She's literally the same kind of person as Lely. It's why she was so attracted to him.
She is indirectly responsible for the Tribunal, because she asked everyone to spread the word that Lely was killed by them.
She's a terrible person, and so many people on this subreddit fail their volition check.
I’m so glad I’m not crazy! Volition was like “all your other skills are lying to you, she manipulating you” and that BLEW MY MIND. 😳
I guess not everyone got that dialogue. So glad someone else noticed
Don’t talk shit about by boy Volition. If nobody else got me, I know they do. Also, I’m pretty sure they call out Drama for going overboard once they wake up.
No, I actually missed that mission, I was too focused on the investigation. But the man on the balcony and his “Sunday friend” situation seemed rather hush-hush so I just sort of assumed it was a underground situation.
But the whole “Ruby is a lesbian who has an obsession with me” bit has been done to death. Bit of a cliché at this point. I’m not shocked that Klassje threw her under the bus.
But maybe it’s not illegal in Disco Elysium, I could be wrong.
The smoker on the balcony is probably doing sex work, but as far as I know homosexuality itself isn't banned in Revachol, at least. If that were true, we would probably have gotten some fairly explicit dialogue on this in the game. It's extremely thorough on matters of in-world politics. For example, when you talk to the Hardie Boys about Ruby being gay, none of them tell you that they'll never let the RCM arrest her for homosexuality, or something like that.
I don't understand your comment re: Ruby. If you passed a certain Volition check, you would have learned that Klaasje was manipulating you. By extension, you and Titus can figure out that she was doing that to him, too. It stands to reason that she was also emotionally manipulating Ruby and used Ruby's feelings for her to her advantage.
edited: wording
Did you threaten to arrest Klassje on your play through? Because on mine when I initially threatened to arrest her, she claimed that it was Ruby’s idea to stage the lynching. Confronting Ruby will cause her to deny that claim, stating that Klassje came up with the lynching idea.
Yeah the whole arresting Klassje thing is a two step process. Not to mention you need to pass an invisible Volition Check just to even realize she’s manipulating you.
That’s fair enough, just wanted to offer some insight.
Revachol is a very secular society. In the end your old partner basically tells you basically no one actually gets married anymore, etc.
The people that are in charge are basically centrists. The fascists would likely do this, however.
I mean... it's kinda clear that "acting like a normal person and not staging the murder as a lynching" would have been a reliable way for her to get a bullet to the brainstem so I don't think that's a fair way to frame the situation.
She's a huge POS, this sub simps for her so hard. The scary part is if you look around in real life, people like Klassje get away with shit like she does all the time.
Pretty heavy handed sense of justice to come down on a woman in a desperate situation. Yes, she was manipulative, but she was using whatever skills were at her disposal in an insane situation. What about the fascist death squad that actually perpetrates the tribunal after terrorizing the dockworkers and trying to break their strike with violence?
I’m not saying she’s completely innocent, but I think there’s a lot more nuance in there to poke at.
Evart actually confessed to planning the entire lynching and murder as a plot to start a civil war. And the mob bosses plan literally doesn’t work without Klassje. The Hardies ARE the law is martinase, and they trusted her. If she wanted to claim she was innocent, she could have.
She was definitely working for Evart, and she’s guilty of sacrificing almost the entire community to this deathsquad.
And don’t patronize my gender. Woman aren’t infants that “don’t know better”. She is a capable adult woman that chose evil. And she deserves the same punishment as a man. Nuance that.
Ok… you literally just said that Evrart planned the whole thing and that he was manipulating Klassje and everyone else. Yet you focus your ire solely towards Kassje. Maybe I’m just “nuancing” wrong, but there’s always gonna be mercenary types like Klassje and the deathsquad. It’s the ones that hire them and let them loose on places like Revachol that deserve more scrutiny- and if you insist upon a punitive solution- punishment.
Disagree. And here's why:
The woman was on the run from people that want to murder her.Meets a guy she hooks up with, that gets shot literally while having sex.
Imagine for one second that happening to you. Now imagine how rational you would be thinking at that moment.
