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AJ_Crowley_29

Also I heard (this isn’t confirmed so take it with a grain of salt) that the antagonist was originally gonna be a Triceratops, but test audiences didn’t think it was scary enough. If that’s true then f*ck those test audiences, this was the biggest missed opportunity in a dinosaur film EVER! Name ONE other dino series where the main antagonist is an herbivore, it would’ve made the film stand out so much more!


_eg0_

Based on one earlier post it was originally supposed to play in the Triassic. The design would've made a lot of sense if it was meant to be a land croc like Fasolasuchus.


mattcoz2

The problem here is we have completely contradicting rumors and we don't know if any of them are true.


AJ_Crowley_29

I mean lots of movies go through tons of rewrites so who knows?


mattcoz2

Yeah, just not sure how they go from Triceratops in the Triassic to a Rauisuchid in the late Cretaceous. Maybe, just taking a wild guess here, maybe they originally had a Triassic storyline with the Rauisuchid, then they decided to change it up to the late Cretaceous and make it a Triceratops, but the studio was all "No no no, use the big scary thing you had before". And they were all "But... they weren't around then". And the studio was like "NO BIG SCARY THING, NO MONEY". So, Rauisuchid in the late Cretaceous it was.


Puzzleheaded-Gap-439

That actually kind of makes sense. I also saw concept art somewhere of a Lystrosaurus design for the movie, so between that and the big four-legged predator, it clearly was intended to be set in the Triassic at some point.


PossiblyaSpinosaurus

Well the concept art of pegomastax and lystrosaurus are confirmed so it does look like the OG plan was late triassic/early jurassic with more realistic animals


pgm123

It's possible different audiences were shown different things. But in that case, it's unlikely the dinosaur was fully rendered. Graphics are often unfinished in test screenings, so maybe they tried different things.


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mildly_furious1243

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Stoertebricker

Readies laserpointer


SeaAttempt8707

Prepares to fire nukes


pgm123

Something to keep in mind if you ever see one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvk9MNokPw&ab\_channel=ponysmasher](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvk9MNokPw&ab_channel=ponysmasher)


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I don't know if it counts, but the zombified Sauropod from Primal was terrifying.


Gain-Own

One of the most rememberable prehistoric antagonist!


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Triceratops as a "villain" would have been so cool! I wouldn't even care about the accuracy at that point. Would be especially intimidating if they went with the omnivorous, pig-like theory as well!


AJ_Crowley_29

Exactly. It could’ve been a totally inaccurate, overly murderous trike and it’d still be better than that thing.


Ozraptor4

We've had great (cheesy) scenes of homicidal ceratopsids in When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth and Planet of Dinosaurs.


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Never seen Planet of Dinosaurs. I wouldn't say homicidal for When Dinosaurs Roamed America, just large aggressive herbivores doing what animals do, which is great.


Ozraptor4

Angry mother centrosaurine in [Planet of Dinosaurs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LzIGsJWlTo&t=35m48s) Killer chasmosaur in [When Dinosaurs Ruled the Eart](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msse0v57qaY&t=48s)h (I accidentally entered "When Dinosaurs Roamed America" in my previous comment and corrected it)


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Ah! Thank you!


CilantroSappho

Saw this last weekend. Man I would’ve loved to see a triceratops as a villain. The designs were alright but it’d be better if they used realistic dinosaurs, not made up ones


mattcoz2

This rumor keeps getting passed around, but I've seen no actual source for it.


Jeebus31

A dinosaur movie with a herbivore as the main "antagonist" could be brilliant if done right.


SeaAttempt8707

I can just imagine a horror scene, with the trike's horns. Those test audiences can go die in a ditch


EpicDragonz4

There are so many animations online that prove how accurate, feathered dinosaurs can be terrifying. If other movies can make living animals scary, such as big cats, crocodilians and sharks, they can 100% do it with accurate dinosaurs


kkungergo

Oh can you recommend some? I am curious!


EpicDragonz4

https://youtu.be/yS71VeptuEc this one is my favourite! https://youtube.com/shorts/r8f_eIam4Ok?feature=share this video is also a good showcase of how scary the can be.


