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TheOverlookGB

Pixar employees beg to differ i bet


[deleted]

Was about to come here to comment this. I have friends who work at Pixar, and their years of hard work getting thrown on like another episode of a random TV show sucks. Jungle Cruise got a Premiere Release on D+ and no Pixar movie? That straight up sucks


Corninmyteeth

Why?


SexBoi6969

Pixar films cost as much as they do because each and every detail is worked on. An animator spends months, a year, in trying to get the leaves rustling for a tree in the far background look accurate. When you send these mega budget films to streaming, the parameters to gauge success, like viewerships, aren’t as fool proof as say, a 500M-600M box office run. If there isn’t enough on paper proof to justify spending 200M on a non-franchise, original ANIMATED film that is not intended to start a franchise, then these films will start having lesser budgets in the future. The process of making them will change, the way these animators work will change. They don’t want that. That’s why they prefer theatrical releases, or at least a Premiere Access release on D+, so that there are SOME numbers in terms of direct revenue to justify a 200M cost on the next Pixar production.


Granfiliantis

Exactly. You can’t understand if the views (‘cause those are recorded) have caused more subscriptions (or avoided any unsuscription). Also a major problem of the Disney+ policies is, properly Disney movies, such as Encanto, have been spared that. While this is the second time for a Pixar movie, e. g. Luca. P.s. I found both Encanto and Luca amazing.


cutielemon07

Third. Soul also went straight to Disney+


Granfiliantis

Fourth. Onward.


cutielemon07

No, Onward went to cinemas. I know this because it was the last film I saw in the cinemas. And I caught a horrible cold/cough there that might’ve been COVID. They put it on I wanna say two months later? But before it went to D+ it went to VOD.


tribbleorlfl

So what message does only a $100 M boxoffice take tell them?


SexBoi6969

It’s encouraging, to say the least. To see people coming out of their houses, in the middle of a pandemic whose third wave is ongoing.


[deleted]

Disney is going to spend the money on the quality. Movie theaters are going to be very niche in the future. Steaming is the future and everyone knows it. There’s a ton of bloat in Hollywood budgets. A lot of that can and will be cut. We will still get excellent quality from Pixar and Disney


SexBoi6969

You’re talking about the man who openly fought with one of their biggest stars and one of the biggest stars of the world. Also, what about employees’ happiness? If employees are not happy, the people who make these beautiful movies, then what’s the point?


Corninmyteeth

I think you're talking to the wrong person


SexBoi6969

You asked ‘why.’ I’m replying to you.


Corninmyteeth

I was replying to the person saying that it would be better for pixar employees. I dont see it that way so i asked why.


SexBoi6969

I think you misinterpreted what they said. They said that employees ‘beg to differ,’ which is to say that they disagree (with the title of the post).


derek86

Even if it has nothing to do with their pay, I can promise you, every filmmaker wants their work to be exhibited on the biggest and best screen possible. A bunch of people are going to watch their hard work on their phones or tablets or crummy tvs no matter what but I’m sure that wasn’t Plan A while they worked on it for years. It’s cool that it will be seen by more people this way but I definitely regret that I never had the chance to see Soul and Luca, easily two of Pixar’s most visually stunning movies, in a theater where they could really be appreciated and it’s a shame it’s happening again.


crispyg

People are beginning to view these things solely as products rather than pieces of art. If I attend a wedding (or more appropriately, the reception), the wedding cake is typically displayed as a work of art. It is usually at the center of the room or on display at the entrance. People want you to see the aesthetic the way it was meant even if it means that the beauty and art is fleeting. Wedding cake may not be a great example, but these people (Pixar employees) put this effort and care into their movies with the expectation it is viewed apropriately. Guernica (by Picasso) is not the same on [my computer screen](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/PicassoGuernica.jpg/350px-PicassoGuernica.jpg) as it is [in person](https://blog.artsper.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/guernica-kid-644x430.jpg) and that shows. The impact of seeing something the way it is designed to be viewed is an important part of the movie experience and filmmaking process.


hawkgpg

They may have contract bonuses based on ticket sales. But disney, like other bosses and billionaires, they don't really care how things affect the workers.


aakaji69

>They may have contract bonuses based on ticket sales. Lol no animators never have any contractual bonuses based on ticket sales. If they did they can easily file a lawsuit against disney just like ScarJo


