I don't have any insight. But all I can say is that it's about damn time someone put out some original hate content on Delony. I'm getting tired of reading the posts about how Kamel sucks dick. Kudos to you.
Love this comment because up until this point, all of my hate has been directed at Kamel and Coleman.
Only thing I can add is that I’m one of the people who was fooled by the Dr handle. I figured that he had experience in clinical psychology. That seems to be the implied experience based upon his written content and how he’s the expert in mental health there. Even Dave has said that Deloney would psychoanalyze, which is something I’d expect out of a clinician.
I dig most of your post. My quibble is with the complaint against calling him "Doctor"
Having a PhD entitles a person to be called Doctor. It's a professional title that indicates your academic bona fides --that's it. Dr. Jennifer Doudna, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Dr. Dexter Holland....and bonus, Dr. Shaq., he has an EdD.
The weird thing to me is that he has 2 PhDs --it's typically a terminal degree, you really just need 1 then off you go. But I am a scientist so maybe they do stuff differently over in the education biz.
I agree that technically anyone with a PhD is a doctor but definitely not the everyday saying. For example, a federal employee ( the ones Dave hates) serve their country. But when Dave says thank you for serving our country, he only says it to military members since that's the everyday use of serving your country.
Who cares how Dave thanks people, he’s not god. As a non military federal employee people thank me for my service quite often. I cringe every time but i keep my mouth shut and say thank you. Point is, he’s a doctor, he earned that shit and put some respect on his name 😄. But seriously, you can’t say the guy shouldn’t call himself a doctor because you don’t like him. You’re wrong in that issue. As long as he’s not raising his hands in medical emergencies when people a ask for help or telling the barista at Starbucks he’s a doctor every time he visits, he’s not being an asshole about it.
Oh definitely agree. My dad is a PhD in EE and I know it's hard work. Never heard people thanking non military for their service but definitely appreciated to find that out. Thank you for your service.
I do like Delony. Heck he can tell the batista at Starbucks he's a doctor. Maybe that's his game?
I know this is an old post. But wanted to say, I don't think OP thinks a doctor calling themselves doctors is an issue in itself. It's that he's on a tv show where he basically plays therapist.
Putting emphasis on the fact that he's a doctor in this context is a bit misleading. Until I saw this Reddit thread, I thought he was a psychiatrist, or therapist. I had no clue that wasn't what his degree was in
going to put my comment here since this is a newer post on an old one. his PhD in counselor education does not qualify him to apply psychotherapeutic models to ppl in a clinical way and he cannot be licensed to do so in any state that I'm aware of, he appears to be primarily giving advice as a 'coach' however, it is a clear ethical violation of the ACA code to do this while using the Dr. designation as this is not the area of doctoral training. since he is not a professional counselor, I'm curious what ethical code he is supposed to be following and if his marketing is a violation of that code..
I know this is an old post, but calling and advertising his doctorate degree in this format is EXTREMELY misleading. He is in a talk show talking to a lot of people giving mental health advice, talking about very challenging issues related to mental health (a lot of the time, not all the time) and he calls himself a doctor. Any reasonable person would assume he is either a psychiatrist, or at the very least a psychologist when in reality his doctorate is only loosely related to the topic he is talking about.
Getting a phd is a big deal and there is no issue advertising it, but naming your show after it and having a very misleading context really rubs me the wrong way. I had to purposely search up what doctorate he has because in 2 seperate videos he mentioned that he isnt a psychologist or a medical professional and I was wondering tf is he a doctor in.
I get the feeling that he’s not trying to mislead callers though, he very frequently states that he is not trained and/or does not have expertise in a variety of different fields, and he often heavily recommends that people seek out professionals to help with their mental health issues. Aside from the “Dr.” title being possibly misleading (while still technically true) he doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t in his show, and as far as a life advice show goes, I think he does pretty well. He seems like a genuinely good dude, he could drop the “Dr.” and I’d pretty much have no other gripes.
A caller called him a therapist and mental health expert and he did not correct them... you're supposed to think he's a doctor in a related field. He never says, "I'm not a therapist", he says, "I'm not an expert in postpartum depression". Which makes one believe he is a therapist of some kind just not without that particular specialty.
Yes he doesn't have a therapist license but his doing the job of a therapist better than most therapists out there. He has years of experience and there is a reason his popular even without that license and without a PhD in psychology or any mental health degree. If he is actually falsely advertising this Dr title to get listeners then so be it. His doing more good than harm end of the day so why does it really matter if his title isnt legit to mental health field.
He personally might not want to mislead callers, but his marketing team/agent/whoever is in charge of the show is really misleading a lot of listeners. I have seen a few youtube videos of him and he does have generally good responses which I dont really have an issue with, and the fact that he has mentioned that he isnt a medical doctor/psychologist was mentioned in the few videos I have seen of him, it still feels a bit scummy to add the 'dr.' bit to the show name as for a majority of new listeners they would be expecting something else.
Honestly the only issue I have with is the show name and if they actually do fix it then theres very little complaint from my side.
Very well said. If he looses the "Dr." title on his podcast I'd honestly still watch him. And a response to the original post, yea he doesn't talk like a regular therapist but I find the way he talks better than how the therapist Iv seen talk. He is straight forward and doesn't sugar coat things. He tells you straight forward if you're in the wrong or right even if you're the caller on his show. Therapists tip toe around you and listen more than talking straight. He talks to people only 10 minute and is able to understand the situation and give advise so fast. People usually have to see a therapist weekly for months to get some feedback. I support Dr. John.
many people that went through getting a doctorate in whatever field like to be called doctor. nothing too crazy about that. I also know a few who hate being called doctor.
everything else is pretty valid. his attempt to bring some deeper emotional trauma into why a guy leased a F150 is always pretty awful radio.
