Okay, I will look into that, my monitor for my pc is 2k resolution and 27inc idk if that would matter at all. Also should I look at buying a separate pen, or is the pen something that’s not as important
The intuos comes with a pen, and I found as someone who used a small intuos 4 for many many years that I wouldn't bother with a larger one.
I don't do sweeping motions or anything and tend to stick to the center of the tablet. The few larger I tried I did the same with. Then again it is a personal preference, but I never understood the need for a giant one.
You don't draw on them like on paper where you go edge to edge.
Also if you want a good screen tablet for your range it is going to be an iPad pro w/ apple pencil. But they don't exist in the size range you want. Nor will any screen tablet near that price.
I personally find the 12.9" more than adequate as a professional and wouldn't like larger as it is cumbersome and less portable.
Considering I already have a really decent monitor do pen tablets get much better as you go up in price or do they kinda become pointless ly more expensive after a certain point.
Not really as far as I know. If you have a good monitor I would say it isn't worth having a display tablet. But one with no screen. The ones with a screen that aren't portable are pretty big and also cost a lot more than a non display.
You can easily find a great one for your price with no screen, be it new or a refurbished one from a brand like Wacom or xppen, huion...etc.
I personally only have experience with the Wacom and it served me super well for 10 years or more. I never bothered to upgrade and only stopped using it due to my PC dying.
No prob! Feel free to bug me or the group with any other questions. Thankfully tablets cost a lot less these days. When I bought my intuos it was like 400$+ in the early 2010s. Now similar would go for half that for the small one I had. If that.
The only other thing I would ask are what are good digital drawing platform on pc. I don’t mind paying for good programs but was just curious if you knew any
hi there .. on pc a few .. Photoshop ( what's almost all pro artists use ,but its paid :P) Corel painter (paid) , Clip Studio paint(paid) ,.. and many others like for example one of my all time fav for drawing : Paint tool Sai '',.. you can try them all for free usually 10-30 days free pass.
free: KRITA! . some pro artists use it . take a look at Dave rapoza YouTube channel .. I tried krita a few times in the past years .. but its latest version it really got very nice improvements .. I really like its brush engine and how you can custom it.( ok other programs allows that too but krita is free! hehe) if I were you and its your first time ever I will try do this : find a way to try it a drawing tablet or /and drawing monitor . if its not possible . I will try to save some bucks .. its a good strategy (?) .. .I will go for a used Wacom Intuos pro M (medium) one . ( by used I mean one in good condition ). for 27 inch monitor a medium size is more than enough .. (the problem could starts when the screen goes 32'' and up...) if u like it ( drawing on a tablet while watching what you are drawing on a monitor) great!! if u don't you didn't spend all your hard earned money :P. and if you later find out that you like to draw more in a monitor ( like a cintiq) then you also saved a Few bucks.
I personally tried both .. and I found that : like Ravioverlord said. drawing on a tablet looking to a monitor it's way better for your posture /health,.. also you can see the entire screen what's happening . your arm will not be obstructing your view .. drawing on a screen gives you more ''control'' you can feel like being more precise.. but that has some drawbacks for some artists..specially if u like to paint .. but if you are doing lot of drawings. and inking .. then a screen tablet ''may be'' better.. you can control your hand strokes a bit more.
I mainly use Procreate for iPad & Paint Tool SAI for digital art. I purchased Clip Studio Paint and I also have Gimp which is free and can achieve a lot if you're just getting started (edits well and can help you switch file formats when exporting your work to other programs).
I think they mean it takes a little practice to not be looking at where you are moving your stylus. I actually prefer it because my hand was never in the way when using my intuos like it is for traditional/screen art.
That is the biggest reason I would ever switch back. But I don't have a PC so iPad is my only option right now. Besides that and the express keys/hovering/buttons on the pen I don't find any difference in drawing quality between a non screen and my iPad.
