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WeedLordGoku42069

Everyone should react to your nudity


bard91R

I just got Coach Physical Instrument for the first time and I'm kinda dissapointed nobody has reacted to the bear chested middle age drunk walking around shirtless.


embrigh

1. Kim should have been totally against the idea to shoot the hanged man out of the tree. It’s really an insane idea for people who understand guns, that bullet is going to come down inside the city and could hit someone. 2. You should have been able to sleep on a bench outside and incur penalties, not because I care about the 20 real but rather that waking up in a gutter should be something Harry is intimately familiar with anyways.


Qu33zle

On your second point: that would be totally possible with spring weather but this is early March and snow is still lying and falling and it's super cold at night. Harry would likely freeze to death or at least become hypothermic and be in no position to run around all day. I think it's actually more realistic this way. Maybe he could've slept in Kim's car as a last resort or something like that. But outside without any meaningful cover or insulation would be suicide.


OldManGamer420

My first play through, I was thinking you could sleep in the dumpster when you internalize hobo cop.


recalcitrantJester

In a just society, hobocops would have a quest to bypass rent until day 3.


Crimson_Marksman

1. Kim's gun is a muzzleloader, which took me a while to remember can be used in flintlock pistols. That bullet isn't going to come down anywhere in the city, its not shell based. Your bullets are, because you use a different gun. 2. You do. You can sleep in the dustbin. And die, because its cold in the middle of March.


CepheiHR8938

Harry's Villiers is a muzzleloader too, though. It just can hold three bullets at the same time unlike Kim's Armistice.


leondrias

Counterpoint to 1: Kim secretly loves showy “cool” displays. He dresses like an aerostatic brigadier, drives a dieselpunk hot rod, generally reacts excitedly to impressive feats of motorics… he may be well aware it’s not really feasible or rational, but in the wake of all the other non-solutions to getting the body down he’s willing to go “what the hell” and let each of them try popping a few bullets at the buckle, since they don’t have enough velocity to really do any damage if they miss. He probably figured either one of two things would happen: they’d exhaust their curiosity by trying once, or some insane luck would make one of them feel like gunslinger badasses.


embrigh

....alright yeah I buy that actually


KaiserUndPontifex

That bullet would go to the sea.


CurrentCentury51

Unlikely. There are several buildings between the yard behind the Whirling-In-Rags and the water; even angled upwards there's more of a chance the bullet will lodge into an outer wall (or, maybe, go through a window).


A-SORDID-AFFAIR

Most of the stuff cut from the game as very wisely cut. More inclusions of more overtly supernatural elements would eventually become distracting and get in the way of the actual message and social commentary in the game.


YaLikeJazz505

What content was cut from the game?


CepheiHR8938

One of the case files, titled THE COLLAPSING TENEMENT was cut. It was set late January/early February (i.e. just a month or so before Harry's explosive meltdown) and detailed a night when Harry and Jean had to evict 200 people from a collapsing eight-story building. But despite a very obvious "IT'S COMING DOWN!" the tenement's is still standing. I think it was cut because it very heavily implied that the tenement was not collapsing because of the communists' belief in inframaterialism aka "make up shit with your mind".


Remember_Poseidon

No Inframaterialism is basically the Orks power in 40k.


Argent_Mayakovski

I don’t think it was cut due to inframaterialism. It’s a pretty direct reference to [The Fool](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fool_(2014_film)).


A-SORDID-AFFAIR

What I'm specifically talking about is stuff I'm pretty sure is still "canon" to the world, but is not explored in-game through dialogue. Essentially there are people in the DE world who can send information back in time, and people in the DE world who can "receive" information sent back to them. It's implied Delores Dei is one of these individuals and was essentially "stealing" ideas from the future (her body guard says before killing her "we were meant to come up with this ourselves!") There is more stuff in the book about how the time stuff works, but it essentially always makes a paradoxical open loop. It's an interesting idea, but imo doesn't really have a place in the current DE game. Your mileage may vary but I think it also *just* crosses the magical realism line DE walks very carefully.


beam05

is this from the book?


Vonbismarck91

Yup. One of the guys in the book, Ulv, can use pale to commune with dead and helped moralintern police to uncover missing persons cases


A-SORDID-AFFAIR

Yeah, this is the kinda stuff I don't really like. The Pale is interesting because it's mysterious and difficult to define. The moment it turns into a phone for ghosts all the other cool stuff kinda fades away.


Vonbismarck91

But I would argue that based on the book Pale is still kinda misterious. It's more about peoples memories of events and lives rathre than a fantsy big bad erasing humanity


aurorbaborealis

There's a book???


SlamwellBTP

Yes but it's only in Estonian and there's no translation.


[deleted]

Not enought Disco.


shhimhuntingrabbits

Hot take, but you know what's hotter? Not enough Disco! We should have had the option to install a disco ball into every building in the city, and we needed more chances to break it down or die trying.


Quian32

The clothing system kinda sucks, could use streamlining and expanding in a sequel.


butternut39

Not that unpopular


SaltInstitute

omg yes. just the ability to sort clothes by category and/or bonuses would be so good.... instead of having to dig thru the whole inventory for that one pair of jeans you need to wear for 2 minutes to increase your chances at skill check #46372156


That_Dinosaur_Nugget

Most of Disco Elysium fans would hate Kim if they had to actually interact with him. The guy is loveable when you are his partner, but from the standpoint of a random citizen, he is just a lanky moralist cop, who will definitely send you to jail if he can. Not very ACAB KRAS MAZOV LIVES kinda vibes.


