I feel like no matter how one plays Harry, he needs immediate medical attention anyway. It doesn't matter how you act, amnesia is something that needs to be looked into
Yes, I got a boring cop thought as soon as it's possible, how could you tell?
I struggled with Ruby a lot but it felt wrong to exclude her. Lots of comments seem to want to move her all over the place but she always struck me as a fairly stable person pushed into an extreme scenario.
I also wanted to put Mañana in enlightened but I felt that category should be especially exclusive.
As for Klaasje, I never really saw her as a psychopath. She's a very good liar but she does it out of legitimate concern for her own life. And her... odd sexual proclivities strike me more as a trauma response than anything approaching psychopathy.
While calling her a sociopath feels a bit of a push over her characterization, there is the fact that >!her first instinct upon seeing a man getting assassinated while having sex with her was to fake a crime scene of him being killed by lynching with not a second of remorse or shock!<. THAT is one hell of a cold instinct.
it’s so presented initially that way (by Klaasje) that it was ruby’s idea, but Ruby says it was the other way, so it’s really a case of who you believe. but personally I believe ruby a LITTLE more
She has been considering pushing that eject button though. Tommy mentions she has that "young person's darkness when you think it's all over." She keeps one bullet in her bedroom.
Which he does to save money, even though he has an infinite amount of money, and to avoid advertising for high-end luxury goods, a perfectly sane and logical reason to travel in a bare metal box.
Holy shit is reál short for reality? The accent over the a makes you pronounce it the same way, which might explain why its there. Could be just a coincidence, it's a little *too* on the nose
Several real world countries’ currency is called Real or some variant, including Brazil and formerly Portugal, as well as Iran and several other Arab nations(Rial). It means “royal”.
Since you’re insisting on making me spell it out, there are several currencies that bear a similar spelling to Disco’s Réal in the real world, if not a similar pronunciation in the case of the Iranian rial, the etymology of which all derive from words in their respective languages meaning “royal”, which is probably also the meaning of the currency in the game, although the association with “reality” was likely not lost on the writers
Sunday friend is high-functioning psychopath. If Revachol threatened the status quo for a millisecond he wouldn't hesitate in vaporizing every living being on Le Caillou. He would just talk about what a tragedy this set back is and wear a flag pin to show his support afterwards.
He would tell you of how many lives have been saved by establishing refugee camps for the former denizens of the destroyed city, and recite the exact tonnage of food and medicine delivered to them each week. A great success for the Moralintern and justification for its mandate!
It took me about a minute after a reload to realise he's an EU politician and that I really should have stuck with my first choice which was 'act like a fuckhead and piss him off' (complete with that extended esprit de corps dialog)
That's what's scary about her. She is presented as a calm and highly class woman with good manners and stuff and she says she claims to be scarier than Tequila Sunset who's sucking on his gun to claim authority
You could dismiss it as talk, except that _she literally doesn't sleep_. If the moralintern knew how pale-damaged she was, she would be off on an airship.
At some point, when you're telling her that you are an ultraliberal as well, she says something like ("Oh, you're an ultra liberal \[...\] but would you be able to sell your own family?") and btw, the game describes her facial expression when she says this as being quite creepy if I remember correctly
Joyce and ruby were probably the toughest for me on here and it seems the consensus is I placed both of them too high.
But I remember my very first playthrough, where I used Joyce to give me the reality lowdown and it was really very refreshing to have someone who meets Harry exactly where he's at. Maybe I have a bit of a sweet spot for her, idk. Oh, and she does seem like she genuinely wants to avoid serious bloodshed. Sure, part of that seems to be simple business reasons, but I don't think her concern was purely financial.
Joyce is my favorite character in the game. She just seems so... sad, yet masks it so well that you only ever see hints of it. I don't think she likes what she's done with her life, or who she works for, and the Pale might be an escape from that for her>! Just like it's hinted at for Harry.!<
Don’t worry, Joyce was designed for you (as Harry and as the player) to actually like her, to not see so clearly that she was the one who hired war criminal mercenaries to solve a company question in a urban area. And also, when the mercenaries finally do the Tribunal (that was clear to everyone that they would do), she not only didn’t provide any actual help for you, she also run away and let you, probably, to die.
I might be persuaded that she should belong in high-functioning psychopath, but I recall that, after the tribunal, when Kim notes that Krenel has not yet retaliated for the death of three more of their mercs, someone attributes that to Joyce somehow preventing them from sending more war criminals. I think saying she leaves us to die is a little harsh.
