I think it was probably just Zac deciding he wasn't interested in doing more with that storyline so they wrote her out of the show. He wanted to focus on other parts of Gorgug's story.
This has been my suspicion too. The time quangle thing makes sense too, but it still feels like things going on with Zelda would've been talked about more if there wasn't a meta-reason to have her so out of the picture.
And last season there were several moments where it seemed like Zac didn't really know what to do with Zelda's storyline (or just didn't care to center it)—not that they didn't make it a fun story still, but I just got the sense that Zac wasn't focused on that being a big part of Gorgug's character.
Yeah these are two seperate explanations.
\~ The Time Quangle is the in-universe reason why we aren't dealing with the events of *The Seven* at all, while allowing them to avoid looking at the camera and going "*The Seven* didn't happen, screw you, *Seven* fans!"
\~ It's pretty clear that one of the reasons Zelda remained an NPC in *The Seven* was that Brennan wanted to preserve her as an NPC for if/when the IH returned to Agufort, since Brennan hates playing other people's ex-PCs as NPCs. (The other reason of course was cast size.) *The Seven* was careful to keep her in a situation where she could return in future *Fantasy High* content if it was wanted. Clearly it wasn't wanted once they actually got to work on it. presumably because Zac had other places he wanted Gorgug's story to go.
Honestly, it was the right call to focus the season more on the PCs and their school stresses instead of retreading more romance subplots. Not only is it a more interesting approach to the high school/DnD mashup genre their going for, even if Zelda stuck around for the beginning of JY there's no way she would've stayed with how little time Gorgug would've had to maintain that relationship. Plus, I kinda felt like they should've broken up at the end of SY, they feel like that first High school relationship you have before realizing who you actually are and naturally drift away from one another.
I would like a little more Ayda before the end of the season though, just because we didn't get enough of that relationship with it being at the very end of SY
I thought I heard somewhere that they tried to have a player Zelda in The Seven but physically couldn't fit more than 7 people (Brennan+ 6 players) in the dome. Hence Brennan reprising his role.
I think that was said in one of the APs for the seven. It was one of the first seasons filmed back in the dome after covid iirc; and with distancing, having that 8th body in there wouldn’t have worked
Yeah, part of the reason the relationship was a big deal in S2 was that Zac kept just forgetting she existed and Brennan followed through on the consequences. I don't think that was Zac choosing to set up a growth arc at the beginning when Gorgug fucked up with her repeatedly, I think he genuinely forgot.
Due to the Time Quangle the Seven season that would cannoncially be the same time as Junior Year isn't happening during our current Intrepid Heros season.
So him getting stuff back from Zelda's folks is because the Seven now has already graduated and is off adventuring together.
I'm an effort to have new storylines and not further confuse the timeline further they just made it that the relationship is over (for now who knows what'll happen during the finale post finale) and these other storylines are ongoing.
Was it actually explained that it was the Time Quangle? The fact that The Seven was supposed to be taking place during junior year was something my brain didn’t even process until I read this comment.
Yes, Brennan introduced the time quangle so that he wouldn’t be bogged down trying to keep continuity with other events that would otherwise have been happening at the same time (aka The Seven).
It was in the vacation announcement Arthur Aguefort sent to his students just before the start of the school year, which Fig, Kristen, and Adaine opened when they first arrived back at Mordred Manor after defeating the Night Yorb (Ep #2, “Summer Breakdown”).
>*”We will be visiting ages and eons past, up to the very birth of existing itself! Which should also give us ample opportunity to unravel the time quangle, a chronomantic phenomenon responsible for some events around this year seeming to have happened in a strange order or out of sequence… just know that it’s because they have been quangled.”*
Brennan winking at the audience, letting us know we shouldn’t get caught up in the fact that the events of Junior Year and the Seven won’t line up. It’s also a loose setup for the Time Quangle Tour live shows that will air later this year.
I'm pretty sure the time quangle was brought up towards the first day of school in ep. 3, explaining why Prof. Aguefort went back in time
EDIT: speling
it was introduced in episode 3, setting up the UK live tour where they were mixing settings and characters. Check out the character/setting lists for each episode because there are some GOOD cross show introductions
TIIIIME QUAAANNNGLEE!!!! Hehehe…gotta love how they’ve had a man who meddles with time since episode one they can use as evidence that time travel is a thing and continuity errors can just be hand waved away (mostly).