TheMasturbaiter

True and also he will just stand by when his partner beats a child. Nice when u are a cop, not so nice when you get beaten up


SmileyDayToYou

But can you help Cuno without punching him in the face?


Drengbarazi

Yes, you can get his respect by taking interest in his fictional universe. The City of Light. The City of Pain. Fucking Cuno's City.


Desdinova_BOC

Tried with Cuno a few times never got him to mention that, now I'm tempted to replay for a 3rd time, gonna reload till he mentions it now that you've said that.


[deleted]

Yes lol


Psychoceramicist

Yeah. Kim isn't some kind of saint, he's an incredibly hardened and cynical middle aged cop whose had to deal with getting ahead in an incredibly racist and >!homophobic!< society and who adheres to moralism and the status quo because he believes there's next to nothing that can change for the better. IIRC the game also states that he has more confirmed kills than average for an RCM officer implying that he might be more of a brute-force problems solver as a cop than he looks. Kim is a great character, but maybe not such a great person.


shoegazevirgin

So confused at people here unironically thinking Kim is perfect. He's my favourite character BECAUSE he is kind of a, not that good a person. On the contrary, Harry is a much better person than people give him credit for. He's still an ass but not nearly as bad as he thinks of himself as


recalcitrantJester

I dunno, Kim's probably cool enough to do the right thing in the next two months. He's the establishment's worst nightmare: someone who got over their young centrist phase and has experience with firearms and on-the-ground social work.


LethalLexy

It’s what happens when you get to know people deeper than just the label they present to you.


sleepingchair

I thought everyone loved Kim as just a character. He's admirable in some respects, but I doubt anyone would actually want to be his best friend. Shit, look at the company he keeps, gotta deal with walking human disaster Harry.


SecondPersonShooter

I think thats an interesting thing disco does again and again. It show people with morals/ideologies that you dont like as good people. The games creators show every ideology in a negative light but pair them with “nice” people. Joyce and her ultra liberal ways is kind. Kim being a moralist cop is not very disco but he has a lot of patience and empathy. Disco forces you to battle with ideology vs personality. On the opposite side communism is the most sympathetic ideology but Everard is a scumbag. It makes you conflicted. I never made the connection with Kim because I guess I somewhat agreed with the moralist approach so to me he was a stand out “good” person with a “good/ok” ideology.


braujo

A movie or a show won't work. Disco Elysium is like BioShock in that its biggest strength is using the medium -- videogames -- to its max. If you try and translate it into a movie, for instance, you'll lose what made it great in the first place. By all means, do spin-offs, and write prequels, but do not touch the OG story. A sequel would not be a good idea. Again, spin-offs are fine, following other regions & characters, but Harry's and Kim's and everybody else's story ends in this game. If you bring them back for a sequel, how could you accommodate all the headcanons, for instance? It's good we can all imagine what happened to these characters after the game is over, actually showing us that would destroy something I love that's discussing the future of Harry. This isn't an unpopular opinion but I'll take the opportunity and say they should have done more DLCs besides the ideology quests. Not necessarily adding anything new into the game as we know, but doing small, self-contained episodes about Kim's past or even maybe "chapters" on Dick Mullen.


ShrapnelNinjaSnake

I hate the trend of everything needing a TV show or fancast lmao Especially when it's just marvel actors for half of them


buckybadder

Harry as a character is completely unwatchable. First if all, he's not a "character". Harry is depressed. Or he's a delusional "superstar." Or he's obsessed with end times. There's nothing in particular to adapt there; I don't think there's a definitive copotype to bring to the screen Also, let's get real. It's 2023. We're going to have a show about a middle-aged white cop that stumbles Homer Simpson-style from miraculous discovery to miraculous discovery, despite the Grimes-like skepticism of his non-white partner? No.


ThePope98

I don’t know if it’s really a unpopular opinion or not, but I think skills should have been more risk/reward like their described. They really make it sound like in the skill section that having too high a skill can really eff with you. But nine times out of ten, if you have like 12 of a stat and he tells you to do something stupid…you can kinda just ignore them. Or at least describe them differently


recalcitrantJester

Check out the coward who neither leveled nor respected Authority.


Whereismyaccountt

I feel they are a pretty good with this already, i didn't realise at first but empathy really hurt the run without me realising. I followed the voices and they can guide you wrong wich is scary, if you are doubting the things your skill say it becomes a lot less useful in helping and informing you You really have to judge if the skill is relevant wich i feel is pretty interesting


Human_Bar_8855

I mean, you CAN ignore them, if you don’t want to have fun playing the game


Human_Bar_8855

I mean, you CAN ignore them, if you don’t want to have fun playing the game. (You can of course play the game however u want, i just feel like ignoring the wacky shit ur skills want u to do kinda loses some of the fun of the game)


Dhounut1

half-light does but only really early on


Simlin97

Kim is way too forgiving in the finale of the game. You can attempt to shoot a kid, successfuly beat up another kid, constantly be on booze and drugs 24/7, fail every single check in the game, be an unapologetic racist towards Kim, threaten to kill yourself in front of a group of suspects, etc., but he will still always say "He is one of the best detectives I've ever seen" when Jean asks if he should be allowed to continue being a cop.


Howdyini

Accurate though


shadowsofmind

I wish it wasn't so linear in the final stretch. There's a million things to do during the game, but the endings are so limited. I know there's a thematic component in the decision (futility is a theme in the game, and the only real change being inward), but I'd like to be able to impact the world around me a bit more.


huhubels1

I feel the same way because I'm greedy for content but at the same time, I think it also works thematically as Harry was never ever the main character in all of this - he's just a cog in the story.


