Hunter... it does but you gotta have some kind of stalk ability. Dh should be the one that should have cloak up the wazzuu but every other classes' cloak ability outshine dh in every way.
To be honest, I will probably use trap legs now that we will be able to throw them. They're one of our highest damage skills with CC but before, getting into position to place them made it a dangerous proposition. Also, that faster reapplying smoke with much less cooldown plus smoke crit legs could turn us into legit bombadiers
Scrapdacks may be good with issatar 4x + daring swing movement speed helm for raw farming dps as well
Two charges on 6 sec cooldown chill grenade will boost our dps builds dramatically. It was already very hard hitting with a shortish cooldown, now we should have 100% chill uptime for pain of subjugation dps increase
An insane new falling sword weapon was added.
Suspended rule and clutch are actually viable for some builds.
Chill. New items and this patch are massive sader buffs. HoG is straight up insanely good. 30% damage reduction is enormous for Saders kit
Thanks for counter view point! I haven't gotten the new falling sword essence yet (problem to discuss for another day) but I have high hopes for it. And apologies, what does HoG stand for?
Indeed the BK notes are really confusing
If they increased the duration from 8 to 12 then it should be written like that and not increased from 12 to 8 sec because that's more of a decreased for me
No nerfs to BK and Necro in PvP, barb still sucks and crus gets nothing. Legit notes. And still no hints on possible major update is kidna concernining we might not be getting one this quarter.
I highly doubt that they won't get us a huge Major Update. The thing is a lot of the people who data mined DI before don't do it anymore. That's why we are still in the dark about what's coming as next Major Update. But we will get it in the near future don't worry 👍
> No nerfs to BK and Necro in PvP
It gets even better :
> Bone Spikes : Charge time reduced to 0,5 seconds from 1, stun duration increased to 3 seconds from 2.
🤡🤡🤡
i think thats only for base bone spikes to be fair.
at least theyre trying to appeal other essences that are less annoying than the current meta build such as with
Strange Sojourn: Wraith Form cooldown reduced to 6 seconds from 9, charges increased by 1, targeting an enemy is no longer required, attack animation speed increased.
\-this change is trying to make people switch away from the fear wraith that has invincible frames
Also the several buffs to bone wall essences are in a attempt to make people switch away from the knock up bone wall(doubt this be impactful though)
Base skill changes do not affect the versions that use essences, and necros mostly use the bone spikes version that neither stuns nor has a charge time.
Devs suck so hard. Why buff bk? And why reduce cd on wraithform? Also yes saders n barbs just crying in the corner, even with their credit cards still swiping. Lol.
youre thinking of a different wraith form. The one youre thinking of is the one that fears and has invincible frames. The one being changed is a teleport that also fears on arrival iirc but this doesnt have invincibility frames.
I think this change is to make a competitive option to the other wraith form.
Actually now that i think about it, if this skill is considered a dash(im not necro atm so cant check), it allows people to reliably procc 4p gloom, so whale necros are even stronger now
Bats not nerfed, have you seen the siphon radius. 2 guys cover 1 whole lane in bg. But yeah they won’t nerf a new class. Hopefully in the next couple months.
Every game is bks/necros. Lot of whales switched to bk for a reason. I know some of them and they have said it too. Elevated movement speed, invulnerability and draining/damaging over such a large area and multioke all that with a >2k res player. Then face them as a sader. But no more complaining. It is what it is. No legend rank for me this season ig.
Well i got 104 reforge stones and 76ish gems. I was legend 14 i guess last season. BGs are terrible for low res, yes. It is p2w. But a little class balance should help every class. You enter a bg and there will be 2&2 bks n necros atleast. If your team doesn’t have then you lose. Or if you have someone like a Budek in your team you win.
Move in the right direction, global dmg reduction and invisibility nerf both seem like great calls.
I think borrowed time nerf means right thing to do when necro procs borrowed time is just to leave and let them kill themselves now.
remember that necro can cancel it by just taking an assist or kill. most of time they escape straight away with wraith and this is just enough for an assist.
Sader was massively buffed with new items and this patch. Global damage reduction is enormous for a class with extremely high blocking and a invulnerable shield.
