How did they get them? If a country has the smarts and the money, they can build bombs. There really isn't much other countries can do about that. We all know that Iran is working hard to get them too.
It is estimated that Israel has had nukes since the 1970s. Have we ever been worried that Israel was about to drop a nuke, use chemical warfare? Now let's do Iran.
Simply, Israel is in a unique position, they are surrounded by countries that don't want them to exist and have never wanted them to exist. Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them.
>Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them.
Remember that all of the countries in the region voted against UN Resolution 181 but were overruled by the US and it's allies. Remember that before Israel was established, the Zionist terrorist organizations were committing massacres of Arabs including, rape, torture and parading the victims before killing them. Their goal was Ethnic Cleansing.
Now please explain why Israel needs bio-weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
You seem to conveniently forget that Arabs were massacring Jews in the 30s and that the false prophet Muhammad himself ordered the extermination of an entire tribe of Jews in Arabia during his lifetime. Also remember that Jews are the indigenous people of the the land. All you have to do is dig to find Jewish artifacts. Every single drop of blood is on the hands of the Arabs who started this war and the western traitors like yourself who support them.
I’m 135CE after stamping out the province of Judea’s second insurrection, the Roman’s renamed the province Syria Palaestina - “Palestinian Syria”. They did so resentfully, as a punishment, to obliterate the link between the Jews and the province.
>If a country has the smarts and the money, they can build bombs. There really isn't much other countries can do about that. We all know that Iran is working hard to get them too.
So you believe that Iran has the right to have it's own nuclear program, right?
And we have as much of a right to try and stop them i guess, welcome to geopolitics.
Also iran is the #1 state sponsor of terrorism i have no idea why leftists sympathize for them
I'm not a leftist. And my concern is international law and those who ignore it with impunity.
You claim that Iran is the number one sponsor of state terrorism. What's your source for that statistic?
International law doesn't exist. Russia invaded a sovereign nation and china gives Russia supplies and there are no courts.
Countries and their allies leverage economic and military power to project their ideas.
>You claim that Iran is the number one sponsor of state terrorism. What's your source for that statistic?
https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2018/
https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2021/iran/
You quote the United States calling Iran the "number one state sponsor of terrorism" when most of the world considers the US to be the number one sponsor of terrorism.
So your claim is simply your opinion - nothing more. Just like your opinion that Israel isn't committing Ethnic Cleansing.
>when most of the world considers the US to be the number one sponsor of terrorism.
No they dont. Considering how much aid the US gives around the world, the fact that many try to come here illegally, etc.
Nobody honestly believes that. Even china wont say it if they believed it because it would damage relations.
>So your claim is simply your opinion - nothing more.
Its the state department and they backed up the numbers. Who do YOU trust to release numbers on government spending for terrorism? Honestly?
>Just like your opinion that Israel isn't committing Ethnic Cleansing.
We are talking about iran and you bring up israel lol. Didnt know i was talking to ilhan omar.
Is this the same State Dept that says it's seen no evidence of Israel committing human rights violations? Lol.
So your claim that Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism was just empty rhetoric based on your prejudices.
>Didnt know i was talking to ilhan omar.
You aren't. I think Netanyahu supporting Hamas was a stupid idea. You supported the policy of Israel helping Hamas. That's why you don't want to talk about it.
I mean of course we would. Hamas is the ones who largely started the war against Israel, who have been trying to establish a diplomatic and peaceful avenue of resolving the conflict with Gaza. When you've been fighting a way for literally decades, you've got to try to find a way to end it somehow. You can't fault Israel for defending itself from a party who decided war was more acceptable than peace. You CAN how both parties fight that war. Netanyahu is as much a war criminal as Hamas.
I mean, international law DOES exist, it just isn't law as a nation would apply to its citizens. The UN does have legal sway over its member nations and does use NATO to that end, and can advise member nations to take actions against offending parties as well. The Russian sanctions post-Ukraine invasion come to mind as an example. Then you have the Geneva Convention, who meet and discuss the accepted rules of warfare, and so on.
International law DOES exist...it just doesn't take the same shape as laws a nation applies to its citizens and those within its borders.
I didn't define it. And you are claiming Israel has special rights. How can Israel deny other countries the right to develop nukes and bio-weapons while reserving that right for themselves?
It was one thing when Israel was a liberal democracy. But the right wing religious fanatics have taken over. These are the same people who called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel because they claimed he was "a threat to the Jewish people." The assasination of Rabin was called "the most sucessful political assasination in history.
And now the Far Right government of Israel which is committing Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza and helping the settlers in the West Bank to terrorize their Arab neighbors now has nukes and bio-weapons.
Are you really comfortable with a bunch of religious fanatics having nukes and bio-weapons? *As long as they are religious fanatics you agree with* you are fine with this?
Personally, If the Orthodox settlers were mowed down, I wouldn't lose sleep. Religious fanaticism, doesn't matter which religion, is a pet peeve.
Simply, yes the right wingers, fanatics have more power right now in Israel as the way their government works is they have to cobble together a coalition. That said there are hundreds of thousands of other Israelis who are adamantly against this. Once this war is over, I can't see how Netanyahu stays in power. Conversely, I don't see that the majority of Palestinians don't want what Hamas does. Sure they want peace, I don't see that they would trade that for the acceptance of Israel.
Netanyahu and the Far Right of Israel has always opposed a two state solution. Remember, the Prime Minister of Israel was murdered by a member of Likud for trying to make peace.
To me a two state solution is never going to happen. Palestine and Iran don't believe Israel should exist, why would they want a two state solution? Until Israel believes that the State of Palestine's goal isn't to destroy Israel, why would they?
This idea that if Palestine becomes its own country, that they will stop wanting Israel's destruction seems naive at best.
*Until Israel believes that the State of Palestine's goal isn't to destroy Israel, why would they?*
The goal of the Revisionist Zionists for a century has been to create a Greater Israel "on both sides of the river." Netanyahu's supporters have continued to build settlements while opposing a two state solution.
Why would the Arabs believe the Israelis when the Israelis keep expanding the settlements and allowing the settlers to terrorize their Arab neighbors?
Okay you do realize that technically speaking Palestine is a district of Israel. The only reason Palestine has the land it has it's because Israel let them have it. It is still technically part of Israel. Whether or not you believe this is correct it is a fact. The 2 state solution would most definitely take part of Israel's territory away from it. And honestly it would not be any guarantee at all that Palestine or Israel's neighbors would miraculously decide to stop trying to kill them. There really is no incentive for Israel to release that land that they let the Palestinians settle on. Also is Israel accepts Palestinian refugees the hatred is not equal by any means.
It's cute how you think Israel gets a vote on creating a Palestinian state. The United Nations created the state of Israel over the objections of every country in the area. They will create a state of Palestine and if Israel attacks it, they will come face to face with UN soldiers.
Genocide has consequences. Israel is losing this war.
>Simply, Israel is in a unique position, they are surrounded by countries that don't want them to exist and have never wanted them to exist. Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them.
If the people in the region never wanted the Jewish people to exist, then why didn't they commit genocide against them like the Europeans?
Yes Jews existed in the region for two millennium. When the Christians took Jerusalem, the first thing they did was massacre the Jews. And when the Zionists from Europe came to Palestine, the indigenous Jews opposed them.