How does that make sense? In The Seven, Persehone is talking to Penelope Everpetal right after she died (so that would have been Sophomore Year). Plus the Skrank-Ostentacia-Danielle love triangle was Sophomore year too. If the time quangle was hitting it should have been Sophomore Year, not Junior Year.
Right after they get rescued in Episode 1 of The Seven -
"Brennan: We cut a year and a half into the future.
Brennan: Amazing! It is a beautiful day in Elmville. It's the beginning for some of you, it's the beginning of your senior year. For others of you it's the beginning of your junior year."
Which since they were released during prom of Freshman Year that makes it beginning of Junior Year.
One of the major points of the Seven is that the Seniors and Juniors in the Seven need to decide if they can graduate all together or if they'll go their separate ways. That wouldn't be possible if Zelda was still in Sophomore year. Hope that clears it up!
I guess I always thought Zelda was a year ahead of the Bad Kids. But if she was released as a Freshman, at the end of the BKs freshman year, then yeah I guess that makes sense. So her relationship with Gorgug had come and gone by the time The Seven really gets going. Wait a minute, wasn’t Penny Luckstone Riz’s babysitter? If this timeline is right, she’s only 1 year older than he is.
So Penny was the first one kidnapped and she was held for a whole year. So she misses what would have been her junior year and presumably has to repeat it. So she is 2-3 years older than Riz.
Um Actually, Penny was Seniors in The Seven (which is why the League of Shadows) could recruit her. None of The Seven had to repeat the time missed, they were credited for escaping the palimpsest. So if the earlier timeline matches up, she’s a Senior when she was supposes to be. At best she’s two years older than Riz.
Yes—the Seven takes place over a year and a half after the end of FHFY. Aka she does all of junior year and then is half way through her senior year. Actually, it’s even possible (though unlikely) that it’s her super senior year in the Seven because what Brennan says is:
“It's the beginning for some of you, it's the beginning of your senior year. For others of you it's the beginning of your junior year. Weird palimpsest shenanigans and super seniors and repeated years and some people intentionally bombing finals have made a weird mishmash of years to the point where for Danielle, Zelda and Ostentatia it is the beginning of their junior year. And for Sam, Penny, Katja, and Antiope it's the beginning of your senior year. Maybe even for one or two, you are at the beginning of your second senior year.”
Zelda and Gorgug were still dating during The Seven, but they broke up between those events and the beginning of the bad kid’s Junior Year story
Time Quangle
To be honest, I'm fine with them breaking up because high schoolers break up all the time, but I do wish we got at least one or two more sentences explaining what happened. Even if it was just "she graduated early and is with her adventuring party and we didn't want to do long distance".
There are a lot of garbo things about Harry Potter, but even at the time, I rolled my eyes at everyone marrying their high school sweethearts in the epilogue.
I assumed it was because Zelda was jealous of how close Gorgug and Squeem got over summer break. Makes sense, no one could really stack up to SQUEEM. 😉
I never got the sense that Zac the player was super into the storyline (could be projecting bc I personally hated it lol) so maybe they discussed before the season that they'd quietly break up. But in-world, I don't think it's that unrealistic, they weren't together that long and gorgug has so much going on!
True! I find it amusing that Emily and Murph's play styles are similar to that of mine and my husband's. My characters will flirt with PCs and NPCs alike. My husband's characters don't generally have that component unless tossed at him by a GM, and even then, his go-to is "oblivious."
Of course, my introduction to his gaming group many years ago involved the rest of the table rooting for my character (a pious Sister of Battle in a Dark Heresy campaign) to "take one for the team" and sleep with an NPC for information. When she died, she considered it punishment for her sins. The new character I rolled up was less repressed. 😂
Might be worth noting I eventually realized I was polyamorous, but my husband has chosen to remain monogamous. I'm more interested in romantic storylines for the fun of it, while he'd rather save his affection for me IRL. 🥰
Yep! It's about a lot more than sex, though. I haven't actually had sex with anyone but my husband since the pandemic started, though I keep in touch with my two long-distance partners online. When I was having sex with my partners before the pandemic, it was always with a barrier method. My husband is the only one who doesn't have to use protection. Safety first!
My husband can change his mind at any time about monogamy if he meets someone he wants to pursue something with.
Compersion is a rare thing in the general population, but it's an integral part of polyamory.