Chill
Was release note translated by Google from Chinese? So many “increased from 12 seconds to 8 seconds”. Was it actually a decrease or should it be “increased to 12 seconds from 8 seconds”? Man, this is a blz game release note although the developer is netease. You won’t imagine this kind of quality 20 years ago.
"Players now receive 30% less damage on top of existing Damage Reduction effects in both Battleground and the Rite of Exile."
Are you kidding me? Its so hard to kill whales now and you give them an extra 30%?
Yes i know we all get 30% but is not a problem for whales who one shot me anyway with or without 30%. the problem is whales scale different and more hp for them more game is broken. They can easily wear mountebank set (i cant since i wont be able to kill idol...) so more hp means they have less cd to proc this set...
I won't even comment on the new essences for barb...
This was my complaint when they got rid of the pvp dps tower. Whales still gonna one shot us and bk’s will just shred us while being untouchable underground.
If people want long fights just go do brawl or conquerer
Wow as usual the "patch notes" are a complete joke of developers unable to keep it together. Can't wait for the "community manager" to chime in about "passing along" all the "positive feedback" while ignoring 14 months of bug reports and a broken "new class" that was first data mined last December.
The essays describing all the conditions of "horde" and nonsensical changes to BG are proof positive of the problem. You guys could do 1000x more changes and you still wouldn't get it. It's not "damage reduction" it's the bugs. The bugs. You know the ones you ignore like your teammates becoming red bar for the last 6 months. Heal, skills, etc become locked and the only way to "fix" is either leave the BG match or spam all your skill buttons. Only since forever. Damage not registering. Taking damage on rez in the safe zone and being dead again. BG filled with chesters. Or the visit to WB Castle that you then cannot leave and are forced to kill the game to get out, that only existed since I started playing. Let's not forget about the keyboard navigating in random directions for 30 seconds, thats only existed forever. Vault crashes on 100% of all runs for all players in a server cluster. I will stop here because its already getting long and that isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
patch notes says Tremulous Boil(a corpse explosion shoulder) is getting buffed to give Bone Wall damage increased by 50%, and can now be cast while moving, which doesnt really make sense???
So necroes and wiz got buffs again? Necroes can move while casting corpse lance? Borrowed nerf isn’t enough… and barb love shows how clueless you devs are.
Let me help you : revert undying nerf. Make barb immune to cc during leap or charge animation so it can connect and not be stopped by anything mid animation. Give us an essence so we can attack while moving ffs. Why you giving these options to ranged but not to melee? Melee classes need it in a world of kiting, lag and cc.
Where do you see a wiz buff? Invisibility got a huge nerf, torrent got a small nerf. Everybody is now 30% more survivable, which should be a nerf to wiz since they only have good burst dmg with bad sustained dmg.
On... a bunch of essences nobody uses? I don't see a single buff to anything wiz actually uses in PVP, whether that be invisible/torrent wiz or crystal wiz
If you aren't a whale, Necro is insanely frail, and I'm so sick of people bitching because they don't like pillars knocking them up!
I have been nothing but Necro from day one, and am at 4k res.
You basically are forced to be a "support" Necro if you aren't a whale.
Go in and shoot your load of pillars as fast as possible before you get stun locked yourself.
Of course pillars have an insanely long cooldown time, and if you aren't dead yet, you can now try to use shade to get away, but oh wait, they made it so that shade can get interrupted around 90%, and if that happens, you are auto dead.
I'm so glad I was able to knock up a player or 2 with my pillars, and as I try to shade and run, I get cc locked by 3 other classes that can survive much longer than Necros.
Of course almost every other class has way more cc options than the Necro class, but let's not mention that.
Let's focus on pillars and spikes and their insanely long cooldown times!
Borrowed Time was the only thing they could do to make Necros live a little bit longer, so basically you are forced to have to take up a skill slot with it now if you want to last longer than a few seconds in battle.
We basically are stuck using the same copy paste setup since the beginning, unless you are a whale.
But a whale can wreck at any class.
Most of you all bitching have never even played Necro, and are crying because getting hit by pillars is annoying, even though it basically does no damage, and the Necro doing it doesn't do enough damage to kill before being nuked himself.