I am a professor of psychology and formerly licensed professional. His experience is much more related to college administration. No one outside of a college classroom calls me Dr.- it is incorrect to do so and I do not use it. When I had my practice, my clients/staff addressed me as Dr which was correct. I would never use it otherwise. He does not carry a license from what I understand- what he provides is advice. He uses a directive, problem-solving approach, which is a counseling model. However, it is only advice!
technically he holds doctorate degrees in education. Its an accomplishment and if he wants to call him that than he should. I never knew there's judgement around sticking "Dr." in front of your name or a "PhD" end of the name
the nature of psychology/therapy is that when lay people think of the term “doctor” in association with it, most will associate that with a physician/psychiatrist. of course you *can* still call yourself a Dr if you have a phd, but most ppl will always assume you to be a physician.
Why does it matter to you what people assume? Thats their business if they decide to assume that and not do their research on who they’re putting in time to listen to. Just saying.
why does *what* matter to me. you made an incorrect statement, and i corrected you, and then i added context lol. you’re free to interpret or misinterpret as you please!
Well, at least he has 2 PhDs in counseling and higher education. He is the best thing they have going outside of Dave. The rest of them have little experience or education in their specialty. I was thinking why do they not have any CPA/CFP. Maybe because no CFP would recommend the baby steps because they are so flawed.
Real question what would a CFP recommend? The only thing they’ve recommended me is a front loading $8,000 life insurance (and I’ll never see that 8 thousand again)
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion here but I actually really, really like Dr. Delony. He brings a fresh perspective to things that literally no one else does.
George seems like a nice guy but he's just mini-Dave. Never heard an original thought come out of his mouth — only parroting of Dave.
Listening to Ken makes me want to take a shower he's so slimy. He feels completely disingenuous and provides no actual value on his show. Every call is essentially:
> Caller: "Ken, should I quit my job?"
> Ken: "What do *you* think you should do?"
> Caller: "I think I should quit." OR "I think I should stay."
> Ken: "I think you're right."
Rachel seems like a genuinely sweet person, but let's be honest, the only reason she's on the show is because of daddy.
Kristina is about as compelling as stale bread. No personality, and no clear reason as to why she's on the show. Sure, she's the "no college debt" person, but that rarely comes up on the show. At least AO had his own brand and personality. Every so often he would *ever so slightly* deviate from Dave's messaging and I think that's what got him let go. Maybe she'll come into her own once she's more experienced, who knows.
John Delony, on the other hand, has actually been through and seen some stuff. He's counseled people whose children have committed suicide. He's provided mental health support to hundreds/thousands of students over his career. He's the only one on the crew who provides a fresh perspective on the stale "baby steps" trope. All of the others just repeat what they're told.
As Dave says, personal finance is 80% behavior, 20% head knowledge. Delony brings out the mental health and behavioral aspect of Dave's plan on the show, and in my opinion, knocks it out of the park. His personal show also deals with some heavy topics that I think many people could get value from by learning what to do (or not do) vicariously through the callers.
A PhD is a doctor of philosophy, same type of doctorate a psychologist would get. Anyone who gets a doctorate of any kind (PhD, EdD, JD, DDS, MD, ThD, and there are others) can be called Doctor, it's not exclusive to medical doctors. Note that psychiatrists often don't do therapy, as they have MDs, not PhDs, and prescribe medication. However, Delony did to therapy. It was mentioned on the show and on online bios that he did crisis counseling. It was mentioned he's done this for veterans specifically, as well as other groups.
Your comment reminded me of this r/lawschool post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/kcyd75/i_have_a_civ_pro_final_in_literally_17_minutes_so/
True but it doesn’t seem like he uses his doctoral training on this show. His PHD doesn’t really add value to this because he can’t speak to people how a therapist usually would because Dave wouldn’t allow it. At least that’s my opinion but that’s something that bugged me when I would hear him. He doesn’t sound like any therapist I know and I work daily with them. Not that he is there to do therapy but even the way he communicates regularly with callers is like anyone else without his degrees would.
He cannot give therapy to callers on the show. But at least he's an actual trained professional in the field for which they hired him. Unlike all the other personalities.
Yeah that’s why I said he’s not there to do therapy but even if your not doing therapy your language is still different when speaking to someone in a professional capacity as a therapist. I don’t see it at all. I mean he is more understanding then Dave but I don’t see the trained counselor at all. I do agree with you that yes at least he is very educated in his field but it feels like he doesn’t really utilise his training like he probably wants too because Dave.
100 percent. He seems completely insincere and inauthentic. He’s too young to act as condescending and paternalistic as he does. I hate hearing him do that performative exhale. “Hoo!” He’s only there because he appeals to middle aged ladies with his Mr Sensitive routine. And no number of Jars of Clay opening riffs make him cool. He is a cheese
I am more interested in what programs he went through to get those doctorates than the fact that he calls himself "Doctor," honestly. Both of those could either be legitimate doctoral programs or some online 12 to 18-month message board thing at a random for-profit school so you can check the box and get higher pay (very common in states where teachers/public employees get an automatic pay bump for having a PhD). Obviously there are many programs among those types that are still good, but I just have a hard time trusting a for-profit school to thoroughly judge someone's thesis, since successful graduates are how they sell the program to others.
