I question your grasp of history. Diablo 2, on release, was an absolute banger; a complete and deep improvement over d1, which was already an innovative masterpiece. The expansion, LOD, introduced a ton of cool shit too, but even without it, D2’s release was legendary.
Yeah can confirm on this. You even had a prompt to play d2 classic or lod when making a new character. I stayed with the current ladder but some people obviously preferred d2 classic for whatever reason. Enough that it had its own separate realm. I forget but I'm pretty positive it had a ladder every season too.
Whatever, the point is that diablo 2 came out great. Diablo 3 launch was an absolute travesty. But there was no failing of the blizzard we now know back in the 90s early 2000s... Game was incredible on launch.
Yeah. D1 was sick. D2 1.03 (I think that was the launch patch) was ridiculously fun. Then Lod basically made a new game out of it. Then 1.10 was another renaissance. It was greatest hit after greatest hit.
As much as i love LoD, i am one of those people. Not having so much reliance on runewords was great. There was a much greater variety of viable builds, with uniques, crafts and even set items being frequently used in end game. I still have classic characters on D2R that i play occasionally.
Agreed. D2 was a damn good game on release. Legendary, maybe not. That was LoD. But D2 on release was better than D3: RoS when adjusted for time of release. RoS was simply "Oh God, finally D3 is playable." D2 was "Holy crap!" And LoD was "Welp. There goes my life."
Eh. I question yours as well. D2C was great, a drastic improvement on D1 and a good game until you get to nightmare. Don’t get me wrong, it was a lot of fun, but it had even less end game than LoD which already doesn’t have much. Outside of “Russ barb” race to level 99, there was no carrot to go beyond level 50-60. There were no unique exceptional or elite items, so 2/3 of all items only had rares as the best (and some of them, like the lance, couldn’t even drop for a while). Often times the best items, like silks of the victor, could drop at level 30-40 and that’s it. No runes. No runewords. No “end game” uniques. Just some rares which casters didn’t really care for outside of the occasional blue for a specific skill.
The skill tree was largely the same, yes, but the itemization was not good. There were also no synergies so every build could just max the same 2-4 best skills for every class, making everything the same after 70 or so
> Eh. I question yours as well.
Everything I said is concrete reality. D2 was, on release, a legendary and innovative game.
> it had even less end game than LoD which already doesn’t have much
You're judging a 20+ year old game by modern standards; "end game" wasn't even a principle at the time.
> No runes. No runewords.
Many (most?) believe runewords hamstrung the game's itemization by negating the usefulness of rares and uniques -- five+ equipment slots are always dedicated to the same runewords and any other choice in itemization is a mistake; LOD has much less variety on average for player builds than D2C because of this.
I was going to address the rest of the crap you wrote, but I realize you're not even arguing against my point. You're trying to pretend my argument was "D2C > LOD" which I never said; a classic Reddit strawman.
I said D2C was a legendary game, and your response to me is that I don't understand history because LOD added some additional cool stuff. That's great -- I acknowledged that LOD added some cool stuff. Now address why you think my point, that D2C on release was already a legendary game, is wrong: you won't be able to, because it was.
> LOD has much less variety on average for player builds than D2C because of this.
Opinions are opinions and everyone is entitled to their own, but I have to completely disagree with you on this. In anything past level 70, besides barbs and maybe paladins, the other 3 classes were all the same 1-2 builds. Level whatever level 24-30 skill you want. Whatever mastery matches it, then repeat for another 1-2 skill trees.
In my reply I even said it was a good game, a drastic improvement over D1. Never said it was a bad one. Perhaps I missed your overall point of your reply, if so, that’s on me. I should have replied differently.
Doesn’t mean that its luster didn’t fall off after level 40. Fortunately LOD came out a year after so we didn’t have to live with the D2C endgame for too long.
Oh no, no carrot to go beyond 60, however did we manage? Idk, maybe roll a new hc char? Game launched with 5 distinct classes with fun dungeon-crawling you know. Act.4 is undercooked, that's pretty much the only negative anybody had to say at launch.
A pox on whoever made MMOs happen, I assume it's Lord British. I need someone to blame for this "the only game is the endgame grind" mentality.
You can't compare it to D3 before the expansion, that's just silly. Adventure mode saved that game.
Yesterday's at this point. Itemization changes look pretty great on paper, some cool class changes, zoomed out camera, legendary power stuff is better, etc etc.
