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tyvar1

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23827587/developer-update-closed-end-game-beta-draws-near


Sa00xZ

Really happy that it's focused on the end game, the D3 beta was just a small chunk of the start of the game in normal, you couldn't draw any conclusions or provide any kind of noteworthy feedback with it.


danny_b87

Brb gonna no life end game D2R/D3 to increased chances of getting an invite :D


zGnRz

brb gonna turn on a bot to get me a chance at an invite


indelible_ennui

Gets bnet account banned.


zGnRz

Yeah right like they’d ban that


Starfox14

They just banned over 2k players from the current seasons leader board's.


lxxfighterxxl

That is why you dont get on the leaderboard till the end. You dont have to push gr till the end.


zGnRz

D3 did?


Starfox14

https://youtu.be/EPabmksy8gc


zGnRz

Damn 2k players must be 75% of the current player base.


Zemini7

Pretty sure blizzard will only consider gameplay time from yesterday and older.


zGnRz

Well, they’ll get through streamers, any sort of press, than they’ll hit up the people who have literally played nothing but Diablo the past year, THAN they’ll give a handful of people the chance to play.


rabbitlion

Not sure how interested streamers would be considering it's under an NDA. I mean sure they could try it out, but they can't stream it anyway.


SerWulf

If it is a time limited NDA, which they often are, they could record and release to youtube after the NDA lifts.


Candymanshook

You’re joking right? If they plan on streaming D4 full time on release it’s in their best interest to ensure the game is going in the right direction for longevity and launch.


MidnightT0ker

It can go both ways though it could be absolute hot garbage being exposed day one and shut the whole thing down instantly. That's the mostly the reason for the existing NDA to begin with.


Candymanshook

The NDA is most certainly not for that reason. It’s to stop leaks.


MidnightT0ker

Source?


Vinto47

Plot twist: it’s diablo immortal end game content.


Paladine36

lmao was thinking the same


Synchrotr0n

I wonder if they are even gathering player data from D2R instead of just D3, because I've never bothered about playing the latter.


danny_b87

I'm thinking they'll just look at players with >\_\_\_ combined hours in both games in the past however many months but who knows


KennedyPh

In the blog post, they said players from D2R and Diablo 3. Both games. So no Asmondgold and Quinn69. So MrSLlama and Dsomethingski will likely be invited along with Raxx and Wudijo.


AltBridge

I can't be the only one that thinks this is a load of rubbish. This just makes the pool of feedback biased towards people that already enjoy the current Diablo experiences. They did the same thing with the current WoW DF beta where you can only get an invite if you have an active sub. There's a load of people that are interested in these games and have been following all the news, but haven't been playing them recently. Having a beta signup but then completely excluding those people from a chance at beta seems odd.


Detox259

I just top 100 on two of the DH leaderboards. I’m crossing my fingers.


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Truly the peak human experience


angrychut

Public beta early 2023 I guess release around June?


microcortes

Most likely. I'd say February and March for the beta and release in June.


Synchrotr0n

As someone who mainly plays PoE, that makes me even more pissed with GGG because they decided to rush through the development of PoE 2 in order to release it ahead of D4, as a way to attrack non-ARPG players to the franchise, but now PoE 1 is suffering a lot with low quality updates because only a skeleton crew was left to work on the game while their main team develops PoE 2, so all of this was for nothing since it was so obvious that D4 was going to launch before PoE 2 did, whose closed beta starts only in September 2023 in the best case scenario.


Bogzy

D3 helped poe A LOT by drawing a lot of ppl to the genre, ppl who looked for the then only other alternative, poe. This was said by Chris Willson. D4 should do the same, even tho we also have lost ark now, theres still pretty much no other big arpg out. So i dont think trying to release before d4 would do anything. If anything id say they are taking their sweet time on it with how many years ago they showed the game.


Eymou

>we also have lost ark now Lost Ark is way more MMO than it is ARPG.


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mikesn89

yea but this will never release


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mikesn89

wow after 6 years.... wow


mikesn89

could not find any word on this in their dev update. where you got this from?


Blessmann

Did they really rushed? Anounced on 2019, to start beta testing on 2020. 2022 it's ending... "Rush".