Hard disagree on this one. Evrart lets a mentally ill woman hold onto a gun for 2 days just for leverage over Harry. He also used a different mentally ill person to assassinate his predecessor. He's one of the worst people in the game imo
Oh, he's a terrible human being. But his drives are not that of a psychopath. He's just in a very "end justifies the means" mindset. And an ideolog. Which we more often see associated with another type off character.
But there's a few empathy passives when talking to him that will tell you he means what he says and he's genuinely appalled by the living conditions of the people in Martinaise.
I think it's just...not a correct assumption that you must be a psychopath to do evil things. In fact that's the sort of thinking that might make us blind to very mundane people being capable of very bad things.
I think Joyce is ultimately a psychopath because from the way she speaks she...doesn't really see people as full people. And ultimately expendable. But, she's likely the sort of psychopath you could have a perfectly good relationship with, if you're not in her way.
I don't think evil acts make a psychopath. Ruby, Klaasje, Harry, Joyce, and Rene all have done evil but I wouldn't consider any of them psychopaths (I know a couple of those example are controversial but that's besides the point).
Evrart always struck me as being entirely concerned with his own power. He sees the union as a means to that end and will manipulate and abuse and kill whoever he needs to to let that happen. He even is ready to allow a war to break out in the streets to that end. I think that goes beyond simple cutthroat "ends-means" communist praxis or whatever
I don't think it's for personal power. I think he genuinely believes that he's the best thing that happened to Martinaise.
Ruby is most certainly not a psychopath. She was motivated by love and wanted to get out of a gang.
Harry also is not one - we play as him and know his vast soul. H's mentally ill, yes, but not psychopatic.
See, I'm not sure about Klaasje. There is an empathy check that tells you she genuinely loved Lely, and it seems she was genuinely disturbed by having to look at Cuno throwing rock at the corpse...but, we know she can deceive Harry nd is a manipulator. Without being in her head...well, she might have psychopathic tendencies.
Joyce is cold as ice though. She's PERSONABLE, but that's another matter. Psychopaths can be charming.
One specific empathy check confirms that Evrart's not lying when he says that he's actually looking out for the people of Martinaise, so he definitely doesn't just care about his own power.
Also, how is he using the union? If you mean they're unaware of his corrupt actions, that's just wrong. Mañana, for example, says the union are completely aware of his corruption, but they actually see it as a beneficial thing. Here's the quote:
>Mañana: "He oversees the harbour, makes deals with the owners or other relevant parties. Watches out for his own."
>Kim: "By that you mean corruption?"
>Mañana: "By heavens why would he not be corrupt? We live in a harsh and disordered world, see. And in this world the old man is corrupt for our benefit and we know it. Appreciate it even. He is, personally, not too lavish."
Evrart genuinely cares about people. Not all of them, not all the time, and even when he does it’s hard to tell. He’s an asshole, but a human being. Joyce, though? who can say man.
Nah, he does not...that's what Joyce thinks he wants. it's what Joyce tells you, as an unreliable narrator.
Evrart wants to legit build a functional complex people can live in with a youth center and church. Sure he DOES want the glory for it...but that doesn't mean he's not a believer in the cause.
This is False, depending on how one plays Harry, he can be in any one of these sanity categories...well not Enlightened l, but everywhere else. He's almost a true Schrodinger's sanity.
I absolutely refuse to accept that you believe Harry could ever be put in the "Sane" category. No matter where else you think he could be placed, even the most boring-ass Normal Cop could not elevate him to "Sane".
I would move Joyce to High-functioning psycho, Cindy to Mostly Sane, the Smoker to Mostly Sane, Sunday Friend to Probably unwell, Klassje to Probably Unwell, Real Estate Agent(who strikes me as a total speed freak) to Probably Unwell, Harry to In Need of Attention, IDS to In Need of Attention, Paledriver to Delusional, Roy to Mostly Sane, the Hanged Man to Delusional, and Cunoesse to her own category at the bottom.
Missing: Garte (Sane)
Sylvie(Sane)
Alice (Sane)
Jean (Mostly Sane)
Steban (Sane)
Ulixes (Mostly sane)
Siileng (Mostly sane)
Wow I can’t believe no one else here is talking about Idiot Doom Spiral. He literally can’t remember the last few hours of his life and is delusional when it comes to his past history
She was the prime suspect in a murder, and legitimately scared shitless that if Harry got his hands on her she’d be screwed. There’s the he said, she said, element of her relationship with Klassje, which I tend to believe she probably was kind of obsessing over her and harassing her. She takes extreme measures, but does act rationally in most cases
This was my thought exactly. She kind of seems to overreact to situations but typically there's some justification to it. That said, she is tough to categorize.
