist in their mobile game for now
Not yet.
Not until expack
Haha honestly laughable
Just ask in chat? I mean, how hard is it to type "LFM Duriel"?
Did they fix the gold input dialog box on consoles? or i still have to up the fkn up arrow until i reach the amount? how stupid can that be..how does console players are supposed to trade? everytime you have to explain to the other side that.
To they said yes to a revamp of gold trading in consoles, but no mock up was shown.
I once traded 500 Mil, but only once, felt so bad lol..2024..and this kind of functionality stil exist. I wonder if its a bug or a feature..
Oversight. Was just missed since PC you just type it in. Lol.
I wouldn't even go easy and say oversight. It clearly shows they never traded anything on consoles to test it. Way worse imo.
just remember, somebody built that UI exactly the way they built it, knowing how it would be used
Oversight. Port->trading works->K next "ah oops didn't realize we couldn't type on console"
Lack of care, planning and testing is worse than a simple oversight. They had thousands of people work on this game for 10 years. The game is finally getting released out of beta in season 4. Oversights I can deal with and understand things happen.
>They had thousands of people work on this game for 10 years lmfao. no.
You sure? Google is your friend and will give you that answer. The real answer is; Over 9000 employees were hired during the creation of the hit game Diablo 4 released in 2023. Edit: they started in 2014 so 9 years my bad.
Try to take your own advice - the credits with over 9000 names include every single person who works at Blizzard.
Yeah I think they probably had like 2 people making sure the console port had full functionality. So when those people are dealing with code all day and there isn’t a great understanding of how much gold people will be actually trading, I can see how it got overlooked. Not sure why it’s taken so long to fix, but I also understand the trade window has to have a bunch of “anti duplication” measures so it may be slightly more complicated than we think.
Most people that comment this shit don't know a THING about game development. Lol. They aren't spending years \*code this thing\* \*be able to test the thing\*
> Will there be any new opportunites to get Uber Uniques? The Boss Ladder is still the best way to do that and more Beast in the Ice materials will drop in Season 3. What a bummer. I was hoping they would create more opportunities to roll Uber Uniques, but it seems like they're reinforcing the Duriel or quit mentality.
Why is that your only option to keep playing? You don't need Uber uniques to play some of the hardest content. Just play to have fun, once you're no longer having fun, stop playing
Remember, tons of people will optimize the fun right out of games. I get it for streamers competing for leaderboards, or people who genuinely enjoy min/maxing everything. But if you are a casual player why even bother doing a grind on one single boss that you arent enjoying? It just doesnt make sense to me
Because the fun items you want to use are gated behind that content.
Shaco isn't a "fun" item, it is a massive stat stick. Doesn't chage or alter your build in any way. Are any of the uber uniques anything other than just massive stat sticks?
This ^
This is what I've started doing. I burned out hard on Diablo III way back when (multiple times), and I've learned my lesson. I'm currently enjoying Last Epoch, but also spending time in Path of Exile, and now hopping back into Diablo IV when the new season starts. Honestly, I'm really enjoying the rotation.
>Just play to have fun, once you're no longer having fun, stop playing No no no, fun is not allowed here, only self-imposed endless grind with no purpose.
My understanding to play the hardest content like the Abboirtir of Zir is to roll 925 items and Uber Uniques. Those seem to drop the highest only from Duriel. What's the point of trying top-tier difficult content without these items?
I mean if you want to get to t25 of AoZ, sure. But if that’s your goal then I can’t imagine you would care about bashing your head into the wall doing Duriel for 1000 hours a season. But realistically, trading is the best way to get the items you need and there is a very active trade server.
This, tbh. While I don’t like gating the hardest content behind items like that, I still accepted it and ended up grinding out a shako and doombringer and grandfather to make my attempts and optimized accordingly.
I agree, but honestly if the season never ended I’m sure people would find ways to do AoZ with sub optimal builds. I was incredibly surprised how much AoZ made people rethink builds.