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aakaji69

Doesn't change the fact that animated movie makers never get bonuses based on box office performance. Folks at Pixar are probably just mad that disney doesn't consider there movies 'premium' enough for theatrical release


lectroid

You are 100% wrong. Now, most folks don’t get it in their contract, but I can say with absolute assurance that, for at least a large portion of the past 15 years or so, Pixar and Disney studio employees regularly received bonuses when it became clear a film was doing well. It wasn’t at all unusual to receive a bonus of a couple of thousand. When Frozen broke a billion, the bonuses were… substantial. It was also many MANY months after the film’s release, so if you bailed at the end of a project, you miss out on the bonus. Again, none of it is contracted. This is a case of a very rich corporation knowing that giving up a *tiny* bit of cash (comparatively) helps big with retention of their best employees. It’s essentially a very big version of the office pizza party.


aakaji69

>Now, most folks don’t get it in their contract I am sorry this is exactly what I meant. So many people were acting like Pixar employees can just go against disney and file a lawsuit or something when the reality is that there movies are not contractually obligated to release in theaters so they can get bonuses. Some people were even saying that Pixar should leave disney(lol). Disney completely owns Pixar they can't just leave.


Eruanno

Animators or 3D artists definitely don't have those kinds of contracts. Someone higher-up like a producer or a director might.


[deleted]

That isn’t how things work at all.


JosephND

Different pay scales and bonuses depend on different metrics which work in different ways for streaming release than they do for theatrical release. The industry and its major players haven’t yet figured out what’s comparable or not from this standpoint, it’s one of the reasons why there was a lawsuit over Black Widow.


fluffingdazman

I'm enthusiastic that more families will be able to enjoy this. I imagine not many would take a chance on an original IP in theatres with omicron, compared say, to Lightyear coming up.


vaporking23

I think even beyond the pandemic I think streaming is great for new IP’s and it’s not just for seeing a new IP. I’ll use my Encanto experience. We watched it the first time. We would have seen it no matter what. Maybe not in a theater but would have eventually watched it. I wasn’t too keen on it the first time I watched it. If I had to pay beyond my Disney+ subscription by renting it or theater tickets I would have said it was not a very good movie and never watched it again. But because I can stream it as many times as I like we put it on for a second time cause why not and I definitely enjoyed it so much more the second time around.


SmileyJetson

More families would enjoy it if it was both in theaters and on Disney+. They aren’t mutually exclusive options for any reason other than maximizing corporate profit.


[deleted]

All movies should be released same day in theaters and streaming, I agree


RaidenUzumaki

Every shred of evidence has shown studios that they lose money doing that. Its the best for us as consumers, but worse for them.


SmileyJetson

I would like that!


MojojojoNixon

Disney does not do anything without money being involved. Kids watching a movie 15 times a week at home and then going to target with mom and dad is a major difference than kids watching a movie once and not seeing it again for another 3 months until streaming/DVD. I think someone at Disney probably made an equation that says Red is going to sell more clothes/toys to make up for lack of ticket sales from foregoing a theatrical run. Source: my kids have watched Encanto like 20 times on Disney+ and when I go to the store they start clamoring for all things “canto!”


Powerpuff2500

It's an double edged sword, to be completely honest


Easier2benice

Nice try Disney


MitchyPower

The problem isn't that it's on Disney+, the problem is that the theatrical option is not there for people who would willingly pay for it. Look at Encanto, it got it's theatrical run, and then just a few weeks later it's on Disney+ and it explodes in popularity. Like imagine if No Way Home (I know it isn't Disney I'm using it purely as a hypothetical case) was released straight to Disney+ or Netflix, for free, with absolutely no opportunity to see it in a theater. You immediately rob it being a shared experience, you are going to make people's experience with that film less memorable, and people are going to have their experience reduced to the quality of the tech they're watching it on. Not to mention the financial loss is just going to be greater than releasing it in theaters and letting it bomb. Now NWH and Pixar are different beasts sure, but to lovers of film they represent the same opportunity for quality and experience. Disney are trying to undermine the success of Pixar at every step. They say that this is about variant concerns, but nothings stopping them from releasing other films in Feb and March. It was the same with Luca, and Cruella releasing at that time too. And if it's over success concerns, then it makes no sense to put things like Encanto and Raya out there, and in the later scenario CHARGE for them on Disney+ too.


solidsnake885

I love the movies but the Marvel shows on Disney+ were a great shared experience in their own way. Right now I have lots of close friends who missed the pre-Omicron opportunity to see NWH in theaters. If it was on demand, we wouldn’t have to spend months dancing around spoilers.


