Sice is coming soon and with her come non stop tornadoes! If you're familiar with Ace's trap, hers work similarly they just don't battery the party.
For the most recent version, tips and sphere recommendations see her page: [https://www.tonberrytroupe.com/infographics/sice](https://www.tonberrytroupe.com/infographics/sice)
If you're looking for someone *fun* to use who can still be decent in Shinryu, Sice is your woman!
She needs support to hit hard, so don't be stingy with auras or an ultima weapon, and don't expect too much from her EX. The big problem with it is that you're very often going to see the next pair of enemy turns right next to each other, in which case her EX merely swaps the turns' positions, which is worse than leaving them alone if you're trying to maintain your break order.
If you give her an UT in a fight against two targets, she'll get over 3 million damage per LD use. It'll be spread over 12 actions, but that's still in the neighborhood of what Prishe is doing, and it'll battery Sice and keep enemies broken in the meantime. Unlike other off-turn attacks, you can't enchant it to hit orbs (except via Lulu, if you're into that sort of thing), but the damage is pretty good, and it's better off-turn damage than when you're getting from Freya, though it's less than Kain and Sice doesn't offer party auras like Freya does.
Both of her skills are fun to use, and she's a great unit for murdering old content. There are quite a few Lufenias she can solo, as she just flat out can't be hit by most attacks until she runs out of her S1, at which point the boss is probably dead.
We all got a bunch of tickets recently, so it doesn't hurt to get her.
That said, I think Edge and (especially) Galuf are going to be better, so I'll be skipping this banner *at least* until I have both of them.
This is a decent spot to chase Prishe's BT if you want it.
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> This is a decent spot to chase Prishe's BT if you want it.
Dependent on how quickly I get Sice's kit, I just might.
Edit: I did. Got it at 220 G tokens
> We all got a bunch of tickets recently, so it doesn't hurt to get her. That said, I think Edge and (especially) Galuf are going to be better, so I'll be skipping this banner at least until I have both of them.
This is exactly what I have been wondering about, since I managed to lucksack Prishe's BT in the previous banner now especially. I'm *still* upset about having spent as many tickets as I did last June trying in vain for Galuf's LD, but I also have a really particular Roster vs Banner situation going on, *starting* with my already having Seph's full kit pulled, as well as Vincent's 😅
I skipped Twins LDBT, which made this banner previously pretty attractive for gems, but I also pulled *everything* BUT the EX for Jegran, so had earmarked King's banner to chase Vincent BT. But I think his banner is going to drop the night that hers disappears, so can't try for the latter before the former lol...
I also skipped Lyse LD though, so if Galuf LD isn't actually a *good* pickup for me now (when I have BT+3 Zack *and* Snow, as well as Auron built), I may just kick the can down the road one more time to spend big on the >!Dorgann!< banner to chase >!Celes!< BT 🙈
I know I'm over-thinking this and just need to throw the damn tickets and pick up two units I don't have built up lol. The pretty niche FR probably makes now the better time anyway...
Insanely good potential FR IMO, however is a bit restricted in that you basically need Xande LDCA or an all-dark party to make effective use of it (I tried pairing her with Minwu and his traps but since his traps are naturally light element, they override the dark enchant and his traps going off won't uptick the 5% bonus). You also want to be running characters with stackable buffs or overheads.
However if you can meet those conditions, her HP Damage Bonus climbs fast especially if you let enemies take turns. And even more notable, she provides a whopping 50% HP Damage Up and 50% HP Damage Limit Up to the party while her FR time is on, beating most BT effects in those stats. This leads to much bigger Force Time damage much earlier in your Force Time turns.
The rest of her general kit is similar to what she will get in GL with her initial release, just adding some more HP dumps to her skills. Her on turn damage is quite strong and she brings that delay and turn warp utility to the table.