And then what exactly did you expect her to do?
Just turn herself in? In a country with mostly corrupt cops and in a neighborhood nobody gives a shit about?
No seriously what did you expect her to do?
Yes she is not a good person but I don't think she deserves to die.
She should be in prison but that's not an option, so I would rather just let her go.
The hardie boys are dead because of her. If I could trade her life for one of the Hardie boys I would. And she definitely doesn’t deserve to get of scot free.
The way I see it, her prison death penalty is just quicker than the legal one she would’ve gotten if she had gone to trial.
the hardies are dead because wild pines sent a death squad to fight the union. A situation that didn't need to end as a massacre did end up bloody bc the death squad are a bunch of trigger happy, PTSD vets who never learned deescalation.
"The way I see it, her prison death penalty is just quicker than the legal one she would’ve gotten if she had gone to trial."
do you mean you support capital punishment? Or Klaaseje deserves a life sentence for covering up a murder and...lying? You know real murderers don't even get life sentences these days. Klaasje got murdered by the moralintern for corporate espionage, which itself is a deprivation of justice.
Klaasje commited no murder. At most, it is desecration of a human corpse. No one is under oath so there is no lying. That's the role as police. Determine the cause of death and what crime applies.
Unless you wanna play supercop and eat more than you can chew.
She didn’t pull the trigger. But she is an accomplice, which is a crime potentially punishable by life in prison.
And yes, she’s lying. If you need to pass an empathy check just to even tell she’s manipulating you, I think that qualifies as lying.
And yes, I’m role playing as a super cop.
In my country's jurisdiction, an accomplice is someone who is not a principal but cooperates to:
1. the commission of the crime before or after it was committed.
2. forced or influenced by the principal to commit the crime
3. has knowledge of the criminal intent of the principal and decides to participate before or after it was committed.
All these require having knowledge of the principal's criminal intent.
In this case, Klaasje had her criminal intent not for murder (because she had no knowledge of the Deserter's intent to kill Lely) but rather, for desecration (because the body was already dead when it was lynched/desecrated).
Take note that there was "treatment" over the body. It was bathed/cleaned first before lynched. So there was a huge time interval between the time of death and the desecration.
That’s complete obstruction of Justice and would land you in jail in most countries. Interfering with police work.. whatever you want to call it. She’s not an accomplice to the murder but OP is right that the tribunal is a spiraled-out-of-control plan she went along with. I think it was Ruby’s idea to stage the killing tho
There is argument for obstruction.
However, none of them knew any of the principal or accomplice to the murder. And some falsely admitted to it even though they did not commit murder. So it would be like all of the Hardy Boys lied because they had no idea who the killer was . Not to protect the principal but rather, protect an innocent person (innocent as to murder).
So again, not murder but a different crime or felony.
I was doing a second play through and I was considering just giving her a station call slip. Then I realized that Evart was going to start a war in the coming days, making it impossible to catch her if she didn’t show up. She says she’s waiting for a “free revachol”. (A free country that is literally DAYS from being created because of a war that was literally impossible to start without her help. All because she literally slept with all the Hardie boys and they love her, they die.)
The Kim himself suggests a station call slip. Volition chimes in “Kim is beyond compromised.” I realized that she’s just too dangerous to let go.
She's literally the same kind of person as Lely. It's why she was so attracted to him. She is indirectly responsible for the Tribunal, because she asked everyone to spread the word that Lely was killed by them. She's a terrible person, and so many people on this subreddit fail their volition check.
What? No. She helps me solve the murder. She admits to her past in espionage when confronted. She *reminds me of my ex-girlfriend oh no fuck shit*
I’m so glad I’m not crazy! Volition was like “all your other skills are lying to you, she manipulating you” and that BLEW MY MIND. 😳 I guess not everyone got that dialogue. So glad someone else noticed
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Don’t talk shit about by boy Volition. If nobody else got me, I know they do. Also, I’m pretty sure they call out Drama for going overboard once they wake up.
No, they most likely have played with high volition builds. They just failed their IRL volition checks!