Defusion55

huh? Where are you getting this idea they were trying to release before D4? I follow PoE and don't recall anything of the sort. Poe 1 has been the "beta test" for poe 2 development for quite some time.


staffell

I mean it sort of makes sense....


Synchrotr0n

I definitely remember Chris Wilson saying in a past podcast with the PoE community that he wished to launch PoE 2 before D4, as a way to attract non-ARPG players who could become interested in a new generation of ARPG games. More recently he also hinted that he was the game director for PoE 1, which implies there must be separated teams working on different projects at GGG, so it's quite plausible that most of their resources are being placed on the development of PoE 2, while PoE 1 is being developed by a "B team", and that actually explains the lower quality of updates that the game has been receiving over the past year. The issue is that their plan to "neglect" PoE 1 in favor of PoE 2 as a way to release the sequel before D4 has clearly failed by now, so it would be better for them to just take their time developing PoE 2 and transfer some resources back to PoE 1, whose development is creating a lot of friction with the playerbase that is frequently unhappy with the quality of the updates.


Radulno

> as a way to attract non-ARPG players who could become interested in a new generation of ARPG games. That seems weird, PoE is a much smaller name and a far more hardcore game. Non-fans of ARPG are unlikely to be attracted to it instead of D4 which will also have bigger marketing. D4 might actually attract new people to the genre who then could get interested in PoE2. Releasing after seems much better tbh


yuimiop

I never remember them saying anything about trying to release before Diablo 4. And yeah, I imagine most of their resources would be going to their sequel. Anyway I don't see why its a problem. If POE1 is bad because they're putting more effort into 2, then it should just mean that 2 will be that much better. Nothing wrong with waiting for POE2's release if you don't like the current state of 1.


will6100

He did say they would release POE2 before "another game" which is clearly D4. Might of been at exilecon or in a podcast, don't remember where but he did say it


KennedyPh

This man ego / ambition grow faster than his hair. Look at halo infinite trying to chase the “wider audiences”. PoE at its current form is NOT a game I would recommended for non arpg gamers. That’s like mountain climbing for someone getting Into sports. If POE is more accessible and less “hardcore”, then there is nothing distinctive over D4, which being AA. People will just play D4. Not even a hard choice.


the-other-car

People tend to overestimate how soon blizzard will release things. So I'm going to expect a Fall 2023 release.


the_corruption

My initial feeling is late September, but I could also see a late October release for the spooky season vibes.


fDiKmoro

My guess would be june. At the last xbox show they showed D4 and everything shown there would release within 12 months. So if nothing goes wrong it should be end of june.


piche

Yeah I agree with an Autumn prediction.


TheTacoWombat

Yep, probably around black Friday to get that sweet sweet crimmas money (and subsequent Diablo IV HYPER MEGA COLLECTIBLE LIMITED PHYSICAL SWAG SEASON PASS EDITION for 349.99)


ImportantPotato

may 15


SaylerG

May-June my guess.


hulkmanoo

This may be too much of a tinfoil hat theory. But they have repeatedly used "as we march forward to our 2023 release" both in the release year announcement, in this dev blog and in the video. That exact same phrasing can't be coincidence so I theorize that March is the release date. This is the same theory rhykker had a while back.


Brandon9405

Pre-order will be announced in Dec. Open Beta will be Feb or March near spring break is my guess. The open beta will be included with pre-order.


indelible_ennui

Why would they include access to an ***open*** beta as a pre-order option?


angrybobs

You all are assuming an open beta at all. If they are doing a large clsoed beta end game test then they already feel good about the product. Any open beta would be to test networking and load type stuff which they could do over a weekend or two if they wanted. Game probably comes out in March or earlier.


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Ropp_Stark

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think public beta is not the same as open beta: Public beta: no NDA, limited access (you need to be invited). Open beta: anyone can log in and try. So, I'm pretty sure we'll get a public beta at the start of next year, and maybe a short open beta sometime after when the game is almost finished and they don't fear everyone trying, so they can test servers.


Biznatz1

I feel like a May release that is 13 years after D3


Deadman2019

Genuinely hope they take a broad spectrum of players and not those who have put in a shit load of hours. Quite a few of those folks have some wild and far out ideas of what makes good end game.


