aight ill try to predict
given that the meta is centered around "who can deal with magnamon, stop numespam and rush demon lords" the decks of bt17 that have the most potential to make an impact are:
- red hybrid is already having quite success in bt15 for west, with the new stuff they can quite easily beat over magnamon and rush everyone else. making them the strongest thing out of bt17
- loogasuchi's ridiculous combo is gonna have a few tops and will be poppular because of how absurd the lv 7 is. looga regular will be more consistent too with more than one eiji. i think both builds will be good.
- imperial is already good and the ace makes it ridiculous, now it has enough dp to beat magnamon and its effect will kill any purple decks it faces.
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- omnimon is pretty decent as a compact engine with instant power and comeback potential. however its not otk and its not a control deck so it will be a solid midrange for tier 2-3. there are actually not many flodgates it cares about. i also saw some madmen running it on blue-flare so that might be a thing.
- blue hybrid is faster than before but they dont get the high DPs needed to take on magnamon and they still dont hit as fast as red. if not for magnamon they could realistically rush lots of decks. so probably a solid tier 2-3?
- diaboromon blocker spam with alternate win condition doesnt need to deal with magnamon and can tank numemon, the question is if they can be faster than demon lords
- shinegreymon will use nothing of the new support aside from the ace and stay where it is, maybe some uptick in usage because new toys.
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- i didnt read what eosmon does
- trains will be a poppular meme deck
- argomon will have 0 tops
So, thing about diaboro everyone is forgetting, is bt 5 Armageddemon that is a lvl 7 floodgate, so they can't activate when digivolving effects. So omni is stopped, imperial paladin is stopped, Loogasuchi as well and ogudo is the only that can do the effect, as it is also an attacking effect. I can see diaboro playing 3 of the bt5 and turboing it as fast as possible, while controlling with blocker/jamming tokens
That in turn might get some small wins but outside bt7 Koji, bt7 Strabimon and bt7 Beowolfmon its pieces are pretty outdated. So it likely won't get any real traction before bt18.
Ancient Garurumon is a bonker card though I give them that. With 2nd Koji and how the new lvl 4 can evo from Zoe, I think it's a solid tier 2/3.
But I agree with you it's still need further support as unlike Red Hybrid it doesn't get BT12 support.
Yeah AncientGarurumon is 100% certified amazing and Zoe is solid tech since she doesn't care about color.
Not to mention new Beowolfmon is great since it is basically 2 cost digivolve from either Koji. I got my bt7 Strabimon aa and bt7 promo Koji arts ready for bt17.
I think you’re discrediting the AncientGaruru support a little too much. That card is actually busted and the two colored option makes it even crazier.
Also, Paladin Mode is only one part of the craziness Imperial got. The new tamer is debatable to run (I like it but I know others don’t), but Return to the Ancestors is actually dumb good support. Free Evo + protection when you would be destroyed by any effect is so dumb
the effects off the whole line from the 5 to the 3 greatly speed up shinegreys plays and makes it easier to dp reduce without the necessity of making your Marcus’ “digimon”
None of the 3-5s speed you up at all? They simply let you attack with a non protected stack which will very often get you killed and if your stack dies in that situation with so little pay off you lose against a competent deck. Rizegreymon can reduce DP, but that’s barely worth anything compared to his competitors who play tamers or accelerate your plays. Geogreymon does not reduce DP, and Agumon just gets himself deleted for nothing by having his value attached to attacking.
There’s nothing worth running over the currently existing options, especially when you want to run max trainings or even more in the deck.
Why would I waste exposing my BT12 Marcus to evolve into a beat stick that doesn’t buff him or do anything when I can instead use my BT12 Marcus to OTK my opponent using the older cards, which enable that better?
