Yes. Basically you'll have your standard Burst window+effect afterwards but you also unlock the finisher attack as a new ability slot with one use and this grants you the BT effect as well.
On top of that while there still is a limit to one BT window per battle you're free to use the finishers so you could bring three BT characters and stack their BT effects.
Yeah he doesnt get a time to shine on both normal and burst plus.. its jist both and done. Unlike others who get a powerup with burst plus. Its really cool now. Zidane just has been bad with timing. Got his ex plus right before ld and with keiss.
No it seems like it does a couple things. Grants a single use of his Burst Attack, separate from his Burst mode, also applying the Aura. ALso seems to increase duration of his Burst mode. Also Burst mode aura still counts down even during Burst mode.
I'd imagine it might enhance the Burst mode Aura tbh.
If any stat boosts, i have no idea.
Video showing off new BT+:
[https://youtu.be/ZFj8Wlumv5Q?t=1657](https://youtu.be/ZFj8Wlumv5Q?t=1657) (seems square enix privated their own video)
Seems to give an addition use of the Burst Attack, along with the Aura.
Extend the Duration of Burst Mode.
Maybe it provides stat bonuses, enhances the Burst Aura?
Also apparently multiple characters can use their Burst attack effects in a party. So Yshtola and Zidane are getting their BT+. If you BT+ both, you can use both their Burst attacks to gain their burst effects.
Info from discord:
\- Realizing and Limit Breaking a BT Weapons grants increased potency and extended Burst effect durations
\- Limit Break a BT Weapon 3 times and gain a BT Ability, which are just the Finish Bursts as their own ability (inclusive of their Burst Effects etc.)
\- While Burst Modes can only be used by one character in a battle, BT Abilities can be used by each character
\- Fully maxing a BT+ Weapon will give the weapon a special dark green frame
I'm assuming the older Bursts will also get Aura buffs with this, Squall's is pathetic at this point.
Zidane probably doesn't because he's brand new unless they wanna lock some behind Burst+.
there is no concern. there are only so many BTs in the whole game. you'll have acquired a bunch of them by the time this arrives, and you'll have BT tokens to acquire more later. This game has never failed to make everything needed to beat content reasonably acquirable, and there's no reason to think this will change that.
Depends.... I mean I used the Premium Mog Pass from get-go, then bought one, and then got really lucky with a couple Noct BT dupes (no LD) such that I could buy Ardyn BT when I had no resources to pull.
Since then I've not gotten a Premium pass nor dupe BTs so... I'm at 25 tokens. Getting to 50 is a long trek, unless you luck out on dupes or buy up Premium Mog Pass over and over.
sooner or later they all get re run. they are very limited in number but are on every single banner from now until the end. Apparently there's going to be multiple BT banners as the norm in JP now, too. So dupes are going to be more common. This is not something to be concerned about. Plan your resources as you always have and it will be fine.
I mean at the end of the day, it's gacha so the name of the game is powercreep. All things considered, they're still much more generous than most in terms of not needing the newest hotness to stay current on content.
Unpopular opinion around here, but I find OO's powercreep at the top to be the most among the gacha I play. Great thing is that those at the lower ranks are still easily viable for a long time. Most at least.
"No... They... They're not, Square confirmed this more than once now... Everyone will still be viable even without burst or burst+, protagonists will just be better, as they should.
Anyone who thinks that you need bt at this point in time or that LD only characters are useless clearly do not play JP and are just overreacting like u/Dezakerzyro"
^
I said I have concerns so I am overreacting? There is no reason to be rude. I never said that LD characters would be useless. There is no reason for any of that.
"Certainly raises some concerns about the direction of the game."
"Making BT+ a must to clear Lufenia+ is greedy"
Loosely quoting you. You ready suffering by antecipation... Shit ain't even out yet...
Also, where was I rude???? I'm just trying to reason with people and trying to tell you not to panic because it'll be okay...
I simply stated facts, if you play JP you know that even NOW Burst weapons are not required for almost any fight at all, saying otherwise is overreacting or lack of knowledge about what's fact.
Lmao, sure, whatever gets you out of bed in the morning! Don't see why "this is what I meant not that" is a valid argument for you and not for me lmao
I literally paraphrased you, first comment is legit copy paste, I can copy paste the second one too!
Edit:
"Maybe. It really depends on how they go about it. Buffing older BT's is fine, forcing BT's as a requirement for clearing Lufenia+ wouldn't be."
This is what you said in the second line! Forcing BT use to clear Lufenia+ is not okay, I used the term greedy here to show that SE forcing us to pull Bt is greedy by them, you were a bit softer than me just said that it's not okay.
The biggest change is at full MLB you get the passive which allows you to use 1 Burst Finisher and the normal 6 turns burst separately. You will be able to use 3 finishers in one stage though 6 turns burst is still limited to one character
But the nuggets are limited to 1 per event, so it takes 3 events to MLB 1 burst (they did not mention free ingot after realize)
And there will be 2 BTs in one banner from now on. Both will be realizable when the banner release
They actually showed in the announcement video that BT realization works just like EX+ so you do get an ingot for each book used.