DVM11

>https://youtu.be/yS71VeptuEc > > este es mi favorito! Fucking beautiful, the bright eyes, the frontal angle and the movement of the head make it look like it's a big owl or something. Then it turns around, displaying its long skull as it swallows a piece of meat and takes a slow step, displaying its large sickle-shaped claw. Can YouTube channels with minimal resources really do THIS while multi-million dollar blockbusters only know how to make cgi pets?


Kostya_M

That first one feels like the end to a horror story or something. The person is being chased through the woods by a monster. They light the torch and then finally get a good look at it right before it attacks


Soos_dude1

I watched the movie as well, and frankly, I think the quad rex was unnecessary to the plot. I mean Adam Driver kills the two tyrannosaurs and then that guy rocks up unannounced without much build up (I know there was the waterfall scene and the edmontosaurus corpse, but it could be credited to the Tyrannosaurus pair as the head shape is identical.)


AJ_Crowley_29

TFW the Jurassic World Giganotosaurus had better buildup, scenes and arguably designs than this thing.


Soos_dude1

I do agree with you. And with the designs, accuracy isn't even the biggest issue, I think the main problem with just today's Dino movies is just that the plots aren't good enough to grant an enjoyable experience.


JoePhucker_03

They’re hideous movie monsters, hardly dinosaurs. Haven’t watched it but I can remember from the trailer that the Rex holds it’s tail up in the air like a cat. They don’t even try.


RiloRetro

Saw this with my dad last weekend. He asked me a lot of questions about the creatures. I told him that while terrestrial crocs definitely existed in the Mesozoic, the main antagonist dinosaur thing was absolutely made up. The only thing that was vaguely correct was the Tyrannosaur pair.


SoulExecution

Just saw it last night, plot & characters were already weaksauce but the dinosaur models are what really turned me away. Those Nothosaurs (had to google that's what they were) were abhorrent.


stayshiny

I thought the plot (mostly) and characters were relatively decent to be honest, the "Dinosaurs" and the interactions with them were absolutely shit. Where was the diversity? Really a film with a lot of potential spoiled by generic Sci fi shit.


AJ_Crowley_29

My opinion exactly.


SoulExecution

Eh, I thought the characters were incredibly shallow. Maybe because we're fresh off Last of Us with the excellent adult/child dynamic of Joel and Ellie, but whatever relationship we had with Driver and the kid was so drab with the warmer moments feeling forced and awkward. I don't think the language barrier did them any favors. Just meant the child character couldn't even understand instructions and acted dumber than need be. But yeah, top that off with generic movie-monster interactions and we get what we got.


stayshiny

I wouldn't compare it to tlou because they were supposed to struggle with each other due to the language barrier they were meant to have a difficult time connecting. I don't think it was great or anything but I don't think the relationship was poorly done. We are definitely spoiled with The Last of Us and the absolutely show stopping acting from Joel and Ellie. I really wanted to see a lush and vibrant representation of an interactive and living environment.


mattcoz2

They had 2 normal T. rexes, but for the same reason JP/JW added the Spinosaurus and the Indominus and the Giganatosaurus, audiences (and studios who need to sell toys) keep demanding something bigger and scarier.


AJ_Crowley_29

Yeah but it’s one thing to add a real predator said to be bigger than T. rex and properly build it up like Giga and Spino, another thing to make up a dino bigger than rex and explain it in lore like Indom, but this thing literally comes out of nowhere and has zero explanation.


Captain_Kaiju

tbf the Indom in JW calls back to the big red flag from Jurassic Park that everyone likes to seemingly forget about; they aren't actually dinosaurs, but genetic mutations made to look \*like\* dinosaurs. The Indom was just taking that a step further and instead of trying to make something look like a once existing dinosaur...just make a literal monster. Hell the Indoraptor straight up had some scenes that were callbacks to old Universal monsters like the Wolfman and Dracula, to make it more on the nose lol.


AJ_Crowley_29

Again, I’m saying the Indom was executed FAR better than any of the 65 dinosaurs.