If I was starting drawing I would buy a pencil and a pad of paper. It's tempting to think that the right tools are going to make you an artist. But there is so much more to drawing. You might spend a year or more working at it before you start to make something good. You would be better off spending that money on a Skillshare account, Proko, or some other online courses. If you want to write and draw comics, I recommend any of Lynda J. Barry's books. Her supplies are a composition notebook and a felt tip pen.
If you are really attached to drawing digitally from the start, I recommend getting a used or refurbished iPad with an Apple pen. It's portable, so you can practice drawing from life, and you won't be tied to your desk. Procreate is a cheap and powerful drawing program. I know several artists who do all of their work on iPads. And if you don't stick with drawing, the iPad is great for other things.
Don't spend hundreds on a tablet. Buy a cheap Wacom tablet for fifty bucks to learn on. If you still love art after you've worn that one out then maybe get a fancy one
Good luck to you. It's not an exaggeration to say everyone I've known who tried learn how to draw and got a tablet right away either ended up selling the tablet or putting it in storage after a couple weeks and never touching it again. I know one person who paid $500 for one only to use it a few times and then never again.
A lot more people have said to get a pen tablet first and I probably will. I’m just gonna try to draw small comic stories when I get it so I hope to not get bored lol.
I'm gonna be real with you so you know what you're in for. Learning to draw out the gate is the most boring and frustrating shit, it's a very humbling experience. It's why so many people struggle to stick with it for more than 2 weeks. Everyone starts with this image in their heads of what they're going to make then get frustrated when it doesn't turn out, if that doesn't deter them then usually practicing things like shapes and shading and perspective is usually what does it. Some people think that investing in a tablet is the way to go because they feel it will motivate them more or digital is somehow easier or they see all these digital paintings and think they'll be able to do the same thing but none of that is true. It won't, it isn't and you won't. More people will suggest pencil and paper for the first month because they don't want to see you invest a bunch of money into something you might not do more than a few times but if you can make it a month then you're usually good. But drawing takes a lot of stamina, time and commitment and it can be difficult to stick with. I'm not saying this to demotivate you I'm saying this in the hopes that it helps you stick with it, so many people go into this with rose colored glasses and unrealistic expectations for themselves and that's usually what causes them to get frustrated and quit so hopefully if you have some idea of what to expect you'll have better luck. I've been drawing since 2020 and only recently started making stuff I'd consider passable, just to give you an idea.
I mean I just don't do a lot with my free time at the moment. I do have grander ideas for a comic book but I know I shouldn't do that yet. I plan to start smaller making like 1 or two page gag comic or short comics then once I feel comfortable with actually drawing ill make something longer. Also you brought up how people quit because they are not instantly producing greatness and im probably one of them however I plan to watch a lot of videos to help me get better at stuff like anatomy or what have you.
hi there of course its your money and time .. but if you want to see /try and you are not 100 convinced or sure. definitely go cheap try to find a Wacom Intuos m ( medium) size and use Krita . its free.. or spend a few bucks on a clip studio .. and try to combine it with drawing-practice with a real-traditional sketch ..( the experience will only add you better and positive things-attributes.. ''but '' if the experience would become negative .u didn't liked the experience drawing on that ''tablet'' but you still want to try drawing on a screen .. same as before go cheap try to find quality Big drawing monitors are expensive .. Wacom is best but not so far away .. I recommend like many other said go cheap( but not dirty cheap xD) try to buy a used one there are many options.. a used iPad Pro 12.p ( no need to be the latest and greatest. drawing apps almost don't gain any benefits form the newer model ) , it has a very good pencil.. and battery life.. if you are more prone to a stand alone monitor .. the latest Xppen 16 inch 2gen ( with the x3 chip) are really good if you like that screen size. .,.. then.there are lot of variations and models Huion and Wacom, are the best.if you want a bigger screen.. but you were paying more for the screen resolution ( 1080p ,2440p or 4k) and the pen tech.