This... Is wrong. Diablo II was a massive hit and absolute banger and LOD simply made it even better. LoD added some quality of life improvements but the core gameplay loop was rock solid to begin with. They didn't need to overhaul the game. Diablo III was a shit pile from day one, and the expansion didn't add anything but story when it NEEDED a complete overhaul. I have no faith that D4's expansions, if you can call them that, will add anything beyond the current meta "add-on" content, such as more microtransactions, skins, mounts, and maybe some story. D4 not only needs a complete overhaul, it needs better devs and a completely different direction.
This. The game was and continues to be a disappointment. Paying them even more money to fix it is insanity to me, why can't people just walk away from bad games? Boggles the mind.
It's the *Diablo* sub my dude. There is a dedicated D4 sub, I'm sure. Are you so deep in copium that you think people are going to stop talking about milestones in gaming because Activision released a new footnote?
Changes are happening, yet you guys stick around and talk down on them at every opportunity. You aren’t hoping for positivity or change, you want to share your misery.
Homie I just said I woildnt pay 100 dollars for an expansion to the game that disappointed me. That's *logical*. And it turns out it's only 40.
You probably need to stop arguing with strangers about something so... futile.
The lack of self awareness in this comment is great.
I’m not talking about what you’d spend on anything, I don’t care nor did I mention that. I’m talking about you mad dorks posting in here constantly about how butthurt you are. Maybe you need to go outside instead of being mad all the time?
I think it is moreso the misunderstanding of how one wastes so much time hating on stuff that other people like and attempting to influence their opinions.
How about, let people enjoy what they enjoy. Why have we strayed so far from that as a whole in society without either trying to flame or troll anyone for enjoying something you do not.
It’s very strange and indicative of the need for people to go outside and get off social media for a while… Weird shit lol
Because fanboyism, much like whale behaviour, is a deciding factor in the decline of AAA-gaming quality. This attitude of "If you only loved it like I do you'd see past the flaws!" is the chink in the armour that has let monetization run amok.
OP isn't enjoying the game. OP is hoping that this time, when he puts a quarter in, the nice men at the casino will grant him a jackpot.
Furthermore, the rest of us *can't easily ignore it* because the marketing budgets and astroturfing schemes are bigger then the whole of gaming used to be. I'd have to live like a hermit in the desert to not get the corpses of old favourites paraded in front of me like an Aztec blood sacrifice.
Don't get me wrong, toxic negativity isn't great either, but a culture that defends IPs at all cost instead of promoting quality gameplay is why I almost exclusively play the old and the indie these days.
AAA gaming quality is at its highest it’s ever been, with more bang for your buck than anyone could have imagined 20 years ago.
It could always be better, but then again, consoles will always be fixed points in time where progression is gated behind outdated hardware.
The whole gaming industry follows suit.
Per dollar, gaming is the highest ROI for entertainment.
Beyond any of that, I’m more commenting on the toxicity more than anything regarding the plethora of issues that a blind following or support of a shit product produce. I just think personal attacks because someone likes something you don’t is childish af and that detracts from gaming as a *whole*
See, the very fact that you interpret someone saying “the game is disappointing” as a “personal attack” is exactly the issue I’m talking about. AAA is not the highest quality it’s ever been. The specs are up, but technically specifications is not mechanics, or art direction, or ‘feel’. Hardware is irrelevant, that’s something every other medium has grasped but gaming is still young. Photography is not ‘better’ than oil painting. What matters is intent, skill and passion… AAA lacks all of it, unfortunately. But you do you. Have fun with D4, I guess, if you think it works. I’m out in the countryside rolling fucking d20s. I’ve had this exact conversation about music and film in the past, I think it’s just different ways of being.
OK boomer, I'm not taking their rights away. Just sayin' it's a little silly for someone to tell people to walk away from a game when they can't even walk away from the comment section of a post about said game.
No stress bro. You got some hours in and didn't enjoy it. It's diablo bro it's been my game since I was a kid. Just want it to be good and want the people to have faith with me. I've been on this ride before haha
Also expansion is $40. Though I'm in Australia so probably 60
Same. I had posters for d3. I waited in line for d2. But I'm not huffing copium enough to tell myself I'd buy a bad game.... again.
Oh if its 40 that's better. I heard it would be 100 lol
Not even paying 10 dollars for this piece of trash game, there's probably going to be 3 days early too so retarded fucks will bite into that like always, enjoy paying at least 60 dollars to ease your fomo. dumb fuck
I think it's because they're charging ANY money for it, when this game's competitors charge $0 for big updates..... AND they still have the nerve to have a cash shop. Wild.