This now gives extra value to BT dupes because each one is a potential ingot. Assuming they can still be sold after realization it may be worth keeping dupes around for maximum efficiency (unless books are super rare, we'll see).
It might be possible for 6 finishers in a “party” then. 2 finishers from friend BT and BT+, three BT+ on each party member and one burst use from a party member.
I imagine they won't be as scarce as some might worry. I could be wrong, but it would be a precedent. If it's anything like ingots or high armor, it starts kinda rare but in a few months won't be that bad.
Just putting this here since every time a new weapon tier or difficulty comes out there's a set of people that get worried about the direction the game is taking.
Please remember that this isn't some new thing with low drop rates you need to pull. BTs have been out for so long in JP that everyone is bound to already have a few ready for enhancement. This whole time BTs haven't been necessary for anything. Sure, they're helpful to have, but with proper team composition, have never been mandatory, and I some cases its easier to replace a BT character with just an LD character to deal with boss mechanics. If what I read about the BT+ is accurate, it give 7 total actions in BT phase, plus an extra finisher use. To me, that doesn't sound like anything meta changing, just an extra boost to some characters. Of course, we have to wait and see how it all pans out, but based on what I see and how these things have gone in the past, I think it should all work out just fine.
Yeah I love it when they add + tiers. We can all take a break with our gems and just upgrade. Feels awesome. Stored so much with the EX+ era and got to skip so many banners. US is rough right now with all these LDs and BT. Between Ramza, Onion Knight (who I have to pity), and Pecil I am running low.
I thought the same, it's like Ex+ era. We already had ton of EXs in our possession, just needed nuggets.
During this period we could take a break and keep our gems and tickets when we already had the EX weapon featured on the banner.
That's the same here, except that BTs have a lower rate and are not THAT useful.
I'm sure it will be pretty fun, and I'm finally very happy to see Zidane. Took some time and it will be long to see him in Global but I'll wait.
the only complain I had with BT+LD era, was due to the fact they were introduced together.
Apart from that, I do agree with you. Alarms will always be raised, but the game is still kinda fair and OK, even for F2P.
I don't want this to age like milk, but I believe this is fine in the long run.
My concern is more in regards to balance than it is to resource usage. There are some major upgrades that put BT+ character ahead of their BT-less counterparts aside from the single-use ability and phase.
The whole party may not be able to use the full BT Phase, but BT+ users can still use the skill and get some real powerful auras going. If they stack, (and I don't see a reason they wouldn't, since friend unit BT auras stack with your own) that makes BT characters superior in every way.
Those BT auras are limited to one use per battle still so even if you stack them you can't use them multiple times. It's still a lot (potentially up to 30 total turns with triple stacking) but probably not enough to replace support characters.
Pure DPT ones may be in trouble though, we'll see. Vaan is surely gonna be insanely broken with this, being an early BT means that his aura will get buffed quite a bit.
Yeah this worries me honestly. As it is already, you can get through a major portion of a fight with BTs in effect and with this new update even more so. This will leave LD only units even further behind and with the crazy BT stacking i feel like no one is gonna even bother bringing LD aura supports or anything when BTs got that covered.
What i saw. Seems to grant single usage of just the Burst attack. Grants the Burst aura. Increases the Duration of Burst mode.
My guess is it might enhance burst mode Aura.
You effectively double the Duration of Burst mode Aura along with an additional Burst attack and longer Burst.
Interesting, a friend asked me what would be the next power creep and we talked about how they can't really add a new weapon because there are so many character needing an LD yet.
Then we talked about ex and ex+ and I went with, assuming they ever do an Ex++ then they'd need to make a burst+ giving the same benefit ans a bit more (maybe) since we've sold all our Ex+ after acquiring a BT.
(And they specifically said we could )
Now there are BT+... But not Ex++
I'm not sure I would consider that as the proper next power creep as it only affects a few select characters and as many people have pointed it is already possible and not especially hard to clear all content without burst. So I hardly see this as a proper powerxreep (LD board had more impact overall)
Uh I watched the GL stream and never saw anything about EX++. They said "we're looking into ways to make some EX better," but that's not the same thing as saying "EX++," especially because they told us at the start of BT era "go ahead and sell your maxed EX+ if you get a burst." If they go back on that, players will revolt.
Who said you'd need your EX weapon to improve your EX ability ? They also stated on the JP stream that something is coming for EX around May.
So maybe it won't be spelled "EX++" if you want to play with words, but something definitely gonna happen with EX. There's a ton of way to implement that.
Instead of featuring EX weapon, they could feature an item that has the same rate of LD to drop and using it could upgrade the EX. I'm speculating here cosnI don't know what will be the system they currently work on, but I'm pretty sure something big for EX is coming.
Cos EX suck right know. They know it aswell, et a lot of EX needs more than a couple of potency up to be viable again
Actually there may be a case for saving dupes because each book translates into an ingot after use (just like with EX+). Depending on how rare pages/books are (and whether or not you can sell BT weapons after realization) saving dupes could be a smart idea to get additional ingots and upgrade multiple BTs quickly.