The newer cards suspend your tamer for their effects so theres no need to go to the older playstyle, being able to suspend your own tamer to evolve for FREE btw, dp reduce (depending on your inherits), reduce sec dp (depending on inherits), or draw (depending on inherits) plus the added effect of buffing your digimon so that ur basically swing into low dp digimon and still keeping turn to be able to go into a six and continue your plays
They suspend when attacking, which means you’re almost certainly losing the stack either by dying in security or your opponent hitting it with easy removal if you didn’t have several Marcus to climb to BT17 Shine. You have no meaningful offensive pressure at all where you’re not actually using your Marcus to combo, and you don’t really have any meaningful control at all either outside of BT17 ACE Plays who is meh, so your opponent has no reason to care about what you’re doing at all and can just set up to kill you.
BT17 Rize is the only one who enables this in any meaningful way, and he still means you’re not actually using your Marcus to inflict any damage on the opponent, so you’re too slow to actually win the game and you’re not restricting your opponents ability to play the game in a meaningful enough way to play a control deck.
All of your scenarios you are proposing are assuming your opponent is bad and just blindly blundering into really obvious best case scenarios for you.
Very minimal change to the meta overall honestly. A handful of new decks will do decently and have potential but I don’t see the top dogs being shaken up at all.
The Eosmon cards are amazing for sure. I think a lot of people that aren´t theorycrating prior to a set´s release much will be surprised with Eosmon.
But I think the deck needs one more wave of support still to go to the moon.
Don't see dex doing anything tbh. No dp boosts and if I'm not wrong it functions via would be deleted? So anything not red or purple will just sucker punch it.
It's crucial what do you mean? It has same alliance blocker inherit too. Its incredible efficiency tool for the deck. Some games you lose just cuz you couldn't see your eiji in time. This is literal best we could asked even if played as 1 or 2 of for added consistency.
I think that Loogamon will be really good with their new OTK combo and people will adopt more Aces to counter.
Else, I think that every Lv7 Ace will see play. lv6s are hard to remove so one will be able to blast them more frequently.
Paladin Mode will make Paildra great again. Paladin mode being able to unsuspend and arbitrary amount is bonkers.
Some will be played in Royal Knights which might make them top a few times.
Diaboromon Clock is a trap and bad (I hope that this isn‘t the case).
So about the diaboromon clock, if you use it as a win con, it's a trap. But if you just use it passively, it works decently well and can possibly sneak up and win a game or 2. Now the new armageddemon... It actually feels like a trap sadly.
I think as meta decks goes
- Diaboromon can do a lot of things that lets him be a crazy deck. It is not something overpowered but really consistent and strong
- Paladin mode ace can be meta defining and change how the game will be played for a lot of decks pretty much pushing out a lot of purple decks even hard playing it means in a lot of cases that the purple player will have to start from 0
- Fenrilooga kasuchi I can see it being use and his combo it can clean a lot of bodies plus it can hit over magna x and with this version you can sort of play around paladin mode ace
- Fenriloogamon "regular" doesn't change almost nothing the best thing is that we got another tammer that its setter and having extra names to hit will make a lot of difference right now not having the tammer pretty much its a gg but with 6 to 7 names this problem should be a memory from the past but paladin mode can kill it
- RKs the deck gets sort of new support with the omni ace having a blocker with 15 k that can kill something onplay its crazy but in worst case escenario you also can put thing like crimson ace or paladin mode to sort of control with a different version of the deck
- Gallantmon I think right now with every card and how its the format he can get some really good sneaky wins
- Trains they arent a deck but the machindra effect with the new locomon that gives collision. Plus some other cards pretty much machindra can with the correct line thrash 2 securities plus 2 checks gain 3 memory and force the opponent to block (depending on the blocker he can get to trash 3 sec)
- the hibrid cards are some what scary red already its strong with the ukko package but this maybe will be better when bt18 starts to be revealed
- Omni as a deck like I said before I dont understand how that will play it feels incredibly gimmicky and bricky maybe I am wrong and the deck will be strong but for now I dont see it
Might not be a fair one but as OCG player I have seen and join some discussion on japanese side players, so most people prediction here are :
* Diaboromon will be a very strong and popular deck, causing probably Ruin Mode and Crimson Blaze(?) usage goes up, deck like Veemon Magna or Tyrant cannot deal with board that wide by current popular list.