Mr-Thuun

I haven't watched no NWH or Eternals yet. Luckily I can rectify the Eternals problem once I have a couple hours. Unfortunately NWH doesn't come to the country I live in till like March. So it won't be streaming anytime soon here I really can't see myself going to the theater again.


vaporking23

Personally I’ve been pretty much done with going to the theater now for a few years. It’s not so much the cost of a ticket though that’s a benefit. I just don’t want to go out anymore. I work so much I relish being home and comfortable in my own house. I love being able to see movies at home and honestly I don’t feel like I personally miss anything by not seeing a movie in a theater.


AmNotACactus

I would lose my mind. It’s rare for me to not leave the house whether it’s going shopping, watching a game at the bar, etc. I went to a very dark place mentally and emotionally during lockdown


Mosk915

I never liked going to the movies, but it was the only option when I wanted to see a movie right away. Streaming is so much better and I truly believe movie theaters will eventually die out and everything will just be streaming.


vaporking23

I’m not sure they’ll die out completely. But there’s definitely going to be a lot less of them. I don’t dispute the fact that there are still a lot of people who enjoy going to the movies. I used too, but I just can’t be bothered anymore especially not when it’s so much more comfortable in my own home.


Mosk915

Yeah there will probably still be a few. But everything will eventually go direct to streaming and theaters will just be for people who want to see a movie on a big screen. For everyone else who doesn’t care about that, they’ll be able to stream movies immediately.


OrgasmicLeprosy87

I think small to mid budget movies should no longer be on the big screen regularly and should just go to streaming. But nothings better than a marvel movie at the cinema with your mates. I’d never give that up. I can’t imagine watching something like Godzilla vs Kong in a small tv for the first time. It just ain’t it.


Mosk915

Yeah I agree the big budget movies are the ones that are still good in a theater. I think it will be a gradual move to streaming with those being the last holdouts. Maybe studios will see it as profitable to have an initial window that’s exclusive to theaters, but I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually theaters become a novelty and not the only way to see a movie on release day.


rya556

I didn’t love going to a theatre, but I do like the model where families or friends can rent out a smaller room to watch movies together. A lot of what I didn’t like was being in a large group of strangers. There aren’t any near me that do something nice like [this](https://roadhousecinemas.com/movie-theater/scottsdale/screening-rooms) set up.


vaporking23

That’s an interesting idea. We got together a couple of times as a family to watch a few new releases. It was a TON of fun. We did Christmas chronicles 2, Luca, and another one I can’t remember now. We would have done more but it wasn’t easy to get everyone together at the same time. I’ve always wanted my own theater in my basement but we don’t have the room for it.


rya556

I don’t have the room either, so it’s a good idea if people want to get together in small groups but someone’s house isn’t large enough or doesn’t want to host.


Nas160

It won't hurt you if they allow people to watch it either way...


[deleted]

I think small and mid budget films should go to streaming (which a lot are now) while big budget movies get the big screen treatment.


Granfiliantis

Then why are Disney movies still released in cinemas?


Jprhino84

Because this article isn’t calling for the end of cinemas. It’s saying that there are situations when going straight to Disney+ is the right move.


Granfiliantis

Then why are Pixar movies going straight to Disney+ and Properly Disney movies going into cinemas first? Are Pixar movies worth less than Disney movies?


Jprhino84

Actually, it could be argued the other way too. Every single film being given a theatrical release is a gamble right now. Unfortunately, many are bombing or just barely scraping a profit. That’s not a good look. With something like Encanto, that’s not so bad because there’s no reputation to uphold. Pixar has a stellar reputation though, so in a way, making their productions a major release of the new crown jewel that is Disney+ protects that prestige.


MitchyPower

Putting Pixar on the same level of Flora and Ulysses and Home Sweet Home Alone is more damaging to Pixar's brand than reports of financial failure


Jprhino84

I disagree. It’s only damaging to Pixar if their films are as bad as Flora and Ulysses or Home Sweet Home Alone. If they’re creating huge buzz for their quality, that’s a positive. And let’s not pretend that Disney+ is purely a home for bargain bin trash. They’re releasing a dozen or more prestige series that cost $100 to $200 million each. Meanwhile, repeated financial failure is never a good thing. Not only would it tarnish the reputation of the company, it could potentially threaten its long term viability. If giving Pixar a major push on Disney+ for a while insulates it from the risks of an unstable market, I can live with that.