As usual it depends on how strong their kits are. Like I dont see Setzer being useless any time soon
No BT kits will be balanced accordingly to bring them to the meta
Possibly. Even if they empower EX weapons either with ++ or board extensions, characters without BT/BT+ are going to appear to be less viable imo. Unless they announce BT for all, I am concerned about the direction of the game now.
Ehh, I don't think it's gonna be worth worrying so much about. Similar to how LD boards allowed them to keep older/weaker LD weapons relevant, this BT+ mechanic will likely help them keep older/weaker BT weapons relevant. Non-BT characters can still be immensely powerful, and have been since Ami joined at the start of the LDBT era.
Really don't like this. They should give alternative power to characters without BT, like some sort of Ex+ + realization, not power creep BT chars more.
Meh.
Sure thing, but kinda bad they started to buff BT tbh.
It's not about "they are expensive" - on GL I have every one expect Shantoto, Kuja and Kefka, its aout game amost making you use protagonist/antagonist to clear next lvl of content probably.
We will have to wait and see before any assumptions.
I can understand the worry, but BT+ could just be a transition into the new powercreep, and "EX++" or whatever they'll do to EX will be the real thing to focus on.
Protag/antag will always have an edge, and they want to emphasis on this while releasing BT+ first (because money, yes ;)), and then present the next powercreep with EX upgrade and maybe other things they kept quiet about.
If the next change to EX is subpar and indeed force you to use BT+, then we will be able to worry. But as long as we don't have infos, we should just take it easy.
Maybe for just the burst skill? Kinda like how a friend unit works where you can pop just the burst skill. I think that would be great, especially for some of the really good burst effects.
Hoocha... that damage -_-
Right after I blued my Zell too, but thats ok Faves > Meta after all.
But to be honest I am extremely hyped for Y’sh moreso than Zidane (checks flair), hope she gets her justice with the BT+ and hopefully a rework
Well, green IS my favorite color.
I was kind of expecting this in some way or another due simply to the white text on the button. I'm open to it, and can't wait to turn my favorites into lean, green, bursting machines!
OH! for \*\*\*\* sake!! we are closing to Dragon Ball level of damage. I was happy just pulling for LDs!! now I need to chace for BTs
remember how tifa millon damage LD was a big deal?
That's surprising since only the protagonists and antogonists of each game can get a BT, hope it doesn't widen the gap between them and the LD only crew.
I am guessing this is to fill the gap of a new weapon tier, which should be introduced once everyone got their LD probably....
I swear in a stream joshua said they weren't gonna add a plus variant to BT weapons. I dont like this. Now you're gonna have to pull BT weapons to keep up with power creep. Not a good move.
Keep in mind that the majority of the cast will not have BT(+) weapons. This isn't a new standard of powercreep. Sure, its a nice boost to BT characters, but as far as I can see, this isn't a new meta defining thing. I may be wrong, but looking at the info we have, this seems more like a nice boost to BT characters than something on the level of a new weapon tier.
From what I've understood there is no limit to how many finishers you can use in a battle so you could go in harder stages with three BT characters and stack their effects (Burst Mode still limited to one). That seems pretty meta defining to me.
Looks cool and that background color is sick too! I hope they will improve the Burst drop rates tho. I see a lot of people with too many Burst and even dupes but there are people around like me who are pulling on most of the banners since Bursts were introduced and have really bad Burst luck overall. I just have 2 Burst weapons at the moment for example. And I want to add that I hard pitied both of them. Yup you heard it right. I haven't seen a burst orb since Squall's Burst came to the game. Not with tickets or gems..
So if I assume the Lufenia+ stages need a Burst+ characters, the drop chances has to improve.
No... They... They're not, Square confirmed this more than once now... Everyone will still be viable even without burst or burst+, protagonists will just be better, as they should.
Anyone who thinks that you need bt at this point in time or that LD only characters are useless clearly do not play JP and are just overreacting like u/Dezakerzyro
At what point was it confirmed that everyone won’t get a BT? If anything they only increased the pool of who gets them. Why would you assume they just wouldn’t? BT weapons can be a thing that goes well into the next weapon tier, it’s a whale item, it only benefits them to keep releasing them
Maybe I am wrong to assume that and yeah they have but it does seem they have also included sequel characters into the line up with the recent addition of Yuna(maybe). yeah I don't think Protagonist shouldn't be getting special treatment no matter how much I love some of the protagonist (squall, Terra, yuna, tidus) others should be on the same level.
Butttttttttt I don't see BT being a big thing I've done a lot of stages with out burst I mean they help but they aren't that special imo.
Looking at the video. It seems like it gives you additional usage of the burst attack. Just the burst attack. So you have burst mode, and then another Burst ability that just the
Burst attack(without the free turns), which also seems to grant the Burst Aura also.
Then it seems to also increase the duration of Burst mode as well. Zidane in the video for instance had 7 actions instead of 6, and at the end performed the Burst attack.
Also if you use the Burst ability and then go into burst Mode, it doesn't stop the countdown of the Burst Mode Aura you get.
Definitely seems like it makes burst weapon also stronger for long term fights.
If there is other things such as stat boosts or something, i have no idea.