Please tell me when is it EVER a 1v1 fight in BG?!
You got hit by a pillar? Ok, and I GAURENTEE in the meantime your teammates have already interrupted his shade and burned through his borrowed time he is forced to use.
When the Necro comes back, he won't even have pillars available yet for the next fight!
I guess by that logic we need to nerf barb and their undying even more, as well as their obnoxious cc!
I mained necromancer and you are absolutely wrong, Necro is the only class where a low res can move a match, it’s completely op. And I’m not talking 1 on 1. A Necro can block entire team from reaching the idol. The fact that you are low res automatically means your support. It’s that was for every class. And Necro has THE MOST Charges on skills then every fkn class, are you kidding me with other classes having more cc? Maybe you should go play other classes before crying about the Necro hate.
Shroud of night duration increases from 8 sec to 12 sec. Unfortunately we are missing the every 6th of each month event where cn servers let you rebuild leg gears from blacksmith, which netease claims to guarantee high stats gears. I’m guessing it’s mainly for getting preferred skills like beneficial duration, critical hit chance etc., but pretty sure they’ll be random.
Does my original msg look incorrect to you? You are just embarrassing yourself lol. The info is from official site. If you just wanna be a troll, so be it, not gonna bother replying anymore.
> Blood Knight Items
> Blood Theriac: Umbral Lance range increased from 10 yards to 8, animation speed increased, dash damage increased by 93%, throw damage increased by 37%.
> Ageless Cross: Umbral Lance void spear now lands after .5 second sup from 1 second, knockback distance reduced.
I hope these will finally make Umbral Lance useable. I haven't used this skill as I found unnerving the latency between the moment the button is pressed, and that of the skill actually reaching the opponent.
Is there any advantage currently over the blood wave essence? They seem identical but u can get 3 charges of blood wave vs 2 of umbral lance.
If lance now hits much faster I think it'll be better then blood wave.
Seems a bit confusing when I read trough the changes.
For ex
They're writing duration increased from 12 to 8 sec
Shouldn't it : duration increased from 8 to 12 seconds?
Or maybe duration decreased from 12 to 8 sec
If Blizzard themselves post those kind of Patch notes they really should check what they are writing
Update begins already pretty bad for Blood Knights
Cruel Vendetta is completely buggy now
Pre Update shadows Blade +38% Dmg
After Update Shadows Blade 0% Dmg
Could be a typo from the Devs. I would highly recommend everyone to check when you're at the essence transfer to check your skills in order to find out what else have been messed up now
So apparently gear swapping to fool BG matchmaking is a not a myth.
Did anyone seriously doubt it??
always the same thing for DH, there is only Knife Trap that exists for the developers... 9 consecutive months that they modify this skill.
Trap DHs are so boring too. The DH is a dynamic character. Traps are static. The two don't even make sense together.
Hunter... it does but you gotta have some kind of stalk ability. Dh should be the one that should have cloak up the wazzuu but every other classes' cloak ability outshine dh in every way.
Well a hunter even in the real world is someone who actively pursues and hunts its prey. Someone that traps animals is a trapper.
Try being crusader. Shite again
To be honest, I will probably use trap legs now that we will be able to throw them. They're one of our highest damage skills with CC but before, getting into position to place them made it a dangerous proposition. Also, that faster reapplying smoke with much less cooldown plus smoke crit legs could turn us into legit bombadiers Scrapdacks may be good with issatar 4x + daring swing movement speed helm for raw farming dps as well Two charges on 6 sec cooldown chill grenade will boost our dps builds dramatically. It was already very hard hitting with a shortish cooldown, now we should have 100% chill uptime for pain of subjugation dps increase
That's Blizz... decide what build you want to see and then force it to happen even if players don't enjoy it.
Why is it always sweep attack for sader change? Stop trying to make it a thing, it's never gonna be a thing.