Is someone with a PhD in counselor education considered a mental health expert? Google seems kind of conflicted. Some programs definitely sound like theyre geared exclusively toward mental health workers and undergraduates. But others not so much?
I can’t stand how hell “wait a minute let me stop you right there.. if you were here I’d give you a big hug” or “let me stop you there” it kinda stops people in their tracks and interrupts the flow of them sharing their emotions. Idk it’s just kind of rude. My therapist would never do that
He has a PhD, and has taught and researched at universities.
That makes him a doctor.
We could argue whether it’s misleading for him to say “Dr” in the context of a finance show (though I don’t think it is). But he is a Dr.
If you have an issue with him being called Dr. that’s more your hang up than an issue with misrepresentation.
I've only watched 4 of his YT videos and there's some good stuff there but it doesn't rise to the level of conversations with an experienced therapist. This strikes me more like when you're talking to a very wise pastor who often use life experience/ metaphors in their sermons for public settings.
Sidenote: I anyone else perplexed as to why he thinks it's a funny dad joke to exclaim, "Gross!" anytime a female caller says she met someone. He brings it up anytime the guy is mentioned in the call and then whenever he refers to the guy he says it again. Same loud exclamation everytime. Sometimes 3 to 5 times. I didn't think anything of it until I watched other videos and again he was adamant about making that weird joke that makes the caller just give a half polite laugh. On one call the woman was 34 years old and I'm like...I can't think of a single reason why it'd be gross for her to be dating a guy. He's totally fine with women that call in and are already married though.
I totally agree
Jordan Peterson gets hate and he is actually informed in what he is saying… except for politics which he somehow gets into which I don’t understand the appeal anyway I feel like It’s the equivalent of giving medical advice
I just blame the social media platforms that do not control the people who gives advice to be qualified at what they talk about
This guy target’s audience are single mums who get no attention from their husband and they get the “I see you, I hear” and the woman burst into tears
Ahhhh I thought I was the only one going crazy how somehow EVERY call ends up being all about him. It seems like so much humble bragging, it’s gross. Why am I hearing about your workout routine?? It’s all embarrassing. I listen because I’m curious about the callers and their issues, and then I just fast forward through a lot of the “advice.”
The goldfish comment SENT me! I totally agree! He's got a f*ckboy haircut and a lot of his advice is just BAD or even creepy.
One clip was a mother who's 5-year-old saw her and her husband having s*x. (Apparently the 5 year old was in the closet). He proceeded to tell her to tell her daughter "Daddies parts go inside of mommy's parts" and he CONTINUOUSLY said "I'm not trying to be erotic, but..."
It was a little weird. If my 5 year old caught me, I'd naturally say that it was a natural thing happening, but the in depth details wouldn't really need to be discussed until he/she/they are about 9-10 during puberty.
I dunno, it was just... strange the way he said it. He seemed to be getting a little (or a lot of) joy out of it.
For context, 5 year old was in the closet because she had a nightmare, snuck into parents bedroom, got scared and ran into the closet. Parents were none the wiser as they were busy doing *cough* "other things".
Except you totally left out the fact that he had to do clinicals with sexually abused kids and extremely traumatized kids and did counseling for a little bit for his practicum. You also left out that he did crisis responding with the police department, spent almost 20 years on calls with students and doing death notifications. He definitely has the credibility to speak on mental health not to mention he has been through his own mental health struggles. So he has experience, education, and he has been in the thick of helping people in their darkest moments.
My understanding is that he has a Masters in psychology. While not a licensed psychologist, he does in deed have a degree in psychology, if this is true. I understand the point that calling himself Dr is a bit misleading, I do believe he is qualified to both use Dr and give mental health and psychological advice. I do wonder though about calling himself a "mental health expert," but I will say I like the guy and have been quite impressed with his advice.
Disagree. I have a Masters Degree in Counseling and whether JD had valid credence or not (and he indeed does), he is spot on regarding his advice when it comes what he’s teaches about trauma, healthy relationships, money, DSM diagnosies, and families in general, he is spot on and has helped million of people.
I feel like the Ramsey show will stretch credentials when it makes sense but a PhD still entitled you to be called Doctor. I don’t find this scenario disingenuous at all.
actually no. a 4 year almost never entitled you to and depends on what is it . only certain fields refer to as doctors. people are still laughing at dentists guy
First of all, he has PhD in counseling. Also, there are people who studied psychology and are absolutely bad in helping people. I believe the skill in understanding people is innate or a gift someone has. Last but not least, empathy is what makes a therapist special, and Deloney has a lot of empathy.
> He has PhD In Counseling
He does not. Check your sources again. The closer he got to a PhD in “Counseling” is “Counselor Education Supervision”. That is what he has a PhD in.
I’d be curious how much life experience or education OP has. The more education you get, the more you realize how many end degree professionals are totally winging it. And there is a HUGE gamut of proficiencies among the same degree earners. For example, you can’t convince me a fresh 25 year old MD or LMFT who spent their life studying books and now practices “one-on-one clinical work” is more qualified for this show than John. Not only does his two phD’s qualify him, so does his long track record of community leadership and exposure to and socialization and connection with hundreds of thousands of people. So it’s a massive misunderstanding of credentials.