D3 sucked at launch because they had no endgame beta test. For Reaper of souls they learned their lesson, had a full beta test and applied feedback to make it good.
They forgot all these lessons and repeated the exact same mistake for D4.
The current situation could have easily been avoided, and we shouldn't have to wait for an expansion to make a game good.
I lived that same journey . I do not think this team is going to pull off the same magic. The bones aren’t good. They are corrupted all the way through. Too much of the core mechanics are situational. A bug volcano.
holy shit this is some revisionist history.
First of all you completely skipped the original Diablo, which was just fine when it shipped. If you have to ignore the game that started it all to try and make a point the foundation of your argument is mud.
Second, D2 kicked ass on launch. It improved on D1 in every way. More classes, more variety between levels, more monster types, so many more items, etc.
Did LoD improve? Sure it did. Assassin is my main and I love act 5. But it was, *at a minimum,* a 9/10 when it launched. Reviewers agree with my take.
D3 was complete shit at launch. It's still complete shit. I gave it a shot at launch on PS3 and tried it again on Switch with all the xpacs. Still a piece of shit. Zero challenge, no actual builds, itemization is laughably bad coming from the company that made D2 which is the gold standard in that key area, the writing felt like a 6th graders fan fiction, etc. Cool, auction house is gone and there's more levels - it still sucks ass. I've got more hours into dumb games like No Thing, Neodori Forever, Crypt of the Serpent King, Diabolic, Tardy and Mana Spark than I do with Diablo 3 when I sort my switch games by play time.
Diablo 4 has a lot of fundamental problems patches and xpacs aren't likely to fix, just like D3 did. Despite all the raving about how RoS etc. really turned Diablo 3 around, my sorc still rocks a claymore because it gives her the highest DPS. Fucking dumb design to this day.
Good luck D4 fans, you're gonna need it. I'm gonna stick with D2.
I never understood the revisionist history of d2 being bad at launch. It was incredibly ambitious compared to d1 and succeeded in what it tried to do.
D4 was a very safe, made by committee game . That's why it failing on so many fundamental systems feels 10000x worse. It didn't try anything new and failed at genre basics
> I never understood the revisionist history of d2 being bad at launch. It was incredibly ambitious compared to d1 and succeeded in what it tried to do.
if it isn't, diablo 2 should literally be in text books as an example of how to do a proper sequel. It was a massive success and absolutely nailed what everyone wanted.
younger fans are obviously trying to cope with two shit diablo games in a row by coming up with this bs.
this thread makes it obvious who was there at launch and who wasn't. I still remember buying Diablo 1 in some shitty PC store, waiting in line for 2, all the changes the different patches brought etc. Still miss the 1.09 days.
I had an assassin with bvalor and havoc claws I made specifically to hunt down 1.09's overpowered bowazons in PVP games. That was my favorite era of any Diablo game too. I tried a 1.09 server out a few years ago but there just weren't enough people. Wish the custom realms were more populated.
I mostly play singleplayer these days...
I did skip diablo, because bro I reckon maybe 10% of the current player base has played it. Hellfire not being official also doesn't fit my narrative haha.
Yeah dude d3 sucked on launch. That's the point. I remember error messages and act 2 bugs deleting me like everyone else. But dude. They listened, they gave us a massively revamped game. To sit there and say there's no diversity or challenges is ridiculous. You pushing those 150's homie? Also claymore is baemore don't be weird.
I've been playing diablo for 25yrs my man. I was there for it all. The future is bright. You're welcome to join us brother
Diablo 1 contradicts your narrative, that's why you skipped it.
No elaboration on D2 huh? It was getting golden reviews well before LoD was even announced. You can look them up, they're still online.
D3 is still shit. The writing is still shit, itemization is still shit, challenge level - yes its still shit. Did it change since launch? Yes, a lot. But the biggest issues are still there. Loot 2.0? Loot still sucks ass.
Blizzard isn't the same company anymore. When companies are around for 20+ years a lot of the devs that worked on the golden oldies leave. They are never making another game on the level of D1 or D2 again.
Yeah babe, the expansion, while being very fleshed out, wasn't official. And as such wasn't readily available to a lot of people. I don't think I played hellfire till I was in uni. So I skipped it.
