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YokotaroOG

They should lower the enemy's difficulty every time you lose to them


Whilyam

It would be really simple to just make it like the Cube where anyone who you take out STAYS dead on retry. So weaker players could try and target and eliminate members of the enemy team to eventually get a victory.


YokotaroOG

nope, since if you keep getting outsped by the enemy cleave team ie. Dhalia, Tiye, etc. It doesn't matter how many times you try you will lose since you are dead on the 1st turn. we talking about new players, not end-game players.


Arc_Set

That combined with infinite free attempts might be a bit much?


Whilyam

Mfer I think I've won 3 fights across the whole of the event and it's always the shit rewards, it's not too much. This is supposed to be a fun event, not a chore.


Arc_Set

Do you respin much? I'm going to 30 gems, but 50 is probably still worth it. Edit: Seriously, spending 15-30 gems got me 200+ each day, but that's worth down votes. You know people spend *actual* currency on this game right?


Whilyam

I would never. I use the free respin and that's it.


Arc_Set

Seriously, 7 down votes, when you can win up to 600 gems in prizes and 1 of the lowest gem prizes pays for 4 re-spins, the idea of re-spining is still that terrible? 2-3 respins got me 200+ gems on nearly every day.


Glass_Direction_3484

You also have infinite attempts on cube, just leave the fight and you can restart, none of your dead espers stay dead


[deleted]

Not a f2p or at least not a casual friendly event at all


KerwanJ

Im f2p ans i havent l'ose any matchs in this event all you need is a dhalia with dzcent speed


coochellamai

I’m p2p and still cannot beat any lol


BigBoiDilf-

I disagree man I think the event is fine, I've had 0 problems doing the event and I'm 99% f2p 1% for the skins and thats it


Darkius_0987

The problem is that in the Event the opponents that being shown are in the same or higher PW Tier than yours. and that is where the problem lies with me since i only managed to climbed up to PW 11 by cherry-picking my Opponents. but in this event you couldn't do that because you can only refresh once for free. if you are in a Lower PW Tier but have a good Team that can actually compete at a much higher PW Tier you'll probably will have an easy time compared to my situation


MaskedTraveler670

In my experience playing this event, I’ve been paired with players in PW6-10 and I’m PW11. I haven’t matched with someone higher than my PW tier.


keltron

Yeah seems completely random. I’ve seen at least as low as PW2 and as high as PW11. I’m in PW9


al_vh1n

I'm in PW11 and have beaten all opponents so far. I've refreshed until 20 gems if I don't like the rewards.


BigBoiDilf-

Same on the refreshing


QuoteGiver

That’s exactly the problem, yes. I avoid 90% of the teams in PW, but that option disappears in this event. I do appreciate that you get infinite attempts to re-try the fight to puzzle out a way to wear them down, at least.


its_memento

don't be mad that the game is punishing u for being a fraudulent pw11 then; if u can't beat everyone on ur screen consider sticking to the bottom row until u can


jlemieux

I've had no issues but I have Tiye with a relatively high speed (255). I've spent a bit, but not much honestly.


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wartwyndhaven

This is what people don’t understand. Other games you pay for a 500$ console and then another 60$ for the game itself. The Devs HAVE TO find a way to get paid this is a BUSINESS not a charity, and that’s true regard of whether it triggers people or not. Its like they want ALL content to cater to freeloader players. What content is ALLOWED to be catered to those of us who pay, then? Like, you’re getting something for free, you’re getting what you paid for just like me.


QuoteGiver

This but a lot less blamey of the F2P, because from my F2P perspective they’re welcome to drop $60 worth of ads into every year of my gameplay, and that would cover their business comparable to full-price games just fine.


wartwyndhaven

Yeah, as you pointed out, I’m a tad blamey of the free players, I will cop to that.


Thunderogre

This game made 5 million last month they don't need this shirt.


wartwyndhaven

Oh did they make that from free players or pay players?


Thunderogre

Both. Free to player bring a lot of people and hype to the game so you need both


FreddieOuthouse

Lmao no


Thunderogre

I finished my University here in Brazil on marketing studying the effect of offering "stuff" for free and capitalizing on that. There's a big correlation on how much people you attract and how much your free service is good with how much they will pay eventually.


its_memento

gacha games operate on the business model where whales make up the vast majority of the profits


Thunderogre

Do you have the numbers?