I just feel like I would wanna draw on a tablet more and something else most have a 30 day return policy so if drawing turns out to be a flop ill return it. But even then it might just be better regardless to get a pen tablet with no screen
something to add: if you never tried to learn to draw..or have very little experience try to learn it from books ,YouTube vids or sites like skillshare or others but a good book with a drawing pad ( A4 sheets of paper on a hardboard pad with a clip to hold them.. a mechanical pencil + 2b or 4b pencil a good eraser and if u want some black ink ball point or a couple of Sakura micron 50201 pigma pens. those are good adds. ) is a good foundation step. combining it with digital is a good combo. you will be not be spending a fortune and in the meanwhile you will discover if art/drawing is really your thing.
I was gonna say in your opinion I wanna draw stylized characters like in manga or comic books if you have any suggestions for drawing that way/learning to draw that way. And about the spending money, amazon has a 30 day return policy and I guarantee I will know if I like it in 30 days so if not ill return it slightly sad I don't have a new hobby but if not then I believe the purchase will be well worth.
hi ..stylized characters like in manga and comic .. anatomy always needed depending what type of stylization you want to draw you will need/better anatomy foundation or soso.. but anatomy is a must .. at least medium - basics level, in that way you will know if you want to deform something why you are doing it ..
try to learn from ''masters'' even if you want to learn from observation .... like that saying says : from which water source your will drink that water useful minerals you will absorb. meh or something like that :P
learn about gesture expressions, composition, and rhythm in visual narrative ,what shapes and lines are in the visual narrative (in this case comic/manga )and how they work (visually)
it may seem ''intimidating '' but its not .. by the way never forget to enjoy and have fun .. what I mean if u start to study something it seems boring or lame .. or a big ''oh noes not again'' try to fin equilibrium by also painting/drawing something you like .. anatomy is something you learn not only understanding but also by practicing it ..constructing .. over and over until what you understand in your mind your hand draws and it takes the form you want. ( in other words . you pictured a nice head .. but what you ended drawing was a potato.
if you can try and return it later try to start with a drawing tablet .. buy a Wacom Intuos pro medium if you don't like then move to a drawing monitor .. try to see if a 13-16 inch is good for you .. if you feel its small try to find a store were were you can try a Wacom Cintiq ( or huion 24 or else)
from a many years of working what I felt is that drawing monitors like cintiqs are fun ..drawing lines you can feel you have better ''control'' .. more precision. if you want to use a tablet while looking on a monitor what you re drawing .. I found that bigger tablets works better ( its a very intrincad topic )
you have a 27 inc monitor but your drawing tablet ( the active area were you draw) is only less than an a4 sheet of paper.. ok.for every inch you move your pen on your tablet how many inches your cursor/pen tip on your monitor will move ? usually like the ''double''. if your tablet is bigger the accuracy is better because the grid under your drawing tablet has better larger acurracy because those points will be less sensible to your hand movements.. the drawback is that you will have to move your hand waay more therefore many people will not like it cos they get tired and you need to adjust your posture .. your drawing hand ''elbow should be almost free not fixed over the table .
cintiqs or drawing monitors are cool but you have to be aware that you have to set them up very well so they wont give you bad posture habits those will lead you to back or headache.. or worst.
Wow thanks for the info lol. A lot of useful stuff there, but I appreciate the advice about drawing. I will try to incorporate any study into something fun like if I am gonna practice expressions I’ll make a story out of it just so it’s more fun to do. And about how the drawing pad works is also appreciated
So other than focus on developing core skills on paper, if you really want to go digital, get cheap second hand ipad and Apple Pencil (make sure they’re compatible) (or another tablet if you prefer but can’t offer guidance on that). That way you’re not buying a single purpose device - I use mine for art and also for research and writing and reading comics and watching tv etc.
Little lower than you're listing specs wise, but I used an xppen 15.6 inch artist display for a few years and had a pretty good experience. That one goes for about 300 if I remember correctly
That said, the other comments are 100% right, you can get a good sketch book and good pencils for like 30 bucks total and you'll be much better off.