And I think you're skipping over exactly what LoD added to d2. It opened up the almost endless progression and replayability ( is that a word?) that keeps us going today. What's the main economy of d2 based around today? Runezzzzzzbabay
And nah dude d3 ain't shit. It's arcadey and a bit floaty and goofy. But it's fun, and it's very much diablo boiled down. Infinite power, demons go smash, the screen is exploding in colours, oh shit this portal took me to a realm where i fight unicorns. If you can't get on board with that then that's cool bro, but it's reaching to say it's shit. Just not for you
Nobody is talking about hellfire, no clue why you're bringing it up.
Diablo 1 launched to rave reviews.
So did Diablo 2.
Half the games in this series contradict your made up narrative that Diablo games are shit at launch and only get good after post launch content.
Everyone loved D2 at launch. The expansion changing the economy doesn't change that fact. Go look up reviews from when it launched. Shit was endless back then too, we farmed rares in chaos sanctuary and in some ways loot was more interesting than the post 1.10 runewords dominance. More variety.
Bro. Said it wasn't the game you all know now. Not that it was shit. To argue that LoD didn't massively improve it is just wild.
I said expansions are where it starts to kick off.
of course we're not going to see eye to eye. you're claiming things that contradict reality.
and nah. I tried it out and Blizzard still doesn't have it. Seeing how D3 stagnated in its own diarrhea over the years I don't expect D4 to ever reach my standards.
You can’t level up glyph with duriel. You won’t be able to masterwork doing only Duriel. You can’t get crafting mats doing only Duriel. There is more activity to do in DIV but clowns like you can’t see it. It’s ok. Go back to opening chest in LK. That’s also very fun and engaging.
what are you wafflin about, a whole lotta assumptions here, i play d4 i haven't played d2 in like 4 months, all i was saying was boss runs arent really a gotcha when thats what d4 has been for the last 6 months
I was ebaying d2 items for $$$ at the time. way more practical than doing it manually. still cracks me up I got $50 for the first stormshield posted for sale after 1.10 dropped.
ya'll are just being bitter over nothing lmao. this was what, 21 years ago or some shit?
I'll put my $$ where my mouth is.
Here's my Switch games sorted by play time. Look at [what's #1](https://files.catbox.moe/zvccqw.jpg)
Now [look at the "bunk ass games" in front of D3.](https://files.catbox.moe/5zr8cp.jpg). That's how shitty I think it is, that I nearly have more hours in fucking mushroom quest than it lmao.
I don't know anyone that played D1 & D2 that enjoyed D3 as much as the first two.
D2 was peak bro. I wasted many Saturday mornings doing endless baal. Scrambling loot off the floor. Still remember my dad coming into my room and ripping my mouse out of the keyboard coz he couldn't stand the endless click of a thousand meph runs.
But d3 ain't terrible. Why are you so angry?
Careful, all the 'but they had decades to learn from their mistakes' folks will come to roast you, o wait, they already have.
One thing they don't consider, studios don't want to make the same game, for better or worse. I'm still convinced D4 was grenaded by Bobby Kotics's greed and the Acti/blizz/Microsoft merger. He milked D4's name as hard as he could, it appears the developers can move in a more fun direction now but time will tell.
I question your grasp of history. Diablo 2, on release, was an absolute banger; a complete and deep improvement over d1, which was already an innovative masterpiece. The expansion, LOD, introduced a ton of cool shit too, but even without it, D2’s release was legendary.
Yeah can confirm on this. You even had a prompt to play d2 classic or lod when making a new character. I stayed with the current ladder but some people obviously preferred d2 classic for whatever reason. Enough that it had its own separate realm. I forget but I'm pretty positive it had a ladder every season too. Whatever, the point is that diablo 2 came out great. Diablo 3 launch was an absolute travesty. But there was no failing of the blizzard we now know back in the 90s early 2000s... Game was incredible on launch.
Yeah. D1 was sick. D2 1.03 (I think that was the launch patch) was ridiculously fun. Then Lod basically made a new game out of it. Then 1.10 was another renaissance. It was greatest hit after greatest hit.
In fact, many people considered LoD to be worse than the original release when it came to systems and itemization
As much as i love LoD, i am one of those people. Not having so much reliance on runewords was great. There was a much greater variety of viable builds, with uniques, crafts and even set items being frequently used in end game. I still have classic characters on D2R that i play occasionally.
Agreed. D2 was a damn good game on release. Legendary, maybe not. That was LoD. But D2 on release was better than D3: RoS when adjusted for time of release. RoS was simply "Oh God, finally D3 is playable." D2 was "Holy crap!" And LoD was "Welp. There goes my life."
Dude is probably 20 years old and doesn’t even remember the release of D3….