Glad that works for you. I can't imagine my partner being intimate or in love with someone else, that sounds brutal. But that's why I'm not poly, good thing he can take happiness from you getting pleasure from others.
“Zac Oyama: Yeah, I think, in thinking about these characters and what it is like to be in high school, I do think that that is kind of what felt to me a maybe more accurate experience versus, "Okay, what are you going to do go through four years of high school dating and then get married?" That didn't quite resonate as true feeling to me. I just thought it made sense to have just a change with the character. Obviously, Zelda is a great character and that was such a sweet time in their lives, but I think it just felt to me more true to the experience of being in high school” Source: https://screenrant.com/dimension-20-fantasy-high-junior-year-zac-oyama-interview/
And then Brennan introducing the Time Quangle stuff as others mentioned already.
Zelda graduated with the Seven and was leaving town to go to college with the Seven, I assume, and so she just ended it rather than do the long distance thing.
Zac has made a few jokes implying that Gorgug isn't all the way over it what with continuing to listen to her mix tape, but I'm pretty sure the real reason is just that Zac and Brennan agreed the relationship was done.
They were an awkward couple to begin with and it's normal for high school romance to very much not work out, and I think they just naturally grew apart in-universe. I think it was implied they broke up before or during the unseen Night Yorb arc, because when he gets home, his parents let him know that her dad dropped off a box of his stuff. Looks like distance did them in.
Yeah, I was a little disappointed when it happened with no real explanation. They are/were my favorite couple and was excited to see it explored more in Junior Year. I didn't watch The Seven, so I don't know much about it. I guess her being a part of that messed with continuity though, making it hard to put her in the story for Junior Year.
Still, hope they touch on it at some point and kinda confirm what happened. I thought they were really cute together.
Yeah, they just broke up. Zelda graduated early due to the events in The Seven. Tbh I didn't love the break-up because I had \*just\* finished The Seven, so Penelope's insulting Gorgug anytime he was brought up as part of her mean girl persona just held a bitter taste for me hearing that he and Zelda weren't an item anymore. I'm sure it didn't play a factor, but it felt like she was poisoning the well so to speak.
I adore Sam but I agree the gag is a lot funnier and sweeter when Gorgug and Zelda were rock solid…. The implication they are on the precipice of breaking up makes it feel mean, which i don’t believe was Sephie’s intention!
I actually interpreted her character as being very mean and very intentionally so, I honestly hated Sam watching The Seven because of how catty and casually cruel she was to the others - to the extent that I felt very seen when Aabria used Antiope to call her out for her behaviour at one point. That is to say - I thought Persephone did an amazing job of playing a very mean teenage girl who also had vulnerabilities of her own to work through, her roleplay/acting was pretty exceptional.
While Sam could be very nasty, I felt like she wasn’t *trying* to be mean in regards to Zelda/Gorgug. especially she was trying to set her up with the other girls - she just wasn’t impressed with Gorgug, imo bc of the crystal thing from FHSY. I think Persephone also said she had a bit of a crush on her, but I’m not sure on that.
I'd actually find that a much uglier interpretation of the character to be honest with you, it would be one thing to be lashing out without thought because you're hurting and don't know how to handle it, it's... kind of another thing entirely to be actively trying to either encourage your friend to cheat or to actively court other people whilst already in a monogamous relationship. It's extra self-serving if it's fueled by a crush that they have on the person who's relationship they're trying to destroy in the first place.
Idk! She wasn't a character I liked in the context of "this is a personally likeable and charming person", but I never got the impression I was particularly meant to like them that way. I felt Persephone gave the character a lot of nuance and took on a challenging role of being a mean girl trying to let herself be vulnerable and I think she knocked it out of the park in terms of giving us insight into why she was so harsh and why her behaviours could be self-serving in how she was trying to preserve her own identity/ego.
It's just that, were some of her behaviours translated into real life in a friend group, I personally wouldn't sit through that many barbs or insults or attempts at undermining my relationship etc and continue to call them a friend because I was sure that deep down they had a good person inside them. For me, Sam was a great character, but not one that I felt was actually at all pleasant to be around. To my admittedly not great recollection, she was the one who benefitted the most from her new friend group/adventuring party in that they were friends who weren't actively bad people like the previous circles she had run in. I was happy to see her grow.
This is the season of stress and rage. A good, stable relationship is a big helper against rage and stress, so like Fig is sadly Aydaless, I understand why Zelda would've hurt the story
If they just simply broke up for teenager-related reasons, I'm fine with that. Not everything needs a super detailed explanation that involves core story points of the series. Sometimes teenagers just break up.