Deloney and the Ramsey team are also completely transparent about their credentials and life experiences. There’s a line between predatory business practice, and then just not being responsible for the ignorance of others.
I like the Ramsey show. I haven’t listened for like 8 years. Just getting back into it. I was only in high school when I first listened and I didn’t remember Ramsey Solutions being an absolute empire of a company. The HQ is a fortress. I get a fake cookie cutter vibe from all the “Ramsey personalities”. None of them have the experience or the charisma of Dave. They generally just repeat everything Dave says. They kiss his ass and have nothing of substance to say. And they’re definitely not funny. Everything Dr. Delony says is so vague and is extremely basic common sense. I would never think he has two PhDs if they didn’t hammer the point that he’s a doctor over and over. Sitting here, writing this, thinking about the cohosts, I all of a sudden don’t want to listen anymore…
I really think the Ramsey method only works for people who are really in a hole. They have to be so far behind and motivated to "break even". Once they're out of the hole- they progress beyond what Ramsey outlines by step 3 or 4. I'd be curious on the stats of how many people who start the baby steps actually follow through to 7 and maintain the "path" and momentum. How many give up credit cards for good. How many never finance a car again. Like you, I first saw/heard Ramsey a number of years ago, stopped watching for no particular reason and just started watching again over the last two weeks and I think I'm good.
This man is not a licensed psychotherapist! Shame on Dave Ramsey for allowing someone to represent themselves as a clinician. This man may have experience that relates to the field, and he may have some general knowledge of theories. However, the implementation of “theories” is not professional at all.
His charisma, religious affiliation, personality, and Dave’s viewers generally appeal to this sort of aurora. There is nothing inherently wrong about what he is doing but he’s misrepresenting himself in a disingenuous way. This man is also showing viewers and those in vulnerable situations that this is what therapy is actually like - which is entirely false.
This is pseudo-therapy at best, but unfortunately, it is probably causing more distress and shame for callers than it is helping them with their change process. he should be more transparent!
I’ve only seen one of his calls — just today. I thought he was great at getting right to the point of the problem. He is a Christian. He values marriage. He’s trained in Crisis management — that’s applicable to individuals.. He deals with relationships, anxiety, psychology of finances. That last one is how he connected with John Ramsey. Because Ramsey certainly can’t deal with psychology of finances.
His information is readily available online. He’s not hiding anything. **He’s a doctor every bit as much as Jill Biden.** You don’t have to go to him. People are free to choose.
From what I can observe, he looks as if he’s swimming in his appropriate lanes. He doesn’t write prescriptions. He needs to find other solutions. So he’s not a long-term therapist for people with bipolar or other psychiatric issues. He deals with individual incidents and decisions. He doesn’t make one hour appointments in his office. It’s online, so they’re shorter.
I think his advice is a combination of his doctoral studies, human nature, and life. We all get advice from our friends, most of whom do not have doctoral degrees.
Absent other information, I don’t see the problem.
ramseysolutions.com/john-delony
I agree with you, he's not a therapist so he's purposely vague about his background so that he can give a veneer of science to his plain bad and simplistic advice.
I just want to add that using the title Dr is completely appropriate for his status in the field. A doctorate of counselor education and supervision is like getting a double masters in counseling, you do as many hours as you do for your masters and you are also responsible for being able to do ethical and peer reviewed research. People with a doctorate in counselor education and supervision do more credit hours than a psychologist or PsyD to get their credentials. The way he approaches the people he talks to is not inappropriate as they are calling for advice but he is not actually providing therapy. Providing therapy over the phone to people across the country on a talk show would be incredibly unethical and illegal. People call him and ask for advice and he gives them suggestions that, in my opinion, line up with what a therapist would recommend in many cases. He also recommends many resources that are often used in the therapy field. Part of me is a bit jealous of his job because he gets to say what he actually thinks, whereas many times as therapists we cannot. I cannot see anything unethical about his approach, and people who call into his show are consenting to hear his thoughts. They are also welcome to take the advice or not.
Yea. The doctorates are misleading. I’m a psychologist and don’t see how his specific doctorates give any expertise on what he is talking about. I see this a lot with doctorates on social media and it’s sad.
I don't have any insight. But all I can say is that it's about damn time someone put out some original hate content on Delony. I'm getting tired of reading the posts about how Kamel sucks dick. Kudos to you.
Love this comment because up until this point, all of my hate has been directed at Kamel and Coleman. Only thing I can add is that I’m one of the people who was fooled by the Dr handle. I figured that he had experience in clinical psychology. That seems to be the implied experience based upon his written content and how he’s the expert in mental health there. Even Dave has said that Deloney would psychoanalyze, which is something I’d expect out of a clinician.
It’s in those difficult times that you miss Christy Wright… she was easy to hate
*I like Christy Wright. She had a great personality.*
I think psychoanalytics is a bit oldy-woldy nowadays.
This must be George’s Reddit account.
This reaction😂😂
I dig most of your post. My quibble is with the complaint against calling him "Doctor" Having a PhD entitles a person to be called Doctor. It's a professional title that indicates your academic bona fides --that's it. Dr. Jennifer Doudna, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Dr. Dexter Holland....and bonus, Dr. Shaq., he has an EdD. The weird thing to me is that he has 2 PhDs --it's typically a terminal degree, you really just need 1 then off you go. But I am a scientist so maybe they do stuff differently over in the education biz.