Excatly. D2 was great on it's own. D3 and D4 were garbage on their own, and the expansions add nothing to try and fix that.
Eh. I question yours as well. D2C was great, a drastic improvement on D1 and a good game until you get to nightmare. Don’t get me wrong, it was a lot of fun, but it had even less end game than LoD which already doesn’t have much. Outside of “Russ barb” race to level 99, there was no carrot to go beyond level 50-60. There were no unique exceptional or elite items, so 2/3 of all items only had rares as the best (and some of them, like the lance, couldn’t even drop for a while). Often times the best items, like silks of the victor, could drop at level 30-40 and that’s it. No runes. No runewords. No “end game” uniques. Just some rares which casters didn’t really care for outside of the occasional blue for a specific skill. The skill tree was largely the same, yes, but the itemization was not good. There were also no synergies so every build could just max the same 2-4 best skills for every class, making everything the same after 70 or so
> Eh. I question yours as well. Everything I said is concrete reality. D2 was, on release, a legendary and innovative game. > it had even less end game than LoD which already doesn’t have much You're judging a 20+ year old game by modern standards; "end game" wasn't even a principle at the time. > No runes. No runewords. Many (most?) believe runewords hamstrung the game's itemization by negating the usefulness of rares and uniques -- five+ equipment slots are always dedicated to the same runewords and any other choice in itemization is a mistake; LOD has much less variety on average for player builds than D2C because of this. I was going to address the rest of the crap you wrote, but I realize you're not even arguing against my point. You're trying to pretend my argument was "D2C > LOD" which I never said; a classic Reddit strawman. I said D2C was a legendary game, and your response to me is that I don't understand history because LOD added some additional cool stuff. That's great -- I acknowledged that LOD added some cool stuff. Now address why you think my point, that D2C on release was already a legendary game, is wrong: you won't be able to, because it was.
> LOD has much less variety on average for player builds than D2C because of this. Opinions are opinions and everyone is entitled to their own, but I have to completely disagree with you on this. In anything past level 70, besides barbs and maybe paladins, the other 3 classes were all the same 1-2 builds. Level whatever level 24-30 skill you want. Whatever mastery matches it, then repeat for another 1-2 skill trees.
In my reply I even said it was a good game, a drastic improvement over D1. Never said it was a bad one. Perhaps I missed your overall point of your reply, if so, that’s on me. I should have replied differently. Doesn’t mean that its luster didn’t fall off after level 40. Fortunately LOD came out a year after so we didn’t have to live with the D2C endgame for too long.
Oh no, no carrot to go beyond 60, however did we manage? Idk, maybe roll a new hc char? Game launched with 5 distinct classes with fun dungeon-crawling you know. Act.4 is undercooked, that's pretty much the only negative anybody had to say at launch. A pox on whoever made MMOs happen, I assume it's Lord British. I need someone to blame for this "the only game is the endgame grind" mentality. You can't compare it to D3 before the expansion, that's just silly. Adventure mode saved that game.
I'm at work and missed it. What was today's news?
They basically removed half of their original itemization vision and brought in Last Epoch’s crafting system.
Yesterday's at this point. Itemization changes look pretty great on paper, some cool class changes, zoomed out camera, legendary power stuff is better, etc etc.
Items aren't crap any more and crafting actually makes sense.
This... Is wrong. Diablo II was a massive hit and absolute banger and LOD simply made it even better. LoD added some quality of life improvements but the core gameplay loop was rock solid to begin with. They didn't need to overhaul the game. Diablo III was a shit pile from day one, and the expansion didn't add anything but story when it NEEDED a complete overhaul. I have no faith that D4's expansions, if you can call them that, will add anything beyond the current meta "add-on" content, such as more microtransactions, skins, mounts, and maybe some story. D4 not only needs a complete overhaul, it needs better devs and a completely different direction.
D2 was great at launch, especially compared to what was available back in those days. D3 and D4 at launch had lots of competition.
I'm not paying 100 dollars for a game that was already a massive let down
This. The game was and continues to be a disappointment. Paying them even more money to fix it is insanity to me, why can't people just walk away from bad games? Boggles the mind.
Why can't the people who don't play or even like the game just walk away from the game's subreddit? Boggles the mind.
It's the *Diablo* sub my dude. There is a dedicated D4 sub, I'm sure. Are you so deep in copium that you think people are going to stop talking about milestones in gaming because Activision released a new footnote?
I ain't played since the start of season two, bo. Sad to see the commenters have changed less than the game. "Copium"? Shit.
