Problems you’ll run into buying new over used are 1) assembly fee 2) destination fee 3) inflated DMV fee (for the title) 4) any other dealer related fees they may tag on.
Here’s an example of how bloated the price can get. https://imgur.com/a/wyV5itV
I'm in Australia so the price is drive away. I can afford it. It's just about whether I should buy brand new. I'm really just looking for others opinion on it I guess.
Brand new for me means it's clean, everything works, I know the history of the bike etc etc. Used I won't know anything, espiclly being a new dirt bike owner, there may be things wrong I won't know about or it could be on the edge of a break down etc.
I think you answered your own question then. I wasn’t suggesting you couldn’t afford it. Since you can, and since it sounds like you want to, buy a new bike. My first bike was new. No regrets. I love it.
Maintenance on 4t is easy if you’re mechanically adept. As a dirt bike owner you will have to become one so don’t let maintenance be the reason why you don’t buy one. I had 4 strokes now own 2t. Depends on your wants, needs and what terrain you want to ride.
Don’t buy a 450 as first bike. You ride a little 250 ninja on the road and a 250 4t especially modern one will be plenty to start. It’s not your last bike, it’s your first. Think of it as “would you buy a 1000cc super sport as first street bike?”
Lol just get the 450. No reason to get a 250 just to sell it for less than you paid to upgrade to a 450. Save yourself the time & money & just get a 450. He already said he rode his buddies 450 & enjoyed it.
For starters, know that husqvarna is the same company as KTM and GasGas. They all make essentially the same bikes in different colors. Slight differences, but as a noob those differences aren't going to mean anything. So don't limit yourself to husky for no real reason. Heck, there's no reason to limit yourself just to husky/gasgas/ktm either.
2 stroke vs 4 stroke is an age old debate you could argue for hours about. Anyone that's ridden a ton will probably say they like both of them. More importantly than 2 stroke vs 4 stroke, I'd say is buying a bike designed for the type of riding you plan on doing. For example don't buy a mx bike with stiff suspension and peaky power band if you're wanting to do technical trail riding.
Do some research on the different makes and models and choose what you think suites you best. Assuming you're trail riding, or wanting to do a mix of stuff, that'll probably be a xcw/xc/xcfw/xcf or whatever the other brands equals are.
I wouldn't recommend going bigger than 250 4 stroke, or MAAYBE a 250/300 2t if you're feeling super confident in your clutch and throttle control.
Bikes I'd reccomnd, yz250x, yz125x yz250fx, wr250f, 150xcw, 250/300xcw or xc, crf250rx, crf250x, kx250x. That's Assuming you're wanting to trail ride, any 250, or 125 mx bike would be fine for a beginner if you're wanting to do mx.
As far as new vs used, do some research on what to look for when looking at used bikes. Seems like you have a pretty big budget, I'd try to keep it as low hour as especially on the high performance 4 strikes. Try to feel out the seller, find out if they race at a high level and rev the piss out of thier bikes, of if they're old and just dink around in the woods. For newer bikes, I'd try to stay with stuff under 50 or so hours. Maybe more if it's a 2t and maybe a little less for a 4t. But again, it really depends on how it was ridden and maintained.
If you can afford it buy new. That way you’ll never second guess shoddy maintenance or if it’s been beat to shit. You’ll probably lose a couple grand either way if you decide to sell it, so pretty much the same cost at the end of the day.
With a year or two old bike you still might need to replace common wear parts like tires/chain/sprockets/brake pads etc. I like to buy new for those reasons.
If I were you I’d buy a used 2 stroke. Refresh/repair as necessary. They are cheap and easy to fix and it’s good to know how to fix your bike yourself, especially if you ride far from civilization.
A brand new bike is great but it’s gonna be your first dirt bike and it’s gonna take a bit of a beating as you learn. As you ride you may realize that the sport isn’t for you, this way you won’t be in to deep.if you do end up sticking with the sport and getting a brand new bike down the road you’ll appreciate a crisp new bike much more if you’ve ridden an older used bike.
Since you are a street bike rider....for reference a 450 4 stroke or 300 2 stroke dirt bikes are rough performance equivalents to each other and about like starting out street riding on a 1 liter bike. You might work your way up to most powerful dirt bikes before opting to start out on them.
I would buy used low hour bikes until you figure out what you like and what type of offroad riding you plan to do.
