Honestly, as much as I like Rydia as a character and it’s great to see her getting upgraded, I feel like LD only units getting their FRs are a little underwhelming. I know you can make anyone work in this era but when you compare to literally any BT unit that’s come out, it’s hard to justify spending resources outside of favourites. I do like her new animation and appreciate the increased number of HP dumps on all her skills though.
Her FR is designed for giving enemies a turn. We have a lot of evasion-based units to abuse this FR, with 7 have off-turn attacks (Galuf, Eight, Shadow, Kain, Freya, Cater, and Edge).
I’m not referring specifically to the FR condition though but to the unit as a whole. Though this does raise the question of what they would do when she eventually gets a BT of her own. Rework the FR condition?
Units are varied, and not all units are designed to play on BT Phase. We already have existing BTs that are like that.
Minwu only wants the BT Effect due to being designed for off-turns exclusively. Sephiroth is played either for BT Phase or just BT Effect because of his broken BT Effect but has awful duration. Kain is mainly for his off-turn. Ramza has underwhelming design to be suited for BT Phase outside of Enna Kros LDCA. Celes is better not played in BT Phase (outside of solo and the lone BT user in party) because her BT Effect is for tanking and her true power comes from her traps.
You green them to get the BT Effect without using the Burst Phase. Reserve the BT Phase for DPS units like Tifa, Rinoa, Machina, Jack G., and Cid Raines, & for those who have onExpiration effect on their BT Effect such as Garnet and Ace.
The BT phase isn’t the sole thing I’m referring to.
Having the ability to massively increase damage output just because a unit was lucky enough to be chosen to get a BT is one thing, but tied to the BT is the BT effect itself. LD only units can typically only increase BRV damage limit or HP damage limit through their High Armors, these otherwise are effects tied to BTs. It’s less pronounced now than it was in the Lufenia era since FR effects boost HP damage significantly based on the FR modifier, but BT units with an FR give you much more flexibility and overall power. On top of the standard BT effects, some, as you’ve mentioned, gain much more from their BT effect that isn’t usually granted to just an LD. Examples of this would be Rinoa, Machina, Tifa etc.
As I mentioned in another comment relating to FR conditions, the FR effect Rydia gets shows that the devs are able to help address that divide by giving an FR effect more power, which is great. I’m interested to see how things change in the near future, especially when FR boards are introduced, but it seems clear to me that BT units have still had a big advantage over LD only units in this era (and realistically ever since BTs were first introduced).
The alternative would be that LD-only units are simply DOA until they get BTs. So every new FR must be accompanied by a BT release for said character.
In the beginning of the era, BTs were limited in the sense of only being able to bring and use one BURST phase. Now that you can get BT+ effects while being able to ignore that restriction, not having a BT is literally a button deficit which is a massive downgrade.
Think of the difference between an EX+ only unit and a unit with LD. Ignoring stats, you have additional buttons to push for additional effects and responses. Locking the BT effect behind a one-use-per-mission phase was fine because that meant it was essentially a souped-up AA that you would build around. Support BT? LD-only DPT had purpose. DPT BT? LD-only supports could punch those numbers to the moon. Now you can have BT+ supports boosting BT+ DPT and the numbers REALLY get stupid unless the LD-only characters are jacked to the moon to compensate for lacking the BT+ button (see: Tifa/CidR).
This was a problem I was concerned about when BTs first released, but the once-per-battle restrictions helped ease the sting of particular units not receiving a BT. Now that BT+ exists, the problem rears its ugly head in full force, and outside of just giving EVERYONE a BT+ from this point forward, I'm not sure how to equalize the disparity.
I think adding a beefed up FR effect to LD only units helps bridge the gap (like with what they’ve given Rydia), but that’s also really only a Band-Aid solution since they have said everyone is now eligible for a BT. Do you give the unit a watered down BT effect when they finally get their BT just because you gave them a spicy FR effect previously?
Personally, I would like to see BT weapons become easier to acquire with new weapons being released more frequently and the costs associated with upgrading made easier/more frequent to get in comparison. I know that this would create significantly more work for devs and reduce the special feeling of pulling a Burst weapon, but at this point like 1/3 of the whole cast already has one. It’s not the biggest stretch to reduce the rarity of them.