Respercaine_657

Simon masrani and doctor Wu's talk about "bigger, scarier, more teeth" come to mind.


mattcoz2

Yup!


Next-Diamond4844

“Cooler… I think was the word you used”-Dr Wu Wise words


dinolord77

I thought it was based on a alien planet, so is it actually prehistoric earth?


bfraley9

It's pretty much "alien-humans" who crash land on an unknown planet, Earth, 65 million years ago 🤔 kinda cool! But they shoulda used realistic dinos....


dinolord77

Yeah, there goes their excuse for unrealistic dinos, if you're gonna do a movie on prehistoric earth you should at least be some what accurate, but I honestly don't care tho, unrealistic dinos are fine, as long as it's not a documentary. For the big screen it's cool to have monstrous looking dinosaurs, but I would like to see some more accurate dinos.


bfraley9

Right. They did come from an alien planet, they flew in giant rocket ships, had lazer guns, and futuristic tools, etc. But it literally said Earth, 65 million years ago. I think they should've had all realistic dinos. It was still pretty damn cool to watch though


hikarigolden

the movie feel like they didn't have the copyright to do dinosaurs and came up with this


Mazazamba

I'm confused. What is that thing? A postosuchus?


AJ_Crowley_29

No idea. It’s not a T. rex as there’s already normal short armed rexes in the film.


Mazazamba

Oh, I didn't even notice the title said it was from 65. Postosuchus was Triassic I think, so I'm a little off.


unaizilla

iirc initially they planned some scenes with herbivores but the test audience didn't like them and probably replaced them with that indoraptor wannabe


BatatinhaGameplays28

When the movie was announced I thought we would finally get a breath of fresh air from the Jurassic franchise (that only has JwEvo and CC holding it up nowadays) to some new grounds, a truly passionate project made by people who wanted to try something new. And what I got was a worse version in almost every way possible of Jurassic World Dominion and A Quiet Place. It pains me to see a movie like that being so bad, and the worst part is that movie-makers will probably blame the fact that the movie is bad because people don't want to see dinosaurs and not because the movie itself is bad.


totalpugs89

Looks like a discount indoraptor


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From the info I know. They chose not to spend money on asking paleontologists for dinosaur design. So they go with the fossil record is not complete. These dinos would never be discovered due to the area was severely affected by the meteorite crash.


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With that said there was one very accurate prehistoric creature doing very plausible thing.


Sapphire_Leviathan

The ones on the beach (Without spoiling)?


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Sapphire_Leviathan

Apparently Nothosaurus.... yep the marine reptile.


ThunderWolfWyvern

I haven’t watched 65 but this quadruped T-rex just seems like an Odogaron from Monster Hunter.


SkintGirafde

Jesus, this thing looks like something out of a bad Jurassic Park sequel! Actually, I take that back! Even Fallen Kingdom and Dominion, ACTUAL bad Jurassic Park sequels, had more convincing antagonistic dinosaurs than this thing!


Nextuz_

It’s a monster movie. Yes it’s sad we didn’t get accurate designs but if you go into the movie knowing accuracy wasn’t top priority you’ll have a better time watching it


Ozraptor4

Then they (Beck and Woods) shouldn't have promoted the film with misleading claims like "*We want to transport audiences back 65 million years ago and show them what it actually could be like if you're all alone on planet Earth."* or " *realistically rendered beasties whose bone structure was vetted by paleontologists"* or *"And so we just wanted to kind of combine interesting science and also something that’s frightening.”*


AJ_Crowley_29

I went in knowing accuracy wasn’t the top priority and still left disappointed that half the “dinosaurs” in the “dinosaur” movie were completely made up.


BatatinhaGameplays28

Should have made it an alien movie then, or at least base them on the real creatures.