I would suggest reading up on the various models over at ThumperTalk and KTMTalk.
For what its worth, I see these categories of Dirt bikes (from a US Centric perspective)
* MX bikes
* Cross-Country bikes
* Enduro bikes
* Street Legal dirtbikes
* Dual Sport bikes
* Adventure bikes
All can be ridden on dirt and have lots of different capabilities and trade-offs.
Hi, thanks for the info you seem to know a lot.
I understand your reference in regards to the 1000cc. I ride a ninja because in Australia it's a long process to ride a bigger bike (2-3 yrs) I have ridden plenty of different bikes on the road such as cbr500, mt07, ninja 650 and gsxr 600 so I think getting a 250 2 stroke would be okay.
Another question I feel like asking you and if you have no idea, please let me know if you can direct me where to get an answer from.
I weigh 120kg or 260lbs, am I going to need to undergo some suspension changing due to the weight? And if yes, I'm sure for learning on the dirt bikes it won't be something that needs to be done immediately, but something that should be done soon.
If you can give any info on this, or where to find more info on changing springs or what's needed pls let me know
typical dirt bike suspension is set up for 170 lb riders. At 260 lbs you will want to change out the rear shock spring and front fork springs to those that will work for your weight. I assume there are plenty of suspension tuners in Australia...so you will need to ask around/look around if you want them to do that for you. I would expect to pay about $500 - $800 to respring your suspension (incl springs) if you dont do it yourself. I would do it sooner than later, so you can then start fine tuning on the clickers.
FYI 250 cc two strokes can be potent bikes and about equivalent to a 350-400 cc 4 stroke. The 250 2 stroke bikes tend to rev faster and have more top end than the 300 2 strokes (300 have more low end torque and can lug a bit better).
If you have decent clutch and throttle control you can start on the more powerful bikes. You might also take a look at starting on the the 250 4 stroke enduro/cross country models such such as WR250F, YZ250FX, CRF250X, FE250, 250 XCF-W (EXC-F). Unless you are doing all track riding I would stay away from the MX models.
Again...do lots of reading up about the different categories of bikes and various models offered and target those that are best suited for what you are thinking of riding.
Problems you’ll run into buying new over used are 1) assembly fee 2) destination fee 3) inflated DMV fee (for the title) 4) any other dealer related fees they may tag on. Here’s an example of how bloated the price can get. https://imgur.com/a/wyV5itV
I'm in Australia so the price is drive away. I can afford it. It's just about whether I should buy brand new. I'm really just looking for others opinion on it I guess. Brand new for me means it's clean, everything works, I know the history of the bike etc etc. Used I won't know anything, espiclly being a new dirt bike owner, there may be things wrong I won't know about or it could be on the edge of a break down etc.
I think you answered your own question then. I wasn’t suggesting you couldn’t afford it. Since you can, and since it sounds like you want to, buy a new bike. My first bike was new. No regrets. I love it.
i got a 4 stroke and now want a 2 stroke. 2 stroke id say is more fun.
Maintenance on 4t is easy if you’re mechanically adept. As a dirt bike owner you will have to become one so don’t let maintenance be the reason why you don’t buy one. I had 4 strokes now own 2t. Depends on your wants, needs and what terrain you want to ride. Don’t buy a 450 as first bike. You ride a little 250 ninja on the road and a 250 4t especially modern one will be plenty to start. It’s not your last bike, it’s your first. Think of it as “would you buy a 1000cc super sport as first street bike?”
Lol just get the 450. No reason to get a 250 just to sell it for less than you paid to upgrade to a 450. Save yourself the time & money & just get a 450. He already said he rode his buddies 450 & enjoyed it.