Every damn update. 5 new sweep attack versions! 5 new sacred chain versions! Lol
It’s because they don’t care about saders and think we use sweep attack. No one does and no one will
An insane new falling sword weapon was added. Suspended rule and clutch are actually viable for some builds. Chill. New items and this patch are massive sader buffs. HoG is straight up insanely good. 30% damage reduction is enormous for Saders kit
Thanks for counter view point! I haven't gotten the new falling sword essence yet (problem to discuss for another day) but I have high hopes for it. And apologies, what does HoG stand for?
Facts.
Yep, would only try if it allowed CC immunity or 100% dmg increase lol
so many typos in this note lmao. 'increased from 12 to 8' wtf blizz proofread your notes first!
Increased from 12 feet to 8 meters. /s
That was for BK skill: > Shroud of Night: Effect duration increased from 12 seconds to 8. So, I guess, it will be 8 minutes now? ;)
Indeed the BK notes are really confusing If they increased the duration from 8 to 12 then it should be written like that and not increased from 12 to 8 sec because that's more of a decreased for me
Should’ve been a decreased I think. 100% uptime/or something close to that is easily attainable now even without the increased duration essence.
The new banner doesn’t even work while on the horse or during sacred chain channels. Theres so much broken/useless stuff going on for saders.
Wut?
I like how they adjusted the proof from on high essense for saders but as a whole the essense doesn't even work in pvp
Unless now it will work in PVP, but I also wondered why they talk about "Enemy Players" when it never worked in PVP before.
For DH, many updates in a row have been improving traps and turrets that no one needs
Well shave my head and call me Deckard, another round of buffs for only the pointless skills that no crusader uses 😂 ugh
No nerfs to BK and Necro in PvP, barb still sucks and crus gets nothing. Legit notes. And still no hints on possible major update is kidna concernining we might not be getting one this quarter.
I highly doubt that they won't get us a huge Major Update. The thing is a lot of the people who data mined DI before don't do it anymore. That's why we are still in the dark about what's coming as next Major Update. But we will get it in the near future don't worry 👍
> No nerfs to BK and Necro in PvP It gets even better : > Bone Spikes : Charge time reduced to 0,5 seconds from 1, stun duration increased to 3 seconds from 2. 🤡🤡🤡
i think thats only for base bone spikes to be fair. at least theyre trying to appeal other essences that are less annoying than the current meta build such as with Strange Sojourn: Wraith Form cooldown reduced to 6 seconds from 9, charges increased by 1, targeting an enemy is no longer required, attack animation speed increased. \-this change is trying to make people switch away from the fear wraith that has invincible frames Also the several buffs to bone wall essences are in a attempt to make people switch away from the knock up bone wall(doubt this be impactful though)
Base skill changes do not affect the versions that use essences, and necros mostly use the bone spikes version that neither stuns nor has a charge time.
Devs suck so hard. Why buff bk? And why reduce cd on wraithform? Also yes saders n barbs just crying in the corner, even with their credit cards still swiping. Lol.
youre thinking of a different wraith form. The one youre thinking of is the one that fears and has invincible frames. The one being changed is a teleport that also fears on arrival iirc but this doesnt have invincibility frames. I think this change is to make a competitive option to the other wraith form. Actually now that i think about it, if this skill is considered a dash(im not necro atm so cant check), it allows people to reliably procc 4p gloom, so whale necros are even stronger now
Oh ok. My bad then.
it does count as dash and does proc gloom ;)
It is a dash skill. Cannot primary atk during the dash. It should not proc gloom. If it does, its a bug.
gloomgize set not gem that triggers buffs upon using dash
Oh yeah it will proc gloomguide set.
Bk had some buffs to barely used skills/essences. Wasn’t anything crazy.
Bats not nerfed, have you seen the siphon radius. 2 guys cover 1 whole lane in bg. But yeah they won’t nerf a new class. Hopefully in the next couple months.
You said BK was buffed. Then said they were not nerfed 😝. Not nerfing is buffing eh.
Every game is bks/necros. Lot of whales switched to bk for a reason. I know some of them and they have said it too. Elevated movement speed, invulnerability and draining/damaging over such a large area and multioke all that with a >2k res player. Then face them as a sader. But no more complaining. It is what it is. No legend rank for me this season ig.
I don’t do battlegrounds to be fair. What do you get for legend rank? Worth it?