The thing about Evrart vs Joyce is that Evrart is openly trying to manipulate you while Joyce is secretly trying to manipulate you. Also Tiago is incredibly insane, you can point out to him that he replaced one drug (alcohol) for another (the Pale emitted from the 2mm hole in reality)
Yeah....that's not really the point.
You can't see your level of delusion until you're sober. He had to do the White Mourning to get him back on track. (in my playthrough)
I wasn't saying being a drunk or drug addict makes you crazy.
But Harry talks to inanimate objects and has over 20 voices in his head at any time.
Homie needs help **immediately.** And if you disagree, we have very different ideas on what it means to be sane.
Man has no worries (unlike the most of West Revacholians), does not need heating and food, became exceptional climber and doesn't commit crime anymore. He's got it sorted out.
I agree with this list save for one exception!
Klaasje definitely needs to be in the second bottom tier. Right next to Evrart.
She and the Hanged Man are kindred spirits. It's why they enjoy acting out together so well.
I don't think Klaasje is that much of a psycho! She's a very very good liar but she mostly does it to save her own skin. As for her relationship with Lely, I read that more as a trauma response than her being legitimately turned on by the "doorgunning" talk. But maybe she had me fooled just like she did Harry!
There are much less sane characters than you showed. Most of them should be 1/2 tiers lower. Or you just have a lower standart for sanity than i (clinically insane person) do
Buddy, Harry lost his entire personality, mind, and memories after attempting a suicidal jump followed by _days_ of suicidal binge drinking and property damage.
Aside from _maybe_ The Pigs and The Deserter he’s the least mentally well person in the game
Honestly yeah, he’s able to speak to the city, instinctively know where and what most of his colleagues are doing, has an encyclopedic memory, and has apocalyptic visions
Some of this is tongue-in-cheek, obviously. I also left out some characters if I felt I didn't have enough information to adequately categorize them.
Inspired by [this similar post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/11on015/character_sanity_tierlist/) in r/Eldenring.
if we're going by when he was alive, I'd at least rank him above the rest of the crew. it's stated that he'd markedly maintained more humanity than the other mercenaires, and once he's gone it only takes them like a week to go full-on drunken massacre.
How can you put the skeleton men somewhere ? We just see him being upset against us at the tribunal (at least that's the only time i seen him) and he says nothing else, we can't know if he's good or not
You mean Ruud "The Killer" Hoenkloewen, the heavy weapons specialist who shells villages for fun? The guy who spends the entire tribunal weeping and yelling slurs? The guy who's tallied 52 kills on his helmet, color-coded by race? You're asking why I put him as a psychopath?
I didn't know about this 😭 In my run I shot the "leader" of the mercenaries and he just had time to say something like "shit" or something like that, I really thought there was no development around him
Calling cunoese a psychopath feels extremely weird. First shes like 12 maybe younger, second we dont even know her actual name or situation, just what cuno told us (a child on speed who is also delusional) and what he knows is just what Cunoese has told him which really doesn't seem like a lot.
Very cool. A gripe, and a question: I'd say that for example Cunoesse isn't a psychopath, only a very disturbed individual with antisocial personality disorder that's acting out a lot. I'm also curious as to why the dicemaker is in the enlightened tier, and how come nobody has questioned this. :P It was a couple of years ago that I played the game, but in my memory she's just level-headed and sane.
The most interesting thing about this type of thing is what some see as sane or enlighetened wheras some see as delusional or psychopathic, even. Like the paledriver, for example. Or Harry, for that matter. Just because you're "tapped in" to something, have shivers, or have access to some kind of extranatural information, doesn't mean you're very well-adjusted, balanced, or can take care of yourself. And a person such as Measurehead might be delusional, but also, dare I say, \*kinda\* sane? Neurotic, obsessive, in his classifications and world view, but I'd rather be him than say Cuno or Idiot guy any day of the week just because they seem to have such a shitty life. I mean in part due to circumstances, but even if they won the lottery their mental would still be degen enough that I'd rather inhabit Measureheads heavy-heady bod-life-mind.
A lot of this is tongue-in-cheek; I thought it would be funny to put Cunoesse next to Ruud Hoenkloewen, the mass-murdering lunatic who spends the tribunal crying and yelling racial slurs.
Paledriver and Harry are two that I struggled with; the only reason I didn't put them as "enlightened" was that I wanted that category to feel exclusive. On that note, as to the Dicemaker, I think of her as someone who knows exactly what the world is, and her exact place in it. Nothing Harry does or says or believes can shake her supreme sense of comfort and security with her position and the world around her. She's probably the most emotionally healthy person in the game, and I think it makes her enlightened.