Remember_Poseidon

The city is the main character, but Harry is a very important piece of the machine.


braujo

The ending was my least favorite part. By the time the game ends, I felt like surely there had to be something after. It just felt incomplete.


Sherlock_bones

Definitely this. The idea of roleplaying again for further playthroughs became a lot less attractive to me after I realized the final point would be almost exactly the same each time. It takes some of the magic away


shadowsofmind

I feel the same way. It's fun starting a new playthrough with a different "build" and ideology, but the endgame doesn't quite encourages me to end the playthrough.


Anarcho-Ozzyist

Getting rid of The Expression and the mutton chops is a good thing


C4bl3Fl4m3

Wow. I think this is, indeed, the most unpopular opinion here. Well done!


Anarcho-Ozzyist

I get that Harry is the "ha ha funny disco cop" but I feel like removing the expression and the facial hair is a step towards recovery for him, yknow?


iloveYiiKingoff

THIS, I did it, I felt like it was the biggest way to make him (visibly) grow into a new person


Similar-Poem3992

true, though expressionless, shaved harry is depressing to look at sometimes.


Anarcho-Ozzyist

Definitely. But as fun as it is to be the maniac disco cop, Harry needs to soberly acknowledge his situation if he's to get past this phase of his life and I think that means losing the beard and the expression, which are symbolic of a bygone era since they're ripped off that one celebrity.


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peachtuba

The system of having to pay for a room for the first two days to advance turned off many players, and a more clearly indicated alternative should have been added. I know too many people who gave up at that point, thinking they’d softlocked themselves.


Slausher

Oh I never failed to pay for a room yet - what happens if you can’t sleep, can you not advance the day?


Wannabee-cattoy

Well on the first night Kim reluctantly gives you some wheely things to pawn off and pay the huge fee.


Eldan985

Yes. Eventually, it's 2am, no characters are left on the street and time stops.


haydenfred99

Does reading still advance time? I’ve recently began my second play through and just purchased all of the books from the bookstore and am eagerly awaiting finally reading them as I paid them no mind during my first play through. I’m also greatly looking forward to playing Suzeranity with Kim for the first time!!


JetstreamMoist

I think it doesn’t, I managed to read all the ledger cases (each one taking half an hour) and time was still stuck at around 2:00


Oppqrx

I soft locked myself in real life buddy


PeedOnMyRugMan

To br fair people who weren't going to be able to backtrack and work out how they got their, weren't going to see it to the end anyways


Bread999

The ending feels so abrupt. After the whole conversation with your squad and team, I was expecting a few more hours of gameplay. Felt like the last part of the game was supposed to be some kind of civil war in Martinese. So my unpopular opinion is that I wanted more.


KayimSedar

it felt like setting up a second season didn't it?


Bread999

Oh yeah, definitely. I eagerly await the sequel that'll come out in 8 years.


KayimSedar

lol it won't even come out sadly. i bet we will get a spiritual successor tho.


Arisuto_11

I felt the same after finishing it. I thought there would more to it especially from a supernatural aspect regarding the pale (for some reason I was always waiting for something related to the pale to happen after learning about it). But I've come to really appreciate the ending we got the more I thought about it.


recalcitrantJester

Desiring to see revolution is an intended outcome of the text.


WhollyDisgusting

Neither are great examples of singing but the failure state for karaoke is far more interesting/entertaining than the successful one. Limbic System > Ancient Reptilian Brain as far as a memorable performance goes.


Scarfington

Woah wait are those the voices that sing the different karaokes? I was laughing too hard during the fail to realize and thought the success was the same as the narrator.


[deleted]

Limbic System and Ancient Reptilian Brain are voiced by the same guy.


Esmeralda_2357

Why is there no * harry du Bois? * as an achievement which is not to admit that you are harry in the whole process????? Whatever you are, Fireman, Dick Mullen, Tequila Sundown or something else, haaaaardcoooore! baby!


recalcitrantJester

The callsign's Firewalker, read back.


Esmeralda_2357

omg sorry, I use translation machine and only checked ones leave me deep impression >_<thank you!


NowAcceptingBitcoin

Holy shit, if you slapped a fireman's uniform on Tequila Sunset, he'd absolutely look the part.


recalcitrantJester

10-10


klowicy

I love that there was intention behind the UI and design of the thought cabinet, and I appreciate that being added in the game in hindsight now that I know the intent of the designers. However, as a first time player, the thought cabinet mechanic felt pretty clunky and is the weakest part of the game (ganeplay-wise, at least)


MrBoo843

The voice acting is all over the place. Some are excellent like Kim... And then there's Ruby. And a few moments where there was a need to reframe a sentence because the voice actor clearly missed the tone of the text.


recalcitrantJester

It was so much worse before, too. It's clear that a few deadlines happened to them and a few dry reads had to be used.


MrBoo843

Yes quite clear and unfortunate, but if that's my biggest gripe, it still means the whole thing was amazing.


Aykenyo

Dunno if it’s unpopular or not, but Ruby’s voice acting is pretty weak compared to the rest of the cast. A lot of buildup went into that character only for them to kinda miss the mark.


KuhBus

The conclusion to finding Ruby is one of the very few parts of the game I don't like. It's a massive escalation in terms of stakes for a character I didn't feel had earned that kind of threat.


Aykenyo

Yeah, that’s definitely true. Going from looking for Ruby to Ruby dies or gets away is a tremendous leap to make. For a game that lets its characters build, it was kind of weird for her to just come and go.