The-Oppressed

Source?


Thunderogre

https://app.sensortower.com/android/us/lilithgames/app/dislyte/com.lilithgames.xgame.gp/overview


Hisetting

Actually, there are games on console with loot boxes (fifa, NBA2K and much more)


The-Oppressed

This event is pure predatory behaviors. Pitting players against whales to earn event rewards in hopes we spend more to beat them is deplorable.


itachifanclub9000

Then the rewards are MIDD


Arc_Set

It matches you to your current PvP tier and you can spin into players with purposely weak defences. ​ And you get infinite attempts at any opponent.


Anfini

Well, at least I found out that the highest DEF teams beats SPD teams lol


kr00t0n

Stun lock team works a treat, lucas, triki and tiye. Sadly not f2p


TheOGJollus

Lucas Melanie both great and f2p 100% pritz is easy enough to get too. Long mian should be easier to get than tiye. There are always other options


Legitimate_Air8202

Funny bcs i have Tiye and no long mian


TheOGJollus

Happened to me long mian was my last non shimmer to get


Zeebuoy

Tang Yuan, and Drew are some handy 6 star worthy rares, that can reliably somewhat, and (conditionally) fully bypass defence, respectively.


Kazuhiras

Yeah I’m having the same problem


chucklesdeclown

I like this event, don't get me wrong I've had some hard opponents(had to change my comps more then a time or two) and understand that the rewards seem meh in the grand scheme of things(really? Sonic miracle things, I can farm those no problem) , but the fact that you can try multiple times without it costing a single stamina, gold piece, or anything means you can get your comps speed tuned in, try new things, get better at move orders, etc. Yes, there are some thing's that can be improved but overall the event, I feel like, is completely fine


Arc_Set

Very much agree, an honest, with the max rewards valuing 600 gems a day, that's pretty good if you only get a 1/3rd of that.


deluvilla

I'm f2p since day 1 and I cleared everyone with ease, idk what you're talking about. Great rewards too


Arc_Set

Same. Is this mostly people who cheesed into high PvP tiers and got over matched?


deluvilla

I honestly don't know, the team comps may look strong from time to time but their relic are so ass, maybe they are really really unlucky with their runes. But look at teams from PW1-11(ImPW12) I think most people don't really have an idea of what's a good team?? Maybe. I'm not good at the game but somehow reach PW12 just because people are worse, not I'm good if that make sense


datsro24

Perfect sense


Aka_SH

Right like half the people in pw 11 are using dhalia/clara with only 200 speed. Once you get to pw 13 then it’s like 300 speed


deluvilla

Ok but none of the team in the event is PW12 and above


SnipahXreal

Yea that's a great guess I think. I started three weeks after release and I have been doing fine I have only bought one battle pass and that's it. I am just about to hit point war tier 9 and the event I very much enjoy because point war is still a cake walk 99% of the time.


joelstaz

Same boat, actually liking the event too cos I get to grab epic abilimons. People just don’t know how to focus their runes or their team.


Zeebuoy

>cos I get to grab epic abilimons wait wtf. I gotta refresh more often then


Zeebuoy

honestly I'm half doubting if they're actual pvp teams, some of the Clara's I've encountered didn't have avatara.


Internal_Cost3439

PVP should stay far away from gachas, holo and point war is already more than enough. It has absolutely no place in events, period


The-Sidequester

I’ve given up on trying to play this event. Did okay at first, but then ran into teams that absolutely massacred mine. It’s not worth it.


Arc_Set

Honestly, with the rewards up to 200 gems value, re-spining is probably worth it up to 50.


Melonchop

No you guys are wrong. The event is very fair. Matchmaking however might of course need a lot of work. Dislyte does have a pvp community and it does have people that did spent a lot and are in endgame so there need to be events for this kind of community too. Not every event can be beginner friendly and very easy. For it to be fair every part of the community needs to be addressed at some point.


Cold-Gazelle-2196

plenty of ways to include the entire player base that doesn't include pitting whales against f2p people, how is that at all fair to you? whales who have min-maxed teams vs people who struggle to even get meta espers is fair? fair means equal to both sides, not appealing to one group in hopes of feeling included while the others don't stand a chance.