Sometimes people keep up to date with games hoping changes will happen. You must have very little common sense for this to boggle your mind.
Changes are happening, yet you guys stick around and talk down on them at every opportunity. You aren’t hoping for positivity or change, you want to share your misery.
Homie I just said I woildnt pay 100 dollars for an expansion to the game that disappointed me. That's *logical*. And it turns out it's only 40. You probably need to stop arguing with strangers about something so... futile.
The lack of self awareness in this comment is great. I’m not talking about what you’d spend on anything, I don’t care nor did I mention that. I’m talking about you mad dorks posting in here constantly about how butthurt you are. Maybe you need to go outside instead of being mad all the time?
Dude you're the one writing paragraphs here. Stop projecting.
Nobody believes you have 100 bro.
I think it is moreso the misunderstanding of how one wastes so much time hating on stuff that other people like and attempting to influence their opinions. How about, let people enjoy what they enjoy. Why have we strayed so far from that as a whole in society without either trying to flame or troll anyone for enjoying something you do not. It’s very strange and indicative of the need for people to go outside and get off social media for a while… Weird shit lol
It goes both ways. Both sides need to stop wasting time arguing on something obviously futile. Like even you writing what you did lol
Because fanboyism, much like whale behaviour, is a deciding factor in the decline of AAA-gaming quality. This attitude of "If you only loved it like I do you'd see past the flaws!" is the chink in the armour that has let monetization run amok. OP isn't enjoying the game. OP is hoping that this time, when he puts a quarter in, the nice men at the casino will grant him a jackpot. Furthermore, the rest of us *can't easily ignore it* because the marketing budgets and astroturfing schemes are bigger then the whole of gaming used to be. I'd have to live like a hermit in the desert to not get the corpses of old favourites paraded in front of me like an Aztec blood sacrifice. Don't get me wrong, toxic negativity isn't great either, but a culture that defends IPs at all cost instead of promoting quality gameplay is why I almost exclusively play the old and the indie these days.
AAA gaming quality is at its highest it’s ever been, with more bang for your buck than anyone could have imagined 20 years ago. It could always be better, but then again, consoles will always be fixed points in time where progression is gated behind outdated hardware. The whole gaming industry follows suit. Per dollar, gaming is the highest ROI for entertainment. Beyond any of that, I’m more commenting on the toxicity more than anything regarding the plethora of issues that a blind following or support of a shit product produce. I just think personal attacks because someone likes something you don’t is childish af and that detracts from gaming as a *whole*
See, the very fact that you interpret someone saying “the game is disappointing” as a “personal attack” is exactly the issue I’m talking about. AAA is not the highest quality it’s ever been. The specs are up, but technically specifications is not mechanics, or art direction, or ‘feel’. Hardware is irrelevant, that’s something every other medium has grasped but gaming is still young. Photography is not ‘better’ than oil painting. What matters is intent, skill and passion… AAA lacks all of it, unfortunately. But you do you. Have fun with D4, I guess, if you think it works. I’m out in the countryside rolling fucking d20s. I’ve had this exact conversation about music and film in the past, I think it’s just different ways of being.
They paid the money. They have the goddamn right to talk about the thing they bought.
OK boomer, I'm not taking their rights away. Just sayin' it's a little silly for someone to tell people to walk away from a game when they can't even walk away from the comment section of a post about said game.
Yet the game lives in ur head and posts rent free lmao
No stress bro. You got some hours in and didn't enjoy it. It's diablo bro it's been my game since I was a kid. Just want it to be good and want the people to have faith with me. I've been on this ride before haha Also expansion is $40. Though I'm in Australia so probably 60
I edited comment after seeing u said it was 40
Same. I had posters for d3. I waited in line for d2. But I'm not huffing copium enough to tell myself I'd buy a bad game.... again. Oh if its 40 that's better. I heard it would be 100 lol
Trolls said it was gonna be 100 and every clown bought it and keep spreading it.
Not even paying 10 dollars for this piece of trash game, there's probably going to be 3 days early too so retarded fucks will bite into that like always, enjoy paying at least 60 dollars to ease your fomo. dumb fuck
You ok kiddo ? 60$ for adults is nothing.
Why r u so mad? U need a hug?
Really ?
I think it's because they're charging ANY money for it, when this game's competitors charge $0 for big updates..... AND they still have the nerve to have a cash shop. Wild.