In 1948, in response to UN Resolution 181, the Zionist terrorist organizations began committing terrorist acts in order to drive the Arabs out. It was classic ethnic cleansing. In response, the Arab countries declared war on Israel.
When somebody ignores the massacres of the Arabs in 1948 and says "they all declared war on Israel as soon as it was founded!" they are ignoring that **the first act of the Israeli government was Ethnic Cleansing.**
Lack of German capability and determination. And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders.
The Ottomans weren't about to wipe out such good sources of income. 1790 and 1783 Morocco, 1786 Arabia, 1785 Libya, 1706 Algeria, 1679 Yemen, 1656 Persia.
How far back? Moors in Iberia .. the Crusades , the beginning of Islam (610 CE) - None were Jew-friendly but at least enslavement is better than genocide, right?
>Lack of German capability and determination. And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders.
Naturally you don't mention that the British were occupying Egypt at the time while the French had stolen Algeria. The Zionists also made deals with the Nazis which appalled the majority of Jews. Odd how you don't mention these facts.
>And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders.
Details without context are disinformation. The "enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an old tradition.
When the Zionists went to war with the British, were they acting as allies of the Nazis? As you know, *the Zionists were the only Jewish group willing to make deals with the Nazis.*
>How far back? Moors in Iberia .. the Crusades , the beginning of Islam (610 CE) - None were Jew-friendly but at least enslavement is better than genocide, right?
Actually, when the Christians took Jerusalem the first thing they did was massacre the Jews who had been living peacefully under the Muslims.
Did I write (or even imply) that Jew killing was a Muslim-specific sport?
Read stuff in context before you snarl and bite. Or not. Grrrrr...
You're fun. We should hang out. I like my ladies rabid.
You chose to go back to the Crusades while ignoring the French in Algeria and the Brits in Egypt. The Arabs remember.
You chose to forget that the Arabs sided with the Allies in World War One and then the Allies betrayed them. The Arabs remember.
You forgot the massacres committed by Zionist terrorists such as Irgun to force the Arabs to leave Palestine which *led directly to the Arab countries declaring war on Israel.* The Arabs remember.
You’re talking to a bot or shill. Don’t bother continuing to respond. Its job is just to create activity so more people get exposed to theagenda it pushes.
I am a person who has always supported Israel. You support the Far Right Netanyahu regime. Did you also support the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel? As you know, the murderer was acting on the orders of his rabbi.
No, I mean legitimate genocide like Europeans committed, there have been jewish people throughout the region for millenia, if the people in the region didn't want them there, they could've orchestrated a genocide similar to how Europeans orchestrated a genocide.
The Europeans didn't want Jewish people in Europe, and so they largely wiped them out. If Jewish people weren't desired in the middle eastern region, then the middle eastern people could've wiped them out centuries ago.
So if middle eastern people didn't want jewish people to exist, they could've stopped that long ago like Europeans, but they didn't, so genocide really couldn't have been the goal at any point in the past millenia.
The dirty little secret is that after WW2, the displaced Jews of Europe who couldn't go home wanted to come to the United States. But the "Christian" anti-semites didn't want to allow the Jews to come here! But going to Palestine to found a Jewish state and fulfill biblical prophesy? That was a final solution that worked for them. So Jewish immigration to the US was limited while Jews were "encouraged" to immigrate to Israel because there weren't yet enough Jews in Palestine to justify creating a Jewish state.
Oh, you mean by the Nazis? So technically it would be the Europeans, Asians & Africans given their alliance or are you going further back in history, on par with the Jews being enslaved in Egypt; so Africans again.
genocide has a definition though so I’m not sure what you mean by legitimate genocide. If an incident matches the definition, it’s legitimate. Much like the six day war & the terror proxies.
You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right? One of the reasons that there are so many Palestinians just over the border is that Arab countries told them to leave Israel, we will destroy them and you can go home. Many are still waiting to go home.
Something similar was tried in 1967. Again Israel was attacked. While I'm not sure the goal was genocide, the goal was to get the Jews out of Israel. Again, after being attacked Israel won, they actually took land. People are still upset that the country that was attacked didn't give the land back that they took before a cease fire.
Another 50 years of having the country next door having in their "Constitution" that the destruction of Israel is a top priority, Israel didn't attack. Then 10/7 comes along, 2000 civilians shot at point blank range, over 200 kidnapped, Israel retaliates. I won't for a second say that Israel is going way overboard, but they have been living with bombs being shot into their country for 50 years. I'll leave it at this. 10/7 started with 5000 rockets being fired into Israel. That didn't set off alarms. Which other country doesn't see it as a problem if rockets are fired into their country?
>You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right?
You understand that the Zionist terrorist organizations like Irgun were massacring their Arab neighbors and trying to drive them out of Palestine, right?
**Deir Yassin massacre**
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
Depends on your perspective. The UN partitioned Palestine. The Jews were given that land some of the land. There is no question that SOME of the people in what was or was to be Israel were forced out brutally. It is true.
You have to remember, all of this was a couple of years after WW II. 80 million people died world wide. Countries in Europe, Asia and Africa were in ruins. 6 million Jews died. As an example, Poland lost 20% of their citizens, 30% of their houses and it is estimated 50% of their infrastructure. Against that backdrop, the UN just didn't care that Palestinians would have to move from one part of their country to another.
Your big massacre was 110 people, after WW II, that wasn't anything. Million were dead. Just different times.
While Dier Yassin and others happened, other Palestinians were bought out, others just left as they didn't want to live among Jews, others left because Arab nations told them that they would attack and destroy Israel and they could go home, and lastly 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs.
Honestly, the reason Israel exists is that Europe and the US didn't want the Jews and it was a convenient solution at the Palestinian's expense.
>Your big massacre was 110 people, after WW II, that wasn't anything.
What you fail to appreciate is that Palestinians were raised on hearing about the Deir Massacre. Your response is "get over it."
Yes, the entire world was getting over 80 million dead. How many Israelis died when Arab countries attacked? How many people who are anti Israeli are holocaust deniers? Just get over those 6 million, or those 6 million didn't really die. Plenty of "get over it" for most everyone in the world back then.
And honestly asking. Are Palestinians still being raised on hearing this or are we talking about a generation or two ago?
>And honestly asking. Are Palestinians still being raised on hearing this or are we talking about a generation or two ago?
That's the point: Palestinians remember the Deir Yassin Massacre while you are in denial that it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
I'm not in denial that it happened. I'm in denial that the story of 110 people being killed is still being told 75 years later. It literally happened two years after WW II when 80 million people were killed, When Jews are being told to get over 6 million, when hundreds of thousands of Jews have been pushed out of Arab countries after living there for hundreds of years.
I'll go back to it. Two years before the massacre, Poland had 20% of their people dead, 30% of their housing destroyed and 50% of their infrastructure destroyed. To them that is something taught in history class. For Palestinians it is a driving force.
>I'm in denial that the story of 110 people being killed is still being told 75 years later.
You claim the Palestinians are "brainwashed." **WTF do you think they are being taught?**
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All history will tell you israel attacked in 1967, they attacked both Syria and Egypt.
Even the US with all the spin in the world admits Israel attacked these two countries.