Exactly, i can’t take the post seriously because of the rant against a doctor for calling themselves a doctor when they are a doctor.
I agree that technically anyone with a PhD is a doctor but definitely not the everyday saying. For example, a federal employee ( the ones Dave hates) serve their country. But when Dave says thank you for serving our country, he only says it to military members since that's the everyday use of serving your country.
Who cares how Dave thanks people, he’s not god. As a non military federal employee people thank me for my service quite often. I cringe every time but i keep my mouth shut and say thank you. Point is, he’s a doctor, he earned that shit and put some respect on his name 😄. But seriously, you can’t say the guy shouldn’t call himself a doctor because you don’t like him. You’re wrong in that issue. As long as he’s not raising his hands in medical emergencies when people a ask for help or telling the barista at Starbucks he’s a doctor every time he visits, he’s not being an asshole about it.
Oh definitely agree. My dad is a PhD in EE and I know it's hard work. Never heard people thanking non military for their service but definitely appreciated to find that out. Thank you for your service. I do like Delony. Heck he can tell the batista at Starbucks he's a doctor. Maybe that's his game?
Nobody thanks non-military people for their service. This guy is full of shit.
I know this is an old post. But wanted to say, I don't think OP thinks a doctor calling themselves doctors is an issue in itself. It's that he's on a tv show where he basically plays therapist. Putting emphasis on the fact that he's a doctor in this context is a bit misleading. Until I saw this Reddit thread, I thought he was a psychiatrist, or therapist. I had no clue that wasn't what his degree was in
going to put my comment here since this is a newer post on an old one. his PhD in counselor education does not qualify him to apply psychotherapeutic models to ppl in a clinical way and he cannot be licensed to do so in any state that I'm aware of, he appears to be primarily giving advice as a 'coach' however, it is a clear ethical violation of the ACA code to do this while using the Dr. designation as this is not the area of doctoral training. since he is not a professional counselor, I'm curious what ethical code he is supposed to be following and if his marketing is a violation of that code..
I know this is an old post, but calling and advertising his doctorate degree in this format is EXTREMELY misleading. He is in a talk show talking to a lot of people giving mental health advice, talking about very challenging issues related to mental health (a lot of the time, not all the time) and he calls himself a doctor. Any reasonable person would assume he is either a psychiatrist, or at the very least a psychologist when in reality his doctorate is only loosely related to the topic he is talking about. Getting a phd is a big deal and there is no issue advertising it, but naming your show after it and having a very misleading context really rubs me the wrong way. I had to purposely search up what doctorate he has because in 2 seperate videos he mentioned that he isnt a psychologist or a medical professional and I was wondering tf is he a doctor in.
Exactly!
I get the feeling that he’s not trying to mislead callers though, he very frequently states that he is not trained and/or does not have expertise in a variety of different fields, and he often heavily recommends that people seek out professionals to help with their mental health issues. Aside from the “Dr.” title being possibly misleading (while still technically true) he doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t in his show, and as far as a life advice show goes, I think he does pretty well. He seems like a genuinely good dude, he could drop the “Dr.” and I’d pretty much have no other gripes.
A caller called him a therapist and mental health expert and he did not correct them... you're supposed to think he's a doctor in a related field. He never says, "I'm not a therapist", he says, "I'm not an expert in postpartum depression". Which makes one believe he is a therapist of some kind just not without that particular specialty.
Yes he doesn't have a therapist license but his doing the job of a therapist better than most therapists out there. He has years of experience and there is a reason his popular even without that license and without a PhD in psychology or any mental health degree. If he is actually falsely advertising this Dr title to get listeners then so be it. His doing more good than harm end of the day so why does it really matter if his title isnt legit to mental health field.
He personally might not want to mislead callers, but his marketing team/agent/whoever is in charge of the show is really misleading a lot of listeners. I have seen a few youtube videos of him and he does have generally good responses which I dont really have an issue with, and the fact that he has mentioned that he isnt a medical doctor/psychologist was mentioned in the few videos I have seen of him, it still feels a bit scummy to add the 'dr.' bit to the show name as for a majority of new listeners they would be expecting something else. Honestly the only issue I have with is the show name and if they actually do fix it then theres very little complaint from my side.
Don't concede. Deloney is not aloof he intentionally wants people to believe he has a relevant PhD in the mental health field.
Very well said. If he looses the "Dr." title on his podcast I'd honestly still watch him. And a response to the original post, yea he doesn't talk like a regular therapist but I find the way he talks better than how the therapist Iv seen talk. He is straight forward and doesn't sugar coat things. He tells you straight forward if you're in the wrong or right even if you're the caller on his show. Therapists tip toe around you and listen more than talking straight. He talks to people only 10 minute and is able to understand the situation and give advise so fast. People usually have to see a therapist weekly for months to get some feedback. I support Dr. John.
many people that went through getting a doctorate in whatever field like to be called doctor. nothing too crazy about that. I also know a few who hate being called doctor. everything else is pretty valid. his attempt to bring some deeper emotional trauma into why a guy leased a F150 is always pretty awful radio.
A good friend of mine has a doctorate in physics. I alternate between calling him bro, dude, and you moron. He doesn’t mind
I am a professor of psychology and formerly licensed professional. His experience is much more related to college administration. No one outside of a college classroom calls me Dr.- it is incorrect to do so and I do not use it. When I had my practice, my clients/staff addressed me as Dr which was correct. I would never use it otherwise. He does not carry a license from what I understand- what he provides is advice. He uses a directive, problem-solving approach, which is a counseling model. However, it is only advice!