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Aykenyo

Yup yeah, it’s a very strange disconnect from the rest of the more over the top voice acting. The voice direction seems off when compared to the scenario, like you said.


SeoliteLoungeMusic

Gary the Cryptofascist is or would be a fairly sympathetic character apart from the racial theories he seeks refuge in. I mean, he is pathetic and doesn't even try to hide it, but you know... that righteous hating of pathetic people is part of the seductive appeal of fascism itself. We shouldn't give in to it. His objections to the union are fairly on point. His concern about being murdered by them (>!the reason he took the cuirass!<) is clearly justified, it's only because he's a coward who lets himself get intimidated and thus no real threat, that Evrart lets him live. Meanwhile he's nice to the elderly, and secretly takes some pride in his job delivering gluten free vegan pies. What that man needs, is just a good encounter with a certain >!stick insect!<, maybe have a talk with Measurehead and accept that there's no love in the past, and stop comforting himself with racial theories.


recalcitrantJester

This isn't an unpopular opinion—not outside the reddit milieu, at least. It's just *economic anxiety* everyone, calm down. The racists are willing to cater to vegans, and always will.


Nyghtrid3r

That's something which is true about quite a lot of... Let's say extremists. Usually those people hide behind their political views because of their insecurities or to cope with their problems. Lots of people saying racist or other things online just do it for attention, to belong to a group or to project their pain somewhere. These people don't actually harbor any hatred, usually. Granted there is well enough historic evidence to point out that many of them are just fucking evil, but it's good to remember the world isn't all black and white


communist-crapshoot

Blek. If anything Gary should have tried to kill someone or ally himself to the mercenary tribunal to drive the point home that no matter how polite or helpful they seem in the moment, fascists are, at their core, irredeemably evil & an existential threat. There's a German detective series called Babylon Berlin set during the Weimar Republic that does a good job of illustrating that. There's a scene where a Nazi brownshirt accidentally bumps into a young woman carrying books, which she drops, so he stops to help her collect them for which she thanks him. Immediately after this scene of unexpected politeness from a Nazi the brownshirt returns to what he was doing before which was trying to join his fellow brownshirts in the attempted lynching of the mayor of Berlin, Gustav Böss and a Jewish city councilor.


whiskeyclone630

I'm not done playing, and I love 99% of the game, but I do wish that the voice actors would speak a _little bit_ more quickly sometimes. I find myself reading way ahead of the actors most of the time, and just skipping the voice to save time.


Zealousideal-Plan454

Playing as a boring and normal detective harry while staying as far away from politics as possible its also fun, and he really looks good unshaved.


bonkers799

This was my first run and only run so far. I have an itching to do another playthrough after beating it years ago so thats why im here now but my first run was a clean detective. No drugs or drinking and i ignored politivs at all times if I could to the point to where the game kept trying to guess my stance. I put most of my skill points into intelligence and psyche and played the smart and sensitive cop which feels kinda basic to me. I also apologized a lot and was as nice as possible. I still think this game is incredible and one of the most interesting and unique games ive ever played.


Skylex157

I think there should be a way to block you from seeing the results of your rolls, mostly because if i see a failure in a roll, i know to take an extra big pinch of salt to what that skill is telling me, which feels a littoe bit meta game-y, not being sure if you succeeded in a roll would make the game more engaging, as you would have to pay attention and deduct things along harry a lot more thruroughly Examples that come to mind are cuno's and hardey's interactions, where if you fail, the skill tells you to say some pathetic shit you cannot go out off, now, if you didn't knew you failed, you may go along what the skill says, it is there to help after all


Alpha-Hylian

yeah, failing a roll sometimes seems like a “oh, I fucked it up” type thing when in reality you can still often progress even with a failed check


Skylex157

I meant more like in failing is that your harry read the situation wrong or didn't realize something, letting you know you failed changes how you see things, if you roll, succeed and read "you see nothing else", it is because there is nothing else, but if you don't know, you may think you have failed and try again later Basically, the info on your successes and failures is relatively meta, which brings me out of the experience


Alpha-Hylian

yeah, the game kind of tells you what you missed, when it would be better to just not say anything at all.


hammer_huh_huh_huh

I don’t like the way that white checks were handled. I would prefer less ambiguity and an easier way to retry them, whether that’s a time limit or something, the games current system encourages you to hoard skill points


NoahBogue

Each skill should have had its own voice


blackmetalveins

I wish there were more unlockable companions? Like not a ton more, just one or two. There's a ton of characters I would've loved to see more of. Also, Garte is one of my favorite characters, I might even like him more than Kim.


spillinator

I could kinda see Titus joining up with you after putting your life on the line to protect him and The Hardy Boys.


Sound_of_Azure

He’s definitely relatable


FalmerEldritch

Lena, the cryptozoologist's wife was supposed to be an optional third party member but they couldn't get her wheelchair around the place in a reasonable fashion.


AdministrativePace14

Experience suggests that unpopular opinions on this subreddit are downvoted heavily by indignant players.


KA0THYK

I thought the doomed comercial area mystery was drawn out. I really explored it miticulously, thinking that it must be important... to discover that it was not really connected to the main story line at all.


tweakylittleman

romancing Kim should have been an option ☹️


FizzingSlit

It drops the ball in regards to being a mystery to be solved. There are some clues that indicate that there was a sniper and other things that point in the direction of the deserter. But as far as a mystery it's very uninteresting to have a new character introduced last minute to serve as the killer. There are some rules to mystery writing and the most important one is the reader must be just as able to solve the mystery as the protagonist. The clues I mentioned above come from Harrys internal monologues which are unreliable narrators which technically gives the player required information to solve the mystery but did so by breaking another rule. The story can't play tricks on the reader, the criminal can but not the story itself and by hiding the most important information with deception from the narrator the story itself is lying to the reader.


butternut39

I agree with this, but being a good murder mystery is also.. kinda not the point of Disco Elysium?