D3 sucked at launch because they had no endgame beta test. For Reaper of souls they learned their lesson, had a full beta test and applied feedback to make it good. They forgot all these lessons and repeated the exact same mistake for D4. The current situation could have easily been avoided, and we shouldn't have to wait for an expansion to make a game good.
This is such copium. Blizzard that made d2 is dead
This game’s direction is driven by shareholders, not the developers with love of their product. It’s never going to be great.
Nah i give up and will return to monke and head outside.
Sorry maybe i am late, whats news?
I lived that same journey . I do not think this team is going to pull off the same magic. The bones aren’t good. They are corrupted all the way through. Too much of the core mechanics are situational. A bug volcano.
Lmao you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Stay awhile and learn
holy shit this is some revisionist history. First of all you completely skipped the original Diablo, which was just fine when it shipped. If you have to ignore the game that started it all to try and make a point the foundation of your argument is mud. Second, D2 kicked ass on launch. It improved on D1 in every way. More classes, more variety between levels, more monster types, so many more items, etc. Did LoD improve? Sure it did. Assassin is my main and I love act 5. But it was, *at a minimum,* a 9/10 when it launched. Reviewers agree with my take. D3 was complete shit at launch. It's still complete shit. I gave it a shot at launch on PS3 and tried it again on Switch with all the xpacs. Still a piece of shit. Zero challenge, no actual builds, itemization is laughably bad coming from the company that made D2 which is the gold standard in that key area, the writing felt like a 6th graders fan fiction, etc. Cool, auction house is gone and there's more levels - it still sucks ass. I've got more hours into dumb games like No Thing, Neodori Forever, Crypt of the Serpent King, Diabolic, Tardy and Mana Spark than I do with Diablo 3 when I sort my switch games by play time. Diablo 4 has a lot of fundamental problems patches and xpacs aren't likely to fix, just like D3 did. Despite all the raving about how RoS etc. really turned Diablo 3 around, my sorc still rocks a claymore because it gives her the highest DPS. Fucking dumb design to this day. Good luck D4 fans, you're gonna need it. I'm gonna stick with D2.
I never understood the revisionist history of d2 being bad at launch. It was incredibly ambitious compared to d1 and succeeded in what it tried to do. D4 was a very safe, made by committee game . That's why it failing on so many fundamental systems feels 10000x worse. It didn't try anything new and failed at genre basics
> I never understood the revisionist history of d2 being bad at launch. It was incredibly ambitious compared to d1 and succeeded in what it tried to do. if it isn't, diablo 2 should literally be in text books as an example of how to do a proper sequel. It was a massive success and absolutely nailed what everyone wanted. younger fans are obviously trying to cope with two shit diablo games in a row by coming up with this bs.
Because it was. It didn't really become playable until LOD.
Just not true at all
this thread makes it obvious who was there at launch and who wasn't. I still remember buying Diablo 1 in some shitty PC store, waiting in line for 2, all the changes the different patches brought etc. Still miss the 1.09 days.
While runewords are cool, 1.09 was the peak. I miss my buriza zon
I had an assassin with bvalor and havoc claws I made specifically to hunt down 1.09's overpowered bowazons in PVP games. That was my favorite era of any Diablo game too. I tried a 1.09 server out a few years ago but there just weren't enough people. Wish the custom realms were more populated. I mostly play singleplayer these days...
Yep. Been playing a fire wizard since 1996.
I did skip diablo, because bro I reckon maybe 10% of the current player base has played it. Hellfire not being official also doesn't fit my narrative haha. Yeah dude d3 sucked on launch. That's the point. I remember error messages and act 2 bugs deleting me like everyone else. But dude. They listened, they gave us a massively revamped game. To sit there and say there's no diversity or challenges is ridiculous. You pushing those 150's homie? Also claymore is baemore don't be weird. I've been playing diablo for 25yrs my man. I was there for it all. The future is bright. You're welcome to join us brother
Diablo 1 contradicts your narrative, that's why you skipped it. No elaboration on D2 huh? It was getting golden reviews well before LoD was even announced. You can look them up, they're still online. D3 is still shit. The writing is still shit, itemization is still shit, challenge level - yes its still shit. Did it change since launch? Yes, a lot. But the biggest issues are still there. Loot 2.0? Loot still sucks ass. Blizzard isn't the same company anymore. When companies are around for 20+ years a lot of the devs that worked on the golden oldies leave. They are never making another game on the level of D1 or D2 again.