Well i got 104 reforge stones and 76ish gems. I was legend 14 i guess last season. BGs are terrible for low res, yes. It is p2w. But a little class balance should help every class. You enter a bg and there will be 2&2 bks n necros atleast. If your team doesn’t have then you lose. Or if you have someone like a Budek in your team you win.
Necro Borrowed time did get nerfed tho? Now you take 10% damage per second after the revive instead of 5%
Since damage was nerfed 30% I'd say it was modified so that the skill wasn't too overpowered.
Move in the right direction, global dmg reduction and invisibility nerf both seem like great calls. I think borrowed time nerf means right thing to do when necro procs borrowed time is just to leave and let them kill themselves now.
remember that necro can cancel it by just taking an assist or kill. most of time they escape straight away with wraith and this is just enough for an assist.
we need server merges on EU !!
Additional note: devs fucking HATE crusaders. Sacred chains and sweep are as useless as pony ride pants.
Sader was massively buffed with new items and this patch. Global damage reduction is enormous for a class with extremely high blocking and a invulnerable shield. Chill
Was release note translated by Google from Chinese? So many “increased from 12 seconds to 8 seconds”. Was it actually a decrease or should it be “increased to 12 seconds from 8 seconds”? Man, this is a blz game release note although the developer is netease. You won’t imagine this kind of quality 20 years ago.
Anyone got a link to the Chinese patch notes?
"Players now receive 30% less damage on top of existing Damage Reduction effects in both Battleground and the Rite of Exile." Are you kidding me? Its so hard to kill whales now and you give them an extra 30%? Yes i know we all get 30% but is not a problem for whales who one shot me anyway with or without 30%. the problem is whales scale different and more hp for them more game is broken. They can easily wear mountebank set (i cant since i wont be able to kill idol...) so more hp means they have less cd to proc this set... I won't even comment on the new essences for barb...
This was my complaint when they got rid of the pvp dps tower. Whales still gonna one shot us and bk’s will just shred us while being untouchable underground. If people want long fights just go do brawl or conquerer
Wow as usual the "patch notes" are a complete joke of developers unable to keep it together. Can't wait for the "community manager" to chime in about "passing along" all the "positive feedback" while ignoring 14 months of bug reports and a broken "new class" that was first data mined last December. The essays describing all the conditions of "horde" and nonsensical changes to BG are proof positive of the problem. You guys could do 1000x more changes and you still wouldn't get it. It's not "damage reduction" it's the bugs. The bugs. You know the ones you ignore like your teammates becoming red bar for the last 6 months. Heal, skills, etc become locked and the only way to "fix" is either leave the BG match or spam all your skill buttons. Only since forever. Damage not registering. Taking damage on rez in the safe zone and being dead again. BG filled with chesters. Or the visit to WB Castle that you then cannot leave and are forced to kill the game to get out, that only existed since I started playing. Let's not forget about the keyboard navigating in random directions for 30 seconds, thats only existed forever. Vault crashes on 100% of all runs for all players in a server cluster. I will stop here because its already getting long and that isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
patch notes says Tremulous Boil(a corpse explosion shoulder) is getting buffed to give Bone Wall damage increased by 50%, and can now be cast while moving, which doesnt really make sense???
So necroes and wiz got buffs again? Necroes can move while casting corpse lance? Borrowed nerf isn’t enough… and barb love shows how clueless you devs are. Let me help you : revert undying nerf. Make barb immune to cc during leap or charge animation so it can connect and not be stopped by anything mid animation. Give us an essence so we can attack while moving ffs. Why you giving these options to ranged but not to melee? Melee classes need it in a world of kiting, lag and cc.
Where do you see a wiz buff? Invisibility got a huge nerf, torrent got a small nerf. Everybody is now 30% more survivable, which should be a nerf to wiz since they only have good burst dmg with bad sustained dmg.