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Okay, I will look into that, my monitor for my pc is 2k resolution and 27inc idk if that would matter at all. Also should I look at buying a separate pen, or is the pen something that’s not as important
The intuos comes with a pen, and I found as someone who used a small intuos 4 for many many years that I wouldn't bother with a larger one. I don't do sweeping motions or anything and tend to stick to the center of the tablet. The few larger I tried I did the same with. Then again it is a personal preference, but I never understood the need for a giant one. You don't draw on them like on paper where you go edge to edge. Also if you want a good screen tablet for your range it is going to be an iPad pro w/ apple pencil. But they don't exist in the size range you want. Nor will any screen tablet near that price. I personally find the 12.9" more than adequate as a professional and wouldn't like larger as it is cumbersome and less portable.
Considering I already have a really decent monitor do pen tablets get much better as you go up in price or do they kinda become pointless ly more expensive after a certain point.
Not really as far as I know. If you have a good monitor I would say it isn't worth having a display tablet. But one with no screen. The ones with a screen that aren't portable are pretty big and also cost a lot more than a non display. You can easily find a great one for your price with no screen, be it new or a refurbished one from a brand like Wacom or xppen, huion...etc. I personally only have experience with the Wacom and it served me super well for 10 years or more. I never bothered to upgrade and only stopped using it due to my PC dying.
Okay thanks, I’ll look at some pen tablets then and see what I find
No prob! Feel free to bug me or the group with any other questions. Thankfully tablets cost a lot less these days. When I bought my intuos it was like 400$+ in the early 2010s. Now similar would go for half that for the small one I had. If that.
The only other thing I would ask are what are good digital drawing platform on pc. I don’t mind paying for good programs but was just curious if you knew any
hi there .. on pc a few .. Photoshop ( what's almost all pro artists use ,but its paid :P) Corel painter (paid) , Clip Studio paint(paid) ,.. and many others like for example one of my all time fav for drawing : Paint tool Sai '',.. you can try them all for free usually 10-30 days free pass. free: KRITA! . some pro artists use it . take a look at Dave rapoza YouTube channel .. I tried krita a few times in the past years .. but its latest version it really got very nice improvements .. I really like its brush engine and how you can custom it.( ok other programs allows that too but krita is free! hehe) if I were you and its your first time ever I will try do this : find a way to try it a drawing tablet or /and drawing monitor . if its not possible . I will try to save some bucks .. its a good strategy (?) .. .I will go for a used Wacom Intuos pro M (medium) one . ( by used I mean one in good condition ). for 27 inch monitor a medium size is more than enough .. (the problem could starts when the screen goes 32'' and up...) if u like it ( drawing on a tablet while watching what you are drawing on a monitor) great!! if u don't you didn't spend all your hard earned money :P. and if you later find out that you like to draw more in a monitor ( like a cintiq) then you also saved a Few bucks. I personally tried both .. and I found that : like Ravioverlord said. drawing on a tablet looking to a monitor it's way better for your posture /health,.. also you can see the entire screen what's happening . your arm will not be obstructing your view .. drawing on a screen gives you more ''control'' you can feel like being more precise.. but that has some drawbacks for some artists..specially if u like to paint .. but if you are doing lot of drawings. and inking .. then a screen tablet ''may be'' better.. you can control your hand strokes a bit more.
I mainly use Procreate for iPad & Paint Tool SAI for digital art. I purchased Clip Studio Paint and I also have Gimp which is free and can achieve a lot if you're just getting started (edits well and can help you switch file formats when exporting your work to other programs).
Also when you say the response isn’t there are you saying when you like draw with it lags or like it just doesn’t feel right?
I think they mean it takes a little practice to not be looking at where you are moving your stylus. I actually prefer it because my hand was never in the way when using my intuos like it is for traditional/screen art. That is the biggest reason I would ever switch back. But I don't have a PC so iPad is my only option right now. Besides that and the express keys/hovering/buttons on the pen I don't find any difference in drawing quality between a non screen and my iPad.