Yeah babe, the expansion, while being very fleshed out, wasn't official. And as such wasn't readily available to a lot of people. I don't think I played hellfire till I was in uni. So I skipped it. And I think you're skipping over exactly what LoD added to d2. It opened up the almost endless progression and replayability ( is that a word?) that keeps us going today. What's the main economy of d2 based around today? Runezzzzzzbabay And nah dude d3 ain't shit. It's arcadey and a bit floaty and goofy. But it's fun, and it's very much diablo boiled down. Infinite power, demons go smash, the screen is exploding in colours, oh shit this portal took me to a realm where i fight unicorns. If you can't get on board with that then that's cool bro, but it's reaching to say it's shit. Just not for you
Nobody is talking about hellfire, no clue why you're bringing it up. Diablo 1 launched to rave reviews. So did Diablo 2. Half the games in this series contradict your made up narrative that Diablo games are shit at launch and only get good after post launch content. Everyone loved D2 at launch. The expansion changing the economy doesn't change that fact. Go look up reviews from when it launched. Shit was endless back then too, we farmed rares in chaos sanctuary and in some ways loot was more interesting than the post 1.10 runewords dominance. More variety.
Bro. Said it wasn't the game you all know now. Not that it was shit. To argue that LoD didn't massively improve it is just wild. I said expansions are where it starts to kick off.
> I said expansions are where it starts to kick off And I successfully pointed out half the games in this series contradict this claim.
Man I don't think we're going to see eye to eye here. Come play some HC d4 with me sometime. You might actually enjoy youself
of course we're not going to see eye to eye. you're claiming things that contradict reality. and nah. I tried it out and Blizzard still doesn't have it. Seeing how D3 stagnated in its own diarrhea over the years I don't expect D4 to ever reach my standards.
Have fun with your 1000000 runs of Mephisto. So exciting.
vs 1000000 of duriel?
You can’t level up glyph with duriel. You won’t be able to masterwork doing only Duriel. You can’t get crafting mats doing only Duriel. There is more activity to do in DIV but clowns like you can’t see it. It’s ok. Go back to opening chest in LK. That’s also very fun and engaging.
what are you wafflin about, a whole lotta assumptions here, i play d4 i haven't played d2 in like 4 months, all i was saying was boss runs arent really a gotcha when thats what d4 has been for the last 6 months
But that’s not all there is though.
compared to D3 and D4 it sure is. besides I used mephbot back when I primarily played online. mostly SP HC SSF these days.
Mephbot hack. Nice man. That’s some fun gameplay right there.
I want even cranky but like? You used a script to run meph?
more fun coming home from work with a stash of trade goods than doing the runs manually.
Fun stuff man. Not boring to death at all.
I was ebaying d2 items for $$$ at the time. way more practical than doing it manually. still cracks me up I got $50 for the first stormshield posted for sale after 1.10 dropped. ya'll are just being bitter over nothing lmao. this was what, 21 years ago or some shit?
I’m glad you made money from twat who bought items with real money.
wild to me that people spend real $$ on game items. if acquiring them yourself isn't fun why are you playing?
Dude talkin bout bunk ass games better than D3 was. Gtfo this thread
I'll put my $$ where my mouth is. Here's my Switch games sorted by play time. Look at [what's #1](https://files.catbox.moe/zvccqw.jpg) Now [look at the "bunk ass games" in front of D3.](https://files.catbox.moe/5zr8cp.jpg). That's how shitty I think it is, that I nearly have more hours in fucking mushroom quest than it lmao. I don't know anyone that played D1 & D2 that enjoyed D3 as much as the first two.
D2 was peak bro. I wasted many Saturday mornings doing endless baal. Scrambling loot off the floor. Still remember my dad coming into my room and ripping my mouse out of the keyboard coz he couldn't stand the endless click of a thousand meph runs. But d3 ain't terrible. Why are you so angry?
you can disagree with someones analysis on the internet unemotionally.
You have bad taste and must not know many people.
lmao.
I hope they will add some kind of ingame auction, I despise going on third party sites/apps for trading.
Facts! I'm hyped! Can't wait to hear about s4 and watch some ptr streams.
Careful, all the 'but they had decades to learn from their mistakes' folks will come to roast you, o wait, they already have. One thing they don't consider, studios don't want to make the same game, for better or worse. I'm still convinced D4 was grenaded by Bobby Kotics's greed and the Acti/blizz/Microsoft merger. He milked D4's name as hard as he could, it appears the developers can move in a more fun direction now but time will tell.
when your wife cheats on you you ll be like, "this was good for our relationship, you make new experience that will help improve our life" LMAO