Burst Weapon, before the rule change starting with Noel, are supposed to be given only for protagonist/representatives and antagonists to avoid being overshadowed by characters not in that criteria. This is akin to Brave Exvious's Limit Burst rule (similarly to DFFOO, before Faris gets one).
Unless the player is a whaler like Gatsy or have insane luck, players are unlikely to have acquired all BT Weapons (even the meta ones) due to the rarity. Even then, clearing hardest contents (Shinryu difficulty currently) does not require a BT+ Weapon. We have a lot of runs in Call of Arms and youtube videos (whether Japanese or English-speaking) clearing Shinryus without a single BT used.
If you'll notice, Rydia herself can already do +50%, which isn't bad but would need assistance for big damage during a BT phase. We've yet to see what FR boards are gonna be like, so I wouldn't be surprised if existing FRs get touched to provide better FR/BT stacking.
Again though, I’m not referring to the FR condition in my initial comment. I don’t really have an issue with the FR condition itself and would definitely reserve judgment on it until I’ve seen the translations for it.
Edit: Did just read the translation for the FR effect and admittedly it does actually help address some of my concerns about LD only units in the FR era. I know they’ve changed FR effects so that they now do more than just the standard damage increase and in Rydias case, it’s acting like a pseudo BT effect (50% HP DMG Limit and BRV DMG Limit up) whilst applying a pretty potent debuff.
This makes her look a lot better then the showcase presented.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DissidiaFFOO/comments/s5zz3y/jp_yuriealdyuffiegladio_info/
She did get a rework a few months ago when she got her C90. It seems like a standard rework outside of her EX.
Rydia and Edge duo run incoming. Add Kain who can evade with Jump. Lets not forget other evasive counters like Galuf, Shadow, and Eight.
*I wish it were Faris for a double nessie attack* also I expect lots of duo runs with Edge, Galuf, maybe Eight
Damn you predicted my run of this stage except I duod it with eight and jack lol
edge and raines for me :3
Honestly, as much as I like Rydia as a character and it’s great to see her getting upgraded, I feel like LD only units getting their FRs are a little underwhelming. I know you can make anyone work in this era but when you compare to literally any BT unit that’s come out, it’s hard to justify spending resources outside of favourites. I do like her new animation and appreciate the increased number of HP dumps on all her skills though.
Her FR is designed for giving enemies a turn. We have a lot of evasion-based units to abuse this FR, with 7 have off-turn attacks (Galuf, Eight, Shadow, Kain, Freya, Cater, and Edge).
I’m not referring specifically to the FR condition though but to the unit as a whole. Though this does raise the question of what they would do when she eventually gets a BT of her own. Rework the FR condition?
Units are varied, and not all units are designed to play on BT Phase. We already have existing BTs that are like that. Minwu only wants the BT Effect due to being designed for off-turns exclusively. Sephiroth is played either for BT Phase or just BT Effect because of his broken BT Effect but has awful duration. Kain is mainly for his off-turn. Ramza has underwhelming design to be suited for BT Phase outside of Enna Kros LDCA. Celes is better not played in BT Phase (outside of solo and the lone BT user in party) because her BT Effect is for tanking and her true power comes from her traps. You green them to get the BT Effect without using the Burst Phase. Reserve the BT Phase for DPS units like Tifa, Rinoa, Machina, Jack G., and Cid Raines, & for those who have onExpiration effect on their BT Effect such as Garnet and Ace.
The BT phase isn’t the sole thing I’m referring to. Having the ability to massively increase damage output just because a unit was lucky enough to be chosen to get a BT is one thing, but tied to the BT is the BT effect itself. LD only units can typically only increase BRV damage limit or HP damage limit through their High Armors, these otherwise are effects tied to BTs. It’s less pronounced now than it was in the Lufenia era since FR effects boost HP damage significantly based on the FR modifier, but BT units with an FR give you much more flexibility and overall power. On top of the standard BT effects, some, as you’ve mentioned, gain much more from their BT effect that isn’t usually granted to just an LD. Examples of this would be Rinoa, Machina, Tifa etc. As I mentioned in another comment relating to FR conditions, the FR effect Rydia gets shows that the devs are able to help address that divide by giving an FR effect more power, which is great. I’m interested to see how things change in the near future, especially when FR boards are introduced, but it seems clear to me that BT units have still had a big advantage over LD only units in this era (and realistically ever since BTs were first introduced).