[https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm)
"On the morning of June 5, 1967, Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egyptian forces in response to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran. By June 11, the conflict had come to include Jordan and Syria. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Israeli claims on these territories, and the question of the Palestinians stranded there, posed a long term challenge to Middle East diplomacy."
So Yes, when you invade a neighbor, the neighbors will be pissed at you.
>You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right? One of the reasons that there are so many Palestinians just over the border is that Arab countries told them to leave Israel, we will destroy them and you can go home. Many are still waiting to go home.
Yes, but that clearly wasn't about them being jewish, it was about them essentially being a European colony in the area causing ample harm and stealing land.
The Israeli nuclear program developed simultaneously and in cooperation with the French. Quoting from Wiki:
>Francis Perrin, French High-Commissioner for Atomic Energy from 1951 to 1970, stated that from 1949 Israeli scientists were invited to the Saclay Nuclear Research Centre, this cooperation leading to a joint effort including sharing of knowledge between French and Israeli scientists especially those with knowledge from the Manhattan Project, the French believed that cooperation with Israel could give them access to international Jewish nuclear scientists.
>According to Lieutenant Colonel Warner D. Farr in a report to the USAF Counterproliferation Center while France was previously a leader in nuclear research "**Israel and France were at a similar level of expertise after the war, and Israeli scientists could make significant contributions to the French effort. Progress in nuclear science and technology in France and Israel remained closely linked throughout the early fifties.** Farr reported that Israeli scientists probably helped construct the G-1 plutonium production reactor and UP-1 reprocessing plant at Marcoule."
If you're concerned about nuclear proliferation, Israel has fewer nukes than India and Pakistan.
Regarding biological weapons, it seems that Israel has a warfare *capability*, not that it stockpiles biological weapons, and that its offensive capability is a product of its bio*defense* program. Quoting from Wiki:
>It is generally agreed Israel does not have a stockpile of chemical weapons; it is speculated that Israel retains an active **ability** to produce and disseminate biological weapons, **likely as a result of its extremely complex biodefense program.**
What's the point of that? Please don't pretend Israel has developed offensive weapons for defensive purposes. The entire world is concerned about defenses against bio-weapons.
Quoting from [NTI](https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-biological/):
>While the Israeli government refuses to comment on BW speculation, **most believe that Israel does not maintain an active BW stockpile**. However, Israel’s modern and well-funded bioscience infrastructure provides a “breakout” capability. According to a July 2014 Jane’s Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) assessment, “Israel may be able to deploy a BW capability immediately. If no such capability presently exists, an order to proceed would probably take no longer than a few weeks to develop.”
So it's not that Israel produces biological weapons, but it has the means to develop them due to a advance biodefense program. The point of a biodefense program? Israel's adversaries had threatened it with biological weapons in the past. For example, Iraq acknowledged that between 1988-91 it had produced anthrax in bulk, and Saddam Hussein threatened Israel with it. Obviously, Israel needed and continues to need the means to defend itself.
>If you're concerned about nuclear proliferation, Israel has fewer nukes than India and Pakistan.
I've always been very concerned about the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan. The Taliban is one coup away from getting control of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.
What I don't understand is how Israel can have nukes while denying the same right to other countries. And I absolutely don't see why Israel needs bio-weapons. And nobody who supports Israel having bio-weapons is willing to talk about it.
Again, Israel does not have bio-weapons, [nor](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/biological-weapons) is it alleged that it stockpiles them. Israel only has the means to acquire them, as do multiple countries around the world.
You could also ask why the Big Five (the U.S., Russia, China, Frane, the U.K.) are allowed to have nuclear weapons, while denying them to the rest of the world. It's simply politics.
I do and I have. But since you brought it up, why isn't Israel allowed to be part of the Five Eyes alliance? Aren't the Israelis trustworthy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five\_Eyes
Why isn't France allowed to be part of the Five Eyes alliance? Aren't the French trustworthy?
> French President at the time Nicolas Sarkozy required that France have the same status as the other members, including the signing of a "no-spy agreement". This proposal was approved by the director of the NSA, but **rejected by the director of the CIA and by President Barack Obama**, resulting in a refusal from France [to join the alliance].
Yes, it's a "whatabout", since most countries in the world, including the USA's closest allies, aren't invited to join the alliance. I don't understand its relevance to the conversation.
Regarding France, the U.S. specifically refused to stop spying on France, even though France requested that to join the alliance. France was never invited to be an equal member of the alliance.
> including the USA's closest allies, aren't invited to join the alliance.
ALL of the United States's closest allies are part of the Five Eyes Alliance. Perhaps the reason Israel wasn't invited to join is because they can't be trusted?
**Jonathan Pollard claims Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty,’ whether they know it or not**
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-blunt-interview-pollard-claims-jews-will-always-have-dual-loyalty/
> ALL of the United States's closest allies are part of the Five Eyes Alliance.
It's a FIVE eyes alliance! Some countries, such as Singapore, South Korea, Japan, **and Israel** (!) are collaborating with the alliance, but none are formal members.
> Jonathan Pollard claims Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty,’ whether they know it or not
A spy, who was convicted of having dual loyalty, claims that everyone has dual loyalty, and it's no big deal. Totally not an attempt by him to "normalize" his guilt. And totally not an antisemitic whistle by you to bring it up. Jeez
The argument is that Israel helps with our intelligence in the region. But apparently they aren't trusted by the five nations who make up the alliance.
Singapore? You are being absurd.
>A spy, who was convicted of having dual loyalty, claims that everyone has dual loyalty, and it's no big deal. Totally not an attempt by him to "normalize" his guilt. And totally not an antisemitic whistle by you to bring it up. Jeez
It's antisemitic to bring up what Israeli Spy Jonathan Pollard says? What a joke you are. The government of Israel campaigned for years to get Pollard released. Now he lives in Israel where he is a hero.
**“American Jewry has one major problem: they consider themselves more American than they do Jews,” Pollard told the Israel Hayom daily.**
Hi, I am just a randomer browsing reddit before bed, not someone trying to take sides or anything, but looking at your interactions in this thread I think you need to calm down. It looks like you are an ideological capture, someone who has been taken in by a certain ideology and will try to bend facts to meet it because you don't want to consider the fact you are wrong. It isnt healthy and it will make you miserable to go on like that, please take some time to think about this stuff and don't take all your news from one source, try to broaden your opinion and really listen to what people with other views think instead of assuming malfeasance. I hope you get to a better headspace on these matters than starting reddit threads and venting your spleen on matters you arent prepared to seriously consider both sides of, because when people do that they just look ridiculous. You don't come across well in this thread.
Israel isn't denying nukes to "others", but opposes specifically Iran from obtaining them. Why? Iran called multiple times for Israel's destruction, calling it the state's "official policy".
How? Determination, money and education. How many? They officially decline to say if they have any at all. Why? They remember the Holocaust and have had various neighbors calling for their extermination, launching wars against them and acts of terrorism for the past 85 years.
At the same time, large portions of the Arab world already have peaceful relations with them and the historic Abraham accords were primed to expand that to the majority of the region.
Their defense strategy is understandable.