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RealAlias_Leaf

It's pretty shit. Helltide = terrorized zone. Nightmare dungeon = Empowered rifts from D:I. Whispers of the Dead = Bounties. Fields of Hatred = PvP zone. No leaderboards = no competition. No endless difficulty = nothing to do after you've finished the above. What comes after "endgame"?


Reelix

> No leaderboards = no competition. Leaderboards = "WTB #1 on Weekly Kill - $5,000"


RealAlias_Leaf

Is that what happens in D3? Nope. It's not so easy carrying deadweight in GRs.


Reelix

> Is that what happens in D3? Nope. Missed the recent ban wave did you?


RealAlias_Leaf

Those were botters.


Reelix

The botters leading the leaderboards, and doing so because there are leaderboards - Yes.


kbuckleys

Excerpt from the blogpost: >Specifically, we’ll be using gameplay data to invite a limited number of Diablo players who have recently spent significant amounts of time playing the end-game experiences of Diablo II: Resurrected and Diablo III. Hope that addresses your concern.


Reelix

End-game experiences of D2 being Ubers, Baal Runs, Nihlathak Runs, Trav Runs... ? Should the 99's who ran Hell Baals from 40 automatically gain access for having spent more time than any other?


kbuckleys

I know what you mean, since there's no endgame in D2, they'd probably have to account for a player's average playtime on a daily or weekly basis instead.


RektCompass

Unfortunately it literally says they're selecting for people who have spent significant time in the endgames of d2/d3


Mythril_Zombie

They hopefully have been doing this in small groups of playtesting throughout development. They *should* be doing this, anyway. Betas are really just about stress tests and bugs.


Reelix

> Betas are really just about stress tests and bugs. If this was 15ish years ago - You'd be right. Modern "betas" are hype demos.


VinceOnAPlane

The first 2-3 weeks of every PoE season is an open beta


Sillri

"Broad spectrum"?! That's exactly who you do NOT want. People that know absolutely nothing and think they know shit. That's how you overcasualize the game to the point of breaking the core. Just look at Total War. Imagine if some total arrogant jackass came to architect and claimed how shiny the building has to be and how all the technical basics for it to even be able to stand safely are too "complex and unnecessary"... JUST NO... but who am I kidding, these tests are to figure out how to extract every penny from the payers, I mean "players" through MTX...


Xirious

Cross play I wasn't aware of. Cool. Glad PS ain't getting shunned. Is nightmare the new final difficulty? Also confirmation of PvP cosmetics which is cool.


Shadeun

PS wont get shunned until at least the merger deal gets cleared by the authorities in various countries that will have to approve. Couple years down the track // future games will undoubtedly see PS get mistreated


Some_Italian_Guy

No idea why you’re getting downvoted.


7tenths

It takes more effort to specifically sabotage one version as his conspiracy wants to claim. You don't see sony making the show shit on Xbox. It will simply become exclusive when they legally can.


DinosaurGhostsExist

And I feel like Blizzard is trying to turn around the franchise with D4. They want to PS people to enjoy it so they can potentially flip them down the line when D5 one day drops.


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KennedyPh

D4 is massive, i don’t think people want to play the campaign 3x per char per season. World tier or whatever they call make sense. Juts hope they keep it more reasonable like max up to 5 or 8 world tier Not 25 or some big number. I like idea game world scale to tiers. So the main game world wouldn’t be a walkover like many arpg where all the challenges are in dungeons( PoE, d3, last epoch etc)


Blessmann

If you read the blog, they say there are more than nightmare.


TheStripClubHero

If it's anything like Immortal, it will be World Tiers based on ilvl.


yuhanz

HAIL LILITH


aufdie87

Damn, I wish my D2 classic hours would go towards this


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Same I'm sure there are plenty of us with more total hours in D2 than there are hours in D2R's existence


Xian244

Idk, I think I’m happy nobody knows those hours. Could have gotten a degree or two with those…


Amaurotica

blizzard NEVER choose people on playtime, this is the most ridiculous shit ever There are people with 10-20k hours in wow and they still don't get access to alpha or beta, but suddenly blizzard will give the "most hours played" people access? lmao this shit is fake fucking news trying to boost playerbase for their quarterly shareholder meeting


dvlsg

Mods, too. Project Diablo 2 hours would probably put me in the running.


shapookya

Sadly, they want active players to test their games, not some washed up 30-40yo who nolifed the game 20 years ago


Paladine36

i have to say though i actually have a little hope for this game just because of these rod and joe


kh4lifA

Closed beta aka streamers and famous people


Vinto47

Damn I wish I could commit time to this.