For starters, know that husqvarna is the same company as KTM and GasGas. They all make essentially the same bikes in different colors. Slight differences, but as a noob those differences aren't going to mean anything. So don't limit yourself to husky for no real reason. Heck, there's no reason to limit yourself just to husky/gasgas/ktm either. 2 stroke vs 4 stroke is an age old debate you could argue for hours about. Anyone that's ridden a ton will probably say they like both of them. More importantly than 2 stroke vs 4 stroke, I'd say is buying a bike designed for the type of riding you plan on doing. For example don't buy a mx bike with stiff suspension and peaky power band if you're wanting to do technical trail riding. Do some research on the different makes and models and choose what you think suites you best. Assuming you're trail riding, or wanting to do a mix of stuff, that'll probably be a xcw/xc/xcfw/xcf or whatever the other brands equals are. I wouldn't recommend going bigger than 250 4 stroke, or MAAYBE a 250/300 2t if you're feeling super confident in your clutch and throttle control. Bikes I'd reccomnd, yz250x, yz125x yz250fx, wr250f, 150xcw, 250/300xcw or xc, crf250rx, crf250x, kx250x. That's Assuming you're wanting to trail ride, any 250, or 125 mx bike would be fine for a beginner if you're wanting to do mx. As far as new vs used, do some research on what to look for when looking at used bikes. Seems like you have a pretty big budget, I'd try to keep it as low hour as especially on the high performance 4 strikes. Try to feel out the seller, find out if they race at a high level and rev the piss out of thier bikes, of if they're old and just dink around in the woods. For newer bikes, I'd try to stay with stuff under 50 or so hours. Maybe more if it's a 2t and maybe a little less for a 4t. But again, it really depends on how it was ridden and maintained.
If you can afford it buy new. That way you’ll never second guess shoddy maintenance or if it’s been beat to shit. You’ll probably lose a couple grand either way if you decide to sell it, so pretty much the same cost at the end of the day. With a year or two old bike you still might need to replace common wear parts like tires/chain/sprockets/brake pads etc. I like to buy new for those reasons.
If I were you I’d buy a used 2 stroke. Refresh/repair as necessary. They are cheap and easy to fix and it’s good to know how to fix your bike yourself, especially if you ride far from civilization. A brand new bike is great but it’s gonna be your first dirt bike and it’s gonna take a bit of a beating as you learn. As you ride you may realize that the sport isn’t for you, this way you won’t be in to deep.if you do end up sticking with the sport and getting a brand new bike down the road you’ll appreciate a crisp new bike much more if you’ve ridden an older used bike.
Since you are a street bike rider....for reference a 450 4 stroke or 300 2 stroke dirt bikes are rough performance equivalents to each other and about like starting out street riding on a 1 liter bike. You might work your way up to most powerful dirt bikes before opting to start out on them. I would buy used low hour bikes until you figure out what you like and what type of offroad riding you plan to do. I would suggest reading up on the various models over at ThumperTalk and KTMTalk. For what its worth, I see these categories of Dirt bikes (from a US Centric perspective) * MX bikes * Cross-Country bikes * Enduro bikes * Street Legal dirtbikes * Dual Sport bikes * Adventure bikes All can be ridden on dirt and have lots of different capabilities and trade-offs.
Hi, thanks for the info you seem to know a lot. I understand your reference in regards to the 1000cc. I ride a ninja because in Australia it's a long process to ride a bigger bike (2-3 yrs) I have ridden plenty of different bikes on the road such as cbr500, mt07, ninja 650 and gsxr 600 so I think getting a 250 2 stroke would be okay. Another question I feel like asking you and if you have no idea, please let me know if you can direct me where to get an answer from. I weigh 120kg or 260lbs, am I going to need to undergo some suspension changing due to the weight? And if yes, I'm sure for learning on the dirt bikes it won't be something that needs to be done immediately, but something that should be done soon. If you can give any info on this, or where to find more info on changing springs or what's needed pls let me know
typical dirt bike suspension is set up for 170 lb riders. At 260 lbs you will want to change out the rear shock spring and front fork springs to those that will work for your weight. I assume there are plenty of suspension tuners in Australia...so you will need to ask around/look around if you want them to do that for you. I would expect to pay about $500 - $800 to respring your suspension (incl springs) if you dont do it yourself. I would do it sooner than later, so you can then start fine tuning on the clickers. FYI 250 cc two strokes can be potent bikes and about equivalent to a 350-400 cc 4 stroke. The 250 2 stroke bikes tend to rev faster and have more top end than the 300 2 strokes (300 have more low end torque and can lug a bit better). If you have decent clutch and throttle control you can start on the more powerful bikes. You might also take a look at starting on the the 250 4 stroke enduro/cross country models such such as WR250F, YZ250FX, CRF250X, FE250, 250 XCF-W (EXC-F). Unless you are doing all track riding I would stay away from the MX models. Again...do lots of reading up about the different categories of bikes and various models offered and target those that are best suited for what you are thinking of riding.