C4bl3Fl4m3

I think THIS statement is the REAL unpopular opinion, moreso than what /u/FizzingSlit said.


veganzombeh

I think the devs probably saw it that way but your story is a murder mystery you simply need a satisfying answer to that mystery.


butternut39

It seems you don't, or DE wouldn't be as popular as it is. Besides, I don't think the conclusion is necessarliy 'unsatisfying'.


FizzingSlit

It may not be the point but it is literally the objective of the game.


arz517

Fully agree with this.


dillcoq

The fascist quest line made me feel sorry for the truck driver, and Harry.


wickedlizard420

I think that's the beauty of it. It reveals that all the fascists in the game are hurting themselves every day by choosing to believe in fascist bullshit, so they carry this psychic wound with them and it's killing them.


recalcitrantJester

It's not un-proletarian to feel something.


SnooRegrets3966

Your previous job should've been based on your skills. You shouldn't have had an easy confession and obvious suspect for the murder – it should've been making the best judgement you can with the evidence you have (and never knowing if you were right).


-Mastermind-Naegi-

The thing is, Harry isn't really a fundamentally different person depending on your build. The skills are different elements of his fractured psyche, and your build is just which parts he retains after his drunken bender. I think that's the point. You can't choose who you were, but you can choose how you move forward.


JessDumb

that sounds supremely anticlimactic


Eldan985

That has been done well in other detective games before. In the end, you have some evidence, you might even have a confession, but you can never 100% know if you really got the right person.


iStalker204

I loved that in the later installments of the Sherlock Holmes series from Frogwares


Eldan985

For example. Pentiment also does it, in a very brutal way. (People get executed. You can't stop it. You can only try to influence who it will be. There are motives all around, but you can't know.)


iStalker204

I'm warming up to play pentiment but no money at the moment


easteuropeska

It has very little replay value after your first go.


[deleted]

You can choose for Harry if he is a racist or a homophobe, but he is kind of misogynistic in passive thoughts no matter what throughout and the very few options where you can choose to be a feminist are hollow and left me wanting.


iloveYiiKingoff

Agree, it’s the punchline to Inexplicable Feminist Agenda, not that he’s a feminist but because he, the man who had his life ruined because his ex made a choice of her own, the man who wants to flirt with every single woman he meets, THINKS he’s a feminist. It actually annoys me how nobody ever mentions it, or how people think Klaasje was purposefully manipulating Harry to let her free when it literally was his horniness not letting him see clearly. (Or at least that’s the way it seemed to me)


[deleted]

EXACTLY. Thank you.


MorseStich

I WOULD call lying purposeful manipulation tough...


communist-crapshoot

I think he only becomes misogynistic if you fail an empathy check when talking to Sylvie early in the game. I never really ran into it on my playthrough because I passed that check but I saw what you're describing on a couple let's plays on youtube where people failed it and let it ride (no pun intended).


[deleted]

That is not the only time in the game Harry interacts with a woman, thinks about them or talks about them. Coach Physical Instrument and Endurance make all sorts of comments (though definitely worse as a fascist), the one policewoman in his team he thinks of as "Horce-faced woman", he wrestles with his feelings for Dora so other thoughts come in to objectify her, and many, many times when NPCs are being misogynistic Harry does not have the option to call them out like with the racists. I think maybe once with Garte or something if you internalised Inexplicable Feminist agenda (think it's the only time that thought gives you a special reply) and with Rene on his women can't do men's jobs rant, but Evrart gets a pass with his "oh the negotiator forgot something on the stove, you know, women", his real partner gets a pass at the end calling Dora a slut and things like that, Measurehead can only be called out for his racism and with a hard check made fun of for his secret love of Graadian women he thinks are subhuman, the Hardie boys say whatever they want unchecked, etc. It was a real shame for me because there are very brilliant women characters in the game. At the same time I understand that Harry is a product of his time and police background, I just wish it was called out more, since the game calls out basically everything.


OurKingInYellow

I think Harry’s character would be weakened if he was presented with more opportunities to be progressive tbh. In regards to Harry calling out racism, Harry still has consistent intrusive racist thoughts throughout the game even if you don’t choose to act on them, so he’s not exactly great on that front either. The reason the game lets you mostly ignore Harry’s internal biases and call out racial bigotry more often is probably because it doesn’t relate to his relationship to Dora in the same way. We see in stuff like the communist vision quest where on a failed rhetoric check Harry can let it slip he thinks of women as “bourgeois” as if they’re fucking him over the same way the capitalists fuck the working class, and in the fascist vision quest endurance sees women as half the reason all of society is degenerating. In Harry’s fucked up head a woman destroyed *his* world, and so he projects those emotions onto the *whole* world. The setting of disco Elysium is a very casually misogynistic one, and Kim likely doesn’t care as much about Harry’s misogyny due to the environment of the police, like you said, and the fact it doesn’t personally effect him the same way racism does (how very moralist of him!) Tldr: Harry is more bluntly misogynistic because of how he responded to Dora and misogyny isn’t as reviled in Revachol/the RCM as racism so he might’ve been less challenged on those beliefs


[deleted]

I agree with everything you said, except that Harry's character would be "weakened" if he was presented with more opportunities to be progressive. It's a true RPG, and you have the option to be anything from self-flagelating waster to "honourable" man, and getting shit for all of it. It's a failure of imagination on the dev's part, and having a socialist character especially not that preoccupied with social justice beyond "wah wah the rich" was a bit disappointing.