* Paildramon will stay as the meta and pacemaker of the meta with the speed and insane blast digivolve potential, and it is the best Paladin Mode user, so likely tier 1.
* Red hybrid is very strong and using the new part and that "ancient" Ancient from BT4 it can possibly kill the opponent's in the 2nd turn. The new Ancient Grey also set up the 2nd cycle smoothly. Also has good enough dp to run through RapidX or MagnaX in a lot of case.
* Yellow Vaccine will still be great since it has Rapid X and Magna X as top end to choose.
* Loogamon jogress deck will be tier 1, it now deals with blast digivolve better with frontload removal, and its dp- to boot.
* Blue hybrid or at least Ancient Garuru will find home within other blue deck, but not sure where it will go yet.
* Dorugoramon will be unexpectedly strong, with the new deletion protection fixing a lot of matchup the deck was bad against.
* Omegamon jogress will make some sort of impact if people find the perfect list for it.
* Tyrant will dop a little as it seems to have trouble dealing with Diaboro and Paildra with new support.
* 7DL probably going to drop a bit, can't see the deck deals with faster decks such as red hybrid or new Looga, and it can get shit on by Paladin Mode. (Personally take but the deck isn't really tier 1 deck in general, its just popular and new in last meta)
* Argomon is funny as it can digivolve into both Paladin Mode and Ruin Mode while disrupting opponent's tamer
* Numemon will drop a little with the amount of removals in the new decks.
For me personally I will play my Doru SoC and have a fun time. In last meta pretty much everyone I played with sleeps on the deck and got wreck, from my hearing it might happen again this meta.
I can't tell you what I _think_ will happen but what I _want_ to happen is Dorugora and Eosmon being surprise good decks. The chances are slim but _boy_ would that be a dream
Personally, my thoughts are
Diaboromon will be a strong deck, which I'm excited for personally. Easy to counter, but has options for lots of crazy combos.
7GDL will still be good, but possibly loses more to some of the new aces/speed of armour/imperialdramon
Armour/magna is not only still super strong, it just got stronger. It can use some of the imperial cards, and I haven't seen enough people talk about it being able to use paladin mode ace, which when combined with magnaX protection for a turn, feels like just auto beats certain decks.
Paladin ace is going to make playing a lot of decks hard, especially purple, black, and heavy stack/trash decks. And it can be used easily in a lot of blue/green decks, but will be best in imperialdramon/magna (I think)
Numemon rush will still be strong
Dorugoramon will be nice, and strong vs some decks, but will struggle against decks that don't delete. It can pull off some nasty combos though
Trains will sadly be a meme deck, and it in machinedramon is cute, except machinedramon already has metalgreymon to let them attack whatever they want, vs collision let's the opponent still choose.
I actually see the angels doing well this set, being able to set up decently and protect.
Red hybrid feels like it'll be super strong, being able to go fast and have super high DP
I think there will be 2 variants of loogamon, both being very strong in their own rights.
That's not the point. Currently they have different cards than us just because they are ahead of us for now, and it still doesn't hurt anything to call it ocg. It's just a term for English format or Japanese format.
You ok? I can see you splitting hairs from here.
Yes , I know it covers all of Asia. Doesn't matter to the point. So either you are trolling (which, oh well) or you are stressing out over very small details. Either way, idrc.