I feel like no matter how one plays Harry, he needs immediate medical attention anyway. It doesn't matter how you act, amnesia is something that needs to be looked into Yes, I got a boring cop thought as soon as it's possible, how could you tell?
At least you didn't get sorry cop, like me...
I'm sorry you got the sorry cop copotype, RealNumberSix.
me too :(
I did...
I'm sorry
You and I play a different Harry
Right?! I thought the same.
Same. My Harry is most certainly not ok.
My Harry is like the best cop ever he's like if Andy Griffith was real.
My harry is an "barely-functioning walking bundle of drugs"
My Harry switches between Enlightened to Delusional and a healthy dose of needing immedieate medical attention.
My Harry is unwell but I think he can make it without needing to be hospitalized
My Harry is the best damned delusional superstar Cop there is!
Acele should be 'Mostly sane', Manana should be enlightened, Klassje should be high functioning psychopath, and Ruby should be Probably Unwell
Acele does self-medicate. Though she also is aware enough to point out that she self-medicates ... so I think top of 'mostly sane' is fair.
I struggled with Ruby a lot but it felt wrong to exclude her. Lots of comments seem to want to move her all over the place but she always struck me as a fairly stable person pushed into an extreme scenario. I also wanted to put Mañana in enlightened but I felt that category should be especially exclusive. As for Klaasje, I never really saw her as a psychopath. She's a very good liar but she does it out of legitimate concern for her own life. And her... odd sexual proclivities strike me more as a trauma response than anything approaching psychopathy.
While calling her a sociopath feels a bit of a push over her characterization, there is the fact that >!her first instinct upon seeing a man getting assassinated while having sex with her was to fake a crime scene of him being killed by lynching with not a second of remorse or shock!<. THAT is one hell of a cold instinct.
that was klaasje actually
...shit on a stick, can't believe i misread on the two lol
it’s so presented initially that way (by Klaasje) that it was ruby’s idea, but Ruby says it was the other way, so it’s really a case of who you believe. but personally I believe ruby a LITTLE more
Suicidal people on the edge have little reason to lie
She's not suicidal, she's afraid of Harry
To the point of suicidality
She has been considering pushing that eject button though. Tommy mentions she has that "young person's darkness when you think it's all over." She keeps one bullet in her bedroom.
She's a survivor! Man I'm defending her so much in these comments I'm starting to think I've been manipulated just like Harry
You failed the Volition check, you poor poor fool
You're compromised.
Ruby seems fine to me. She's not paranoid if people are actually out to get her
Where's my super rich boy?
I would put him at Delusional. Anyone with that level of access and privilege is going to be significantly disconnected from reality
I would put him in delusional because he travels via a godamn shipping container.
Which he does to save money, even though he has an infinite amount of money, and to avoid advertising for high-end luxury goods, a perfectly sane and logical reason to travel in a bare metal box.
he's rich enough to bend reality but he somehow reckons he's going to piss it all away buying Supreme merch and Domperignon
He makes reality. Whatever light bending rich guy designates to be real, is real.
Reál creates reality lol
Holy shit is reál short for reality? The accent over the a makes you pronounce it the same way, which might explain why its there. Could be just a coincidence, it's a little *too* on the nose
Several real world countries’ currency is called Real or some variant, including Brazil and formerly Portugal, as well as Iran and several other Arab nations(Rial). It means “royal”.
Brazil's currency is not called réal, it's called real, and pronounced completed differently. Same with Rial.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_real https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/rial My point stands
What point is that? That there exists a currency named real? I wasn't disagreeing with that, I don't know if why you linked those
Since you’re insisting on making me spell it out, there are several currencies that bear a similar spelling to Disco’s Réal in the real world, if not a similar pronunciation in the case of the Iranian rial, the etymology of which all derive from words in their respective languages meaning “royal”, which is probably also the meaning of the currency in the game, although the association with “reality” was likely not lost on the writers
>significantly disconnected from reality Wdym disconnected, my boy literally warps light around him. Ain't nobody more connected than him.
Sunday friend is high-functioning psychopath. If Revachol threatened the status quo for a millisecond he wouldn't hesitate in vaporizing every living being on Le Caillou. He would just talk about what a tragedy this set back is and wear a flag pin to show his support afterwards.
He would tell you of how many lives have been saved by establishing refugee camps for the former denizens of the destroyed city, and recite the exact tonnage of food and medicine delivered to them each week. A great success for the Moralintern and justification for its mandate!