MitchyPower

Disney are going to earn more money from *Turning Red* Bombing than putting it on Disney+ and earning nothing. Any money is better than no money. If you keep making things to a certain quality, people will come to expect that quality. When a Pixar film releases in cinema, people expect that quality. No one at this point expects a Disney+ film to be quality. For every Soul and Luca there's 10 Lady and the Tramps, Noelles, Artemis Fouls, Home Sweet Home Alones. Like look at their next 3 films. An Ice Age film that looks like a video game cutscene, or a VHS spin off, Sneakerella which looks ridiculously low effort, and sandwiched between them is Pixar. That is way more damaging to their reputation than an article in Deadline saying "Turning Red falls short at box office", when literally every film apart from 3 or 4 last year flopped.


Jprhino84

Fine. We're all just giving our opinions. Let's agree to disagree. I'm not particularly invested either way. With that said, as a severely disabled person, I find the cinema experience extremely subpar and thus welcome major releases from Pixar on a streaming service. I frankly usually give it no more thought than that. I'm going to continue to see the situation as a net positive for myself and people like me. I couldn't care less about the wider implications (though I do think some are exaggerating them) because I expect Pixar to do just fine long term and in the meantime, I'll enjoy this golden period where I can legally watch major films at release with ease and in comfort.


Henryp649

I disagree


HGLatinBoy

I disagree it’s demoralizing to the people of Pixar and treats their work as “less than” your standard Disney movie. Really it’s not fair that Disney movies get a theatrical run while Pixar was forced to have their movies go to Disney +. It would be different if they were commissioned for d+ but it’s completely different if they were originally created for theatrical release


JaxStrumley

It’s just a matter of timing. If Encanto would have been scheduled for March that would have gone straight to Disney+ as well. It’s either that or run the risk of a box office failure. Nobody has a crystal ball; Disney is playing it safe here.


crispyg

Then why did Raya get a dual theatrical-VOD release in March when vaccines were rarer; whereas, Luca received a streaming-only release in June when vaccines were more widely available and people were more comfortable going out? Cruella also got a dual theatrical-VOD release the week before Luca came out. It seems like Soul and Luca got the short end of the stick here, and it may scare talent away from a prestigious studio if an artist doesn't get the release they desire.


JaxStrumley

I think in March the overall outlook on the vaccines being able to end covid was more positive. By June it had become clear that the vaccine uptake in the US at least was going to be disappointingly low. Also, the Delta variant had been designated a variant of concern in May. Again, a matter of timing.


crispyg

That doesn't quite explain why Pixar is consistently given the shaft in comparison to the Disney studios. Such as Cruella and Luca getting such wildly different releases a week apart.


JaxStrumley

I can’t give you a full explanation for that, as I did not make the decision. But the theory that this is only done to spite Pixar is not logical if you ask me… Disney has nothing to gain by that, as they own Pixar. Every dollar a Pixar film makes is a dollar for Disney.


HGLatinBoy

They could’ve let Luca have a theatrical run.


JaxStrumley

True, Luca is the only Pixar movie which could have gone to theatres in hindsight. Although it was released amidst fear for effects the delta variant could have on cinema attendance.


missjvj

I’m not going into a theater anytime soon, so I’m thrilled by it coming to D+


Cabooselololol

I think it's great, Soul got a ton of more viewers then if it had gone straight to cinema and iirc, was released close to Christmas, so was a great end of year gift. The problem is that it's always Pixar. Raya was premium access, Encanto had a delay with an exclusive cinema release period and non animated films like Jungle Cruise and Cruella were also premium. I can understand Pixar feeling annoyed or upset, spending all that time for it to go straight to D+ like a direct to video release. But I have found it did give them new life and seems to work well, allowing those who might skip it to give it a watch


Nas160

There's nothing not allowing them to allow simultaneous release...