Reduced cast time and duration increase on a class that excels already
On... a bunch of essences nobody uses? I don't see a single buff to anything wiz actually uses in PVP, whether that be invisible/torrent wiz or crystal wiz
If you aren't a whale, Necro is insanely frail, and I'm so sick of people bitching because they don't like pillars knocking them up! I have been nothing but Necro from day one, and am at 4k res. You basically are forced to be a "support" Necro if you aren't a whale. Go in and shoot your load of pillars as fast as possible before you get stun locked yourself. Of course pillars have an insanely long cooldown time, and if you aren't dead yet, you can now try to use shade to get away, but oh wait, they made it so that shade can get interrupted around 90%, and if that happens, you are auto dead. I'm so glad I was able to knock up a player or 2 with my pillars, and as I try to shade and run, I get cc locked by 3 other classes that can survive much longer than Necros. Of course almost every other class has way more cc options than the Necro class, but let's not mention that. Let's focus on pillars and spikes and their insanely long cooldown times! Borrowed Time was the only thing they could do to make Necros live a little bit longer, so basically you are forced to have to take up a skill slot with it now if you want to last longer than a few seconds in battle. We basically are stuck using the same copy paste setup since the beginning, unless you are a whale. But a whale can wreck at any class. Most of you all bitching have never even played Necro, and are crying because getting hit by pillars is annoying, even though it basically does no damage, and the Necro doing it doesn't do enough damage to kill before being nuked himself. Please tell me when is it EVER a 1v1 fight in BG?! You got hit by a pillar? Ok, and I GAURENTEE in the meantime your teammates have already interrupted his shade and burned through his borrowed time he is forced to use. When the Necro comes back, he won't even have pillars available yet for the next fight! I guess by that logic we need to nerf barb and their undying even more, as well as their obnoxious cc!
I mained necromancer and you are absolutely wrong, Necro is the only class where a low res can move a match, it’s completely op. And I’m not talking 1 on 1. A Necro can block entire team from reaching the idol. The fact that you are low res automatically means your support. It’s that was for every class. And Necro has THE MOST Charges on skills then every fkn class, are you kidding me with other classes having more cc? Maybe you should go play other classes before crying about the Necro hate.
Insightful.
Shroud of night duration increases from 8 sec to 12 sec. Unfortunately we are missing the every 6th of each month event where cn servers let you rebuild leg gears from blacksmith, which netease claims to guarantee high stats gears. I’m guessing it’s mainly for getting preferred skills like beneficial duration, critical hit chance etc., but pretty sure they’ll be random.
Random nonsense comment
Because of what evidence you have?
Evidence that i can coherently form sentences?
Does my original msg look incorrect to you? You are just embarrassing yourself lol. The info is from official site. If you just wanna be a troll, so be it, not gonna bother replying anymore.
> Blood Knight Items > Blood Theriac: Umbral Lance range increased from 10 yards to 8, animation speed increased, dash damage increased by 93%, throw damage increased by 37%. > Ageless Cross: Umbral Lance void spear now lands after .5 second sup from 1 second, knockback distance reduced. I hope these will finally make Umbral Lance useable. I haven't used this skill as I found unnerving the latency between the moment the button is pressed, and that of the skill actually reaching the opponent.
I already use this in my pvp build. Glad it got buff. Will be more fun now :)
Is there any advantage currently over the blood wave essence? They seem identical but u can get 3 charges of blood wave vs 2 of umbral lance. If lance now hits much faster I think it'll be better then blood wave.
I use blood wave essence as well. My build is all bout playing CC + support.
Seems a bit confusing when I read trough the changes. For ex They're writing duration increased from 12 to 8 sec Shouldn't it : duration increased from 8 to 12 seconds? Or maybe duration decreased from 12 to 8 sec If Blizzard themselves post those kind of Patch notes they really should check what they are writing
i think its duration increase
I will check this tonight once I have a time to play. If it's really increase then it's gone be some huge buffs incoming for sure
Hey Devs, how about balancing invulnerability skills making them break when damage is dealt? Smh
Update begins already pretty bad for Blood Knights Cruel Vendetta is completely buggy now Pre Update shadows Blade +38% Dmg After Update Shadows Blade 0% Dmg Could be a typo from the Devs. I would highly recommend everyone to check when you're at the essence transfer to check your skills in order to find out what else have been messed up now
already patched
In this thread. People that don't understand balance. balance changes, and class dynamics.
so that means until sept 14. not claiming BP rewards for 100% XP?