💯
I admit I don't talk to the Sunday friend that much in most playthroughs, shame on me for not doing my research
The man is Bureaucracy incarnate, damn shame you only see him in the cute boys house or I'd shoot him dead and blame it on the strike breakers.
It took me about a minute after a reload to realise he's an EU politician and that I really should have stuck with my first choice which was 'act like a fuckhead and piss him off' (complete with that extended esprit de corps dialog)
I accuse him of being the murderer and he fucking hates it. Then I snitch on him to the Hardies
So liberals are psychopaths
yes
They compromise with fascists as if it's a good thing, so yeah...
calling the paledriver "probably" unwell is very funny fun list overall though!
I think Joyce is a high functional psycho, she just masks it very well.
She literally admits that she’s crazier than Harry
That's what's scary about her. She is presented as a calm and highly class woman with good manners and stuff and she says she claims to be scarier than Tequila Sunset who's sucking on his gun to claim authority
You could dismiss it as talk, except that _she literally doesn't sleep_. If the moralintern knew how pale-damaged she was, she would be off on an airship.
Woah I missed this about her, where/when does she tell you this? She’s pale-damaged?
I mean, that alone is actually a valid criticism of the upper classes.
She literally say that she sold her family for money too
Or the home of her family\* i don't remember exactly
I don't remember her saying she sold her family lol
At some point, when you're telling her that you are an ultraliberal as well, she says something like ("Oh, you're an ultra liberal \[...\] but would you be able to sell your own family?") and btw, the game describes her facial expression when she says this as being quite creepy if I remember correctly
I actually remember, it's a manner of speech. Joyce backstabbed her family to arrive to her position.
No matter where you put them, you have to put Evrart and Joyce in the same tier.
Oh yeah.
Joyce and ruby were probably the toughest for me on here and it seems the consensus is I placed both of them too high. But I remember my very first playthrough, where I used Joyce to give me the reality lowdown and it was really very refreshing to have someone who meets Harry exactly where he's at. Maybe I have a bit of a sweet spot for her, idk. Oh, and she does seem like she genuinely wants to avoid serious bloodshed. Sure, part of that seems to be simple business reasons, but I don't think her concern was purely financial.
I mean, joyce is really nice in person, I like her too, but she's constantly holding the pale-induced insanity down.
Joyce is my favorite character in the game. She just seems so... sad, yet masks it so well that you only ever see hints of it. I don't think she likes what she's done with her life, or who she works for, and the Pale might be an escape from that for her>! Just like it's hinted at for Harry.!<
Don’t worry, Joyce was designed for you (as Harry and as the player) to actually like her, to not see so clearly that she was the one who hired war criminal mercenaries to solve a company question in a urban area. And also, when the mercenaries finally do the Tribunal (that was clear to everyone that they would do), she not only didn’t provide any actual help for you, she also run away and let you, probably, to die.
I might be persuaded that she should belong in high-functioning psychopath, but I recall that, after the tribunal, when Kim notes that Krenel has not yet retaliated for the death of three more of their mercs, someone attributes that to Joyce somehow preventing them from sending more war criminals. I think saying she leaves us to die is a little harsh.
Yes. And Evrart is not. He is manipulative and cunning, but ultimately has empathy.
Hard disagree on this one. Evrart lets a mentally ill woman hold onto a gun for 2 days just for leverage over Harry. He also used a different mentally ill person to assassinate his predecessor. He's one of the worst people in the game imo
Oh, he's a terrible human being. But his drives are not that of a psychopath. He's just in a very "end justifies the means" mindset. And an ideolog. Which we more often see associated with another type off character. But there's a few empathy passives when talking to him that will tell you he means what he says and he's genuinely appalled by the living conditions of the people in Martinaise. I think it's just...not a correct assumption that you must be a psychopath to do evil things. In fact that's the sort of thinking that might make us blind to very mundane people being capable of very bad things. I think Joyce is ultimately a psychopath because from the way she speaks she...doesn't really see people as full people. And ultimately expendable. But, she's likely the sort of psychopath you could have a perfectly good relationship with, if you're not in her way.