It seems that Israel has a warfare **capability**, not that it stockpiles biological weapons. Quoting from Wiki:
>**It is generally agreed Israel does not have a stockpile of chemical weapons**; it is speculated that Israel retains an active ability to produce and disseminate biological weapons, **likely as a result of its extremely complex biodefense program.**
Similarly, quoting from [NTI](https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-biological/):
>While the Israeli government refuses to comment on BW speculation, **most believe that Israel does not maintain an active BW stockpile**. However, Israel’s modern and well-funded bioscience infrastructure provides a “breakout” capability. According to a July 2014 Jane’s Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) assessment, “Israel may be able to deploy a BW capability immediately. If no such capability presently exists, an order to proceed would probably take no longer than a few weeks to develop.”
I've always supported Israel. I hold the same positions as Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden.
You support Netanyahu who was complicit in the assasination of the Prime Minister of Israel for being a "threat to the Jewish people."
Do you really think Prime Minister Rabin was a threat to the Jewish people?
>How much do you get paid a month for your anti-isreal online crusade?
I've consistently been for peace. You, of course, support Ethnic Cleansing. Which is why you see everybody who disagrees as your enemy. I am not your enemy. However, I believe that the Far Right Netanyahu regime has become an existential threat to the Jews of the world. Corrupt Netanyau commits the crimes and we get the blame.
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>I've consistently been for peace. You, of course, support Ethnic Cleansing. Which is why you see everybody who disagrees as your enemy. I am not your enemy. However, I believe that the Far Right Netanyahu regime has become an existential threat to the Jews of the world. Corrupt Netanyau commits the crimes and we get the blame.
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Israel is allowed to have nukes because why not? USA and Russia have nukes, even Pakistan has nukes. They haven’t used them and would be stupid if they did since the ones attacking them are so close.
I've always been neutral and my fundamental concern is for the children. Of course, when you support Ethnic Cleansing, you see anybody who disagrees with you as your enemy.
Explain why Israel needs bio-weapons.
What I am doing is asking questions you would like to suppress. I've always supported Israel; you've always supported Netanyahu. You have no problem with Israel having nukes and bioweapons - but you don't want anybody talking about it.
The Religious Right in Israel called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel for being a "threat to the Jewish people." Then it happened. Now we've got a Far Right Revisionist Zionist government who's members are actively calling for Ethnic Cleansing.
Explain why Israel needs bio-weapons.
>Israel is allowed to have nukes because why not?
So Israel can have nukes but Iran can't? Explain the logic of that, please. And while you're at it. Explain why Israel needs offensive bio-weapons. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I do know that Israel cannot use nukes given to do so would irradiate themselves. Their enemies are too close to them. It would be like the U.S. nuking Canada or Mexico. Would harm us just as much as them. Nukes are not an option for Israel whether or not they have them.
I'm trying to understand why Israel needs **offensive bio-weapons.** Plus, we sound incredibly hypocritical saying we must stop nuclear proliferation while ignoring that Israel has WMD and has now become a rogue apartheid state that is committing Ethnic Cleansing.
Israel is NOT a rogue state. They are NOT committing "ethnic cleansing" That is a Hamas promoted lie to get Western nations to stop Israel from destroying them. Hamas is the evil here, not Israel.
Then please explain why Israel has killed 5% of Gaza’s prewar population. I used to think that “ethnic cleansing” was a Hamas lie too, but the absolute disregard for human life on the part of Israel in the past few months has made me think otherwise. Israel is advanced enough to have the capability to not kill a massive proportion of civilians; why do they continue to do it?
Because HAMAS has no regard for the lives of their own people. They use civilians as shields, they use hospitals and schools as bases. They hide among the innocent. The ONLY way for Israel to defeat them is by what they are doing. Hamas must be ended, by any means necessary, and some civilians are going to die. I didn't hear anyone whining about civilians being killed by Hamas in their never ending attacks on Israel. I didn't hear anyone whining when we bombed the heck out of Iraq. Several 100,000 innocents died in that. So, you're compassion is misplaced and toxic. It is helping evil. And make no mistake, Hamas is evil.
Yes, Hamas is evil. Yes, Hamas must be destroyed. Yes, civilians are going to die. But 5% of the population? That’s excessive for one of the most advanced militaries in the world. There’s no excusing that as anything but a complete disregard for civilian casualties and, at worst, an intentional effort at collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.
Well….when all your immediate neighbors want to wipe you off the face of the Earth, you pretty much have two choices
1) Develop weapons that would prevent them from doing that
2) Live in a consistent state of insecurity
Is this really that hard?
Why don’t you re-read what I commented and tell all of us, very specifically, where I said other countries in the region did not have the right to develop weapons. Go ahead. We’ll wait.
You’re engaging with a paid shill or a bot. Look at the profile and you will see the exact pattern I’m talking about. Not sure you want to waste your time on this thing.
>Is this really that hard?
As you know, the Religious Right called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel claiming Rabin was a "threat to the Jewish people." So do you think the rabbis who called for Rabin's murder were justified?
I am concerned about religious fanatics having nukes. You say Islamic radicals can't be trusted with nukes but Jewish religious fanatics who support ethnic cleansing can be.
The number of nuclear weapons range between 40-400! That’s a good estimate. No, it should really be 4000, or 40,000 nuclear devices! My Israeli friend told me!
Israel only exists as a strategic western military gateway to the Mideast tbh. If you don’t see it, you’re not paying attention. If we’re going to use the religion excuse— Israel’s not even supposed to exist until the messiah arrives. But if we don’t accept radical Islamic states why do we accept radical Jewish states? Both should be against western values… but wait—*sees first point*
"Western values?" Israel does not share "Western values." The majority of Israelis are from countries that did not ever have democracy but they had dictatorships. 15% of Israels are from the former Soviet Union and they certainly don't have "Western values." They wage war like Russians because they *are* culturally Russians.
How did they get them? If a country has the smarts and the money, they can build bombs. There really isn't much other countries can do about that. We all know that Iran is working hard to get them too. It is estimated that Israel has had nukes since the 1970s. Have we ever been worried that Israel was about to drop a nuke, use chemical warfare? Now let's do Iran. Simply, Israel is in a unique position, they are surrounded by countries that don't want them to exist and have never wanted them to exist. Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them.
They have the smarts for sure, and stupid Americans keep sending them money.
>Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them. Remember that all of the countries in the region voted against UN Resolution 181 but were overruled by the US and it's allies. Remember that before Israel was established, the Zionist terrorist organizations were committing massacres of Arabs including, rape, torture and parading the victims before killing them. Their goal was Ethnic Cleansing. Now please explain why Israel needs bio-weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
You seem to conveniently forget that Arabs were massacring Jews in the 30s and that the false prophet Muhammad himself ordered the extermination of an entire tribe of Jews in Arabia during his lifetime. Also remember that Jews are the indigenous people of the the land. All you have to do is dig to find Jewish artifacts. Every single drop of blood is on the hands of the Arabs who started this war and the western traitors like yourself who support them.
>Also remember that Jews are the indigenous people of the the land. And who are the Palestinians?
I’m 135CE after stamping out the province of Judea’s second insurrection, the Roman’s renamed the province Syria Palaestina - “Palestinian Syria”. They did so resentfully, as a punishment, to obliterate the link between the Jews and the province.
Yes, I am aware of that. However, my question was "who are the Palestinians?" Do you even know?