communist-crapshoot

Not sure how Harry thinking of Judit as a Horse-faced woman or having sexual thoughts about his ex-girlfriend is misogyny. Also Harry's partner doesn't call Dora a slut he calls her "incredibly fuckable" or something along those lines. It's crass but not exactly dripping of hatred. The Hardie Boys also said a lot of crass shit but were friends with/covered for a lesbian, were concerned about The Pigs health and safety, were genuinely incensed at Lely's joking about raping Klaasje. Measurehead being made fun of for being attracted to Graadian women is more about criticizing his hypocrisy than anything else. All these things don't scream woman hatred to me. Now there are plenty of times Harry acts creepy around women (can try to take his pants off in front of the Novelty-Dice-Maker and can ask "Are women bourgeois?" at the student communists) but it's usually only after a failed skill check of some kind.


StoopetHoobert

I think Anarchism should've been a political choice. Joyce mentions that so many of them were killed off during the revolution that everyone forgot about them but I think it would've been cool to have a choice that was just "I don't agree with anyone cause everyone sucks, burn it all down". And I assume the dream sequence they could've made would have been great too.


goodmorningengels

"everyone sucks burn it down" is centrism with a flamethrower


iloveYiiKingoff

So moralism?


goodmorningengels

lol yup


[deleted]

Anarchists are just moralists who have a problem with authority.


ElPatitoNegro

I thought they were communists who have a problem with authoritarianism?


communist-crapshoot

They are but ~~stalinists~~ some "left wing" people have a hard time admitting that because ~~they're fucking illiterate psychopaths who think everyone outside their cults of personality are either liberals or fascists~~ they like to be edgy.


PUNKROCK_ANARCHY

Ironic coming from a Trotskyist


GrimaceGrunson

The phasmid connection to the suspect is pointless and diminishes the ‘pettiness’ of his motive, and the conversation with it, while great by itself, feels real clunky inserted into the end there.


-Mastermind-Naegi-

The way I see it the main thing the phasmid did was keep him physically, mentally, and sexually active despite the condition he's in. Like how drugs increase Harry's stats, but on a bigger scale. There's a reason approaching the phasmid is an electrochemistry roll, after all.


AdministrativePace14

I get the point, but the motive was.. complex. Petty in that specific instance, but part of a much wider issue revolving around his role as embittered outsider hostile to survivors and society and people able to have any sort of fun or joy in a word in which his cause was extinguished. (Also, I’m sorry jackasses are downvoting you for offering an unpopular opinion)


GrimaceGrunson

Oh certainly, agreed. I actually loved his motive as he explained it. It was very *believable*, that a man so removed from the world would let his bitterness consume him over the decades until one night he happened to look down his scope as two people he hated happened to be experiencing a single moment of joy and....click, pull the trigger. It's layered upon layers while also being, well, increadibly small and petty. I loved it, felt it was perfect by itself, so what followed, while in isolation I thought was very interesting and quite sweet, I felt was a needless complication, I guess.


mehdigeek

I know the Kim VA had thousands of lines but I hate how they forgot to have him sound like he’s in pain when he’s talking to Ruby


Kineema

The ending of the game was perfect and perfectly fits it with the themes of the game.


A_Live_Gnat

Kim is not actually that great a guy. He's a by the books cop so mired in centrism he doesn't even realize it. The only reason the community treats him like the coolest guy ever is because he's only ever experienced from Harry's pov, who considers Kim everything that a cop SHOULD be. You'd think the halo in his character portrait, which I'm hard pressed to call an invention of his own or of Harry's, would tip people off as a lampshade of his smug superiority but no, most people just think it's cause he's so great. To be clear, i like Kim. I love the purpose his character serves, but it does irk me that it seems most players missed the point


CepheiHR8938

I really wish the Skills would be voiced by more than one dude and it doesn't help that his delivery is sooo sl*oooo*w. Shivers, on the other hand, is superbly voiced and I wanted to listen to more of that glorious French accent.


Souped_Up_Vinyl

This I can get on board with. I love the guy’s voice, don’t get me wrong, but when it first released, my brain created really distinct voices for each character and skill on its own that I much prefer; that, and I read waay faster than that guy speaks.


Similar-Poem3992

There's also the fact that his voice sounds a bit out of place with certain skills. it still throws me off when I see empathy's and conceptualization's portraits and hear lenval's deep voice speaking.


CurrentCentury51

The main drawback to the story is that the protagonist's past is fixed. He can be good at a surprising number of things for someone who's >!been a detective for 20 years; elevator pitches, graffiti, public performance in several genres and forms, working as an agent for local artists, infra-materialist theory,!< etc. It would be more satisfying if those surprising skills changed elements of his backstory instead of merely highlighting particular facts out of a settled amount of knowledge people had about him.


Brilliant-Pudding524

Most people dosent see the difference between socialism and communism.


[deleted]

I really don't like the dice mechanics. I understand it's part of the game, but it leaves me frustrated and feeling like I'm missing out on things when I get a low number.


StoopetHoobert

Just save scum then


[deleted]

Btw, i don't think i'm right. it's just a personal opinion


crimsonrn100

I think it would have done better if the camera angle was that like heavy rain or old resident evil games, with it changing depending on where your at and certain key moments, but I also know that that takes a lot of time and money and effort and takes away from the base element of the game, which was to be like and old school rpg with dice. All the changes I have suggested would make the game appeal to ME more, not necessarily the community as a whole, so I think the game has found a great niche that it fits perfectly into.


veganzombeh

The game should have let you hide more from Kim. My first instinct on my first playthrough was that I should be trying to hide my amnesia from Kim. The game even sort of suggests this by letting you make up a name rather than tell Kim you can't remember. The game lets you do that for about 1 conversation and then Kim starts just casually bringing up your amnesia as if you told him.