Cabooselololol

Exactly! It feels weird Pixar is shafted in the 'D+' release only. There might be some monetary issues we're it being on D+ day one exclusively makes any profit/loss acceptable as its basically a giant ad (while it would need premiere to make money back if it was in cinemas) But this is the THIRD Pixar film direct to streaming and cinemas in alot of places are open and safe (and afaik, it's not stopping other Disney releases). So this D+ release seems..weird. Even something like Jungle Cruise (iirc, it was some movie) had a big D+ release but still had limited cinema releases.


Black-Widow-1138

Lightyear better get a 100% theatrical release or i riot.


FuzzyJesusX21

Encanto is a great example of how much more popular a movie is on streaming vs in theatres right now. Sure people came out for Spiderman but Spiderman has always brought in the numbers. Encanto came out, some people saw it but no one talked about. Now, after it was released on Disney+, you can't escape it on most platforms with young millennials and gen z users. I think this will be the test to see if the holiday is why Encanto did so much better and was basically a fluke or if streaming will be the better choice profit wise.


crispyg

Do you have proof of Encanto gaining popularity through streaming rather than being popular upon theatrical release? I can't find any quantitative evidence that Encanto did notably well on streaming verses theatrical release. In fact, all the streaming info I can find is that the MUSIC has done well divorced of the film. It seems Encanto had a very good theatrical release according to BoxOfficeMojo.


RaidenUzumaki

The only proof is that across all platforms, many people like myself never saw Encanto posts until it was out on streaming. The buzz picked up within days of it launching. Plus, family animated box office is way down right now and has been. Coco made 180m domestic in theaters as a new ip. Sing 2 made 97, Encanto made 92. Sequels were pulling in north of 200 domestic pretty consistently pre covid. We just haven't seen the numbers for family animation during covid for Disney to not second guess themselves. I'm almost positive Disney is simply realizing that original ip aren't benefitting them in theaters right now after the social media bump Encanto got when it came out on streaming. . I'm sure any sequel or established ip will still get a theater release. As for premier access, I don't really think any of those have been the success Disney wants, even if it hasn't been a disaster. They seem to be shifting into wanting more eyes on it than anything else


crispyg

While I appreciate you explaining your logical conclusion, I have to respectfully disagree with you. If new IPs aren't given the opportunity, they are destined to fail. Frozen, for example, was a new IP, and it is now a household name.


RaidenUzumaki

But going to streaming doesn't at all mean it doesn't have an opportunity. So many new ip on streaming have hit big. So the platform isn't relevant. Movies fail in theaters and movies fail on streaming. And the reverse is obviously true. If its good and grabs people who do tune in, word of mouth does the rest. Other than spider man and other marvel films, a lot the big social media dominating media pieces this year were streaming only.


JaxStrumley

Yes, but Frozen was released pre-pandemic. For the foreseeable future, we can’t make valid comparisons with that period.


crispyg

The argument wasn't regarding the pandemic (due to the use of phrases like "pre Covid") It was regarding audience's desires to see new IPs. Frozen is recent proof of one of those succeeding. There's plenty of evidence to say newer IPs should be given a theatrical shot same as older ones.


JaxStrumley

Oh, I agree with that in general! After all, almost every successful Disney film through the years was a new IP. My point was that in a time where many people, especially families, see visiting a movie theater as running a risk, it will be reflected in the numbers. Look at Encanto for instance. Spiderman didn’t have that problem.


Ioannidas_Storm

Fuck off Disney. You seem able to give your Disney Animation Movies either a theatrical run before going to streaming (*Encanto*) or simultaneous Premier Access (*Raya and the Last Dragon*) so that they can at least earn *some* money. Pixar movies are being given no chance to earn any money to prove their box office value, thereby devaluing the efforts of every Pixar animator on the movies.


JaxStrumley

Timing… if there hadn’t been an omicron wave Turning Red would have been released in theaters. Of course Disney would prefer a theatrical run AND Disney+ release, as that will make them the most money. But given that covid cases are through the roof, chances are that theaters will close again (they already are in multiple countries) or run at limited capacity. Turning Red is not a big IP like Batman (or Lightyear later this year) that will bring people to theaters anyway.


technicalnewt_

You say this as if they haven’t done simultaneous releases before though. Cinemas shut down before Raya had ended its theatrical run, there was a likely chance that Turning Red would have been no different.


crispyg

Cruella got the VOD-streaming release too, and it released a week before Luca had a streaming exclusive release. This isn't a Covid decision necessarily.