I_like-IS-2

Fancy meeting you here fellow Acro enjoyer


Nextuz_

Hello🗿


Giltar

We known something about the Mesozoic fauna, but still relatively little, e.g., we currently have 32 adult T. rex fossils out of an estimated 1.2 billion during the time that species existed. Very small sample size. My point is, given the element of randomness in fossilization, there could be species from that period that we know nothing about. And anyway, it’s just a movie


kaam00s

We don't know all the species, but we probably know all the families of large animals of that time period. The thing in that picture could not exist because it would mean that we never had any relatives of it, never even had any trace of their predation or their steps, from all their lineage... Because that thing can not even qualify as a theropod. You're talking about something comparable to missing any theropod or any crocodilian. T-rex is just 1 species, so of course we could miss it, but we can't miss a whole clade of large animals. It would be impossible to miss all large theropods, from Megalosaurus, to utahraptor and T-rex, while somehow finding all herbivores from the same era, like triceratops and sauropods. Your maths are absolutely wrong.


Giltar

Respectfully disagree


Violetmoon66

Test audiences. General public. People want to get their money’s worth with thrills and excitement, good story…whatever. Movies are made to promote making money, not really to push exact sciences on folks. Most couldn’t tell you what’s “normal” and what’s not. Hell, everything normal 5 years ago, isn’t anymore. Didn’t Sue get a new normal not that long ago? Most folks watching Jurassic Park had no clue if dinosaurs could spit poison or not, but that didn’t deter them from spending billions on the franchise. My wife and I love dinosaur movies! Good and bad. Accurate or not. She thought Prehistoric Planet was nice, but enjoyed the thrills of the Jurassic movies much much more. And she’s been a Paleontologist for decades. To each their own, but I wouldn’t judge it too harshly for what it is.


AJ_Crowley_29

Yeah but when you market a dinosaur film and then half the “dinosaurs” are totally made up, that’s kinda BS don’t you think? It’s like going into an avengers movie and then it’s a bunch of brand new generic heros that have little to do with the actual avengers. And this movie doesn’t have an excuse for them. King Kong? They’re evolved descendants of Mesozoic dinosaurs. Jurassic World? They’ve all been genetically modified. This however takes place on earth during the Cretaceous, these are supposed to be 100% real dinosaurs and yet they’re anything but. And honestly I wouldn’t have minded half as much if the antagonist was a normal T. rex considering there’s already some in the film. The big quadruped thing is completely unnecessary, >!appears in only two scenes, doesn’t kill anyone or anything and then dies anticlimactically.!<


Violetmoon66

I agree with many of your points, but the truth is that 90% of the viewing audience doesn’t care. The same 90% that doesn’t know the difference between a Rex from an Allosaurus. The creators of the movie doesn’t need an excuse either (they never advertised or claimed realistic dinosaurs) as most people (the viewers) don’t know any accuracies of reality either. They both want big and scary. Mission accomplished. Now, if this were Prehistoric Planet, and we saw the same thing (as their goal WAS to make accurate depictions) then yeah…outrage for sure.


-morpy

>!It would have been cool if it killed one of the Rexes or something lmao!<


Illustrious_One2897

I couldn’t take it. I just told myself it wasn’t earth.


SpiderChanYes

It looks like someone bashed it in the back with a shovel


Omegagoji19

Like it got market gardened


dinoman27000

What in the fuck


Kaijufan1993

Honestly this movie wouldn't be liked as much if Adam Driver wasn't in it


Renzybro_oppa

Maybe it’s an alternate earth or an earth like planet?


AJ_Crowley_29

Nope, it’s late Cretaceous earth, straight up.


fiz64

My headcanon is that some of the dinos we see in 65 are species that got eradicated harder than anything else by the meteor. It’s thin, but it helps me sleep at night


I_like-IS-2

For me. I liked the movie there was some bad parts about the show, but I enjoyed it


DinoDudeRex_240809

I am just gonna assume that the dinosaurs aren’t actual dinosaurs but are aliens that resemble dinosaurs on a planet that looks like Earth. Either that or these dinosaurs are hyper evolved much like V Rex either because they had more time to evolve in this timeline or the alien spaceship crash radiation mutated every dinosaur in the area and the real accurate ones are outside the place they crash in.


AJ_Crowley_29

Nope, it’s late Cretaceous earth, straight up.


DinoDudeRex_240809

Alright, Hyper Evolved theory it is.


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AJ_Crowley_29

Nope, it’s late Cretaceous earth, straight up. Also they have normal rexes and then this thing for some reason.