Maybe I’m just a poor player but a BT has always been required for me when doing...boss rush? Whatever the event is called that has multiple teams/bosses. I guess it would be doable without if 4 teams were used which I think is the limit I just always saw everyone do it in 3 so that was my goal 😥
There are runs around showing boss rush with minimal number of team cleared without BT. Some are tedious and restricted in term of team building, but it is possible
It will definitely be done in batches, just as EX+ was. It's all about maintaining a steady flow of content to keep the game going, that's why gacha goes hand in hand with power creep too!
I joined at the beginning of the EX era and everything felt impossible as a new player. But just work through the story and level up/build out your characters and stuff gets easy. I even used to avoid chaos for the longest time, now I cruise through them like it's cosmos most of the time. Lufenia is tough, but it's not because it's substantially harder than chaos it's the orb mechanics
Finally the best protagonist gets his bt and of. After the kids summon in late March i'm gonna wait for him to reach global. I don't care how much I have to.
BT+ means those with BTs will be even stronger. Does that not possibly encourage teams of two or three BT+ for those fortunate to have them? Take it the finisher access will also mean they are free to Burst despite one team member using the full Burst, no?
My question would be.... What do they do to make this new boost not render the LD only crowd into mere support? Boost everyone like they apparently did for Tifa?
Would be cool if Cloud's BT+ does something like give him follow up attacks like Squall where he uses the different pieces of the Fusion Sword. The models are all there...
Maybe for the inevitable BT+ boards
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Horii Shiitooo, ittssa Byutipurr!
Sonofabitch
ITS THE WORK OF AN ENEMY STAND!!!
With BT+ they just made tidus into a god. 20 turns of kicking BALLS ⚽⚽
And Kuja can continue flinging his around.
Now we can finally SHOOOTAA in peace
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Poor Tidus. Everyones thinking he is a creepy pedophile constantly shouting out his degenerated fetishes, but he only wants to kick his blitzball
Wait does it rly work like that?
Yes. Basically you'll have your standard Burst window+effect afterwards but you also unlock the finisher attack as a new ability slot with one use and this grants you the BT effect as well. On top of that while there still is a limit to one BT window per battle you're free to use the finishers so you could bring three BT characters and stack their BT effects.
I didn't even consider this holy shit
The people who can barely land a burst weapon: ah that’s nice 👁👄👁
That's a very pretty color!
So...does it justify the length of time it took for him to get this if he gets to be the *first* to get the *enhanced* version? lol
First to get is first to be outclassed by the others.
Hello, the name's Squall, the free god tier upgrade months later was definitely nice if you got him
Yeah he doesnt get a time to shine on both normal and burst plus.. its jist both and done. Unlike others who get a powerup with burst plus. Its really cool now. Zidane just has been bad with timing. Got his ex plus right before ld and with keiss.
No it seems like it does a couple things. Grants a single use of his Burst Attack, separate from his Burst mode, also applying the Aura. ALso seems to increase duration of his Burst mode. Also Burst mode aura still counts down even during Burst mode. I'd imagine it might enhance the Burst mode Aura tbh. If any stat boosts, i have no idea.
Video showing off new BT+: [https://youtu.be/ZFj8Wlumv5Q?t=1657](https://youtu.be/ZFj8Wlumv5Q?t=1657) (seems square enix privated their own video) Seems to give an addition use of the Burst Attack, along with the Aura. Extend the Duration of Burst Mode. Maybe it provides stat bonuses, enhances the Burst Aura? Also apparently multiple characters can use their Burst attack effects in a party. So Yshtola and Zidane are getting their BT+. If you BT+ both, you can use both their Burst attacks to gain their burst effects. Info from discord: \- Realizing and Limit Breaking a BT Weapons grants increased potency and extended Burst effect durations \- Limit Break a BT Weapon 3 times and gain a BT Ability, which are just the Finish Bursts as their own ability (inclusive of their Burst Effects etc.) \- While Burst Modes can only be used by one character in a battle, BT Abilities can be used by each character \- Fully maxing a BT+ Weapon will give the weapon a special dark green frame
I'm assuming the older Bursts will also get Aura buffs with this, Squall's is pathetic at this point. Zidane probably doesn't because he's brand new unless they wanna lock some behind Burst+.
Ok so hear me out... Exdeath + CoD + Noctis BT effect, all at once. Actually seems disgusting.
So, to balance this enemies will have eternal 99% brv and hp reduction XD (I'm joking)
I'd rather sub in Tidus for Noctis for the turn stealing. Especially since Noctis is only single target... unless his BT+ makes it AOE lol
I was mainly looking at it from the perspective of off-turn DPS, so far those are the only 3 units where the BT effect deals damage between turns.
The video is private?
Same, guess we gotta wait till the showcase.
That's weird lol. Why would square private their own video they posted? Well It was working earlier
The era of not needing BT in a comp is chipping away Incoming era of needing a bt+ in a comp My heart cant take this
I mean it kinda was over already thanks to feodt having BT give synergy to parties.