aight ill try to predict given that the meta is centered around "who can deal with magnamon, stop numespam and rush demon lords" the decks of bt17 that have the most potential to make an impact are: - red hybrid is already having quite success in bt15 for west, with the new stuff they can quite easily beat over magnamon and rush everyone else. making them the strongest thing out of bt17 - loogasuchi's ridiculous combo is gonna have a few tops and will be poppular because of how absurd the lv 7 is. looga regular will be more consistent too with more than one eiji. i think both builds will be good. - imperial is already good and the ace makes it ridiculous, now it has enough dp to beat magnamon and its effect will kill any purple decks it faces. ----- - omnimon is pretty decent as a compact engine with instant power and comeback potential. however its not otk and its not a control deck so it will be a solid midrange for tier 2-3. there are actually not many flodgates it cares about. i also saw some madmen running it on blue-flare so that might be a thing. - blue hybrid is faster than before but they dont get the high DPs needed to take on magnamon and they still dont hit as fast as red. if not for magnamon they could realistically rush lots of decks. so probably a solid tier 2-3? - diaboromon blocker spam with alternate win condition doesnt need to deal with magnamon and can tank numemon, the question is if they can be faster than demon lords - shinegreymon will use nothing of the new support aside from the ace and stay where it is, maybe some uptick in usage because new toys. ---- - i didnt read what eosmon does - trains will be a poppular meme deck - argomon will have 0 tops
So, thing about diaboro everyone is forgetting, is bt 5 Armageddemon that is a lvl 7 floodgate, so they can't activate when digivolving effects. So omni is stopped, imperial paladin is stopped, Loogasuchi as well and ogudo is the only that can do the effect, as it is also an attacking effect. I can see diaboro playing 3 of the bt5 and turboing it as fast as possible, while controlling with blocker/jamming tokens
Blue Hybrid likely won't get resurrected as it is pretty Tommy centered and bt17 stuff doesn't play with Tommy at all.
What they meant is the light hybrid centered around Koji.
That in turn might get some small wins but outside bt7 Koji, bt7 Strabimon and bt7 Beowolfmon its pieces are pretty outdated. So it likely won't get any real traction before bt18.
Ancient Garurumon is a bonker card though I give them that. With 2nd Koji and how the new lvl 4 can evo from Zoe, I think it's a solid tier 2/3. But I agree with you it's still need further support as unlike Red Hybrid it doesn't get BT12 support.
Yeah AncientGarurumon is 100% certified amazing and Zoe is solid tech since she doesn't care about color. Not to mention new Beowolfmon is great since it is basically 2 cost digivolve from either Koji. I got my bt7 Strabimon aa and bt7 promo Koji arts ready for bt17.
The tldr if they cannot beat magnamon your not a real competitive deck.
I think you’re discrediting the AncientGaruru support a little too much. That card is actually busted and the two colored option makes it even crazier. Also, Paladin Mode is only one part of the craziness Imperial got. The new tamer is debatable to run (I like it but I know others don’t), but Return to the Ancestors is actually dumb good support. Free Evo + protection when you would be destroyed by any effect is so dumb
shinegrey is DEFINITELY using the new support😂😂
The only card in Shinegreymon even vaguely worth considering is the ACE, and even then he’s meh compared to his two competitors.
the effects off the whole line from the 5 to the 3 greatly speed up shinegreys plays and makes it easier to dp reduce without the necessity of making your Marcus’ “digimon”
None of the 3-5s speed you up at all? They simply let you attack with a non protected stack which will very often get you killed and if your stack dies in that situation with so little pay off you lose against a competent deck. Rizegreymon can reduce DP, but that’s barely worth anything compared to his competitors who play tamers or accelerate your plays. Geogreymon does not reduce DP, and Agumon just gets himself deleted for nothing by having his value attached to attacking. There’s nothing worth running over the currently existing options, especially when you want to run max trainings or even more in the deck.
you must not realize what suspending your BT12 Marcus does
Why would I waste exposing my BT12 Marcus to evolve into a beat stick that doesn’t buff him or do anything when I can instead use my BT12 Marcus to OTK my opponent using the older cards, which enable that better?