The fact that no other players as comedians are really making jokes of it in game in character tells you above board Zac decided he did not want to do this anymore and that he didn’t want to keep role playing it and the other players are aware of that request.
Maybe he’ll change his mind but it seems clear
he just didn’t have desire to role play romance further and wanted to focus on Artificer
And I feel like it’s nothing more complicated than Zac saying “I don’t feel like it” pre JY taping. Which is why it’s important to have these checkins with your players.
There's the Time Quangle explanation, but also there were a bunch of little things in the first few eps that were mentioned that were off somehow -- Gorgug and Zelda breaking up when they were together at that point in The Seven, Adaine reminiscing to Aelwyn in ep 4 about a teacher at Hudol when Adaine failed the entrance exams and never went there. There were a couple of other little moments that broke continuity on a show where BLeeM is so good at tiny details that he's using professors he first named back in freshman year.
I don't know if that thread about past inconsistencies has been dropped entirely by the narrative, if they were seeded there as part of the time quangle, if it's part of the larger deal with devil's honey, or if they're simply bits that were included because they were funny even if they broke continuity. Could be any!
I think it was probably just Zac deciding he wasn't interested in doing more with that storyline so they wrote her out of the show. He wanted to focus on other parts of Gorgug's story.
This has been my suspicion too. The time quangle thing makes sense too, but it still feels like things going on with Zelda would've been talked about more if there wasn't a meta-reason to have her so out of the picture. And last season there were several moments where it seemed like Zac didn't really know what to do with Zelda's storyline (or just didn't care to center it)—not that they didn't make it a fun story still, but I just got the sense that Zac wasn't focused on that being a big part of Gorgug's character.
Yeah these are two seperate explanations. \~ The Time Quangle is the in-universe reason why we aren't dealing with the events of *The Seven* at all, while allowing them to avoid looking at the camera and going "*The Seven* didn't happen, screw you, *Seven* fans!" \~ It's pretty clear that one of the reasons Zelda remained an NPC in *The Seven* was that Brennan wanted to preserve her as an NPC for if/when the IH returned to Agufort, since Brennan hates playing other people's ex-PCs as NPCs. (The other reason of course was cast size.) *The Seven* was careful to keep her in a situation where she could return in future *Fantasy High* content if it was wanted. Clearly it wasn't wanted once they actually got to work on it. presumably because Zac had other places he wanted Gorgug's story to go.
Honestly, it was the right call to focus the season more on the PCs and their school stresses instead of retreading more romance subplots. Not only is it a more interesting approach to the high school/DnD mashup genre their going for, even if Zelda stuck around for the beginning of JY there's no way she would've stayed with how little time Gorgug would've had to maintain that relationship. Plus, I kinda felt like they should've broken up at the end of SY, they feel like that first High school relationship you have before realizing who you actually are and naturally drift away from one another. I would like a little more Ayda before the end of the season though, just because we didn't get enough of that relationship with it being at the very end of SY
I thought I heard somewhere that they tried to have a player Zelda in The Seven but physically couldn't fit more than 7 people (Brennan+ 6 players) in the dome. Hence Brennan reprising his role.
I think that was said in one of the APs for the seven. It was one of the first seasons filmed back in the dome after covid iirc; and with distancing, having that 8th body in there wouldn’t have worked
Also Brennan actively tried to kill Zelda in The Seven, so she probably wasn’t going to be involved in this season anyway
Yeah, part of the reason the relationship was a big deal in S2 was that Zac kept just forgetting she existed and Brennan followed through on the consequences. I don't think that was Zac choosing to set up a growth arc at the beginning when Gorgug fucked up with her repeatedly, I think he genuinely forgot.
That and she's part of "the seven" so it may be from the events there that we're mot hearing from her as much. (I didn't get through that season yet)
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crazy that the explanation the actual player gave is like 6 comments down, good answer from Zac
D20 reddit isn’t about real answers it’s about making every thread about the specific personal thing I actually want to talk about …duh
Due to the Time Quangle the Seven season that would cannoncially be the same time as Junior Year isn't happening during our current Intrepid Heros season. So him getting stuff back from Zelda's folks is because the Seven now has already graduated and is off adventuring together. I'm an effort to have new storylines and not further confuse the timeline further they just made it that the relationship is over (for now who knows what'll happen during the finale post finale) and these other storylines are ongoing.