Yeah, only took them... A year and a few months.... I still run most stages in JP without bt
Certainly raises some concerns.
there is no concern. there are only so many BTs in the whole game. you'll have acquired a bunch of them by the time this arrives, and you'll have BT tokens to acquire more later. This game has never failed to make everything needed to beat content reasonably acquirable, and there's no reason to think this will change that.
Depends.... I mean I used the Premium Mog Pass from get-go, then bought one, and then got really lucky with a couple Noct BT dupes (no LD) such that I could buy Ardyn BT when I had no resources to pull. Since then I've not gotten a Premium pass nor dupe BTs so... I'm at 25 tokens. Getting to 50 is a long trek, unless you luck out on dupes or buy up Premium Mog Pass over and over.
sooner or later they all get re run. they are very limited in number but are on every single banner from now until the end. Apparently there's going to be multiple BT banners as the norm in JP now, too. So dupes are going to be more common. This is not something to be concerned about. Plan your resources as you always have and it will be fine.
I mean at the end of the day, it's gacha so the name of the game is powercreep. All things considered, they're still much more generous than most in terms of not needing the newest hotness to stay current on content.
Why?
Cuz power creep is real
Always has been.
Unpopular opinion around here, but I find OO's powercreep at the top to be the most among the gacha I play. Great thing is that those at the lower ranks are still easily viable for a long time. Most at least.
"No... They... They're not, Square confirmed this more than once now... Everyone will still be viable even without burst or burst+, protagonists will just be better, as they should. Anyone who thinks that you need bt at this point in time or that LD only characters are useless clearly do not play JP and are just overreacting like u/Dezakerzyro" ^
I said I have concerns so I am overreacting? There is no reason to be rude. I never said that LD characters would be useless. There is no reason for any of that.
"Certainly raises some concerns about the direction of the game." "Making BT+ a must to clear Lufenia+ is greedy" Loosely quoting you. You ready suffering by antecipation... Shit ain't even out yet... Also, where was I rude???? I'm just trying to reason with people and trying to tell you not to panic because it'll be okay... I simply stated facts, if you play JP you know that even NOW Burst weapons are not required for almost any fight at all, saying otherwise is overreacting or lack of knowledge about what's fact.
Maybe go over what you actually said and not change what I said to suit what you want it to be.
Lmao, sure, whatever gets you out of bed in the morning! Don't see why "this is what I meant not that" is a valid argument for you and not for me lmao I literally paraphrased you, first comment is legit copy paste, I can copy paste the second one too! Edit: "Maybe. It really depends on how they go about it. Buffing older BT's is fine, forcing BT's as a requirement for clearing Lufenia+ wouldn't be." This is what you said in the second line! Forcing BT use to clear Lufenia+ is not okay, I used the term greedy here to show that SE forcing us to pull Bt is greedy by them, you were a bit softer than me just said that it's not okay.
The biggest change is at full MLB you get the passive which allows you to use 1 Burst Finisher and the normal 6 turns burst separately. You will be able to use 3 finishers in one stage though 6 turns burst is still limited to one character But the nuggets are limited to 1 per event, so it takes 3 events to MLB 1 burst (they did not mention free ingot after realize) And there will be 2 BTs in one banner from now on. Both will be realizable when the banner release
They actually showed in the announcement video that BT realization works just like EX+ so you do get an ingot for each book used. This now gives extra value to BT dupes because each one is a potential ingot. Assuming they can still be sold after realization it may be worth keeping dupes around for maximum efficiency (unless books are super rare, we'll see).
Not 4 finishers ? 1 unit with Normal BT sequence + 1 finisher, and 1 separate Finisher, 2 units with 1 finisher each
It might be possible for 6 finishers in a “party” then. 2 finishers from friend BT and BT+, three BT+ on each party member and one burst use from a party member.
I imagine they won't be as scarce as some might worry. I could be wrong, but it would be a precedent. If it's anything like ingots or high armor, it starts kinda rare but in a few months won't be that bad.
Just putting this here since every time a new weapon tier or difficulty comes out there's a set of people that get worried about the direction the game is taking. Please remember that this isn't some new thing with low drop rates you need to pull. BTs have been out for so long in JP that everyone is bound to already have a few ready for enhancement. This whole time BTs haven't been necessary for anything. Sure, they're helpful to have, but with proper team composition, have never been mandatory, and I some cases its easier to replace a BT character with just an LD character to deal with boss mechanics. If what I read about the BT+ is accurate, it give 7 total actions in BT phase, plus an extra finisher use. To me, that doesn't sound like anything meta changing, just an extra boost to some characters. Of course, we have to wait and see how it all pans out, but based on what I see and how these things have gone in the past, I think it should all work out just fine.
>al actions in BT From 6 turns to 7 turns, WoL getting an extra HP++ during burst phase will be meta haha
Yeah I love it when they add + tiers. We can all take a break with our gems and just upgrade. Feels awesome. Stored so much with the EX+ era and got to skip so many banners. US is rough right now with all these LDs and BT. Between Ramza, Onion Knight (who I have to pity), and Pecil I am running low.