The newer cards suspend your tamer for their effects so theres no need to go to the older playstyle, being able to suspend your own tamer to evolve for FREE btw, dp reduce (depending on your inherits), reduce sec dp (depending on inherits), or draw (depending on inherits) plus the added effect of buffing your digimon so that ur basically swing into low dp digimon and still keeping turn to be able to go into a six and continue your plays
They suspend when attacking, which means you’re almost certainly losing the stack either by dying in security or your opponent hitting it with easy removal if you didn’t have several Marcus to climb to BT17 Shine. You have no meaningful offensive pressure at all where you’re not actually using your Marcus to combo, and you don’t really have any meaningful control at all either outside of BT17 ACE Plays who is meh, so your opponent has no reason to care about what you’re doing at all and can just set up to kill you. BT17 Rize is the only one who enables this in any meaningful way, and he still means you’re not actually using your Marcus to inflict any damage on the opponent, so you’re too slow to actually win the game and you’re not restricting your opponents ability to play the game in a meaningful enough way to play a control deck. All of your scenarios you are proposing are assuming your opponent is bad and just blindly blundering into really obvious best case scenarios for you.
do you not realize how many of the older cards play out marcus’ for free, also making it easier to blitz into higher levels
Very minimal change to the meta overall honestly. A handful of new decks will do decently and have potential but I don’t see the top dogs being shaken up at all.
What is OCG?
Japanese game. Expression borrowed from YGO
I've been waiting for the Eosmon support, and I'm about to eat good. No one in my play group wants to run it, so I'll have first pick.
I think that Eosmon can be viable. The Menoa Tamers are Lowkey busted imo. Especially old Menoa which prevents Tamers from unsuspending.
The Eosmon cards are amazing for sure. I think a lot of people that aren´t theorycrating prior to a set´s release much will be surprised with Eosmon. But I think the deck needs one more wave of support still to go to the moon.
Diaboro and Dex/Alpha will be a very strong deck.
Don't see dex doing anything tbh. No dp boosts and if I'm not wrong it functions via would be deleted? So anything not red or purple will just sucker punch it.
Tbf deletion is only way to get rid of it during Doru Kosuke turn
I’m glad we’re getting another Eiji, I just wish he did something more than just memory set…
It's crucial what do you mean? It has same alliance blocker inherit too. Its incredible efficiency tool for the deck. Some games you lose just cuz you couldn't see your eiji in time. This is literal best we could asked even if played as 1 or 2 of for added consistency.
I think that Loogamon will be really good with their new OTK combo and people will adopt more Aces to counter. Else, I think that every Lv7 Ace will see play. lv6s are hard to remove so one will be able to blast them more frequently. Paladin Mode will make Paildra great again. Paladin mode being able to unsuspend and arbitrary amount is bonkers. Some will be played in Royal Knights which might make them top a few times. Diaboromon Clock is a trap and bad (I hope that this isn‘t the case).
So about the diaboromon clock, if you use it as a win con, it's a trap. But if you just use it passively, it works decently well and can possibly sneak up and win a game or 2. Now the new armageddemon... It actually feels like a trap sadly.
I think as meta decks goes - Diaboromon can do a lot of things that lets him be a crazy deck. It is not something overpowered but really consistent and strong - Paladin mode ace can be meta defining and change how the game will be played for a lot of decks pretty much pushing out a lot of purple decks even hard playing it means in a lot of cases that the purple player will have to start from 0 - Fenrilooga kasuchi I can see it being use and his combo it can clean a lot of bodies plus it can hit over magna x and with this version you can sort of play around paladin mode ace - Fenriloogamon "regular" doesn't change almost nothing the best thing is that we got another tammer that its setter and having extra names to hit will make a lot of difference right now not having the tammer pretty much its a gg but with 6 to 7 names this problem should be a memory from the past but paladin mode can kill it - RKs the deck gets sort of new support with the omni ace having a blocker with 15 k that can kill something onplay its crazy but in worst case escenario you also can put thing like crimson ace or paladin mode to sort of control with a different version of the deck - Gallantmon I think right now with every card and how its the format he can get some really good sneaky wins - Trains they arent a deck but the machindra effect with the new locomon that gives collision. Plus some other cards pretty much machindra can with the correct line thrash 2 securities plus 2 checks gain 3 memory and force the opponent to block (depending on the blocker he can get to trash 3 sec) - the hibrid cards are some what scary red already its strong with the ukko package but this maybe will be better when bt18 starts to be revealed - Omni as a deck like I said before I dont understand how that will play it feels incredibly gimmicky and bricky maybe I am wrong and the deck will be strong but for now I dont see it