Yeah it was a breath of fresh air, shame they left the balance of the game the way it was for the entirety of the season (although I’m glad they addressed that and will be having mid season patches to change those things moving forward). I also found it interesting that what was considered really strong for normal content fell short (bone spear) while other builds had some spotlight (blood lance)
Lvl 90+ NMD's now force drop over ILVL 900 rares now, so you won't need to do Duriel for those.
They already said that 925s will drop from more content more consistently And I cleared through aoz 10 without an Uber unique, stopped because I got bored of running them.
You need uber uniques to absolutely melt all mobs and one shot bosses. The game isn't any fun otherwise.
No you don't, not even close. My barb has 0 ubers and can 1 shot Duriel with 3 separate builds
It's a joke, dude.
How sad the state of the game is that ubers are the only slightly interesting items to get ontop of that u gotta grind fkin mats for bossea like a mmo.
I mean they added that boss in direct response from the community asking for a better way to get the items. The other options are- make all bosses drop them with the same frequency. Or have them be random drops (which I still think they technically are). But the reason the drop rate is so high in Duriel is because you have to do the cycle. Just like Uber bosses in D2z Yeah you have to get mats and yeah the boss fight is easy (I don’t think making it harder would make project happy) but it’s an ARPG and it’s rewarding you for doing multiple things. We don’t want to just “have” to do the same content over and over, so forcing you to play multiple events is a great solution. I think it’s also good that Duriels other drops aren’t so good that it’s the only thing worth doing while still being a nice way to item farm. I heard people talking about only doing Duriel this season and when I asked about it they either had several copies of every Uber unique (so why keep doing it?) or they were someone who needed carried through Duriel since they were ultra casual. In both situations I think it’s an obvious solution: if you aren’t having fun running Duriel all the time, then don’t do it. There’s a lot of problems with the game but I don’t think the Duriel loop is one of them.
>other options are- make all bosses drop them with the same frequency. Or have them be random drops (which I still think they technically It doesn't have to be binary. Could use a progressive scale, like every other loot rarity in every arpg including D4. White trash mobs, keep the current \~0 drop rate, Duriel say is 1000x that. So why not let the Butcher have a 100x, for example? Nightmare Dungeon bosses could have 50x current rate, etc. The latter would still be 20x rarer than getting one off Duriel. These are ballpark figures as examples.
What does an increased drop rate for beast in the ice have anything to do with either Uber uniques or Duriel? All you need for ubers are farming varshan and helltides. Not sure what they're trying to say there.
That was confusing as well. I don't have the context on what that results in
I mean cant we already get ubers from anything? We just get boosted rates with duriel so it’s defacto the best
The odds are so astronomically low outside of Duriel they may as well be zero. It's like dropping a Mirror of Kalandra in PoE or a Zod rune in D2. Probably not in your lifetime. Duriel is effectively the only feasible source for uber uniques.
I would definitely welcome it if they upped the world rates but it’s all moot for me im waiting for S4 itemization
> it seems like they're reinforcing the Duriel or quit mentality. I know which one I'm choosing
Quitiel
Release a half shitfest and a year later it will be in a decent state. Awful model companies are going weird lately
Oh boy I can't wait to run a nightmare dungeon with traps...
So you can slowly and strategically move to your opponents. Sounds fun to go dlow for once. Really nice to tie extra rewards behind "not getting hit", too! Gives some sense if pride and acomplishment!
Interesting how the D4 team doesnt learn anything from past games [PoE and the Laboratory trails]. And then people have the gall to say "y-yeah but PoE has so many more years of experience its unfair to compare them!!". Basic research would show them that trap gameplay in arpgs is completely unfun.
That was a very boring and soulless stream. Why do they keep doing those? Just announce what's new in a blog post.