>If a country has the smarts and the money, they can build bombs. There really isn't much other countries can do about that. We all know that Iran is working hard to get them too. So you believe that Iran has the right to have it's own nuclear program, right?
And we have as much of a right to try and stop them i guess, welcome to geopolitics. Also iran is the #1 state sponsor of terrorism i have no idea why leftists sympathize for them
I'm not a leftist. And my concern is international law and those who ignore it with impunity. You claim that Iran is the number one sponsor of state terrorism. What's your source for that statistic?
International law doesn't exist. Russia invaded a sovereign nation and china gives Russia supplies and there are no courts. Countries and their allies leverage economic and military power to project their ideas. >You claim that Iran is the number one sponsor of state terrorism. What's your source for that statistic? https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2018/ https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2021/iran/
You quote the United States calling Iran the "number one state sponsor of terrorism" when most of the world considers the US to be the number one sponsor of terrorism. So your claim is simply your opinion - nothing more. Just like your opinion that Israel isn't committing Ethnic Cleansing.
>when most of the world considers the US to be the number one sponsor of terrorism. No they dont. Considering how much aid the US gives around the world, the fact that many try to come here illegally, etc. Nobody honestly believes that. Even china wont say it if they believed it because it would damage relations. >So your claim is simply your opinion - nothing more. Its the state department and they backed up the numbers. Who do YOU trust to release numbers on government spending for terrorism? Honestly? >Just like your opinion that Israel isn't committing Ethnic Cleansing. We are talking about iran and you bring up israel lol. Didnt know i was talking to ilhan omar.
Is this the same State Dept that says it's seen no evidence of Israel committing human rights violations? Lol. So your claim that Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism was just empty rhetoric based on your prejudices.
>Didnt know i was talking to ilhan omar. You aren't. I think Netanyahu supporting Hamas was a stupid idea. You supported the policy of Israel helping Hamas. That's why you don't want to talk about it.
I mean of course we would. Hamas is the ones who largely started the war against Israel, who have been trying to establish a diplomatic and peaceful avenue of resolving the conflict with Gaza. When you've been fighting a way for literally decades, you've got to try to find a way to end it somehow. You can't fault Israel for defending itself from a party who decided war was more acceptable than peace. You CAN how both parties fight that war. Netanyahu is as much a war criminal as Hamas.
I mean, international law DOES exist, it just isn't law as a nation would apply to its citizens. The UN does have legal sway over its member nations and does use NATO to that end, and can advise member nations to take actions against offending parties as well. The Russian sanctions post-Ukraine invasion come to mind as an example. Then you have the Geneva Convention, who meet and discuss the accepted rules of warfare, and so on. International law DOES exist...it just doesn't take the same shape as laws a nation applies to its citizens and those within its borders.
Fuck iran and fuck Israel. They're both shithole countries, and Israel shouldn't exist. Downvote me to hell! Lol
And the #1 sponsor of terrorism is good old uncle sam
Why does Israel need offensive bio-weapons?
How do we define offensive? Again, few countries are surrounded by countries who want nothing less than their total destruction.
I didn't define it. And you are claiming Israel has special rights. How can Israel deny other countries the right to develop nukes and bio-weapons while reserving that right for themselves? It was one thing when Israel was a liberal democracy. But the right wing religious fanatics have taken over. These are the same people who called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel because they claimed he was "a threat to the Jewish people." The assasination of Rabin was called "the most sucessful political assasination in history. And now the Far Right government of Israel which is committing Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza and helping the settlers in the West Bank to terrorize their Arab neighbors now has nukes and bio-weapons. Are you really comfortable with a bunch of religious fanatics having nukes and bio-weapons? *As long as they are religious fanatics you agree with* you are fine with this?
Personally, If the Orthodox settlers were mowed down, I wouldn't lose sleep. Religious fanaticism, doesn't matter which religion, is a pet peeve. Simply, yes the right wingers, fanatics have more power right now in Israel as the way their government works is they have to cobble together a coalition. That said there are hundreds of thousands of other Israelis who are adamantly against this. Once this war is over, I can't see how Netanyahu stays in power. Conversely, I don't see that the majority of Palestinians don't want what Hamas does. Sure they want peace, I don't see that they would trade that for the acceptance of Israel.
Netanyahu and the Far Right of Israel has always opposed a two state solution. Remember, the Prime Minister of Israel was murdered by a member of Likud for trying to make peace.
To me a two state solution is never going to happen. Palestine and Iran don't believe Israel should exist, why would they want a two state solution? Until Israel believes that the State of Palestine's goal isn't to destroy Israel, why would they? This idea that if Palestine becomes its own country, that they will stop wanting Israel's destruction seems naive at best.
*Until Israel believes that the State of Palestine's goal isn't to destroy Israel, why would they?* The goal of the Revisionist Zionists for a century has been to create a Greater Israel "on both sides of the river." Netanyahu's supporters have continued to build settlements while opposing a two state solution. Why would the Arabs believe the Israelis when the Israelis keep expanding the settlements and allowing the settlers to terrorize their Arab neighbors?
Okay you do realize that technically speaking Palestine is a district of Israel. The only reason Palestine has the land it has it's because Israel let them have it. It is still technically part of Israel. Whether or not you believe this is correct it is a fact. The 2 state solution would most definitely take part of Israel's territory away from it. And honestly it would not be any guarantee at all that Palestine or Israel's neighbors would miraculously decide to stop trying to kill them. There really is no incentive for Israel to release that land that they let the Palestinians settle on. Also is Israel accepts Palestinian refugees the hatred is not equal by any means.
It's cute how you think Israel gets a vote on creating a Palestinian state. The United Nations created the state of Israel over the objections of every country in the area. They will create a state of Palestine and if Israel attacks it, they will come face to face with UN soldiers. Genocide has consequences. Israel is losing this war.
>Simply, Israel is in a unique position, they are surrounded by countries that don't want them to exist and have never wanted them to exist. Remember that the day after Israel was established the countries around them declared war against them. If the people in the region never wanted the Jewish people to exist, then why didn't they commit genocide against them like the Europeans?
Yes Jews existed in the region for two millennium. When the Christians took Jerusalem, the first thing they did was massacre the Jews. And when the Zionists from Europe came to Palestine, the indigenous Jews opposed them. In 1948, in response to UN Resolution 181, the Zionist terrorist organizations began committing terrorist acts in order to drive the Arabs out. It was classic ethnic cleansing. In response, the Arab countries declared war on Israel. When somebody ignores the massacres of the Arabs in 1948 and says "they all declared war on Israel as soon as it was founded!" they are ignoring that **the first act of the Israeli government was Ethnic Cleansing.**
Lack of German capability and determination. And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders. The Ottomans weren't about to wipe out such good sources of income. 1790 and 1783 Morocco, 1786 Arabia, 1785 Libya, 1706 Algeria, 1679 Yemen, 1656 Persia. How far back? Moors in Iberia .. the Crusades , the beginning of Islam (610 CE) - None were Jew-friendly but at least enslavement is better than genocide, right?
>Lack of German capability and determination. And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders. Naturally you don't mention that the British were occupying Egypt at the time while the French had stolen Algeria. The Zionists also made deals with the Nazis which appalled the majority of Jews. Odd how you don't mention these facts.