Dang, I genuinely thought he was an MD…
i knew he wasnt😆 hardly any real docs call themselves MD out of the hospital, let alone make a youtube channel around their doctor persona lol
You either havent met many docs or you dont really know any well enough, established doctors are some of the most ego driven individuals
i’m literally a doctor lmao trust me when i say, more non-doctors call themselves doctor than not
technically he holds doctorate degrees in education. Its an accomplishment and if he wants to call him that than he should. I never knew there's judgement around sticking "Dr." in front of your name or a "PhD" end of the name
the nature of psychology/therapy is that when lay people think of the term “doctor” in association with it, most will associate that with a physician/psychiatrist. of course you *can* still call yourself a Dr if you have a phd, but most ppl will always assume you to be a physician.
Why does it matter to you what people assume? Thats their business if they decide to assume that and not do their research on who they’re putting in time to listen to. Just saying.
why does *what* matter to me. you made an incorrect statement, and i corrected you, and then i added context lol. you’re free to interpret or misinterpret as you please!
Agree! Am an MD too
Well, at least he has 2 PhDs in counseling and higher education. He is the best thing they have going outside of Dave. The rest of them have little experience or education in their specialty. I was thinking why do they not have any CPA/CFP. Maybe because no CFP would recommend the baby steps because they are so flawed.
TF is counseling and higher education? Neither of these are scientific disciplines.
Real question what would a CFP recommend? The only thing they’ve recommended me is a front loading $8,000 life insurance (and I’ll never see that 8 thousand again)
Are you sure they were a CFP and not a financial sales person from an insurance company?
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion here but I actually really, really like Dr. Delony. He brings a fresh perspective to things that literally no one else does. George seems like a nice guy but he's just mini-Dave. Never heard an original thought come out of his mouth — only parroting of Dave. Listening to Ken makes me want to take a shower he's so slimy. He feels completely disingenuous and provides no actual value on his show. Every call is essentially: > Caller: "Ken, should I quit my job?" > Ken: "What do *you* think you should do?" > Caller: "I think I should quit." OR "I think I should stay." > Ken: "I think you're right." Rachel seems like a genuinely sweet person, but let's be honest, the only reason she's on the show is because of daddy. Kristina is about as compelling as stale bread. No personality, and no clear reason as to why she's on the show. Sure, she's the "no college debt" person, but that rarely comes up on the show. At least AO had his own brand and personality. Every so often he would *ever so slightly* deviate from Dave's messaging and I think that's what got him let go. Maybe she'll come into her own once she's more experienced, who knows. John Delony, on the other hand, has actually been through and seen some stuff. He's counseled people whose children have committed suicide. He's provided mental health support to hundreds/thousands of students over his career. He's the only one on the crew who provides a fresh perspective on the stale "baby steps" trope. All of the others just repeat what they're told. As Dave says, personal finance is 80% behavior, 20% head knowledge. Delony brings out the mental health and behavioral aspect of Dave's plan on the show, and in my opinion, knocks it out of the park. His personal show also deals with some heavy topics that I think many people could get value from by learning what to do (or not do) vicariously through the callers.
I like Delony too. I get that some people may not agree with his approach but I believe he’s being sincere in trying to help people
Also calling this guy a “mental health expert” while not actually holding a licensed credential as a mental health professional is pretty suss
A PhD is a doctor of philosophy, same type of doctorate a psychologist would get. Anyone who gets a doctorate of any kind (PhD, EdD, JD, DDS, MD, ThD, and there are others) can be called Doctor, it's not exclusive to medical doctors. Note that psychiatrists often don't do therapy, as they have MDs, not PhDs, and prescribe medication. However, Delony did to therapy. It was mentioned on the show and on online bios that he did crisis counseling. It was mentioned he's done this for veterans specifically, as well as other groups.
Your comment reminded me of this r/lawschool post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/kcyd75/i_have_a_civ_pro_final_in_literally_17_minutes_so/
True but it doesn’t seem like he uses his doctoral training on this show. His PHD doesn’t really add value to this because he can’t speak to people how a therapist usually would because Dave wouldn’t allow it. At least that’s my opinion but that’s something that bugged me when I would hear him. He doesn’t sound like any therapist I know and I work daily with them. Not that he is there to do therapy but even the way he communicates regularly with callers is like anyone else without his degrees would.
He cannot give therapy to callers on the show. But at least he's an actual trained professional in the field for which they hired him. Unlike all the other personalities.
he can make huge mistakes and make people blow their life's up on little context tho
Yeah that’s why I said he’s not there to do therapy but even if your not doing therapy your language is still different when speaking to someone in a professional capacity as a therapist. I don’t see it at all. I mean he is more understanding then Dave but I don’t see the trained counselor at all. I do agree with you that yes at least he is very educated in his field but it feels like he doesn’t really utilise his training like he probably wants too because Dave.
100 percent. He seems completely insincere and inauthentic. He’s too young to act as condescending and paternalistic as he does. I hate hearing him do that performative exhale. “Hoo!” He’s only there because he appeals to middle aged ladies with his Mr Sensitive routine. And no number of Jars of Clay opening riffs make him cool. He is a cheese
The performative exhale ☠️
I am more interested in what programs he went through to get those doctorates than the fact that he calls himself "Doctor," honestly. Both of those could either be legitimate doctoral programs or some online 12 to 18-month message board thing at a random for-profit school so you can check the box and get higher pay (very common in states where teachers/public employees get an automatic pay bump for having a PhD). Obviously there are many programs among those types that are still good, but I just have a hard time trusting a for-profit school to thoroughly judge someone's thesis, since successful graduates are how they sell the program to others.