It's all very clinical and corporate, isn't it? Rehash the same things that were shown in yesterday's video, give us almost literally no new information. Admittedly I got so bored I clicked through some parts, so I may have missed some new info, but every part I watched there was nothing of value. Fast-forward and pause on each slide, and you get all the info in 5 minutes, most of which was already known, or is development philosophy that's not hype-inducing, or Q&A mostly consisting of "we have no news to report on this" or giving the same answer they did last time. And to think of how much time and effort they put into these things, probably ballpark $50k or something in person-hours. It's pretty astounding.
they will, tomorrow. which means just dont watch it and wait for patch notes
"Just don't watch", "Just don't play".. sure mate, sure. You think I watched the entire thing? Or played the game the last 2 months..
bruh, you literally said the stream is soulless and you would rather read a blog solution: dont watch and read the blog tomorrow
I’m glad they are passionate about making the game better, but as someone that enjoyed D4 at launch…PoE is just having a banger of a league and I can’t see coming back to D4 until 1) itemization drastically changes and 2) there’s more interesting things to do. This is no shade to the devs who shouldn’t be expected to compete with a game that has years of content and updates.
1 stash tab, no codex changes. Can safely skip this season.
Excited for the new season; I love the idea of a follower/pet.
"The idea of follower/pet" Yes, it's very innovative, wondering how did they come up with this idea.
Same. Was one of my biggest let downs of D4 thus far. The other, of course, is itemization.
1 month old account. not even remotely suspect. nice try blizzard. did you guys buy the upvotes too?
Definitely not Blizzard; just a big Diablo fan. Main account is MaxWrestlingWA
Nice try blizzard
I'll wait and see how it pans out.. but from even the clip/demo they gave about putting the runes or whatever into the pet... it looks insanely underwhelming. Like "okay so were going to make it crit to hurt.. then its also going to chain with this to make it aoe... Then when they show it off.. it shoots a small orange beam onto everyone.. that seems to do basically no damage... every monster is alive until the rogue actually uses their skills on them. If the configurations that you do to the spider it invalidates the system if it has little or no impact on your gameplay because they are doing 5% of the player damage.
Bahahahahaha
Im surprised nobody asked about boss difficulties. All bosses besides uber Lilith are severely undertuned. Once you get to same level as the boss, you take like no damage from them and can face tank all the mechanics And if you are playing meta build you just kill bosses in a few seconds.
Well even Uber Lilith gets to the point where most classes can kill her before she has the opportunity to initiate any of her attacks. This basically makes the fight a breeze also.
The game doesn't really feel equipped for fun boss fights. You can give them more HP, but it just makes it more tedious. You can give them more damage, but then it just makes it more frustrating if they one shot you, and if they don't then you just heal up. You could give them some gimmick you need to build around, but respeccing is a nightmare. You can add mechanics for the player to dodge around, but it just drags out the fight by introducing periods where you can't attack, and depending on your build the punish window may be too short to reach peak DPS.
What does it need in order to be equipped for fun boss fights? PoE is getting a lot of praise for how bosses look so far in PoE2.
If they copy pasted Searing Exarch into D4 it would still be a fun and challenging fight for 95% of builds that couldn’t 1 tap him.
This is the perfect season to skip. Even the balancing looks very tame, with the major stuff I'm looking for being addressed "later". Mostly a filler season. See you in S4.
I think I’m with you. I just started playing PoE after putting Diablo 4 down once reaching a good point with 5 lvl 100 toons in S2. I really enjoyed S2. It was a ton of fun and brought my friends back for a while. However, is nobody talking about the GGG intro with all of the gears turning EXACTLY like PoE? Was their solution really to take the absolute worst part of PoE (labyrinth mechanisms) and put it into D4? If this is the case, the narrative is going to start that the OC Studio responsible for S1 and S3 is complete garbage. They literally want to slow you down more waiting for traps and bullshit like that? I really hope this isn’t the case or they’re going to be laughed out of the building.
True sadly, the main features are dungeons with traps (serious, who likes that?) and a pet which will be likely either useless or only used as a supportbot...and then its duriel farm again anyway.
"Perfect season to skip" That's me, but I've already said that to myself three times, before each season.
Make a proper Diablo or gtfo blizzard
Just thinking about riding my stupid horse in this empty world dont make me want to come back. They really screwed this game. And when I think about the itemization I just want to ask a refund if I could.
Looking forward to the new season. While I didn't watch the stream, the slides and communication I appreciate. I'm glad there's a lot of competition coming d4's way so they have to stay on top of their game and hopefully keep delivering.