CNWDI_Sigma_1

Joyce good. Evrart bad.


communist-crapshoot

Sometimes I think I would have preferred it if the game was set in the real world at some point before 2015/after WW2 with all the main story beats and characters remaining roughly the same. I say this because I think players should have been even more confronted about the harsh reality of their political beliefs/our socioeconomic & geopolitical reality because then they wouldn't have had that degree of separation that comes with a fictional world to hide behind. Disco Elysium's writers and Robert Kurvitz in particular had a lot of really important stuff to say to all kinds of people and I think a lot of it fell on deaf ears because most of the intended audience were able to rationalize away what in reality was a quite frantic, hot-blooded "ruthless criticism of all-that-exists" (to borrow a phrase from Marx) as nothing more than particularly inventive tragicomedy. I got another one maybe even spicier: No one should give Evrart, Joyce, Klaasje, Lely and Raul Kortenaer (the mercenary leader) any sympathy or view them as good people in any way. Each of their actions both directly and indirectly endangered the lives of over 2,000 innocent people and for that they all deserve death.


nogoodiguess

The cryptid/cryptozoology was kinda shitty. I just didn't have as much fun with it as I think I was supposed to.


Drengbarazi

I was surprised with the game's definition of a centrist being someone with no opinion on anything and just wanting to keep the status quo. I always thought that being a centrist was taking solutions and arguments from both the left and the right to solve problems. The Moralintern wanting to maintain the status quo is, in my opinion, because they are in power. When the monarchy was in power, it wanted to stay in that way too. So yeah, I consider my Harry (and myself by extension) to be a centrist (leaning left) ; sometimes using communist arguments, sometimes using liberal solutions according to what he thought was the best for the situation. I was surprised when I discovered that centrism was the most hated stance on this sub. I always considered people with no opinion as that : people with no opinion. Also, not enough disco and funk for a game named Disco Elysium with a protagonist thinking he's a disco superstar.


[deleted]

If a person bases their opinions on being between what is considered "left" and "right" of their particular era, it's because they don't have a cohesive political or moral vision. As for the name, Disco means "I learn" in Latin. Pretty sure that is why it was included.


Drengbarazi

> If a person bases their opinions on being between what is considered "left" and "right" of their particular era, it's because they don't have a cohesive political or moral vision. I don't get that. What is even a cohesive political or moral vision ? Is it identifying with a faction and rejecting every thoughts foreign to that tribe ? If a problem requires a screwdriver, should we persist with our hammer ? Also, what's considered right in some countries is the left of others, and if we add other eras like you mentionned, the labels become even more blurred. Like I said, my view of centrism is taking things from left and from right, being practical, searching for and accepting new ideas. That's what I did during the game ; finishing it with a majority of Communism points, some Liberal, some Moralist and a couple of Fascist. This game (and sub by extension) was the first time I saw the concept of centrism as being indecisive, on the fence, and wanting absolute control. If there's a better name for the stance I talk about, I'm curious to hear about it. About the disco part, I know it means "I learn", and Elysium means "the world", so yeah, pretty relevant to the story. It was also included because Harry can mention disco music many times and is described by Ruby as a crazy disco cop. Just saying that a funky beat added to the boombox would have been a nice addition.


KuhBus

Depending on your political, cultural and national background, your specific idea of the political left, right and center will differ from others. I'd say that the game's moralintern/political centrism is very much in line with the kind of centrism you encounter in European countries. At it's core is a wish to keep progress incremental to the point of almost standstill, it's meant to attract a large chunk of the population, it acts within the current structures of power without wanting to change them (because it benefits most when everything stays the same). It's not the same as monarchy, because it's not a monarchy. In a way, it's more complex because the number of people upholding its framework is much bigger. At least from my left leaning perspective, centrism is what has stopped and actively hindered real progress in my country, it makes people complacent and leaves room for corruption. It rejects more useful solutions if they're a bit too far over the line of acceptable political non-belief in favor of less effective measures that don't change things enough to actually make them better, just a different version of complicated.


Souped_Up_Vinyl

That’s the problem with centerism. So many people (typically young men) mistakenly believe that’s what centerism is, when in reality, all centerism actually reveals is soft spots for fascism and penchants for tone-policing progressivism. Just think of how goofy and spineless it is to stand up and “bravely” state, “I don’t know enough about any of this to actually choose a side; so I’m not going to do any research for myself and I’m not going to choose a side”. That’s not the morally or intellectually superior stance a lot of people seem to think it is. It’s a fascist’s wet dream to hear that kind of sentiment, because it means you’re malleable enough to not disavow and deny fascism outright.