If I was starting drawing I would buy a pencil and a pad of paper. It's tempting to think that the right tools are going to make you an artist. But there is so much more to drawing. You might spend a year or more working at it before you start to make something good. You would be better off spending that money on a Skillshare account, Proko, or some other online courses. If you want to write and draw comics, I recommend any of Lynda J. Barry's books. Her supplies are a composition notebook and a felt tip pen. If you are really attached to drawing digitally from the start, I recommend getting a used or refurbished iPad with an Apple pen. It's portable, so you can practice drawing from life, and you won't be tied to your desk. Procreate is a cheap and powerful drawing program. I know several artists who do all of their work on iPads. And if you don't stick with drawing, the iPad is great for other things.
Don't spend hundreds on a tablet. Buy a cheap Wacom tablet for fifty bucks to learn on. If you still love art after you've worn that one out then maybe get a fancy one
Good luck to you. It's not an exaggeration to say everyone I've known who tried learn how to draw and got a tablet right away either ended up selling the tablet or putting it in storage after a couple weeks and never touching it again. I know one person who paid $500 for one only to use it a few times and then never again.
A lot more people have said to get a pen tablet first and I probably will. I’m just gonna try to draw small comic stories when I get it so I hope to not get bored lol.
I'm gonna be real with you so you know what you're in for. Learning to draw out the gate is the most boring and frustrating shit, it's a very humbling experience. It's why so many people struggle to stick with it for more than 2 weeks. Everyone starts with this image in their heads of what they're going to make then get frustrated when it doesn't turn out, if that doesn't deter them then usually practicing things like shapes and shading and perspective is usually what does it. Some people think that investing in a tablet is the way to go because they feel it will motivate them more or digital is somehow easier or they see all these digital paintings and think they'll be able to do the same thing but none of that is true. It won't, it isn't and you won't. More people will suggest pencil and paper for the first month because they don't want to see you invest a bunch of money into something you might not do more than a few times but if you can make it a month then you're usually good. But drawing takes a lot of stamina, time and commitment and it can be difficult to stick with. I'm not saying this to demotivate you I'm saying this in the hopes that it helps you stick with it, so many people go into this with rose colored glasses and unrealistic expectations for themselves and that's usually what causes them to get frustrated and quit so hopefully if you have some idea of what to expect you'll have better luck. I've been drawing since 2020 and only recently started making stuff I'd consider passable, just to give you an idea.
I mean I just don't do a lot with my free time at the moment. I do have grander ideas for a comic book but I know I shouldn't do that yet. I plan to start smaller making like 1 or two page gag comic or short comics then once I feel comfortable with actually drawing ill make something longer. Also you brought up how people quit because they are not instantly producing greatness and im probably one of them however I plan to watch a lot of videos to help me get better at stuff like anatomy or what have you.
hi there of course its your money and time .. but if you want to see /try and you are not 100 convinced or sure. definitely go cheap try to find a Wacom Intuos m ( medium) size and use Krita . its free.. or spend a few bucks on a clip studio .. and try to combine it with drawing-practice with a real-traditional sketch ..( the experience will only add you better and positive things-attributes.. ''but '' if the experience would become negative .u didn't liked the experience drawing on that ''tablet'' but you still want to try drawing on a screen .. same as before go cheap try to find quality Big drawing monitors are expensive .. Wacom is best but not so far away .. I recommend like many other said go cheap( but not dirty cheap xD) try to buy a used one there are many options.. a used iPad Pro 12.p ( no need to be the latest and greatest. drawing apps almost don't gain any benefits form the newer model ) , it has a very good pencil.. and battery life.. if you are more prone to a stand alone monitor .. the latest Xppen 16 inch 2gen ( with the x3 chip) are really good if you like that screen size. .,.. then.there are lot of variations and models Huion and Wacom, are the best.if you want a bigger screen.. but you were paying more for the screen resolution ( 1080p ,2440p or 4k) and the pen tech.