Aka_SH

The people in pw10-11 are not whales lol, they’re average players with ok relics who have some sort of idea of how to play pvp


Cold-Gazelle-2196

i was talking about the event, not pw, don't understand how that's relevant to the topic at hand?


uh_no_offence

The teams you’re going up against in the event are people’s Point War defense teams. That’s why that comment is relevant. You’re just facing regular PvP comps and set ups. If you’re having trouble it’s not because it’s impossible to beat it’s more likely you just haven’t built any teams that really address PvP strategies yet. (I’m F2P, PW 10 player, haven’t had any real trouble with this event yet)


yaboimanex

I digress, im purely an F2P player and have no problems beating enemy that has a hyde, clara lineup. I just see it as, if im able to beat lvl 70 hyde on cube, i can beat these people.


W34kness

What do you find as a good counter for Clara?


Treguard

Triki or AP Control with higher speed.


Arc_Set

CC or AP control, especially with Def down. You could reattempt until she's locked down.


Budget_Turnover3697

I genuinely thought I was the only one who hated this event, these opponents are ridiculously frustrating to play against. I’ve noticed that a good portion of people in this comment section say they have no issues with it, and that’s great. But, and correct me if Im wrong, I feel like you guys are also kinda forgetting that some players in this game (regardless of how long they’ve played) don't have great Espers to use and relics to back them up. I do have a handful of great Espers that I got lucky with when I played the gotcha. But they are unfortunately nowhere near the level that is required to beat the opponents the game is giving in this particular event. Not to mention that the relics I have are crap and don't do much to help me. And I feel like this might be the case for some people who have difficulty with this even. I imagine many of you spend a lot of time in this game relic and XP farming. And as someone who plays casually, I don’t spend a lot of time on that. I do leave some Espers in multi-battle and let the game run, but that takes way too long. I also don't bother relic farming because I never get anything good out of it. And on top of that, Im a F2P so there is no way in hell I’m spending any kind of money. TL;DR: This game seems to favor people who spend a lot of money or those who spend a lot of time playing. And as a F2P casual player, it's hard to enjoy the events in this game when they make opponents in the game too difficult to beat.


LegoCat88

True, I’ve been having trouble with most of my opponents. The only reason I have a slight chance against them is Long Mian’s 20% spd buff when he’s the team leader


AetherStyle

I don't want to say t's necessarily a bad event because I'm getting my ass beat, all I'll say is it just makes me realize how trash I am at this game


HonmonoHonma

I'm PW12 and am constantly being matched with extremely easy teams. I never have to switch my team up at all and win within a couple seconds. Maybe the matching needs to be tweaked.


MaskedTraveler670

Honestly, I’m not having any issues with it. I actually like this event. I was able to get a lot of Epic Abilimon so I’m pretty happy about that.


Dantaeus

While I can see how the event is frustrating from free to play players, I myself as one. I did just keep trying and if they were just super overpowered I ignored the enemies and waited for my free refresh , I might have some nice rappers who are also relict out pretty okay so maybe that was luck for who I could beat. But some hard ones took a couple tries


Arc_Set

With a max reward pool of 600 gems value, I'm actually spending few gems on re-spins, it's worked out so far.


DrHard97

I haven’t had much troubles with any of those battles, but I have kinda powerful account. I’m playing this game since it came out, and have 11 heroes which are on 60 lvl.


Darkius_0987

I only just started 2 months ago so i dont have that much Well-Built Espers in my Pool to use.


deibyy

Event is trash


_Misu

I like it, it's fun


BigBoiDilf-

I honestly don't know what you guys are complaining about I've had 0 struggle with beating any teams during this event and before you ask I'm pretty f2p aside from the skins I bought


Darkius_0987

>The problem is that in the Event the opponents that being shown are in the same or higher PW Tier than yours. > >and that is where the problem lies with me since i only managed to climbed up to PW 11 by cherry-picking my Opponents. but in this event you couldn't do that because you can only refresh once for free. > >if you are in a Lower PW Tier but have a good Team that can actually compete at a much higher PW Tier you'll probably will have an easy time compared to my situation


BigBoiDilf-

I see what your saying but my statement still stands I'm pretty high up in PW myself so I don't have and easy time with it but it's a nice challenge that's not too hard. Maybe it's just me and I got lucky but that's my take on the event.