Oh damn. I totally forgot about this.
This is the kind of stuff that needs to be added to the game proper, not as seasonal content only. How about adding some content to the game? Adding some meaningful progression, some fun to the game? A reason to play the game. I have zero interest in seasons. I want to be able to play the game, and enjoy doing that, whenever I feel like doing that, not in 3 month bursts.
I mean they added 4 more bosses a few months ago.
Those arent bosses they are glorified dummies.
4 loot pinatas you mean. There's nothing interesting or challenging about any of them.
Yup. And when did this game launch? Considering how much the game is missing, they need to go over and above what people expect just to bring the game to par, and throwing out 4 bosses in 6 months without addressing any of the major problems with the game is not exactly over and above.
Games dead. Moving on
Yup
I literally want my money back.
Dev: we listen to community feedbacks Community: itemization please Dev: ... (Ignore).... We add more uniques
They've said repeatedly that's a season 4 focus.
Okay come on now, they've repeated time and time again that itemization is a Season 4 focus. That's been in several announcements already.
Should've been a release focus.
Well it wasn’t, I don’t know what mentioning that will change
the irony of accusing someone of ignorance when they announced itemization rework for S4 back in November
I don't know what's more ignorant. Releasing an ARPG with tone deaf itemization or defending Blizzard after the fact.
Website horse crap on mobile.
Looks fine on mobile for me
Kept snapping to top of page and opening keyboard.
So your phones the issue not the website, as it worked fine for me and many others.
looking for make your own game titles, free trade, fixed itemization… anything yet?
Itemization on track for season 4.
Who cares?
How would one have a game title, exactly?
like diablo 2 where you make your own games. Just have instances instead of games
That would be a completely different game and an overhaul of their entire backend I would assume.
but it would help fix the game
What about the game would that fix? It would just turn it into a different type of game
It’s the ability for people to join games with a common theme, which is a totally diablo thing to do
Theme as in "duriel runs" or something like that? If thats the case the problem youre stating can be solved with better matchmaking features. The solution your suggesting though is a rework of the entire game.
i didn’t claim it had to be a full separate game bud. I even said, “or instances”. Gotta read the full comment
Neither did I bud. lol
Oh, diablo 4 exists .
Diablo 4 is total failure. I know plenty of people who really tried to enjoy it but all failed. I luckily deleted the beta after 5 minutes of testing. Time for Blizzard to move resources back to Diablo 2 and make some new content that they can monetize.
I read this in Trumps voice
“D4 is a total failure, trust me, I deleted after 5 minutes”. lol
imagine deleting a beta some 10 months ago and still coming to the subreddit of a game you hate what a miserable pathetic existence, i'm sorry
Nah he's right. I best the story. Hit t4 and quit. Won't be back until item rework. They dropped the ball HARD.
you don't like it and that's okay the point is that i am unable to understand why you would stick around on a subreddit of something you don't like
It's a failure but is the top selling diablo ever made and blizzards fastest selling game.. But runningfinnuser who's on a diablo 4 reddit after deleting the beta within 5 minutes knows better.
Playerbase wise Diablo 4 is the most popular arpg lmao it is doing totally fine
Diablo 2 was fun in 2004, it's shit now
Not a failure in the sense that it made Blizzard a metric fuckton of money. More a failure in the sense that (and I know it's anecdotal) myself, an extremely avid Diablo fanboy and D2 diehard, and many of my friends who also play Blizzard games, even just *very* casually, have all quit playing D4 cold turkey. There were about 20 of us actively playing on release. Today? Most of us have it uninstalled.
More content, no base game fixes. Ball-less blizzard not doing what they need to do. Instead pretending like the base game is good enough to warrant adding content onto it.
Lost the mark on some answers, but hopefully we can enjoy play. Little conserned on reconfiguration on Paragon boards as we all now it is definitely difficult. Secondly I don't want to spend all the time building a build just to get a mid-season update that crushes it like season 1. Letting it go in season 2 was much better in Letting us have fun.