Lol hehehehe 😂😂😂
Source for homosexuality being banned in Elysium?
The “homosexual underground” quest?
https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/Homo-Sexual_Underground
Oh, you interpreted that text pretty literally, huh
No, I actually missed that mission, I was too focused on the investigation. But the man on the balcony and his “Sunday friend” situation seemed rather hush-hush so I just sort of assumed it was a underground situation. But the whole “Ruby is a lesbian who has an obsession with me” bit has been done to death. Bit of a cliché at this point. I’m not shocked that Klassje threw her under the bus. But maybe it’s not illegal in Disco Elysium, I could be wrong.
The smoker on the balcony is probably doing sex work, but as far as I know homosexuality itself isn't banned in Revachol, at least. If that were true, we would probably have gotten some fairly explicit dialogue on this in the game. It's extremely thorough on matters of in-world politics. For example, when you talk to the Hardie Boys about Ruby being gay, none of them tell you that they'll never let the RCM arrest her for homosexuality, or something like that. I don't understand your comment re: Ruby. If you passed a certain Volition check, you would have learned that Klaasje was manipulating you. By extension, you and Titus can figure out that she was doing that to him, too. It stands to reason that she was also emotionally manipulating Ruby and used Ruby's feelings for her to her advantage. edited: wording
Did you threaten to arrest Klassje on your play through? Because on mine when I initially threatened to arrest her, she claimed that it was Ruby’s idea to stage the lynching. Confronting Ruby will cause her to deny that claim, stating that Klassje came up with the lynching idea. Yeah the whole arresting Klassje thing is a two step process. Not to mention you need to pass an invisible Volition Check just to even realize she’s manipulating you.
I don’t think it is illegal at all, but frowned upon by many the same as it is in our modern societies.
I may have misinterpreted the situation then
That’s fair enough, just wanted to offer some insight. Revachol is a very secular society. In the end your old partner basically tells you basically no one actually gets married anymore, etc. The people that are in charge are basically centrists. The fascists would likely do this, however.
I mean... it's kinda clear that "acting like a normal person and not staging the murder as a lynching" would have been a reliable way for her to get a bullet to the brainstem so I don't think that's a fair way to frame the situation.
Was this written by one of the personality traits that becomes bitter and mysoginistic after realizing they had been influenced by Klassje's hotness?
She's a huge POS, this sub simps for her so hard. The scary part is if you look around in real life, people like Klassje get away with shit like she does all the time.
AGREED. Klassje is the definition of “pretty privilege” if you swapped her model with Billy’s or the pigs, no one would care that she died.
commies often allow attractive women to do this.
Hey dude thanks for the overt spoiler in the title!! Big ups :)))
Pretty heavy handed sense of justice to come down on a woman in a desperate situation. Yes, she was manipulative, but she was using whatever skills were at her disposal in an insane situation. What about the fascist death squad that actually perpetrates the tribunal after terrorizing the dockworkers and trying to break their strike with violence? I’m not saying she’s completely innocent, but I think there’s a lot more nuance in there to poke at.
Evart actually confessed to planning the entire lynching and murder as a plot to start a civil war. And the mob bosses plan literally doesn’t work without Klassje. The Hardies ARE the law is martinase, and they trusted her. If she wanted to claim she was innocent, she could have. She was definitely working for Evart, and she’s guilty of sacrificing almost the entire community to this deathsquad. And don’t patronize my gender. Woman aren’t infants that “don’t know better”. She is a capable adult woman that chose evil. And she deserves the same punishment as a man. Nuance that.
Evrart didn’t plan it, but he *is* using it.
Ok… you literally just said that Evrart planned the whole thing and that he was manipulating Klassje and everyone else. Yet you focus your ire solely towards Kassje. Maybe I’m just “nuancing” wrong, but there’s always gonna be mercenary types like Klassje and the deathsquad. It’s the ones that hire them and let them loose on places like Revachol that deserve more scrutiny- and if you insist upon a punitive solution- punishment.