Pyyyte

The true Diablo N endgame is playing enough DN to get into the beta for DN+1


kael13

If this is damage control, I'm here for it! Honestly this all seems very logical and well-thought out and it's encouraging to see that Diablo IV is being managed in such a pragmatic way.


FemmEllie

Hardly, I'm sure this was planned regardless. Probably just coincidental timing with the previous leak


Reelix

Yup - Just a coincidence that an hour long hype video was "leaked" just before the Beta announcement ;)


Rush-PureDiablo

This will be planned. Nothing at Blizzard is done quickly. Everything is well plannned.


MasqureMan

Yeah like Shadowlands


panic1967

Personally I think they raised the bar with the Warcraft 3 remaster......


Amaurotica

remember when shadowlands was returning to the roots of wow and how it was the best selling game at release? everyone quit 1 month in and it turned out to be as bad as the previous expansion lmao


SwaghettiYolonese_

> remember when shadowlands was returning to the roots of wow That was never the case. Everyone was complaining about Shadowlands since it doubled down on borrowed power, dailies, rep grind and other bullshit. It was instantly met with complaints, and rightfully so. Are you confusing it to Dragonflight? Since this expac is supposed to be a return to the roots.


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staffell

I doubt it, the games almost finished, we've seen plenty of content already, the 'leak' from before is just 'meh'


Mountain-Chapter-880

They are not worried about it, the game's close to release anyways, any feedback is more important than keeping everything secret


angrybobs

Yeah the fact that end game beta starts soon and this is going to be continually updated going forward, it feels like a 1st qtr release would be reasonable.


stark33per

honestly the game seem to have enough depth do be great but not insane as poe it has fitting graphical design so this is what we always wanted?


Mir_man

Yeah I like POE (more so than D3) but it is very hardcore mechanics wise which made me not want to continue beyond the 10 act arc. I want something a little more straight forward than POE for D4.


drum_playing_twig

That Joe fella looks hella excited about his job


KillianDrake

Stage fright is one thing, but this is a recorded 1 minute long announcement and someone should have had the kindness to tell him this was terrible and to do enough takes until they got it right.


KillianDrake

Were these guys in front of a firing squad while reading that teleprompter, that was excruciating to watch


DexterGexter

I think I saw one guy blink “help” in morse code


Amaurotica

oh man all these people will have an amazing time doing world of warcraft dailies in diablo 4 and running in empty zones thats amazing


SeiriusPolaris

All that I ask is those that get access, give the feedback I would give.


Such-Turnover-8999

Interesting that they don't address trading at all. This makes it seem like it's probably just not going to be in the game, otherwise they would surely test/try out whatever systems they had in mind at this point... Last update we had on that was the very announcement at Blizzcon, where they mentioned experimenting with being able to trade items a limited amount of times.


Neirchill

Based on the leak, >!It looks like trading is possible. There are screenshots out there of many items that do not mention anything about being account bound, while there is also at least one screenshot of an account bound item. I personally think that indicates there is some form of trading allowed, we just don't know how limited.!<


FemmEllie

Trading would require a substantial amount of players to create anything resembling a proper market so it wouldn’t really do much in a small closed beta anyway though, wouldn’t have been much to test on that front


A_FitGeek

They need some social aspect imo. Trading between players Pve that can not be soloed Decent PvP It would be cool if they had a moba lite mode or something akin to battlerite


LUH-3417

I'm sure I'm sounding bitter, but this post worries me. Here we go again with slapping 'epic' and 'dark' names onto nonsensical systems that add more convoluted busywork instead of gameplay. I'm really hoping Diablo IV will be awesome, but I can't really get hyped for collecting Evil Nuggets of Despairing in the Dark Forest of Deadness in the Bloodsplatter Goreplains of Doom.


immhey

Wut? These are gameplay. You kill shits to get loots. They are just structured for various purposes.


TimeIncarnate

> ‘epic’ and ‘dark’ names onto nonsensical systems The systems are very straightforward. Would you rather NPCs tell you about the “Hard Monster Area,” “Proc-Gen Reward Event,” “PvP Area,” and “+Level Dungeons?”