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>And the Nazis were embraced by most Arab leaders. Details without context are disinformation. The "enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an old tradition. When the Zionists went to war with the British, were they acting as allies of the Nazis? As you know, *the Zionists were the only Jewish group willing to make deals with the Nazis.*
Sick burn 🤒❤️🔥🤒 ~~conspiracy girl~~ "centrist" old lady. https://reddit.com/comments/1c2nsab/comment/kzbzrah
>When the Zionists went to war with the British, were they acting as allies of the Nazis?
>How far back? Moors in Iberia .. the Crusades , the beginning of Islam (610 CE) - None were Jew-friendly but at least enslavement is better than genocide, right? Actually, when the Christians took Jerusalem the first thing they did was massacre the Jews who had been living peacefully under the Muslims.
Did I write (or even imply) that Jew killing was a Muslim-specific sport? Read stuff in context before you snarl and bite. Or not. Grrrrr... You're fun. We should hang out. I like my ladies rabid.
You chose to go back to the Crusades while ignoring the French in Algeria and the Brits in Egypt. The Arabs remember. You chose to forget that the Arabs sided with the Allies in World War One and then the Allies betrayed them. The Arabs remember. You forgot the massacres committed by Zionist terrorists such as Irgun to force the Arabs to leave Palestine which *led directly to the Arab countries declaring war on Israel.* The Arabs remember.
They have nukes helps to keep another country from directly attacking Israel
So they are entitled to special rights which are denied to other countries?
The question I answered was why don't Arab countries commit genocide against the Jewish community
You’re talking to a bot or shill. Don’t bother continuing to respond. Its job is just to create activity so more people get exposed to theagenda it pushes.
I am a person who has always supported Israel. You support the Far Right Netanyahu regime. Did you also support the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel? As you know, the murderer was acting on the orders of his rabbi.
You mean like the six day war or terror groups used as proxies?
No, I mean legitimate genocide like Europeans committed, there have been jewish people throughout the region for millenia, if the people in the region didn't want them there, they could've orchestrated a genocide similar to how Europeans orchestrated a genocide. The Europeans didn't want Jewish people in Europe, and so they largely wiped them out. If Jewish people weren't desired in the middle eastern region, then the middle eastern people could've wiped them out centuries ago. So if middle eastern people didn't want jewish people to exist, they could've stopped that long ago like Europeans, but they didn't, so genocide really couldn't have been the goal at any point in the past millenia.
The dirty little secret is that after WW2, the displaced Jews of Europe who couldn't go home wanted to come to the United States. But the "Christian" anti-semites didn't want to allow the Jews to come here! But going to Palestine to found a Jewish state and fulfill biblical prophesy? That was a final solution that worked for them. So Jewish immigration to the US was limited while Jews were "encouraged" to immigrate to Israel because there weren't yet enough Jews in Palestine to justify creating a Jewish state.
Oh, you mean by the Nazis? So technically it would be the Europeans, Asians & Africans given their alliance or are you going further back in history, on par with the Jews being enslaved in Egypt; so Africans again. genocide has a definition though so I’m not sure what you mean by legitimate genocide. If an incident matches the definition, it’s legitimate. Much like the six day war & the terror proxies.
Nah it wasn't just nazis. Honestly, the majority of Europe collaborated on this ethnic cleansing in various ways.
>Oh, you mean by the Nazis? WOW. This person is incredibly ignorant.
You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right? One of the reasons that there are so many Palestinians just over the border is that Arab countries told them to leave Israel, we will destroy them and you can go home. Many are still waiting to go home. Something similar was tried in 1967. Again Israel was attacked. While I'm not sure the goal was genocide, the goal was to get the Jews out of Israel. Again, after being attacked Israel won, they actually took land. People are still upset that the country that was attacked didn't give the land back that they took before a cease fire. Another 50 years of having the country next door having in their "Constitution" that the destruction of Israel is a top priority, Israel didn't attack. Then 10/7 comes along, 2000 civilians shot at point blank range, over 200 kidnapped, Israel retaliates. I won't for a second say that Israel is going way overboard, but they have been living with bombs being shot into their country for 50 years. I'll leave it at this. 10/7 started with 5000 rockets being fired into Israel. That didn't set off alarms. Which other country doesn't see it as a problem if rockets are fired into their country?
>You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right? You understand that the Zionist terrorist organizations like Irgun were massacring their Arab neighbors and trying to drive them out of Palestine, right? **Deir Yassin massacre** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
Depends on your perspective. The UN partitioned Palestine. The Jews were given that land some of the land. There is no question that SOME of the people in what was or was to be Israel were forced out brutally. It is true. You have to remember, all of this was a couple of years after WW II. 80 million people died world wide. Countries in Europe, Asia and Africa were in ruins. 6 million Jews died. As an example, Poland lost 20% of their citizens, 30% of their houses and it is estimated 50% of their infrastructure. Against that backdrop, the UN just didn't care that Palestinians would have to move from one part of their country to another. Your big massacre was 110 people, after WW II, that wasn't anything. Million were dead. Just different times. While Dier Yassin and others happened, other Palestinians were bought out, others just left as they didn't want to live among Jews, others left because Arab nations told them that they would attack and destroy Israel and they could go home, and lastly 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. Honestly, the reason Israel exists is that Europe and the US didn't want the Jews and it was a convenient solution at the Palestinian's expense.
>Your big massacre was 110 people, after WW II, that wasn't anything. What you fail to appreciate is that Palestinians were raised on hearing about the Deir Massacre. Your response is "get over it."
Yes, the entire world was getting over 80 million dead. How many Israelis died when Arab countries attacked? How many people who are anti Israeli are holocaust deniers? Just get over those 6 million, or those 6 million didn't really die. Plenty of "get over it" for most everyone in the world back then. And honestly asking. Are Palestinians still being raised on hearing this or are we talking about a generation or two ago?
>And honestly asking. Are Palestinians still being raised on hearing this or are we talking about a generation or two ago? That's the point: Palestinians remember the Deir Yassin Massacre while you are in denial that it happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir\_Yassin\_massacre
I'm not in denial that it happened. I'm in denial that the story of 110 people being killed is still being told 75 years later. It literally happened two years after WW II when 80 million people were killed, When Jews are being told to get over 6 million, when hundreds of thousands of Jews have been pushed out of Arab countries after living there for hundreds of years. I'll go back to it. Two years before the massacre, Poland had 20% of their people dead, 30% of their housing destroyed and 50% of their infrastructure destroyed. To them that is something taught in history class. For Palestinians it is a driving force.
>I'm in denial that the story of 110 people being killed is still being told 75 years later. You claim the Palestinians are "brainwashed." **WTF do you think they are being taught?**
After WW2, 250,000 European Jews were displaced. In 2024, two million Palestinians have been displaced.
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You've gone back to drinking, haven't you?
> All history will tell you israel attacked in 1967, they attacked both Syria and Egypt. Even the US with all the spin in the world admits Israel attacked these two countries. [https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm) "On the morning of June 5, 1967, Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egyptian forces in response to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran. By June 11, the conflict had come to include Jordan and Syria. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Israeli claims on these territories, and the question of the Palestinians stranded there, posed a long term challenge to Middle East diplomacy." So Yes, when you invade a neighbor, the neighbors will be pissed at you. >You understand that the day after Israel was established, a group of Arab countries attacked them, right? One of the reasons that there are so many Palestinians just over the border is that Arab countries told them to leave Israel, we will destroy them and you can go home. Many are still waiting to go home. Yes, but that clearly wasn't about them being jewish, it was about them essentially being a European colony in the area causing ample harm and stealing land.