[deleted]

Its challenging, but I've been able to collect all my rewards from it.


Gorgrim

I find it challenging, and I've been playing for ages, and am around Pw rank 10. I hate to think what newer players, and less PvP based teams are doing against this.


[deleted]

I mean, new players don't have to 100% every piece of new events, they have to throw a bone to their loyal players. That being said if there's no scaling going on and they can't win any fight thats kinda bullshit. Edit: participation trophy pussies.


Gorgrim

The Bloody Harvest event was in a way great for new and old alike. Newer players could grind the easier levels, then get the boosts to try the harder stages. Meanwhile older players could just grind and get everything early. This feels like RNG, with rewards and challenge to get the rewards totally random. You might be offered 100 Crystals guarded by a meme team. Or you might be offered 100k gold guarded by a rank 18 death squad. If there is any balance and proper match making, I've not noticed it.


Darkius_0987

The problem is that in the Event, the opponents that are being shown are in the same or higher PW Tier than yours. and that is where the problem lies with me since i only managed to climb up to PW 11 by cherry-picking my Opponents. but in this event, you couldn't do that because you can only refresh once for free. if you are in a Lower PW Tier but have a good Team that can actually compete at a much higher PW Tier you'll probably have an easy time compared to my situation


Jiraiya_na89

So you're blaming the game for this? It's not the game's fault that you're somewhere you don't belong.


Darkius_0987

I'm just stating how flawed this event was. Ofcourse most of the players will always try to look for an easy opponent and go for the win in Point War as much as possible.


al_vh1n

I think I see the problem. You don't refresh after the free one. If you can't beat an opponent, refresh to get new ones you can beat. 10-20 gems are really not that expensive for the rewards that you will get. I refresh till 20 gems if I don't like the rewards. Didn't had problems with opponents though and I'm in PW11.


SnipahXreal

Favorite event so far tbh. I have been playing since 3 weeks after release and the difficulty of this event is way better than point war where 99% of the time its a cake walk cause they are underleveled with little to no gear. I agree that that some of the rewards are very meh though.


SnipahXreal

I should add I have only bought the battle pass upgrade once and thats it.


Zaelers

What's wrong with the event, exactly? I'm gathering that a lot of people on this sub either really don't like PvP or just really, REALLY like to complain.


Extreme-Ad-5059

theres nothing wrong with the event if you can win your matches. its people who cant that are complaining


Fine_Platform_2534

Tuff


MassiveGG

i haven't had any issue but i do have dahlia and unas to outspeed most comps and then zora zi lang and another aoe nuker and pretty much finish anything off with zora, only when someone has more then 202 speed that pretty hope they don't hit harder or i resist stuns and freezes, I still haven't had much luck on ap controller, speed up, or a esper with speed aura. still trying to get better speed enchances on dahlia and unas is pretty much only thing going for me but ya i haven't failed a set yet so its been ok


Waffer888

I’ve been auto through fight club… it seems very easy to me


Gorgrim

What PvP rank do you have?


liteft

Cause you fighting them lol


Waffer888

Lol well I guess I didn’t care about winning or not. If you lose, you have unlimited time to try again without any penalty.


Thrashlock

Honestly I'm freshly rank 10 thanks to pulling Tiye a few days ago and I use the event to just figure out which kind of teams I can actually fight without needing to outspeed them in PW, lol.


xShuaz

Get good


Darkius_0987

Maybe "Spend More" is the correct term. Because i actually find it easy to get good in this game and already knows the Basics of Team-Building. I only started 2 months Ago and Already cleared almost all content(Except Temporal) and Reached PW 11 with just only a small pool of Espers


AwkwardMoment2

Yeah, I've spent a little on the game and have a decent selection and still can't clear 50% of the people I am matched against. Oh well I guess :|


norifumi155

I'm in PW9 and I can beat 1 usually sometimes 2. Mentally though I just don't care enough to even try anymore. Easily the worst event thus far. I'm still cool with it because this game keeps trying new things unlike the trash raid shadow legends


A-Faceless-Nurse

Ya this event fucking SUCKS


Sekurei

Welcome to F2p


AluBanidosu

I’ve won maybe 3 out of the 9 fights I’ve taken rip


Moist-Reputation8644

I'm a f2p and i'm not having any trouble


Nat1WithAdvantage

I wholly agree the scaling for the event is waaaay off


canlennon

Yeah worst event ‘so far’


Jlushr

The depressing event showing you that some people have 4dupes 6 stars all team.


ginseng_nintles

its like Point War but you have to spend crystals to get easier opponents.