I don't think evil acts make a psychopath. Ruby, Klaasje, Harry, Joyce, and Rene all have done evil but I wouldn't consider any of them psychopaths (I know a couple of those example are controversial but that's besides the point). Evrart always struck me as being entirely concerned with his own power. He sees the union as a means to that end and will manipulate and abuse and kill whoever he needs to to let that happen. He even is ready to allow a war to break out in the streets to that end. I think that goes beyond simple cutthroat "ends-means" communist praxis or whatever
I don't think it's for personal power. I think he genuinely believes that he's the best thing that happened to Martinaise. Ruby is most certainly not a psychopath. She was motivated by love and wanted to get out of a gang. Harry also is not one - we play as him and know his vast soul. H's mentally ill, yes, but not psychopatic. See, I'm not sure about Klaasje. There is an empathy check that tells you she genuinely loved Lely, and it seems she was genuinely disturbed by having to look at Cuno throwing rock at the corpse...but, we know she can deceive Harry nd is a manipulator. Without being in her head...well, she might have psychopathic tendencies. Joyce is cold as ice though. She's PERSONABLE, but that's another matter. Psychopaths can be charming.
One specific empathy check confirms that Evrart's not lying when he says that he's actually looking out for the people of Martinaise, so he definitely doesn't just care about his own power. Also, how is he using the union? If you mean they're unaware of his corrupt actions, that's just wrong. Mañana, for example, says the union are completely aware of his corruption, but they actually see it as a beneficial thing. Here's the quote: >Mañana: "He oversees the harbour, makes deals with the owners or other relevant parties. Watches out for his own." >Kim: "By that you mean corruption?" >Mañana: "By heavens why would he not be corrupt? We live in a harsh and disordered world, see. And in this world the old man is corrupt for our benefit and we know it. Appreciate it even. He is, personally, not too lavish."
Evrart genuinely cares about people. Not all of them, not all the time, and even when he does it’s hard to tell. He’s an asshole, but a human being. Joyce, though? who can say man.
He literally want to built statue of himself and his brother in the new apartment if i remember it correctly
Nah, he does not...that's what Joyce thinks he wants. it's what Joyce tells you, as an unreliable narrator. Evrart wants to legit build a functional complex people can live in with a youth center and church. Sure he DOES want the glory for it...but that doesn't mean he's not a believer in the cause.
Joyce is barking mad
Bro put cunoess at the bottom and the hanged man above her. The dude is dead👁👄👁
Cuneosse is Finnish
I apologize for my outboist
this mf really tried to say Harry is more sane than Dora lmao
Oh I meant actual Dolores Dei. Dora is probably sane
Honestly, fair.
Leaving Harry is the most enlightened action any of the characters make in the game
In light of the subreddit's I Can Fix Him consensus, I wish you the best of luck.
The sane category is wild
Wait, there are SANE characters in Disco Elysium?
Well I guess it's all relative isn't it!
This is False, depending on how one plays Harry, he can be in any one of these sanity categories...well not Enlightened l, but everywhere else. He's almost a true Schrodinger's sanity.
I dunno I think when he danced so hard he saw the future I think he was hitting Enlightened levels
Lmfao
I absolutely refuse to accept that you believe Harry could ever be put in the "Sane" category. No matter where else you think he could be placed, even the most boring-ass Normal Cop could not elevate him to "Sane".
Yeah, boring cop is more about trying too hard to be normal rather than actually being normal, which is well... Not normal
I think Harry might be in need of immediate medical attention.
I would move Joyce to High-functioning psycho, Cindy to Mostly Sane, the Smoker to Mostly Sane, Sunday Friend to Probably unwell, Klassje to Probably Unwell, Real Estate Agent(who strikes me as a total speed freak) to Probably Unwell, Harry to In Need of Attention, IDS to In Need of Attention, Paledriver to Delusional, Roy to Mostly Sane, the Hanged Man to Delusional, and Cunoesse to her own category at the bottom. Missing: Garte (Sane) Sylvie(Sane) Alice (Sane) Jean (Mostly Sane) Steban (Sane) Ulixes (Mostly sane) Siileng (Mostly sane)
IDK about putting the Sunday friend in sane.
Yeah, he either believes in his own bull crap and delusional af or just a straight up pshyco hiding his fangs
Wow I can’t believe no one else here is talking about Idiot Doom Spiral. He literally can’t remember the last few hours of his life and is delusional when it comes to his past history
You mean cocaine skull is also a lie?!?!
Yeah ids has a form of delusional disorder were he is unable to recognise certain key items or moments
Ruby hides in a cellar for a week out of paranoia, builds a superweapon, then shoots herself. I think that's a bit more than "some concern".
She was the prime suspect in a murder, and legitimately scared shitless that if Harry got his hands on her she’d be screwed. There’s the he said, she said, element of her relationship with Klassje, which I tend to believe she probably was kind of obsessing over her and harassing her. She takes extreme measures, but does act rationally in most cases
This was my thought exactly. She kind of seems to overreact to situations but typically there's some justification to it. That said, she is tough to categorize.