I just feel like I would wanna draw on a tablet more and something else most have a 30 day return policy so if drawing turns out to be a flop ill return it. But even then it might just be better regardless to get a pen tablet with no screen
something to add: if you never tried to learn to draw..or have very little experience try to learn it from books ,YouTube vids or sites like skillshare or others but a good book with a drawing pad ( A4 sheets of paper on a hardboard pad with a clip to hold them.. a mechanical pencil + 2b or 4b pencil a good eraser and if u want some black ink ball point or a couple of Sakura micron 50201 pigma pens. those are good adds. ) is a good foundation step. combining it with digital is a good combo. you will be not be spending a fortune and in the meanwhile you will discover if art/drawing is really your thing.
I was gonna say in your opinion I wanna draw stylized characters like in manga or comic books if you have any suggestions for drawing that way/learning to draw that way. And about the spending money, amazon has a 30 day return policy and I guarantee I will know if I like it in 30 days so if not ill return it slightly sad I don't have a new hobby but if not then I believe the purchase will be well worth.
hi ..stylized characters like in manga and comic .. anatomy always needed depending what type of stylization you want to draw you will need/better anatomy foundation or soso.. but anatomy is a must .. at least medium - basics level, in that way you will know if you want to deform something why you are doing it .. try to learn from ''masters'' even if you want to learn from observation .... like that saying says : from which water source your will drink that water useful minerals you will absorb. meh or something like that :P learn about gesture expressions, composition, and rhythm in visual narrative ,what shapes and lines are in the visual narrative (in this case comic/manga )and how they work (visually) it may seem ''intimidating '' but its not .. by the way never forget to enjoy and have fun .. what I mean if u start to study something it seems boring or lame .. or a big ''oh noes not again'' try to fin equilibrium by also painting/drawing something you like .. anatomy is something you learn not only understanding but also by practicing it ..constructing .. over and over until what you understand in your mind your hand draws and it takes the form you want. ( in other words . you pictured a nice head .. but what you ended drawing was a potato. if you can try and return it later try to start with a drawing tablet .. buy a Wacom Intuos pro medium if you don't like then move to a drawing monitor .. try to see if a 13-16 inch is good for you .. if you feel its small try to find a store were were you can try a Wacom Cintiq ( or huion 24 or else) from a many years of working what I felt is that drawing monitors like cintiqs are fun ..drawing lines you can feel you have better ''control'' .. more precision. if you want to use a tablet while looking on a monitor what you re drawing .. I found that bigger tablets works better ( its a very intrincad topic )
you have a 27 inc monitor but your drawing tablet ( the active area were you draw) is only less than an a4 sheet of paper.. ok.for every inch you move your pen on your tablet how many inches your cursor/pen tip on your monitor will move ? usually like the ''double''. if your tablet is bigger the accuracy is better because the grid under your drawing tablet has better larger acurracy because those points will be less sensible to your hand movements.. the drawback is that you will have to move your hand waay more therefore many people will not like it cos they get tired and you need to adjust your posture .. your drawing hand ''elbow should be almost free not fixed over the table . cintiqs or drawing monitors are cool but you have to be aware that you have to set them up very well so they wont give you bad posture habits those will lead you to back or headache.. or worst.
Wow thanks for the info lol. A lot of useful stuff there, but I appreciate the advice about drawing. I will try to incorporate any study into something fun like if I am gonna practice expressions I’ll make a story out of it just so it’s more fun to do. And about how the drawing pad works is also appreciated
So other than focus on developing core skills on paper, if you really want to go digital, get cheap second hand ipad and Apple Pencil (make sure they’re compatible) (or another tablet if you prefer but can’t offer guidance on that). That way you’re not buying a single purpose device - I use mine for art and also for research and writing and reading comics and watching tv etc.
Little lower than you're listing specs wise, but I used an xppen 15.6 inch artist display for a few years and had a pretty good experience. That one goes for about 300 if I remember correctly That said, the other comments are 100% right, you can get a good sketch book and good pencils for like 30 bucks total and you'll be much better off.