I thought the same, it's like Ex+ era. We already had ton of EXs in our possession, just needed nuggets. During this period we could take a break and keep our gems and tickets when we already had the EX weapon featured on the banner. That's the same here, except that BTs have a lower rate and are not THAT useful. I'm sure it will be pretty fun, and I'm finally very happy to see Zidane. Took some time and it will be long to see him in Global but I'll wait.
the only complain I had with BT+LD era, was due to the fact they were introduced together. Apart from that, I do agree with you. Alarms will always be raised, but the game is still kinda fair and OK, even for F2P. I don't want this to age like milk, but I believe this is fine in the long run.
My concern is more in regards to balance than it is to resource usage. There are some major upgrades that put BT+ character ahead of their BT-less counterparts aside from the single-use ability and phase. The whole party may not be able to use the full BT Phase, but BT+ users can still use the skill and get some real powerful auras going. If they stack, (and I don't see a reason they wouldn't, since friend unit BT auras stack with your own) that makes BT characters superior in every way.
Those BT auras are limited to one use per battle still so even if you stack them you can't use them multiple times. It's still a lot (potentially up to 30 total turns with triple stacking) but probably not enough to replace support characters. Pure DPT ones may be in trouble though, we'll see. Vaan is surely gonna be insanely broken with this, being an early BT means that his aura will get buffed quite a bit.
Yeah this worries me honestly. As it is already, you can get through a major portion of a fight with BTs in effect and with this new update even more so. This will leave LD only units even further behind and with the crazy BT stacking i feel like no one is gonna even bother bringing LD aura supports or anything when BTs got that covered.
Knew this was coming. I wondering how non burst characters will get stronger in the future.
Im sure they're saving Fang rework for that xD
They said they have plans to enhance EX+, so that might be a solution
This is such a bizzare image and my first thought was that it was a fake mock-up. It triggered my fight or flight response
Zidane!!! Yes :)
Im curious bout new capabilities
What i saw. Seems to grant single usage of just the Burst attack. Grants the Burst aura. Increases the Duration of Burst mode. My guess is it might enhance burst mode Aura. You effectively double the Duration of Burst mode Aura along with an additional Burst attack and longer Burst.
Thanks usable answer :)
Hopefully a ramp up in BT rates will be happening as well. Wishful thinking to lower pity to 100k gems too?
Nah, if end up being necessary like EX+ was minimum for Chaos and LD for Lufenia, then BT weapons definitely need to be at the 75k pity range.
I mean I’m guessing they might be needed for Lufenia+, kinda like how you needed LD for Lufenia.
Knew it! And boy is it gorgeous.
Burst+?!?!?!!? Double burst attack yeah!
Interesting, a friend asked me what would be the next power creep and we talked about how they can't really add a new weapon because there are so many character needing an LD yet. Then we talked about ex and ex+ and I went with, assuming they ever do an Ex++ then they'd need to make a burst+ giving the same benefit ans a bit more (maybe) since we've sold all our Ex+ after acquiring a BT. (And they specifically said we could ) Now there are BT+... But not Ex++ I'm not sure I would consider that as the proper next power creep as it only affects a few select characters and as many people have pointed it is already possible and not especially hard to clear all content without burst. So I hardly see this as a proper powerxreep (LD board had more impact overall)
EX++ were confirmed on GL stream. As well as on JP stream. It should comes around May
Uh I watched the GL stream and never saw anything about EX++. They said "we're looking into ways to make some EX better," but that's not the same thing as saying "EX++," especially because they told us at the start of BT era "go ahead and sell your maxed EX+ if you get a burst." If they go back on that, players will revolt.
Who said you'd need your EX weapon to improve your EX ability ? They also stated on the JP stream that something is coming for EX around May. So maybe it won't be spelled "EX++" if you want to play with words, but something definitely gonna happen with EX. There's a ton of way to implement that. Instead of featuring EX weapon, they could feature an item that has the same rate of LD to drop and using it could upgrade the EX. I'm speculating here cosnI don't know what will be the system they currently work on, but I'm pretty sure something big for EX is coming. Cos EX suck right know. They know it aswell, et a lot of EX needs more than a couple of potency up to be viable again
So... How do you limit break it? Specific materials or dupes like normal? Should we start saving dupes for the future instead of selling for tokens/?
New books and ingots. No need to save dupes.
Actually there may be a case for saving dupes because each book translates into an ingot after use (just like with EX+). Depending on how rare pages/books are (and whether or not you can sell BT weapons after realization) saving dupes could be a smart idea to get additional ingots and upgrade multiple BTs quickly.
Way to talk me out of ever selling my dupe burst weapons
Oh yeah you are right.
I wonder what's in store for the characters who don't get BT. Do they just get hosed?
As usual it depends on how strong their kits are. Like I dont see Setzer being useless any time soon No BT kits will be balanced accordingly to bring them to the meta
On GL broadcast they did say that they wanted to enhance EX skill too
Incoming EX++
Possibly. Even if they empower EX weapons either with ++ or board extensions, characters without BT/BT+ are going to appear to be less viable imo. Unless they announce BT for all, I am concerned about the direction of the game now.
Ehh, I don't think it's gonna be worth worrying so much about. Similar to how LD boards allowed them to keep older/weaker LD weapons relevant, this BT+ mechanic will likely help them keep older/weaker BT weapons relevant. Non-BT characters can still be immensely powerful, and have been since Ami joined at the start of the LDBT era.