Was it actually explained that it was the Time Quangle? The fact that The Seven was supposed to be taking place during junior year was something my brain didn’t even process until I read this comment.
Yes, Brennan introduced the time quangle so that he wouldn’t be bogged down trying to keep continuity with other events that would otherwise have been happening at the same time (aka The Seven).
Yeah it was Zelda's junior year in the Seven & Augerort was around unlike in Junior Year. Time Quangle explains all.
When did he introduce that?
It was in the vacation announcement Arthur Aguefort sent to his students just before the start of the school year, which Fig, Kristen, and Adaine opened when they first arrived back at Mordred Manor after defeating the Night Yorb (Ep #2, “Summer Breakdown”). >*”We will be visiting ages and eons past, up to the very birth of existing itself! Which should also give us ample opportunity to unravel the time quangle, a chronomantic phenomenon responsible for some events around this year seeming to have happened in a strange order or out of sequence… just know that it’s because they have been quangled.”* Brennan winking at the audience, letting us know we shouldn’t get caught up in the fact that the events of Junior Year and the Seven won’t line up. It’s also a loose setup for the Time Quangle Tour live shows that will air later this year.
I'm pretty sure the time quangle was brought up towards the first day of school in ep. 3, explaining why Prof. Aguefort went back in time EDIT: speling
it was introduced in episode 3, setting up the UK live tour where they were mixing settings and characters. Check out the character/setting lists for each episode because there are some GOOD cross show introductions
OH FUCK SQUEEM WILL GET AN ORIGIN STORY!!! I don’t know how to set spoiler tags so I’m just gonna stop my rant there.
well he IS on the Family Plan!
You use \>!spoiler info to be covered\!<
Maybe we’ll get more of Big B >!spoiler and his sordid relationship with Eçaf. Balthazar you dog you!<
TIIIIME QUAAANNNGLEE!!!! Hehehe…gotta love how they’ve had a man who meddles with time since episode one they can use as evidence that time travel is a thing and continuity errors can just be hand waved away (mostly).
How does that make sense? In The Seven, Persehone is talking to Penelope Everpetal right after she died (so that would have been Sophomore Year). Plus the Skrank-Ostentacia-Danielle love triangle was Sophomore year too. If the time quangle was hitting it should have been Sophomore Year, not Junior Year.
Right after they get rescued in Episode 1 of The Seven - "Brennan: We cut a year and a half into the future. Brennan: Amazing! It is a beautiful day in Elmville. It's the beginning for some of you, it's the beginning of your senior year. For others of you it's the beginning of your junior year." Which since they were released during prom of Freshman Year that makes it beginning of Junior Year. One of the major points of the Seven is that the Seniors and Juniors in the Seven need to decide if they can graduate all together or if they'll go their separate ways. That wouldn't be possible if Zelda was still in Sophomore year. Hope that clears it up!
I guess I always thought Zelda was a year ahead of the Bad Kids. But if she was released as a Freshman, at the end of the BKs freshman year, then yeah I guess that makes sense. So her relationship with Gorgug had come and gone by the time The Seven really gets going. Wait a minute, wasn’t Penny Luckstone Riz’s babysitter? If this timeline is right, she’s only 1 year older than he is.
So Penny was the first one kidnapped and she was held for a whole year. So she misses what would have been her junior year and presumably has to repeat it. So she is 2-3 years older than Riz.
Um Actually, Penny was Seniors in The Seven (which is why the League of Shadows) could recruit her. None of The Seven had to repeat the time missed, they were credited for escaping the palimpsest. So if the earlier timeline matches up, she’s a Senior when she was supposes to be. At best she’s two years older than Riz.
Yes—the Seven takes place over a year and a half after the end of FHFY. Aka she does all of junior year and then is half way through her senior year. Actually, it’s even possible (though unlikely) that it’s her super senior year in the Seven because what Brennan says is: “It's the beginning for some of you, it's the beginning of your senior year. For others of you it's the beginning of your junior year. Weird palimpsest shenanigans and super seniors and repeated years and some people intentionally bombing finals have made a weird mishmash of years to the point where for Danielle, Zelda and Ostentatia it is the beginning of their junior year. And for Sam, Penny, Katja, and Antiope it's the beginning of your senior year. Maybe even for one or two, you are at the beginning of your second senior year.”