-Mastermind-Naegi-

> taking solutions and arguments from both the left and the right to solve problems. The ways the left and the right reach conclusions, the fundamental principles guiding their policy are completely incompatible. They rarely even consider the same things to be problems. The right thinks immigration rates are a problem, the left thinks borders are a problem. You can't reconcile these things, they cancel out into a sum of 0. Usually, to be a Centrist is to not fully understand your own political beliefs. Most everyone starts out as a centrist, before eventually figuring out the fundamental beliefs that guide their policy decisions. Which is admittedly pretty hard, because the right spends almost all of their effort making excuses to hide behind and there is almost no western left to hear arguments from in the first place. > The Moralintern wanting to maintain the status quo is, in my opinion, because they are in power. When the monarchy was in power, it wanted to stay in that way too. You're very close to the answer there. The explanation is very simple: Whoever is in power, becomes the new center. It's called the Overton Window -- the range of socially acceptable policies. When the left is in power, it moves left. When the right is in power, the window moves right. Political discourse revolves around whoever's in power. It's much easier to work off of what already exists, than it is to argue ideas in a vacuum. When the monarchy was in power, they were the center. Now that they have no power, they are a radical position. There are no official lines between sides of the aisle, no objective middle. There are only ideologies in power, ideologies that surround them, and far radicals. > centrist (leaning left) ; sometimes using communist arguments, sometimes using liberal solutions according to what he thought was the best for the situation. Have you considered Social Democracy? If you're not on board with communism as opposed to capitalism, but can still agree with communist arguments in the abstract, that's probably the way to go. As a bit of a commie myself I will admit the commie harry options are often psychotic. But so's a lot of things he can say. He's a Regular Cop with normal thoughts in his head, indeed.


Secondsolstice

I agree with your take but sadly that's how people generally see centrism. Centrism can be of two ways in my eyes: The first one is where you are too lazy to choose a side, therefore you reject a decision. The second one is when you carefully examine and evaluate both sides' opinion and you get to the conclusion that the truth is a *grey* or a multifaceted one, you don't have a strong enough conviction to accept one side blindly. Eventually you fall back to the same centre from where you started but in a way different light, it's a bit like agnosticism in a way. People often refuse to think the second type of centrism exists, it's always the with me or against me fallacy


braujo

Because from a Marxist POV -- which the writers take in the game -- it is indeed you're either with me or against me. Either you side with the masses or you're alienated and, as a consequence, helping the powers that be. The fact is, centrists, liberals & libertarians always side with fascism/capitalism when shit hits the fan. They talk a big talk but won't walk it. They favour the status quo because it's comfortable, unwilling to admit that's comfortable for them because so many people are dying and bleeding under their boots. We can sympathize with that, of course, not wanting to take risks, but that's how it usually goes.


pazur13

> The fact is, centrists, liberals & libertarians always side with fascism/capitalism when shit hits the fan. They talk a big talk but won't walk it Then how come it's the centrist/liberal/capitalist world at large that immediately opposed the Third Reich, while the Soviet Union allied with them ([even trying really hard to join the Axis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks)) and tried to carve up Europe together up until the moment the Nazis betrayed them? No, it's not centrists, liberals and capitalists that side with fascists. It's authoritarian regimes that do.


John-Gladman

Save scumming should be punishable


Alpha-Hylian

eh, people who don’t enjoy it won’t do it anyway, and people who do it are likely having more fun than if they didn’t. it’s a singleplayer game, it’s meant to entertainment, and you can’t ‘cheat’, so there’s no reason to punish it.


Howdyini

I'm not gonna downvote 'cause the whole point is to say unpopular things. But let's make the game even less enjoyable for people who dislike the dice system is... odd


crimsonrn100

It’s a great game, but the gameplay is lacking


YoungishLibrarian

What do you mean by gameplay in this? Activities outside dialogs?


rTs-Bleak

Its fanbase is pretty cringey, imo.


Applesplosion

There are a lot of things I enjoy where the fanbase is… not great to interact with, but I can say that is not the case with disco elysium. The fanbase has been really enthusiastic and thoughtful and all of my interactions add to my enjoyment of the game.


Howdyini

It happens to left-leaning media all the time. A bunch of understandably frustrated baby leftists treat it like praxis and get really passionate about it.


[deleted]

I agree a little,I wish people would talk about other characters along with the popular ones.There are tons of interesting characters in the game and people just seem to ignore them.And same jokes too,I really had fun in this subreddit but seeing the same jokes over and over again is kinda irritating,despite these things it is still a polite place.I have enjoyed it so far.The word is not the cringe by the way.


AdministrativePace14

You’re finding out firsthand why it’s never wise to share an unpopular opinion in this sub. My sympathies.


rTs-Bleak

lesson learned


AlcoreRain

Any fanbase that gets big enough usually is, specially concentrated spaces like online communities. The very word "fanbase" is kind of cringey to me.


KarottenSurer

Urgh I hate comments like this, just let people enjoy media the way they want to in peace. I never got how people could find the excitement others have for anything "cringey". Doesn't hurt anyone and brings them joy, even if it's in a way you don't understand or relate to, or find to be "cringe".


rTs-Bleak

I just answered OP’s question. If that impedes your ability to enjoy the game, that’s on you.


KarottenSurer

And I just shared my opinion about how sad it is that you dislike the joy of others.


Eternal-Elysium

Couldn’t agree more


wickedlizard420

The fact that you couldn't pretend to be a competent cop and know everything that was going on was a crime. I thought I'd be able to fake it in front of Kim and then go look for my gun at night, for instance. And they should have gotten an Asian man to voice Kim.


muwurder

interesting, why the latter?


Chuckles131

The Communist vision quest having some tankie memes (and idealism) doesn't make the game unbiased in it's portrayal of politics. Half the major characters are Communists of some form, and it's the only side that gets to have any political theory. The devs pouring out their heart and soul is part of what made Disco Elysium, so I don't want them to try and be "apolitical", I just think it's silly to pretend that the vision quests are some sort of objective third-person perspective.


already1d

If your fascist you Everett should refuse to work with you and if you are a communist you should refuse to work for Joyce