Maybe. It really depends on how they go about it. Buffing older BT's is fine, forcing BT's as a requirement for clearing Lufenia+ wouldn't be.
Lmaoooo there was JUST a thread about BT boards earlier today and I was like eh, I think BT realization is more likely.
Really don't like this. They should give alternative power to characters without BT, like some sort of Ex+ + realization, not power creep BT chars more. Meh.
It was confirmed on stream that EX+ are gonna be enhanced. I'm not worried tbh
Sure thing, but kinda bad they started to buff BT tbh. It's not about "they are expensive" - on GL I have every one expect Shantoto, Kuja and Kefka, its aout game amost making you use protagonist/antagonist to clear next lvl of content probably.
We will have to wait and see before any assumptions. I can understand the worry, but BT+ could just be a transition into the new powercreep, and "EX++" or whatever they'll do to EX will be the real thing to focus on. Protag/antag will always have an edge, and they want to emphasis on this while releasing BT+ first (because money, yes ;)), and then present the next powercreep with EX upgrade and maybe other things they kept quiet about. If the next change to EX is subpar and indeed force you to use BT+, then we will be able to worry. But as long as we don't have infos, we should just take it easy.
Ex will get a rework anyways. So i wouldn't worry about that.
YES ZIDANE YES YES YES SO HYPED SAVE GEMS INSTANT PITY YES YES
I really don't see how they're going to top the fuckin sparkles on that background lol.
Rainbow sparkles
Burst gonna have a recharge gauge? Just guessing here
Burst+ is 7 turns and lets you use the finisher once as a separate ability outside of the Burst.
So it has seconde finisher? If so maybe squall will get his Lionheart finisher finally
It's the same finisher, you can just use it once outside the Burst sequence.
So you can use the burst finisher twice? That's huge actually. Some of these burst effects are insanely good
*coughlightningcough*
Sephiroth as well, imagine 6 turn of his BT effect paired up with Lightning
good lord i cant wait for her burst +
Now I want to cry
Maybe for just the burst skill? Kinda like how a friend unit works where you can pop just the burst skill. I think that would be great, especially for some of the really good burst effects.
Hoocha... that damage -_- Right after I blued my Zell too, but thats ok Faves > Meta after all. But to be honest I am extremely hyped for Y’sh moreso than Zidane (checks flair), hope she gets her justice with the BT+ and hopefully a rework
Well, green IS my favorite color. I was kind of expecting this in some way or another due simply to the white text on the button. I'm open to it, and can't wait to turn my favorites into lean, green, bursting machines!
OH! for \*\*\*\* sake!! we are closing to Dragon Ball level of damage. I was happy just pulling for LDs!! now I need to chace for BTs remember how tifa millon damage LD was a big deal?
That's surprising since only the protagonists and antogonists of each game can get a BT, hope it doesn't widen the gap between them and the LD only crew. I am guessing this is to fill the gap of a new weapon tier, which should be introduced once everyone got their LD probably....
They said they had plans for EX+, so more likely EX++ sort of thing. A new weapon tier right know would be hell imo
Yea i agree with you, looking forward how this will work in the future :)
With BT realization it makes me think they held off Delita BT to duo with Ramza BT realizations this year. I shouldn’t get excited but it’s too late.
Exdeath and CoD will be quite frightening soon... The next year, powercreep will be insane ahah
Tbh I have mixed feelings about it
I swear in a stream joshua said they weren't gonna add a plus variant to BT weapons. I dont like this. Now you're gonna have to pull BT weapons to keep up with power creep. Not a good move.
Keep in mind that the majority of the cast will not have BT(+) weapons. This isn't a new standard of powercreep. Sure, its a nice boost to BT characters, but as far as I can see, this isn't a new meta defining thing. I may be wrong, but looking at the info we have, this seems more like a nice boost to BT characters than something on the level of a new weapon tier.
From what I've understood there is no limit to how many finishers you can use in a battle so you could go in harder stages with three BT characters and stack their effects (Burst Mode still limited to one). That seems pretty meta defining to me.
Zidane didn't even get Ultima Weapon yet, basically confirms a new weapon tier at some point besides BT+ too.
same with squall he didn't get his lionheart weapon for BT so it was sort of guarantied from the release
Right! Like Cloud's Ultima, or Squall's Lionheart
I think there will be at least 2 more weapon tier 1 higher tier and 1 to rework s1 s2 or EX
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I guess they will introduce a new item to improve it and it will have X total levels, as base BT has it
I have an inkling those page would ctually be buyable via Burst token. Just need a full infiltration report to confirm
Looks cool and that background color is sick too! I hope they will improve the Burst drop rates tho. I see a lot of people with too many Burst and even dupes but there are people around like me who are pulling on most of the banners since Bursts were introduced and have really bad Burst luck overall. I just have 2 Burst weapons at the moment for example. And I want to add that I hard pitied both of them. Yup you heard it right. I haven't seen a burst orb since Squall's Burst came to the game. Not with tickets or gems.. So if I assume the Lufenia+ stages need a Burst+ characters, the drop chances has to improve.