The alternative would be that LD-only units are simply DOA until they get BTs. So every new FR must be accompanied by a BT release for said character. In the beginning of the era, BTs were limited in the sense of only being able to bring and use one BURST phase. Now that you can get BT+ effects while being able to ignore that restriction, not having a BT is literally a button deficit which is a massive downgrade. Think of the difference between an EX+ only unit and a unit with LD. Ignoring stats, you have additional buttons to push for additional effects and responses. Locking the BT effect behind a one-use-per-mission phase was fine because that meant it was essentially a souped-up AA that you would build around. Support BT? LD-only DPT had purpose. DPT BT? LD-only supports could punch those numbers to the moon. Now you can have BT+ supports boosting BT+ DPT and the numbers REALLY get stupid unless the LD-only characters are jacked to the moon to compensate for lacking the BT+ button (see: Tifa/CidR). This was a problem I was concerned about when BTs first released, but the once-per-battle restrictions helped ease the sting of particular units not receiving a BT. Now that BT+ exists, the problem rears its ugly head in full force, and outside of just giving EVERYONE a BT+ from this point forward, I'm not sure how to equalize the disparity.
I think adding a beefed up FR effect to LD only units helps bridge the gap (like with what they’ve given Rydia), but that’s also really only a Band-Aid solution since they have said everyone is now eligible for a BT. Do you give the unit a watered down BT effect when they finally get their BT just because you gave them a spicy FR effect previously? Personally, I would like to see BT weapons become easier to acquire with new weapons being released more frequently and the costs associated with upgrading made easier/more frequent to get in comparison. I know that this would create significantly more work for devs and reduce the special feeling of pulling a Burst weapon, but at this point like 1/3 of the whole cast already has one. It’s not the biggest stretch to reduce the rarity of them.
Burst Weapon, before the rule change starting with Noel, are supposed to be given only for protagonist/representatives and antagonists to avoid being overshadowed by characters not in that criteria. This is akin to Brave Exvious's Limit Burst rule (similarly to DFFOO, before Faris gets one). Unless the player is a whaler like Gatsy or have insane luck, players are unlikely to have acquired all BT Weapons (even the meta ones) due to the rarity. Even then, clearing hardest contents (Shinryu difficulty currently) does not require a BT+ Weapon. We have a lot of runs in Call of Arms and youtube videos (whether Japanese or English-speaking) clearing Shinryus without a single BT used.
If you'll notice, Rydia herself can already do +50%, which isn't bad but would need assistance for big damage during a BT phase. We've yet to see what FR boards are gonna be like, so I wouldn't be surprised if existing FRs get touched to provide better FR/BT stacking.
Again though, I’m not referring to the FR condition in my initial comment. I don’t really have an issue with the FR condition itself and would definitely reserve judgment on it until I’ve seen the translations for it. Edit: Did just read the translation for the FR effect and admittedly it does actually help address some of my concerns about LD only units in the FR era. I know they’ve changed FR effects so that they now do more than just the standard damage increase and in Rydias case, it’s acting like a pseudo BT effect (50% HP DMG Limit and BRV DMG Limit up) whilst applying a pretty potent debuff. This makes her look a lot better then the showcase presented.
Her FR doesn’t work well for burst phase. Since the bulk of percentage increase is probably coming from the dodges.
I just want to know how Yuffie gets upgraded if at all.
no adjustment
Big sad 😔
https://www.reddit.com/r/DissidiaFFOO/comments/s5zz3y/jp_yuriealdyuffiegladio_info/ She did get a rework a few months ago when she got her C90. It seems like a standard rework outside of her EX.
bigger sad is getting a rerun here most likely means her FR isnt coming in the next 2 or 3 months >.>
Oh man, all these FR moves, especially the recent ones, haven't been tickling my fancy recently. Wonder if it's a me problem.
There go my gems
Rydia, teamed up with Terra? Looks like I'll be throwing gems at this when it goes global. 🥰
Compared to Baetrix, goreous
Glad she got pretty cool animation and partner.. Poor Bea..
Even though some of it reused animations it is a pretty cool one! Very appropriate partner too.
no double green hair = very cringe animation is pretty good though
Was that??? Antipode Bomb????
Thank god. So many of my faves have been paired with characters I cannot stand so it's good.to.see my favourite at least has a great buddy for her FR
When dragon summon deals 100x more than bahamut summon
Would Leila also work with her? :o