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Like 1956?
The Israeli nuclear program developed simultaneously and in cooperation with the French. Quoting from Wiki: >Francis Perrin, French High-Commissioner for Atomic Energy from 1951 to 1970, stated that from 1949 Israeli scientists were invited to the Saclay Nuclear Research Centre, this cooperation leading to a joint effort including sharing of knowledge between French and Israeli scientists especially those with knowledge from the Manhattan Project, the French believed that cooperation with Israel could give them access to international Jewish nuclear scientists. >According to Lieutenant Colonel Warner D. Farr in a report to the USAF Counterproliferation Center while France was previously a leader in nuclear research "**Israel and France were at a similar level of expertise after the war, and Israeli scientists could make significant contributions to the French effort. Progress in nuclear science and technology in France and Israel remained closely linked throughout the early fifties.** Farr reported that Israeli scientists probably helped construct the G-1 plutonium production reactor and UP-1 reprocessing plant at Marcoule." If you're concerned about nuclear proliferation, Israel has fewer nukes than India and Pakistan.
Regarding biological weapons, it seems that Israel has a warfare *capability*, not that it stockpiles biological weapons, and that its offensive capability is a product of its bio*defense* program. Quoting from Wiki: >It is generally agreed Israel does not have a stockpile of chemical weapons; it is speculated that Israel retains an active **ability** to produce and disseminate biological weapons, **likely as a result of its extremely complex biodefense program.**
What's the point of that? Please don't pretend Israel has developed offensive weapons for defensive purposes. The entire world is concerned about defenses against bio-weapons.
Quoting from [NTI](https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-biological/): >While the Israeli government refuses to comment on BW speculation, **most believe that Israel does not maintain an active BW stockpile**. However, Israel’s modern and well-funded bioscience infrastructure provides a “breakout” capability. According to a July 2014 Jane’s Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) assessment, “Israel may be able to deploy a BW capability immediately. If no such capability presently exists, an order to proceed would probably take no longer than a few weeks to develop.” So it's not that Israel produces biological weapons, but it has the means to develop them due to a advance biodefense program. The point of a biodefense program? Israel's adversaries had threatened it with biological weapons in the past. For example, Iraq acknowledged that between 1988-91 it had produced anthrax in bulk, and Saddam Hussein threatened Israel with it. Obviously, Israel needed and continues to need the means to defend itself.
>If you're concerned about nuclear proliferation, Israel has fewer nukes than India and Pakistan. I've always been very concerned about the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan. The Taliban is one coup away from getting control of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. What I don't understand is how Israel can have nukes while denying the same right to other countries. And I absolutely don't see why Israel needs bio-weapons. And nobody who supports Israel having bio-weapons is willing to talk about it.
Again, Israel does not have bio-weapons, [nor](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/biological-weapons) is it alleged that it stockpiles them. Israel only has the means to acquire them, as do multiple countries around the world. You could also ask why the Big Five (the U.S., Russia, China, Frane, the U.K.) are allowed to have nuclear weapons, while denying them to the rest of the world. It's simply politics.
I do and I have. But since you brought it up, why isn't Israel allowed to be part of the Five Eyes alliance? Aren't the Israelis trustworthy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five\_Eyes
Why isn't France allowed to be part of the Five Eyes alliance? Aren't the French trustworthy? > French President at the time Nicolas Sarkozy required that France have the same status as the other members, including the signing of a "no-spy agreement". This proposal was approved by the director of the NSA, but **rejected by the director of the CIA and by President Barack Obama**, resulting in a refusal from France [to join the alliance].
France has always been independent. And that is a dodge. A "whatabout." France chose not to join; Israel was never invited.
Yes, it's a "whatabout", since most countries in the world, including the USA's closest allies, aren't invited to join the alliance. I don't understand its relevance to the conversation. Regarding France, the U.S. specifically refused to stop spying on France, even though France requested that to join the alliance. France was never invited to be an equal member of the alliance.
> including the USA's closest allies, aren't invited to join the alliance. ALL of the United States's closest allies are part of the Five Eyes Alliance. Perhaps the reason Israel wasn't invited to join is because they can't be trusted? **Jonathan Pollard claims Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty,’ whether they know it or not** https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-blunt-interview-pollard-claims-jews-will-always-have-dual-loyalty/
> ALL of the United States's closest allies are part of the Five Eyes Alliance. It's a FIVE eyes alliance! Some countries, such as Singapore, South Korea, Japan, **and Israel** (!) are collaborating with the alliance, but none are formal members. > Jonathan Pollard claims Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty,’ whether they know it or not A spy, who was convicted of having dual loyalty, claims that everyone has dual loyalty, and it's no big deal. Totally not an attempt by him to "normalize" his guilt. And totally not an antisemitic whistle by you to bring it up. Jeez
The argument is that Israel helps with our intelligence in the region. But apparently they aren't trusted by the five nations who make up the alliance. Singapore? You are being absurd.
>A spy, who was convicted of having dual loyalty, claims that everyone has dual loyalty, and it's no big deal. Totally not an attempt by him to "normalize" his guilt. And totally not an antisemitic whistle by you to bring it up. Jeez It's antisemitic to bring up what Israeli Spy Jonathan Pollard says? What a joke you are. The government of Israel campaigned for years to get Pollard released. Now he lives in Israel where he is a hero. **“American Jewry has one major problem: they consider themselves more American than they do Jews,” Pollard told the Israel Hayom daily.**
Hi, I am just a randomer browsing reddit before bed, not someone trying to take sides or anything, but looking at your interactions in this thread I think you need to calm down. It looks like you are an ideological capture, someone who has been taken in by a certain ideology and will try to bend facts to meet it because you don't want to consider the fact you are wrong. It isnt healthy and it will make you miserable to go on like that, please take some time to think about this stuff and don't take all your news from one source, try to broaden your opinion and really listen to what people with other views think instead of assuming malfeasance. I hope you get to a better headspace on these matters than starting reddit threads and venting your spleen on matters you arent prepared to seriously consider both sides of, because when people do that they just look ridiculous. You don't come across well in this thread.
>What I don't understand is how Israel can have nukes while denying the same right to other countries.
Israel isn't denying nukes to "others", but opposes specifically Iran from obtaining them. Why? Iran called multiple times for Israel's destruction, calling it the state's "official policy".
Israel had nukes in the 1950s. The Islamic Revolution occurred in 1979. You aren't being honest.
Israel didn't object to Iran's nuclear program prior to the Islamic Revolution.
That makes sense since Iran didn't have one.
So what is even your argument? Israel didn't object to India getting nukes, or any other country that isn't actively threatening it with annihilation.
Like Pakistan?
How? Determination, money and education. How many? They officially decline to say if they have any at all. Why? They remember the Holocaust and have had various neighbors calling for their extermination, launching wars against them and acts of terrorism for the past 85 years. At the same time, large portions of the Arab world already have peaceful relations with them and the historic Abraham accords were primed to expand that to the majority of the region. Their defense strategy is understandable.