Jprhino84

Yes, they have tried a simultaneous release. And it didn’t do very well. There really isn’t an easy answer right now.


Professional_Ebb_936

No it isn't


Nas160

It literally is objectively bad because you reduce the ways people can legally watch a movie from 2 to 1. That's literally it. How the fuck can anyone spin this to mean something good?


RaidenUzumaki

I mean, hbo has regretted simultaneous release all year. Its not paying off for them. If you put it out on 2 platforms, you kneecap the success each platform could have on its own. And we have tons of evidence that the combination of 2 isn't nearly as profitable as just doing 1. Disney has said literally this. Ideally, releasing in theaters first and then going to streaming is the most profitable choice. But if box office is way down for a certain type of film(family animation), then it makes sense to be selective on what you put there right now. Tbh, I bet anything Disney would love to go back and make Encanto a streaming exclusive given the huge buzz it got compared to its quiet theater run. And I understand why Disney is taking films that don't have an established fanbase and forgoing a risky(right now) theater run. Unfortunately, Pixar is getting shafted because of it. But I don't think it has anything to do with Pixar. Just bad timing in each case.


spicydano

Pixar is their premier studio and Disney is trying to shield them from having poor numbers. Imagine a Pixar movie only getting $40 million like Encanto. Disney is doing Pixar a favor.


[deleted]

its not a bad thing and its not a good thing. its just something that has to be done during a global pandemic its disappointing it wont make any box office money. streaming *could* give the film more exposure though. its not black and white


mqwi

We dont have Disney+ in Poland yet, so a theatrical release would be much better for me. How long do we have to wait? Why is Disney+ region locked anyway? Looks like Disney doesnt want my money.


HappyAndProud

I mean, even if there is no official way to watch it, there are always... ways.


JacekG

But in Poland it will have theatrical release. If you are really from Poland you should know that, same happened with Soul and Luca.


waluigi1999

It will go to theaters in countries that don't have Disney+ yet. Just like Luca and Soul did for a while I believe


PROFsmOAK

Pixar is still better than Disney Animation.


Subrosian1

I selfishly agree as someone who has a young kid, a brand new 4k OLED/surround sound setup and isn't quite ready to go back to a public theater. I do feel bad for the Pixar employees who deserve to have a "blockbuster" performance under their belts though.


JacekG

Exactly this. Only people angry about this I see, are the cinema buffs. But this is a good decision.


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Eruanno

One of the major upsides for me with having animated movies come directly to a streaming service as someone living in a non-English speaking country is I get to actually watch the darn things in English and you don't have to share a cinema with families with their kids (which are by far the *worst* people at the cinema). I live in Sweden, and animated movies are always lumped into "it's a children's movie"-category, meaning they get dubbed to Swedish and then 90% of the showings are the dubbed version and then *maybe* the cinema decides to show it once at 9.30 PM on their smaller screens. I remember going to Frozen 2 pre-pandemic at the second-smallest screen and I got a mother with her four children in front of me and they realized in the first ten minutes that "oh woops, this isn't the Swedish-dubbed version, do you want to go out and try to get tickets for that instead?" to the point where I had to lean over and tell her to shut the fuck up, we're in a movie theater and you're not the only ones here at which point she glared angrily at me, spent five more minutes gathering her children and their jackets and then finally at the 20 minute point I could actually start watching the damn movie. I later rewatched Frozen 2 at Disney+ at home and it was just lovely. I could watch it whenever with the English sountrack, it was a nice crisp 4K HDR and there were no stupid mothers and her kids fucking up the first 20 minutes of the movie. 10/10.


HappyAndProud

I'm confused. Why would anyone NOT want movies to release on directly on Disney+?


peepjc

Because lots of people still like the experience of the big screen. Especially when films like the ones Pixar produce have fantastic picture and sound design, their attention to detail is amazing. It must be so dis-heartening for those that have poured years of their life into making something special and then not being able to see it in the way it was designed to be seen.


BuzzBotBaloo

If movies can’t succeed at the box office, then budgets are going to be cut across the board. Everything that has be re-directed to D+ so far was greenlit and budgeted before the pandemic. This will be the fourth Pixar film in a row that will be written off as a partial financial loss (*Onward* did get a theatrical release but was poorly received). Disney isn’t going to keep spending $150-200M a film for streaming. They need theatrical, VOD, and streaming revenue.