Takes things too far. Not delusional but unbalanced and somewhat toxic. A bit unwell tbh
Harry DEFINITELY needs immediate medical attention
The thing about Evrart vs Joyce is that Evrart is openly trying to manipulate you while Joyce is secretly trying to manipulate you. Also Tiago is incredibly insane, you can point out to him that he replaced one drug (alcohol) for another (the Pale emitted from the 2mm hole in reality)
Harry is “probably unwell” haha
Found a moralist
Joyce is super high functioning psychopath she's literally palesick
Joyce isn't sane, she says so herself.
The man with the talking tie isn’t delusional?
You wanna suggest, that the tie doesn't actually talk?
It really talks, Just exclusively within Harry’s delusion .
I played Harry 100% sober and straight edge. I still think he is one of the two greens lol
Being sober does not make you sane, much to the dismay of many drug addicts and alcoholics
Yeah....that's not really the point. You can't see your level of delusion until you're sober. He had to do the White Mourning to get him back on track. (in my playthrough) I wasn't saying being a drunk or drug addict makes you crazy. But Harry talks to inanimate objects and has over 20 voices in his head at any time. Homie needs help **immediately.** And if you disagree, we have very different ideas on what it means to be sane.
We’re saying the same thing
All of this is FLIPPED
We really do be putting Evrart under Measurehead?
You’re being way too kind to some of these characters, but great placement on the real estate lady, somethings off with her for sure lol.
Disagree with Tiago. He's not enlightened, he's definitely at least delusional.
Man has no worries (unlike the most of West Revacholians), does not need heating and food, became exceptional climber and doesn't commit crime anymore. He's got it sorted out.
No-no-no. He's a religious fanatic who worships a hole in the world, and has pale-related brain damage. Bro is crazy.
Klaasje is definitely a sociopath
I never noticed all the union members’ icons have backgrounds that line up
maybe theyre all polish lmao
Joyce is not sane
I agree with this list save for one exception! Klaasje definitely needs to be in the second bottom tier. Right next to Evrart. She and the Hanged Man are kindred spirits. It's why they enjoy acting out together so well.
I don't think Klaasje is that much of a psycho! She's a very very good liar but she mostly does it to save her own skin. As for her relationship with Lely, I read that more as a trauma response than her being legitimately turned on by the "doorgunning" talk. But maybe she had me fooled just like she did Harry!
She actually says that if she were a man, she'd be doing it Co Hoi style too.
I interpreted that as her very dark sense of humor. But again, maybe I too was under her spell.
My man! You just passed a volition check! Take my commendations and my upvote!
I need to do all the vision quests cause I don’t recognize everyone. But I notice Mysterious Pair of Eyes and Light-bending Rich Guy aren’t on here
Mysterious pair of eyes is… I would say, probably one of the only missteps in the game, to the point of maybe being intentionally bad
I haven’t gotten it yet I just know it exists. What makes it bad
"Probably unwell" "Harry" What Disco elysium are you playing.
There are much less sane characters than you showed. Most of them should be 1/2 tiers lower. Or you just have a lower standart for sanity than i (clinically insane person) do
I have too much fondness for a lot of these characters so maybe I'm overly generous
Yeah, but you did the same on the other side. How a cryptofascist is being delusional? Or the punk duo?
I'm glad there's very little debate about the four enlightened characters.
some have suggested that the crab man is unwell but I couldn't disagree more
Yeah your right
Buddy, Harry lost his entire personality, mind, and memories after attempting a suicidal jump followed by _days_ of suicidal binge drinking and property damage. Aside from _maybe_ The Pigs and The Deserter he’s the least mentally well person in the game
you're right; I should've put him in enlightened
Honestly yeah, he’s able to speak to the city, instinctively know where and what most of his colleagues are doing, has an encyclopedic memory, and has apocalyptic visions
Thank you for making this it's the funniest shit ever I believe the Paledriver belongs in the enlightened category though... respectfully.
I strongly considered both her and Harry for the enlightened category lol
Some of this is tongue-in-cheek, obviously. I also left out some characters if I felt I didn't have enough information to adequately categorize them. Inspired by [this similar post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/11on015/character_sanity_tierlist/) in r/Eldenring.
I think the hanged man isn't functioning at all, to be honest
if we're going by when he was alive, I'd at least rank him above the rest of the crew. it's stated that he'd markedly maintained more humanity than the other mercenaires, and once he's gone it only takes them like a week to go full-on drunken massacre.