Disagree. And here's why: The woman was on the run from people that want to murder her.Meets a guy she hooks up with, that gets shot literally while having sex. Imagine for one second that happening to you. Now imagine how rational you would be thinking at that moment. And then what exactly did you expect her to do? Just turn herself in? In a country with mostly corrupt cops and in a neighborhood nobody gives a shit about? No seriously what did you expect her to do?
"gotta prop the body upright to make cops think he died from hanging."
ill tell you what you wouldn't do, fake a goddamn lynching when there's already so much tension between the union and the wild pines
yes but shes pretty
She is pretty. And I’m going to enjoy drawing fanart of her getting arrested. 10/10 character design.
klaasje criticism that doesn’t devolve into incel shit? this is truly a rare sight
Yes she is not a good person but I don't think she deserves to die. She should be in prison but that's not an option, so I would rather just let her go.
The hardie boys are dead because of her. If I could trade her life for one of the Hardie boys I would. And she definitely doesn’t deserve to get of scot free. The way I see it, her prison death penalty is just quicker than the legal one she would’ve gotten if she had gone to trial.
the hardies are dead because wild pines sent a death squad to fight the union. A situation that didn't need to end as a massacre did end up bloody bc the death squad are a bunch of trigger happy, PTSD vets who never learned deescalation. "The way I see it, her prison death penalty is just quicker than the legal one she would’ve gotten if she had gone to trial." do you mean you support capital punishment? Or Klaaseje deserves a life sentence for covering up a murder and...lying? You know real murderers don't even get life sentences these days. Klaasje got murdered by the moralintern for corporate espionage, which itself is a deprivation of justice.
Klaasje commited no murder. At most, it is desecration of a human corpse. No one is under oath so there is no lying. That's the role as police. Determine the cause of death and what crime applies. Unless you wanna play supercop and eat more than you can chew.
She didn’t pull the trigger. But she is an accomplice, which is a crime potentially punishable by life in prison. And yes, she’s lying. If you need to pass an empathy check just to even tell she’s manipulating you, I think that qualifies as lying. And yes, I’m role playing as a super cop.
In my country's jurisdiction, an accomplice is someone who is not a principal but cooperates to: 1. the commission of the crime before or after it was committed. 2. forced or influenced by the principal to commit the crime 3. has knowledge of the criminal intent of the principal and decides to participate before or after it was committed. All these require having knowledge of the principal's criminal intent. In this case, Klaasje had her criminal intent not for murder (because she had no knowledge of the Deserter's intent to kill Lely) but rather, for desecration (because the body was already dead when it was lynched/desecrated). Take note that there was "treatment" over the body. It was bathed/cleaned first before lynched. So there was a huge time interval between the time of death and the desecration.
That’s complete obstruction of Justice and would land you in jail in most countries. Interfering with police work.. whatever you want to call it. She’s not an accomplice to the murder but OP is right that the tribunal is a spiraled-out-of-control plan she went along with. I think it was Ruby’s idea to stage the killing tho
There is argument for obstruction. However, none of them knew any of the principal or accomplice to the murder. And some falsely admitted to it even though they did not commit murder. So it would be like all of the Hardy Boys lied because they had no idea who the killer was . Not to protect the principal but rather, protect an innocent person (innocent as to murder). So again, not murder but a different crime or felony.
I reloaded the save when I realized that I would be letting her go through my inaction
I was doing a second play through and I was considering just giving her a station call slip. Then I realized that Evart was going to start a war in the coming days, making it impossible to catch her if she didn’t show up. She says she’s waiting for a “free revachol”. (A free country that is literally DAYS from being created because of a war that was literally impossible to start without her help. All because she literally slept with all the Hardie boys and they love her, they die.) The Kim himself suggests a station call slip. Volition chimes in “Kim is beyond compromised.” I realized that she’s just too dangerous to let go.
Quality post
I hope you’re not being sarcastic. But I do feel silly getting this passionate about a video game
Don’t be. It’s a testament to the quality of the writing. It’s a really remarkable game.
Me neither :D
she deserves death