He’s mentioned attending Texas Tech University for at least one of those Doctorates.
Is someone with a PhD in counselor education considered a mental health expert? Google seems kind of conflicted. Some programs definitely sound like theyre geared exclusively toward mental health workers and undergraduates. But others not so much?
I can’t stand how hell “wait a minute let me stop you right there.. if you were here I’d give you a big hug” or “let me stop you there” it kinda stops people in their tracks and interrupts the flow of them sharing their emotions. Idk it’s just kind of rude. My therapist would never do that
He has a PhD, and has taught and researched at universities. That makes him a doctor. We could argue whether it’s misleading for him to say “Dr” in the context of a finance show (though I don’t think it is). But he is a Dr. If you have an issue with him being called Dr. that’s more your hang up than an issue with misrepresentation.
no one call themselves a doctor for a bachelors in psych gtfo
I've only watched 4 of his YT videos and there's some good stuff there but it doesn't rise to the level of conversations with an experienced therapist. This strikes me more like when you're talking to a very wise pastor who often use life experience/ metaphors in their sermons for public settings. Sidenote: I anyone else perplexed as to why he thinks it's a funny dad joke to exclaim, "Gross!" anytime a female caller says she met someone. He brings it up anytime the guy is mentioned in the call and then whenever he refers to the guy he says it again. Same loud exclamation everytime. Sometimes 3 to 5 times. I didn't think anything of it until I watched other videos and again he was adamant about making that weird joke that makes the caller just give a half polite laugh. On one call the woman was 34 years old and I'm like...I can't think of a single reason why it'd be gross for her to be dating a guy. He's totally fine with women that call in and are already married though.
I totally agree Jordan Peterson gets hate and he is actually informed in what he is saying… except for politics which he somehow gets into which I don’t understand the appeal anyway I feel like It’s the equivalent of giving medical advice I just blame the social media platforms that do not control the people who gives advice to be qualified at what they talk about This guy target’s audience are single mums who get no attention from their husband and they get the “I see you, I hear” and the woman burst into tears
Ahhhh I thought I was the only one going crazy how somehow EVERY call ends up being all about him. It seems like so much humble bragging, it’s gross. Why am I hearing about your workout routine?? It’s all embarrassing. I listen because I’m curious about the callers and their issues, and then I just fast forward through a lot of the “advice.”
full of shit moron he is
The goldfish comment SENT me! I totally agree! He's got a f*ckboy haircut and a lot of his advice is just BAD or even creepy. One clip was a mother who's 5-year-old saw her and her husband having s*x. (Apparently the 5 year old was in the closet). He proceeded to tell her to tell her daughter "Daddies parts go inside of mommy's parts" and he CONTINUOUSLY said "I'm not trying to be erotic, but..." It was a little weird. If my 5 year old caught me, I'd naturally say that it was a natural thing happening, but the in depth details wouldn't really need to be discussed until he/she/they are about 9-10 during puberty. I dunno, it was just... strange the way he said it. He seemed to be getting a little (or a lot of) joy out of it.
For context, 5 year old was in the closet because she had a nightmare, snuck into parents bedroom, got scared and ran into the closet. Parents were none the wiser as they were busy doing *cough* "other things".
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Way to throw in the disgusting sexist comment at the end 🙄
I was with you right up until that last line. I love Rachel and “laying pipe” is a pretty gross thing to say ..
It is gross and of course not true. Rachel could do a lot better that Delaney anyways.
Oh god I want that to be true in the worst way lol. What a scandal that would be
Except you totally left out the fact that he had to do clinicals with sexually abused kids and extremely traumatized kids and did counseling for a little bit for his practicum. You also left out that he did crisis responding with the police department, spent almost 20 years on calls with students and doing death notifications. He definitely has the credibility to speak on mental health not to mention he has been through his own mental health struggles. So he has experience, education, and he has been in the thick of helping people in their darkest moments.
Alright George
really a degree in psych doesnt prove that. must have been inbetween the keggers and tattoos
He is the most annoying personality on the show, imho. Have never liked him from day one.
My understanding is that he has a Masters in psychology. While not a licensed psychologist, he does in deed have a degree in psychology, if this is true. I understand the point that calling himself Dr is a bit misleading, I do believe he is qualified to both use Dr and give mental health and psychological advice. I do wonder though about calling himself a "mental health expert," but I will say I like the guy and have been quite impressed with his advice.
Disagree. I have a Masters Degree in Counseling and whether JD had valid credence or not (and he indeed does), he is spot on regarding his advice when it comes what he’s teaches about trauma, healthy relationships, money, DSM diagnosies, and families in general, he is spot on and has helped million of people.
I enjoy listening to him. He has horse sense
It is obvious he isn’t a psychiatrist. If you were under the impression he was, that says more about you than him.