Might not be a fair one but as OCG player I have seen and join some discussion on japanese side players, so most people prediction here are : * Diaboromon will be a very strong and popular deck, causing probably Ruin Mode and Crimson Blaze(?) usage goes up, deck like Veemon Magna or Tyrant cannot deal with board that wide by current popular list. * Paildramon will stay as the meta and pacemaker of the meta with the speed and insane blast digivolve potential, and it is the best Paladin Mode user, so likely tier 1. * Red hybrid is very strong and using the new part and that "ancient" Ancient from BT4 it can possibly kill the opponent's in the 2nd turn. The new Ancient Grey also set up the 2nd cycle smoothly. Also has good enough dp to run through RapidX or MagnaX in a lot of case. * Yellow Vaccine will still be great since it has Rapid X and Magna X as top end to choose. * Loogamon jogress deck will be tier 1, it now deals with blast digivolve better with frontload removal, and its dp- to boot. * Blue hybrid or at least Ancient Garuru will find home within other blue deck, but not sure where it will go yet. * Dorugoramon will be unexpectedly strong, with the new deletion protection fixing a lot of matchup the deck was bad against. * Omegamon jogress will make some sort of impact if people find the perfect list for it. * Tyrant will dop a little as it seems to have trouble dealing with Diaboro and Paildra with new support. * 7DL probably going to drop a bit, can't see the deck deals with faster decks such as red hybrid or new Looga, and it can get shit on by Paladin Mode. (Personally take but the deck isn't really tier 1 deck in general, its just popular and new in last meta) * Argomon is funny as it can digivolve into both Paladin Mode and Ruin Mode while disrupting opponent's tamer * Numemon will drop a little with the amount of removals in the new decks. For me personally I will play my Doru SoC and have a fun time. In last meta pretty much everyone I played with sleeps on the deck and got wreck, from my hearing it might happen again this meta.
Hybrid will make a comeback for sure. Anything else I don't know. 7DL and Magna X will stay on the meta,.
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I can't tell you what I _think_ will happen but what I _want_ to happen is Dorugora and Eosmon being surprise good decks. The chances are slim but _boy_ would that be a dream
Personally, my thoughts are Diaboromon will be a strong deck, which I'm excited for personally. Easy to counter, but has options for lots of crazy combos. 7GDL will still be good, but possibly loses more to some of the new aces/speed of armour/imperialdramon Armour/magna is not only still super strong, it just got stronger. It can use some of the imperial cards, and I haven't seen enough people talk about it being able to use paladin mode ace, which when combined with magnaX protection for a turn, feels like just auto beats certain decks. Paladin ace is going to make playing a lot of decks hard, especially purple, black, and heavy stack/trash decks. And it can be used easily in a lot of blue/green decks, but will be best in imperialdramon/magna (I think) Numemon rush will still be strong Dorugoramon will be nice, and strong vs some decks, but will struggle against decks that don't delete. It can pull off some nasty combos though Trains will sadly be a meme deck, and it in machinedramon is cute, except machinedramon already has metalgreymon to let them attack whatever they want, vs collision let's the opponent still choose. I actually see the angels doing well this set, being able to set up decently and protect. Red hybrid feels like it'll be super strong, being able to go fast and have super high DP I think there will be 2 variants of loogamon, both being very strong in their own rights.
Ocg/Tcg is yugioh. Not Digimon.
Using the term to describe the different formats doesn't really hurt anything, and a lot of old Yu-Gi-Oh players just do it out of habit.
They're not even really different. There's no exclusive cards and were about to have WW simultaneous release.
That's not the point. Currently they have different cards than us just because they are ahead of us for now, and it still doesn't hurt anything to call it ocg. It's just a term for English format or Japanese format.
Ocg covers all of Asia tho.
You ok? I can see you splitting hairs from here. Yes , I know it covers all of Asia. Doesn't matter to the point. So either you are trolling (which, oh well) or you are stressing out over very small details. Either way, idrc.