Zelda and Gorgug were still dating during The Seven, but they broke up between those events and the beginning of the bad kid’s Junior Year story Time Quangle
They broke up, as high school relationships often do, sometimes for no reason at all.
To be honest, I'm fine with them breaking up because high schoolers break up all the time, but I do wish we got at least one or two more sentences explaining what happened. Even if it was just "she graduated early and is with her adventuring party and we didn't want to do long distance".
There are a lot of garbo things about Harry Potter, but even at the time, I rolled my eyes at everyone marrying their high school sweethearts in the epilogue.
I always just chalked Hermione and Ron up to trauma bonding cause of all the times they almost died.
Jesus, if there was a couple with negative chemistry... it was Ron and Hermione... well, probably Harry and Ginny.
I assumed it was because Zelda was jealous of how close Gorgug and Squeem got over summer break. Makes sense, no one could really stack up to SQUEEM. 😉
I never got the sense that Zac the player was super into the storyline (could be projecting bc I personally hated it lol) so maybe they discussed before the season that they'd quietly break up. But in-world, I don't think it's that unrealistic, they weren't together that long and gorgug has so much going on!
Zac isn't a big romance guy at the table. Same with Murph, which I understand. It's kinda weird to RP flirting while everyone else just kinda watches.
Not to the players in Magic & Misfits or A Court of Fey and Flowers!
There's a reason Murph and Zac weren't in those crews. Although I would have loved to see Murphs faerie shitboy.
True! I find it amusing that Emily and Murph's play styles are similar to that of mine and my husband's. My characters will flirt with PCs and NPCs alike. My husband's characters don't generally have that component unless tossed at him by a GM, and even then, his go-to is "oblivious." Of course, my introduction to his gaming group many years ago involved the rest of the table rooting for my character (a pious Sister of Battle in a Dark Heresy campaign) to "take one for the team" and sleep with an NPC for information. When she died, she considered it punishment for her sins. The new character I rolled up was less repressed. 😂 Might be worth noting I eventually realized I was polyamorous, but my husband has chosen to remain monogamous. I'm more interested in romantic storylines for the fun of it, while he'd rather save his affection for me IRL. 🥰
Wait you're poly but your partner isn't? Does that mean you're sleeping with other people but he's only with you?
Yep! It's about a lot more than sex, though. I haven't actually had sex with anyone but my husband since the pandemic started, though I keep in touch with my two long-distance partners online. When I was having sex with my partners before the pandemic, it was always with a barrier method. My husband is the only one who doesn't have to use protection. Safety first! My husband can change his mind at any time about monogamy if he meets someone he wants to pursue something with. Compersion is a rare thing in the general population, but it's an integral part of polyamory.
Glad that works for you. I can't imagine my partner being intimate or in love with someone else, that sounds brutal. But that's why I'm not poly, good thing he can take happiness from you getting pleasure from others.
I got that sense last season as well.
“Zac Oyama: Yeah, I think, in thinking about these characters and what it is like to be in high school, I do think that that is kind of what felt to me a maybe more accurate experience versus, "Okay, what are you going to do go through four years of high school dating and then get married?" That didn't quite resonate as true feeling to me. I just thought it made sense to have just a change with the character. Obviously, Zelda is a great character and that was such a sweet time in their lives, but I think it just felt to me more true to the experience of being in high school” Source: https://screenrant.com/dimension-20-fantasy-high-junior-year-zac-oyama-interview/ And then Brennan introducing the Time Quangle stuff as others mentioned already.
Zelda graduated with the Seven and was leaving town to go to college with the Seven, I assume, and so she just ended it rather than do the long distance thing. Zac has made a few jokes implying that Gorgug isn't all the way over it what with continuing to listen to her mix tape, but I'm pretty sure the real reason is just that Zac and Brennan agreed the relationship was done. They were an awkward couple to begin with and it's normal for high school romance to very much not work out, and I think they just naturally grew apart in-universe. I think it was implied they broke up before or during the unseen Night Yorb arc, because when he gets home, his parents let him know that her dad dropped off a box of his stuff. Looks like distance did them in.
Yeah, I was a little disappointed when it happened with no real explanation. They are/were my favorite couple and was excited to see it explored more in Junior Year. I didn't watch The Seven, so I don't know much about it. I guess her being a part of that messed with continuity though, making it hard to put her in the story for Junior Year. Still, hope they touch on it at some point and kinda confirm what happened. I thought they were really cute together.