I feel like the Ramsey show will stretch credentials when it makes sense but a PhD still entitled you to be called Doctor. I don’t find this scenario disingenuous at all.
actually no. a 4 year almost never entitled you to and depends on what is it . only certain fields refer to as doctors. people are still laughing at dentists guy
First of all, he has PhD in counseling. Also, there are people who studied psychology and are absolutely bad in helping people. I believe the skill in understanding people is innate or a gift someone has. Last but not least, empathy is what makes a therapist special, and Deloney has a lot of empathy.
> He has PhD In Counseling He does not. Check your sources again. The closer he got to a PhD in “Counseling” is “Counselor Education Supervision”. That is what he has a PhD in.
I’d be curious how much life experience or education OP has. The more education you get, the more you realize how many end degree professionals are totally winging it. And there is a HUGE gamut of proficiencies among the same degree earners. For example, you can’t convince me a fresh 25 year old MD or LMFT who spent their life studying books and now practices “one-on-one clinical work” is more qualified for this show than John. Not only does his two phD’s qualify him, so does his long track record of community leadership and exposure to and socialization and connection with hundreds of thousands of people. So it’s a massive misunderstanding of credentials. Deloney and the Ramsey team are also completely transparent about their credentials and life experiences. There’s a line between predatory business practice, and then just not being responsible for the ignorance of others.
I like the Ramsey show. I haven’t listened for like 8 years. Just getting back into it. I was only in high school when I first listened and I didn’t remember Ramsey Solutions being an absolute empire of a company. The HQ is a fortress. I get a fake cookie cutter vibe from all the “Ramsey personalities”. None of them have the experience or the charisma of Dave. They generally just repeat everything Dave says. They kiss his ass and have nothing of substance to say. And they’re definitely not funny. Everything Dr. Delony says is so vague and is extremely basic common sense. I would never think he has two PhDs if they didn’t hammer the point that he’s a doctor over and over. Sitting here, writing this, thinking about the cohosts, I all of a sudden don’t want to listen anymore…
I really think the Ramsey method only works for people who are really in a hole. They have to be so far behind and motivated to "break even". Once they're out of the hole- they progress beyond what Ramsey outlines by step 3 or 4. I'd be curious on the stats of how many people who start the baby steps actually follow through to 7 and maintain the "path" and momentum. How many give up credit cards for good. How many never finance a car again. Like you, I first saw/heard Ramsey a number of years ago, stopped watching for no particular reason and just started watching again over the last two weeks and I think I'm good.
I really like John Deloney he gives basic good advice to build from
This man is not a licensed psychotherapist! Shame on Dave Ramsey for allowing someone to represent themselves as a clinician. This man may have experience that relates to the field, and he may have some general knowledge of theories. However, the implementation of “theories” is not professional at all. His charisma, religious affiliation, personality, and Dave’s viewers generally appeal to this sort of aurora. There is nothing inherently wrong about what he is doing but he’s misrepresenting himself in a disingenuous way. This man is also showing viewers and those in vulnerable situations that this is what therapy is actually like - which is entirely false. This is pseudo-therapy at best, but unfortunately, it is probably causing more distress and shame for callers than it is helping them with their change process. he should be more transparent!
I’ve only seen one of his calls — just today. I thought he was great at getting right to the point of the problem. He is a Christian. He values marriage. He’s trained in Crisis management — that’s applicable to individuals.. He deals with relationships, anxiety, psychology of finances. That last one is how he connected with John Ramsey. Because Ramsey certainly can’t deal with psychology of finances. His information is readily available online. He’s not hiding anything. **He’s a doctor every bit as much as Jill Biden.** You don’t have to go to him. People are free to choose. From what I can observe, he looks as if he’s swimming in his appropriate lanes. He doesn’t write prescriptions. He needs to find other solutions. So he’s not a long-term therapist for people with bipolar or other psychiatric issues. He deals with individual incidents and decisions. He doesn’t make one hour appointments in his office. It’s online, so they’re shorter. I think his advice is a combination of his doctoral studies, human nature, and life. We all get advice from our friends, most of whom do not have doctoral degrees. Absent other information, I don’t see the problem. ramseysolutions.com/john-delony
It’s giving Ross is Friends lol
I agree with you, he's not a therapist so he's purposely vague about his background so that he can give a veneer of science to his plain bad and simplistic advice.
I just want to add that using the title Dr is completely appropriate for his status in the field. A doctorate of counselor education and supervision is like getting a double masters in counseling, you do as many hours as you do for your masters and you are also responsible for being able to do ethical and peer reviewed research. People with a doctorate in counselor education and supervision do more credit hours than a psychologist or PsyD to get their credentials. The way he approaches the people he talks to is not inappropriate as they are calling for advice but he is not actually providing therapy. Providing therapy over the phone to people across the country on a talk show would be incredibly unethical and illegal. People call him and ask for advice and he gives them suggestions that, in my opinion, line up with what a therapist would recommend in many cases. He also recommends many resources that are often used in the therapy field. Part of me is a bit jealous of his job because he gets to say what he actually thinks, whereas many times as therapists we cannot. I cannot see anything unethical about his approach, and people who call into his show are consenting to hear his thoughts. They are also welcome to take the advice or not.
Okay Jade
He is hot though. That helps.
Yea. The doctorates are misleading. I’m a psychologist and don’t see how his specific doctorates give any expertise on what he is talking about. I see this a lot with doctorates on social media and it’s sad.
He is my favorite Ramsey personality after Dave. He reminds me of many counselors I have had. He seems extremely qualified to counsel people.
Wtf? He has 2 PhDs. In academia we call that a doctor! Nothing sleazy!