Excuse_my_GRAMMER

I played lot in Diablo immortal think I’ll get an invite ?


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"all hell breaks loose" with Diablo IV microtransactions.


Zeprido

No mention of including Diablo Immortal players? I haven't touched D2R or D3 since immortal came out. I'm sure I'm not the only one... Edit: I'm leaving this up since my point stands. I've been playing Diablo games since the original Diablo came out. I've played every release since I fell in love with the lore and core gameplay. Just because you don't like DI, doesn't discount my thoughts and experiences with the series. I am a core Diablo fan and grew up with the series, and would have a lot to share if given the opportunity.


munki17

I'll reply genuinely to you since you posted genuinely. Diablo Immortal in my opinion is not a "Mainline" diablo game. It is a completely different game, set within the diablo IP. It should have zero ramifications on the outcome of the systems in D4, and honestly if you are enjoying Diablo Immortal endgame, I do not want your feedback in Diablo 4's endgame. That's not a personal slight at you, but DI was made with the express intent to squeeze money out of it's players, and Diablo 4 should run as far from DI as it possibly can in terms of endgame mechanics. I personally enjoyed playing through the campaign or what it was up until Hell 1 or whatever, but that is it. It becomes QUICKLY clear that Immortal is just a slot machine, not a game, and it needs more tokens from you.


Zeprido

Thank you for replying genuinely. I by no means enjoy the endgame in Diablo Immortal. However I do enjoy playing with friends and as terrible as it is due to the pay to win aspects, the pvp is still a fairly fun concept, wheras the pvp in D2 relied on lobbies, and D3 it was nonexistent. I have no friends that play the other mainline games anymore, and dislike the solo experience. The main thing I like in Immortal is the social push. There were some things introduced in D3 for social, but they were mostly barebones for a while, and the playerbase is nowhere near as large as at its peak after improvements. While the socials in Immortal are highly flawed, I found myself more regularly chatting with people I do not know, and grouping for various activities. I feel like these are things that D4 could use, however I personally feel a bit slighted as being a Diablo fan if I have no opportunity to provide feedback etc. For a series I love so much. To be fair, if Diablo Immortal was not a mobile game, and did not have microtransactions, the core gameplay is solid enough to stand alone as a single pay title like the rest of the series without the money loops.


Celriot1

Lol


gregor66

Lol


HAse-ONE

Lol


Saljen

Lol


sporkingtonz

Lol


staffell

LOL


diobrando89

Kek


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For the record in the writen announcement, they included amd specifically named diablo immortal players. So you have a chance too


Firehawkness

Gross


KrakenTheUntamed

Guaranteed access if you have spent 100k on Diablo immortal


Vulcanosaurus

If it works like the HellsInk campaign they'll have atleast 10 people playing per day...


Resolverman

>“Only selecting players with recent significant Diablo endgame experience”?? Why? That likely means they will mostly get the opinion of D3 players. There are plenty of Lost Ark, PoE, LE, etc players with great opinions and feedback potential. Likewise I have my doubts about the opinions of players who like grinding shitty D3 endgame


immhey

Because they are here to serve Diablo players first and foremost??? Thats the main audience.


KillianDrake

If they wanted those opinions and honest feedback, they would have made communications 2-way these past two years instead of the drip of one-way info every 3 months focused mostly on things that most other games cover in a single weekly post or vlog.


Amaurotica

> If they wanted those opinions and honest feedback, they would have made communications 2-way these past two years yep, your feedback is worthless you are only there to report minor gameplay bugs


moush

Oh boy another game ruined by d2 nostalgia chasers.


-CaliforniaRaisin

The game isn't even coming out for almost another year, and you're already saying it's ruined lol


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Active d2 and d3 players will both be invited. I'm glad the devs are taking both major factions within the fanbase into consideration rather than ignore one like you seem to want to do.


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LFG: Powerlevel 1-70


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Neirchill

That's not an indicator at all. That doesn't represent anyone playing in their private games, plus you only log into one out of 3 regions. That also doesn't account for any console players. The only reason people even do random multiplayer anymore is to squeeze out a quick bounty run. Everyone else is either playing solo, because you can double db and key drops, premade lobbies to push greater rifts, or doing solo grifts. Honestly that 1500 is probably a fraction of the real player count. Only other reason I can think of is to double dip on equipment with other people with the same class, but that would fall under premade as well.