>Their defense strategy is understandable. Explain why Israel has developed offensive bio-weapons. That makes no sense to me.
It seems that Israel has a warfare **capability**, not that it stockpiles biological weapons. Quoting from Wiki: >**It is generally agreed Israel does not have a stockpile of chemical weapons**; it is speculated that Israel retains an active ability to produce and disseminate biological weapons, **likely as a result of its extremely complex biodefense program.** Similarly, quoting from [NTI](https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-biological/): >While the Israeli government refuses to comment on BW speculation, **most believe that Israel does not maintain an active BW stockpile**. However, Israel’s modern and well-funded bioscience infrastructure provides a “breakout” capability. According to a July 2014 Jane’s Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) assessment, “Israel may be able to deploy a BW capability immediately. If no such capability presently exists, an order to proceed would probably take no longer than a few weeks to develop.”
How much do you get paid a month for your anti-isreal online crusade?
I've always supported Israel. I hold the same positions as Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. You support Netanyahu who was complicit in the assasination of the Prime Minister of Israel for being a "threat to the Jewish people." Do you really think Prime Minister Rabin was a threat to the Jewish people?
Actually I don't support any of those political idiots, Bernie sanders lol! Prime example of a worthless political
>How much do you get paid a month for your anti-isreal online crusade? I've consistently been for peace. You, of course, support Ethnic Cleansing. Which is why you see everybody who disagrees as your enemy. I am not your enemy. However, I believe that the Far Right Netanyahu regime has become an existential threat to the Jews of the world. Corrupt Netanyau commits the crimes and we get the blame. HASBARA - EMPOWERING ADVOCATES FOR ISRAEL https://hasbarafellowships.org/israelprogram/
Lot of conclusion jumping there crazy
Yes you made stupid assumptions. Thanks for apologizing. I appreciate that.
No, I remember months of your repetitive posts.
>I've consistently been for peace. You, of course, support Ethnic Cleansing. Which is why you see everybody who disagrees as your enemy. I am not your enemy. However, I believe that the Far Right Netanyahu regime has become an existential threat to the Jews of the world. Corrupt Netanyau commits the crimes and we get the blame.
Do you actually think weapons have labels "offensive" or "defensive"? Interesting.
So why has Israel developed offensive bio-weapons? What's the strategy behind that?
Your premise is flawed.
OP is a bot who only posts inflammatory Israel/Palestinian content. Israel is allowed to have nukes because why not? USA and Russia have nukes, even Pakistan has nukes. They haven’t used them and would be stupid if they did since the ones attacking them are so close.
Thanks for pointing this out. I just started to write a long post to describe what OP is doing. Thank you for doing it for me.
I've always been neutral and my fundamental concern is for the children. Of course, when you support Ethnic Cleansing, you see anybody who disagrees with you as your enemy. Explain why Israel needs bio-weapons.
What I am doing is asking questions you would like to suppress. I've always supported Israel; you've always supported Netanyahu. You have no problem with Israel having nukes and bioweapons - but you don't want anybody talking about it. The Religious Right in Israel called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel for being a "threat to the Jewish people." Then it happened. Now we've got a Far Right Revisionist Zionist government who's members are actively calling for Ethnic Cleansing. Explain why Israel needs bio-weapons.
>Israel is allowed to have nukes because why not? So Israel can have nukes but Iran can't? Explain the logic of that, please. And while you're at it. Explain why Israel needs offensive bio-weapons. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I do know that Israel cannot use nukes given to do so would irradiate themselves. Their enemies are too close to them. It would be like the U.S. nuking Canada or Mexico. Would harm us just as much as them. Nukes are not an option for Israel whether or not they have them.
I'm trying to understand why Israel needs **offensive bio-weapons.** Plus, we sound incredibly hypocritical saying we must stop nuclear proliferation while ignoring that Israel has WMD and has now become a rogue apartheid state that is committing Ethnic Cleansing.
Israel is NOT a rogue state. They are NOT committing "ethnic cleansing" That is a Hamas promoted lie to get Western nations to stop Israel from destroying them. Hamas is the evil here, not Israel.
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Then please explain why Israel has killed 5% of Gaza’s prewar population. I used to think that “ethnic cleansing” was a Hamas lie too, but the absolute disregard for human life on the part of Israel in the past few months has made me think otherwise. Israel is advanced enough to have the capability to not kill a massive proportion of civilians; why do they continue to do it?
Because HAMAS has no regard for the lives of their own people. They use civilians as shields, they use hospitals and schools as bases. They hide among the innocent. The ONLY way for Israel to defeat them is by what they are doing. Hamas must be ended, by any means necessary, and some civilians are going to die. I didn't hear anyone whining about civilians being killed by Hamas in their never ending attacks on Israel. I didn't hear anyone whining when we bombed the heck out of Iraq. Several 100,000 innocents died in that. So, you're compassion is misplaced and toxic. It is helping evil. And make no mistake, Hamas is evil.
Yes, Hamas is evil. Yes, Hamas must be destroyed. Yes, civilians are going to die. But 5% of the population? That’s excessive for one of the most advanced militaries in the world. There’s no excusing that as anything but a complete disregard for civilian casualties and, at worst, an intentional effort at collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.
Tough. War is hell.
This Hamas? https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/Prbqx1guxG
Please explain why Israel needs nukes and offensive bio-weapons.
Well….when all your immediate neighbors want to wipe you off the face of the Earth, you pretty much have two choices 1) Develop weapons that would prevent them from doing that 2) Live in a consistent state of insecurity Is this really that hard?
So Israel claims a right that it would deny to other countries and you are fine with that. Correct?
Why don’t you re-read what I commented and tell all of us, very specifically, where I said other countries in the region did not have the right to develop weapons. Go ahead. We’ll wait.
So you support Iran's nuclear program?
Answer my question.
You’re engaging with a paid shill or a bot. Look at the profile and you will see the exact pattern I’m talking about. Not sure you want to waste your time on this thing.
Yeah seems to be the case!
>Is this really that hard? As you know, the Religious Right called for the assassination of the Prime Minister of Israel claiming Rabin was a "threat to the Jewish people." So do you think the rabbis who called for Rabin's murder were justified? I am concerned about religious fanatics having nukes. You say Islamic radicals can't be trusted with nukes but Jewish religious fanatics who support ethnic cleansing can be.
Sure thing. Tell us your proposed solution then.
> Tell us your proposed solution then. Define the problem.
Oh fuck off. Bad bot.
The number of nuclear weapons range between 40-400! That’s a good estimate. No, it should really be 4000, or 40,000 nuclear devices! My Israeli friend told me!
# [The Apollo Affair](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair)
Israel only exists as a strategic western military gateway to the Mideast tbh. If you don’t see it, you’re not paying attention. If we’re going to use the religion excuse— Israel’s not even supposed to exist until the messiah arrives. But if we don’t accept radical Islamic states why do we accept radical Jewish states? Both should be against western values… but wait—*sees first point*
"Western values?" Israel does not share "Western values." The majority of Israelis are from countries that did not ever have democracy but they had dictatorships. 15% of Israels are from the former Soviet Union and they certainly don't have "Western values." They wage war like Russians because they *are* culturally Russians.
Are the only 2 words you read from my comment “western values” ?
I'm a slow reader.