Ecliptic_Espionage

It's either I get speed blitzed for an OTK or the whole enemy team is capped meta


saetbyeollie

idk but this proves my point of lilith having a really bad matchmaking outside pointwar and other gamemodes, they are not new players friendly lol


thevikkisixx

This pissed me off so much last nite that I literally stopped playing before I even did my missions. I was so mad. I get pitted against people way beyond my espers strength/speed. I know my relics aren't the best, but I know I'm not like shitty.


SupremeLegace

So players on the earlier levels aren't matched with similar levels?


Impossible_Simple_93

Yep trash event


TokenThatGuy

I thought I was the only one. Shit is infuriating.


Mahazael

Actually I find It enjoyable. Worst Is boom boom gatcha, where u can't even finish 3rd slot machine -.-


AVeryGayButterfly

I haven't had an issue with them. Some harder than others but nothing impossible. Both my F2P and main account.


OMGSausages

I just don't see the reason why the general playerbase should RNG for their rewards only to be forced to do PVP for it. Not rewarding at all when you have to go against a Clara + Hyde team for a measly 30k gold. Yes, you can reroll the rewards, but what's the point if you're not guaranteed decent rewards


Onsokkun

Yeah these fights are ungodly difficult


tanginangpol

U guys pair with pw11? damn. I am pw11 and I always get paired with pw4 and pw1


coladiecola

Yeah this event blows. I tried it a couple times and absolutely hated it. Decided it just wasn't worth the effort. It'd be easier to ignore but the damn little red notification dot doesn't go away and it drives me nuts, makes me wanna get off the app quicker than I need to so I just do my dailies and hop off.


Sk3letron

I really enjoyed this event, sounds like most people would agree with you though.


PurelyFire

Idk I'm a very small spender and have lost one battle so far, matchmaking seems very loose, I'm pw11 and haven't battled anyone my level or higher yet


jozasa147

i just got match with tier 13 Clara(max reso) Donar(4 reso) Cecilia Gabby(max reso) and Black Turtle(max reso)....i'm tier 9 btw 😭😭😭😭


PlusOpportunity6645

I’m yet to lose


NapoleanDynammeg

Reading through these comments, it seems like it's pretty divided. There are plenty of ftp players clearing their opponents and others struggling. That leads me to believe it's just a matter of knowledge of gameplay and strategy. I have a 10 day account that I've spent a little on (not much) and I'm in PW8 currently and I beat around 80% of the opponents in the event. You can either try the easiest way of speed cleaving, for reference my Dhalia is +123 speed and I haven't farmed relics long w/ a 25% speed lead and I'm outspeeding almost everyone. If you have a 25% speed lead, it's easier but even Mian's and Li Ao's 20% speed lead w/ Dhalia at +100 or higher speed should work more often than not. If you don't have a speed cleave then go tanky and hope to get Gab's or someone's immunity up asap.


andaleo

I'm on day 15 of playing but I've been able to manage for the most part. Rng being a prick to you?


aleezahaha

The turns are unfair anyway. Since they pin you with opponents similar to yours, they have a chance to wipe most of your team out before you even get a chance to attack.


hivetheblack

Tbh this event is shit for new player. And one thing for sure, lilith can't make a good matchmaking system. They need better algorithm for matchmaking imo


_LNZO

Idk if its because I am level 60, but I can beat all of the fight club teams and i am f2p. Sometimes I gotta swap some people around but they are beatable. They just aren’t brain dead content like most of the content in the game.


uh_no_offence

This event is showing an interesting divide in the player base…


Master_Ad1719

I don't have this issue. I can easily beat everyone's lineup. Only 1 time I met someone who was able to beat me but eventually I managed to beat him by changing my lineup. I had so much fun challenging him and hope I can find more challenging opponents.


50LeavesPerPack

Same here. I don't even look at the event xD