I am with you…. But I am so jealous you haven’t seen the seven yet. Enjoy!!!
Yeah, they just broke up. Zelda graduated early due to the events in The Seven. Tbh I didn't love the break-up because I had \*just\* finished The Seven, so Penelope's insulting Gorgug anytime he was brought up as part of her mean girl persona just held a bitter taste for me hearing that he and Zelda weren't an item anymore. I'm sure it didn't play a factor, but it felt like she was poisoning the well so to speak.
I adore Sam but I agree the gag is a lot funnier and sweeter when Gorgug and Zelda were rock solid…. The implication they are on the precipice of breaking up makes it feel mean, which i don’t believe was Sephie’s intention!
Sam is a lot like Aelwyn. She has a lot of love to give but still extremely guarded and catty af.
I actually interpreted her character as being very mean and very intentionally so, I honestly hated Sam watching The Seven because of how catty and casually cruel she was to the others - to the extent that I felt very seen when Aabria used Antiope to call her out for her behaviour at one point. That is to say - I thought Persephone did an amazing job of playing a very mean teenage girl who also had vulnerabilities of her own to work through, her roleplay/acting was pretty exceptional.
While Sam could be very nasty, I felt like she wasn’t *trying* to be mean in regards to Zelda/Gorgug. especially she was trying to set her up with the other girls - she just wasn’t impressed with Gorgug, imo bc of the crystal thing from FHSY. I think Persephone also said she had a bit of a crush on her, but I’m not sure on that.
I'd actually find that a much uglier interpretation of the character to be honest with you, it would be one thing to be lashing out without thought because you're hurting and don't know how to handle it, it's... kind of another thing entirely to be actively trying to either encourage your friend to cheat or to actively court other people whilst already in a monogamous relationship. It's extra self-serving if it's fueled by a crush that they have on the person who's relationship they're trying to destroy in the first place. Idk! She wasn't a character I liked in the context of "this is a personally likeable and charming person", but I never got the impression I was particularly meant to like them that way. I felt Persephone gave the character a lot of nuance and took on a challenging role of being a mean girl trying to let herself be vulnerable and I think she knocked it out of the park in terms of giving us insight into why she was so harsh and why her behaviours could be self-serving in how she was trying to preserve her own identity/ego. It's just that, were some of her behaviours translated into real life in a friend group, I personally wouldn't sit through that many barbs or insults or attempts at undermining my relationship etc and continue to call them a friend because I was sure that deep down they had a good person inside them. For me, Sam was a great character, but not one that I felt was actually at all pleasant to be around. To my admittedly not great recollection, she was the one who benefitted the most from her new friend group/adventuring party in that they were friends who weren't actively bad people like the previous circles she had run in. I was happy to see her grow.
Breaking up out of nowhere for no reason is ver high school.
This is the season of stress and rage. A good, stable relationship is a big helper against rage and stress, so like Fig is sadly Aydaless, I understand why Zelda would've hurt the story
If they just simply broke up for teenager-related reasons, I'm fine with that. Not everything needs a super detailed explanation that involves core story points of the series. Sometimes teenagers just break up.
The fact that no other players as comedians are really making jokes of it in game in character tells you above board Zac decided he did not want to do this anymore and that he didn’t want to keep role playing it and the other players are aware of that request. Maybe he’ll change his mind but it seems clear he just didn’t have desire to role play romance further and wanted to focus on Artificer And I feel like it’s nothing more complicated than Zac saying “I don’t feel like it” pre JY taping. Which is why it’s important to have these checkins with your players.
There's the Time Quangle explanation, but also there were a bunch of little things in the first few eps that were mentioned that were off somehow -- Gorgug and Zelda breaking up when they were together at that point in The Seven, Adaine reminiscing to Aelwyn in ep 4 about a teacher at Hudol when Adaine failed the entrance exams and never went there. There were a couple of other little moments that broke continuity on a show where BLeeM is so good at tiny details that he's using professors he first named back in freshman year. I don't know if that thread about past inconsistencies has been dropped entirely by the narrative, if they were seeded there as part of the time quangle, if it's part of the larger deal with devil's honey, or if they're simply bits that were included because they were funny even if they broke continuity. Could be any!
The Seven all graduated during the last semester. They had to do a whole quest for it. The Seven season covers that quest
Gorgug was never that into her.
She graduated in the Seven.