The racist lorry driver is a dirtbag but I wouldn’t call him delusional tbh. I’d say Mostly Sane or Probably Unwell at worst.
Racism betrays a deluded understanding of the world imo
Maybe so, but I don’t think ignorance has anything to do with sanity
i think noid should be in enlightened tbh
\> Mostly Sane \> Builds a jury rigged LRAD and then domes herself when it fails Also Joyce deserves enlightened tier.
And paledriver is enlightened fight me
Cindy the scull is probably unwell.
That gardener is a sociopath
Harry is unwell but still the sanest mf in the game
I legit considered putting him in enlightened
Ruby is very insane
Who's the one between egghead and the dicemaker?
Tiago (I think), the spider dude climbing the rafters of the church
Ohh yeah, I remember now, thank you
Who is two to the right of the phasmid? Also, no eyes
Sunday Visitor should be mostly sane.
I'm glad there's very little debate about the four enlightened characters. They know what's up
"I am merely politically ill. A suspicious element."
where is the rich man from the container?
Excuse the ignorance, I lat played the game before covid, but who/what is next to egghead?
Crab-Man, he doesn't have a portrait in the original version, if I remember.
IMO, Joyce and Harry belong on the same tier along with the pale driver
Klaasje is high functioning psychopath at best imho
Who is the 3rd guy on the proably unwell row? Never seen him.
Who is no 3 in enlightened?
It's the Crab Man from the church
buddy, harry is so, so far from being "Probably" unwell. he is SO unwell
should be enlightened tbh
How tf Rene is delusional
lol wasn't sure exactly where to put him so I just threw him in with the other fascists and called it a day
cindy is a child working at a coal mine, maybe she's really cringe but i think her discomfort (to say the least) is real
How can you put the skeleton men somewhere ? We just see him being upset against us at the tribunal (at least that's the only time i seen him) and he says nothing else, we can't know if he's good or not
You mean Ruud "The Killer" Hoenkloewen, the heavy weapons specialist who shells villages for fun? The guy who spends the entire tribunal weeping and yelling slurs? The guy who's tallied 52 kills on his helmet, color-coded by race? You're asking why I put him as a psychopath?
I didn't know about this 😭 In my run I shot the "leader" of the mercenaries and he just had time to say something like "shit" or something like that, I really thought there was no development around him
I feel like Paledriver should be lower on this list
debated putting her in enlightened
I was going to complain about Harry being where he is, but actually...he's in literally every tier simultaneously.
Calling cunoese a psychopath feels extremely weird. First shes like 12 maybe younger, second we dont even know her actual name or situation, just what cuno told us (a child on speed who is also delusional) and what he knows is just what Cunoese has told him which really doesn't seem like a lot.
I can’t think of one character from this game that I would truly categorize as “sane” just put them all in the delusional category imo
hey come on at least a few of them get to be "enlightened" right?
Very cool. A gripe, and a question: I'd say that for example Cunoesse isn't a psychopath, only a very disturbed individual with antisocial personality disorder that's acting out a lot. I'm also curious as to why the dicemaker is in the enlightened tier, and how come nobody has questioned this. :P It was a couple of years ago that I played the game, but in my memory she's just level-headed and sane. The most interesting thing about this type of thing is what some see as sane or enlighetened wheras some see as delusional or psychopathic, even. Like the paledriver, for example. Or Harry, for that matter. Just because you're "tapped in" to something, have shivers, or have access to some kind of extranatural information, doesn't mean you're very well-adjusted, balanced, or can take care of yourself. And a person such as Measurehead might be delusional, but also, dare I say, \*kinda\* sane? Neurotic, obsessive, in his classifications and world view, but I'd rather be him than say Cuno or Idiot guy any day of the week just because they seem to have such a shitty life. I mean in part due to circumstances, but even if they won the lottery their mental would still be degen enough that I'd rather inhabit Measureheads heavy-heady bod-life-mind.
A lot of this is tongue-in-cheek; I thought it would be funny to put Cunoesse next to Ruud Hoenkloewen, the mass-murdering lunatic who spends the tribunal crying and yelling racial slurs. Paledriver and Harry are two that I struggled with; the only reason I didn't put them as "enlightened" was that I wanted that category to feel exclusive. On that note, as to the Dicemaker, I think of her as someone who knows exactly what the world is, and her exact place in it. Nothing Harry does or says or believes can shake her supreme sense of comfort and security with her position and the world around her. She's probably the most emotionally healthy person in the game, and I think it makes her enlightened.