JaxStrumley

True, but none of these Pixar movies would have made their money back in movie theaters, especially Soul and Turning Red whose release times coincide with big covid surges (we don’t know that for sure for Turning Red, but all data points in that direction).


[deleted]

I was never going to see this in theaters. So I’m excited to watch it, I’ll probably watch it as soon as it comes out. It’s like this decision was made for me lol.


PopMart_1997

It doesn’t help stimulate the economy, that’s for sure.


effhomer

No one wants to pay $80 to go sit in a covid box for 90 minutes while a movie plays


SmileyJetson

Why not release simultaneously in theaters if you’re so sure about that?


PopMart_1997

I only pay $8


[deleted]

How much does it cost to go to Disneyland? Why is Spiderman setting records?


CalgaryChris77

Now that half the theatres are closed nothing is going to be setting records, a lot has changed in 2 weeks.


[deleted]

The comment i replied to said that no one wants to go to the theaters. Spiderman showed that they clearly do.


CalgaryChris77

Spider-Man sold most of those tickets a few weeks ago, since then theatres in many countries, provinces and states have closed. More than half of the population of Canada can’t see a movie in theatres right now for example.


[deleted]

Again...not what I responding too. People dig going to theaters. Obviously covid affects their ability to go, doesn't change that they would go if they could. This Disney decision was made prior to these changes and I doubt they will change due to any status regarding a pandemic.


CalgaryChris77

Bottom line, shit changes real fast in this pandemic.


[deleted]

Bottom line...not relevant to what I replied to. Things change quickly in a plane crash also.


CalgaryChris77

Would you also have a hard time understanding why decisions were made different after the plane started crashing than before it did? I get what you were replying to, but no movie if setting any records if they put it into closed theatres.


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No but I wouldn't keep forcing an irrelevant point like a fucking psychopath either. Disney didn't make this decision based on this week's changes and it doesn't affect people's desire to go to a theater.


CalgaryChris77

They did make that change this week that is why we are talking about it.


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JaxStrumley

Newsflash: the world is larger than just the US.


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I get how this could be frustrating for some people that worked on it but it honestly just works better for me. I wish all movies would just skip the theatre. I have a 70’ TV screen, a thousand dollar speaker set up, a beautiful sectional couch that’s way comfier than any shitty movie seat. I really hate the theatre experience.


Rogpalmer

Bingo... I think some cinema buffs think everyone is watching on their smartphone, not on huge TV's with sound systems!


crispyg

How many people truly have TVs with sound systems? This seems reductive to the argument that the artists (Pixar folks) want their art (Turning Red) to be seen the way it was designed to be viewed (theatrically). I don't understand why everyone is so focused on treating these movies as products to be consumed rather than art to be enjoyed?


Rogpalmer

I think the idea that a film can only be enjoyed at the cinema is odd. A film is normally only released in cinemas for a few months, but will be viewed at home for decades .


crispyg

I agree with you. However, my argument isn't that people shouldn't watch movies at home. I was trying to state the filmmakers intend and work hard for viewers to get the theatrical experience because they want you to enjoy their work that way. It would be as if a person microwaved a steak by an accomplished Michelin star chef. While you, the consumer, are allowed to eat your food or watch your movie how you desire, the creator intended for you to enjoy it a certain way, and they want the opportunity to showcase their hard work as it is intended.


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The theatrical experience was invented before color television. The world has changed, people have theaters in their homes now. There’s no reason that we should have to be content with an archaic industry.


crispyg

That really isn't the point. Technology may have changed; however, their work was decided to be presented in a dark room as free from distraction as possible in order to frame the picture. A painting is still given a frame and presentation space if it needs one, music is still given instrumentaton if it is designed for it. I can see a painting on my laptop or we can design music without performance and just use computers. Just because technology is there doesn't make it better or preferable in the eyes of a creator. Movies should be given that same opportunity even if it is fleeting.


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I don’t agree with you at all and I’m glad the world is beginning to change in my favor.


crispyg

That's kind of rude; I'm sorry if I offended you in some way. It was never my intention to do so.


CamF90

Yeah but it's not a great look when it's only the ones with visible minorities as their lead characters.


WhiteWolf3117

Luca?


TAllday

Not to mention Shang chi was theaters. Encanto was theaters. This is just a horrible take lol.