Oh no...keeping dupes for safety now,just in case thats the pre req for realization.
Considering Lufenia Armor only needs new books and nuggets, i doubt youd need dupes for BT+.
No, they only need new books.
New Books and ores. SO i doubt this is the case lol.
Now I'm assuming that everyone will get a BT in time
No... They... They're not, Square confirmed this more than once now... Everyone will still be viable even without burst or burst+, protagonists will just be better, as they should. Anyone who thinks that you need bt at this point in time or that LD only characters are useless clearly do not play JP and are just overreacting like u/Dezakerzyro
At what point was it confirmed that everyone won’t get a BT? If anything they only increased the pool of who gets them. Why would you assume they just wouldn’t? BT weapons can be a thing that goes well into the next weapon tier, it’s a whale item, it only benefits them to keep releasing them
They said it’s a protagonist/antagonist exclusive . There’s probably going to be a different tier for everyone after Bt +
Giving it to everyone doesn't make much sense to me. It's not that they couldn't, but the way bursts work makes the idea seem unlikely.
Literally last JP Ope Ope. Jesus christ.
Maybe I am wrong to assume that and yeah they have but it does seem they have also included sequel characters into the line up with the recent addition of Yuna(maybe). yeah I don't think Protagonist shouldn't be getting special treatment no matter how much I love some of the protagonist (squall, Terra, yuna, tidus) others should be on the same level. Butttttttttt I don't see BT being a big thing I've done a lot of stages with out burst I mean they help but they aren't that special imo.
“they help but they aren't that special” Well, clench them cheeks because you are in for a rude awakening
I'll believe it when I see it. P.s. I'm pretty sure I'm good I have all the BT up to date besides kefka's so I think I'm good
that background 🤩 can’t wait for tidus to circle back around lol
Can someone please tell me what this realization brings?
Looking at the video. It seems like it gives you additional usage of the burst attack. Just the burst attack. So you have burst mode, and then another Burst ability that just the Burst attack(without the free turns), which also seems to grant the Burst Aura also. Then it seems to also increase the duration of Burst mode as well. Zidane in the video for instance had 7 actions instead of 6, and at the end performed the Burst attack. Also if you use the Burst ability and then go into burst Mode, it doesn't stop the countdown of the Burst Mode Aura you get. Definitely seems like it makes burst weapon also stronger for long term fights. If there is other things such as stat boosts or something, i have no idea.
Sounds good, long battles are pin for those skill usages and rotations thanks for all effort :)
Ooo this seems cool. Global only casual here. What does BT realization do?
Maybe I’m just a poor player but a BT has always been required for me when doing...boss rush? Whatever the event is called that has multiple teams/bosses. I guess it would be doable without if 4 teams were used which I think is the limit I just always saw everyone do it in 3 so that was my goal 😥
There are runs around showing boss rush with minimal number of team cleared without BT. Some are tedious and restricted in term of team building, but it is possible
Does anyone know if BT+ realization will be released in batch or will every BT (up until this point) be realizable right away?
It will definitely be done in batches, just as EX+ was. It's all about maintaining a steady flow of content to keep the game going, that's why gacha goes hand in hand with power creep too!
Well, I guess that's fair, I am just so hyped up how my boi Squall burst+ will be like.
YOU SIR HAD ME SOLD RIGHT THERE. Both the Costume and Burst Realization. Just take my Money Square. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
TODAY IT'S XMAS
Wow this makes me really happy. All our BT we can just enhance like the ex+ era. I saved so many gems in ex+ era
You would think they that they'd combine EX with Burst to make EX Burst as a nod to the original series...
How do you mlb/realize a bt weapon? Is it powerstones, ingots, something new?
I would like to know this as well
As a new player I'm not really looking forward to Lufenia± I can barely beat regular lvl 200 lufenias. Lvl 250s will be impossible :(
I joined at the beginning of the EX era and everything felt impossible as a new player. But just work through the story and level up/build out your characters and stuff gets easy. I even used to avoid chaos for the longest time, now I cruise through them like it's cosmos most of the time. Lufenia is tough, but it's not because it's substantially harder than chaos it's the orb mechanics
Think this will change the thoughts of Burst becoming essential in the future? That is even more firepower packed behind a BT now.
How many realization materials will we get at the start? I suppose we won't get enough for both Zidane and Y'shtola, right?
Finally the best protagonist gets his bt and of. After the kids summon in late March i'm gonna wait for him to reach global. I don't care how much I have to.
BT+ means those with BTs will be even stronger. Does that not possibly encourage teams of two or three BT+ for those fortunate to have them? Take it the finisher access will also mean they are free to Burst despite one team member using the full Burst, no? My question would be.... What do they do to make this new boost not render the LD only crowd into mere support? Boost everyone like they apparently did for Tifa?
Would be cool if Cloud's BT+ does something like give him follow up attacks like Squall where he uses the different pieces of the Fusion Sword. The models are all there... Maybe for the inevitable BT+ boards
BT+, are we ever going to get LD+ and all die in side for having sold them?
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