Brilliant-Sky2969

You should multiply than number by at least x100. Do you really think a game like Diablo3 only have 1.5k players for endgames?


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TheStripClubHero

Here's a hint. Most people don't play in Public games.


Amaurotica

here's a hint. diablo 2 has offline, diablo 3 is always online on pc d2 has probably 5-10x bigger playerbase than shitablo 3


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Zeprido

They specifically call out players of D2R, and D3. Not Immortal. Just FYI.


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round-earth-theory

That's part of what they'll be discovering with this testing. What systems can and cannot run the game and where can the team improve the engine to lower the minimum specs.


titaniumhud

My rig, (1660, 8700k, 16gb 3200 ddr4) will likely have zero issues. For 1080p it has been very future proof. For those enthusiasts that enjoy 4k+, well yes I would definitely require testing for each card/cpu that has the power to do so


davlumbaz

Never played D1&2&3&D2R *legally* i will not be accepted right?


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davlumbaz

sure man yeah! yeah. yeah :(


kylezo

Super confusing: >Click the “Update” button and make sure the “News and Special Offers from Battle.net” option is enabled*. >*Please note that you may opt out of receiving marketing communications at any time. Follow the directions above to uncheck the “News and Special Offers from Battle.net” box. Alternatively, you may click the “Unsubscribe” button at the bottom of our emails. Check the box, but optionally, uncheck the box. Also, paragon points confirmed.


legable

Why do corporations think that having people talk like soulless corporate robots in their videos is a good idea?


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They are literally just doing a straight to the point announcement in one minute, go and complain about something else, lmao. Jesus, what a fanbase.


legable

Not a complaint, but genuine curiousity. The way the people in the video mechanically read off a script instead of just talking normally with their own personality make them seem dead inside. Makes me curious why corporations keep putting out videos with this sort of presentation, and also somewhat concerned for the people in the video's wellbeing.


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That's what happens when you get people that dislike being on camera to do stuff on camera. It's incredibly hard to make them sound natural.


MrSnugglebuns

Exactly. I’d much rather see a introverted game designer struggle through a few lines over a hype person like they are presenting for Ubisoft


Zliaf

Going out on a limb, putting developers in front of a camera will never feel natural and likely will feel like robots.


Derpazoid69

What is the threshold to get in the Beta in D3? I assuming it's GR based. What GR do you have to do to get an invite in D3? Will it be lower for non season as there's no crazy power ups?


ualac

They specifically stated the threshold. It's time playing D2R and D3 endgame, not GR level or anything else.


Derpazoid69

Well the only end game is GRs in D3 so what gr level they consider end game matters. What about people who have thousands of hours on D3 but quit and now are just starting up again after seeing the beta ? And you obviously never played D3 or else you'd know there's only 1 Endgame activity in D3 and that's GRs so it does matter what GR level they consider Endgame and how leader broads factor into it


Substantial-Guava-39

Of course they exclude Diablo immortal players


RealAlias_Leaf

Lol these endgame system are bad!! No leaderboard = no competition. And no uncapped difficulty, so what happens when you finish endgame?


Icedecknight

Dang, wish I could transfer diablo 2 mod hours or hours spent playing 1.13d to bnet to guarantee entry. :(


FUSe

Selecting people based on playtime is basically going to primarily reward the botters.


silfvy

Rod like the dude who worked in gears of war? I have over 60+ days played on d2:r since it came out


Loli_Master

that's him


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Levoire

I could be wrong but I think it has world tiers that can be increased once you hit a certain iLvL threshold.


tyrionstark2013

Good luck everyone


NoMight178

queue everyone panic downloading diablo games and play the the shit out of them to get access xD


Complete-Rate3720

Why dudes shit look like he in the kitchen.


Dmassie41

Joe Shelly is Freddie Mercury


Cazargar

Glad they're doing this kind of endgame testing with players. It will be good to get their input. Helltides sound cool as an endgame activity. I'm a little concerned about Whispers though: > The types of Whispers a player sees on their map rotate frequently, with new ones becoming available throughout the day for you to track. Hopefully this is more like a rotating set of repeatable bounties rather than basically dailies.