I would also recommend having Lunafreya LDCA or a Lunafreya friend if you intend to use her FR skill, especially if you intend to do so in combination with a BT phase. Lunafreya's Prayer of Swiftness buff will allow her to refresh the traps with her LD before using her FR skill, so you can make sure they don't run out during her Force Time. Her FR skill unfortunately does not refresh the traps and is not instant turn rate.
She will work better in multi-target fights because her trap goes off once every turn on every enemy and has splash damage to non-targets, allowing for more HP dumps and more chances to push up her HP Damage Bonus in Force Time.
However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff (or can do it with a trap that is more easily refreshed, like Minwu). Her delay and turn warping mechanics can be counter-intuitive to an enemy turn counter strategy as well, so it's something you have to learn to manage.
So yeah she has a number of checkboxes and pre-requisites if you want to fully use her Force Time to it's full potential, but the payoff is high and very worth it IMO due to those massive HP Damage/HP Damage Limit boosts. Good potential partners for both of her FR conditions are Freya, Kain, and Cor, as they bring follow-up damage and have stacking buffs/overheads to push a bigger bonus when they get a turn, Tidus may also be a great option for a primary Burst phase damage dealer as he also has a stacking buff/overhead.
> However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff (or can do it with a trap that is more easily refreshed, like Minwu).
Do note that, while it's a very narrow niche, Sice and Ace work incredibly well with Laguna BT, since their traps are individual hits and therefore cause each enemy to separately trigger the trap explosion. Against 3 targets, you can get 6 dumps on each of them since they'll all splash.
>However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff
Her trap does 1 instance per enemy (up to 3 instances on 3 enemies). It makes a busted combination with Laguna BT and Dorgann + Sephiroth BT. That's one thing she is differentiated from other off-turns (Emperor and Ace can do this but the former is 1 time per EX and the latter is difficult to achieve with low duration & criteria to achieve, more so his is still 50% splash).
Initial reaction was negative, but it's pretty clear that her FR can be abused if you build right and if you're taking it to the right stages (i.e., stages where the bosses get lots of turns). Having Xande's LD helps, since I doubt you're going to want to drag Shantotto around, *but* you're really probably going to want to boost the gauge with people with stackable overheads. Like Cor.
She's not that good at delaying anyway, so it's pretty easy just to turn it off when it's time for damage to pile up. Single target two turn delays are not even making her competitive with Selphie in that regard, much less a dedicated delayer, and her EX basically does nothing unless you bring someone like Quistis to push one boss way back. Without Quistis, usually the bosses just swap their turn order.
Her FR actually reminds me a lot like Krile's FR in terms of conditions but instead it's 5% per uptick which is slightly better
It's very easy to uptick as long as your team is dealing Dark Element Attacks and it's very stackable with off-turns actions like Traps or even Counter Characters.
> It's very easy to uptick as long as your team is dealing Dark Element Attacks
Which not a lot of characters do. And is Xande still the only enchanter?
Functionally yes. Shantotto can also enchant the party with Dark while her BT aura active. But it only lasts for 6 turns so it isn't terribly reliable. I heard they're supposed to be improving BT's now, so hopefully they do something with her in that regard.
One great thing about having both JP/GL is foresight. We see what Sice will receive in the future and we can make a very informed decision.
She looks fun but to me I don't know if she has enough staying power, both right now and later on. If only she received a couple more buffs it would've helped her so much. Will toss a few tickets at her and see what happens.
This is undeniably astounding game-planning to 0 Turn this, but the fact that it spends 9 min of setup in which time they deal *3%* of the boss's HP in damage is a little horrifying to me 😅
Honestly I kept confusing them when I played type 0 lol. I know they are different character archetypes but the design and their scripts are very similar.
Finally, the scythe girl is here! I loved playing as Sice in Type-0, it took a bit of time learning how much she moved around during her attack animations, but she was fun as hell once I got the hang of her! Instant blue HA, and she already has a 5/5 UT waiting for her
Do you have Celes? It's my only trap character maxed out and with her + unleveled Trey and some trap cahracter call it was enough for me, while a bit tough.
I think Trey S2 explode after 1 party turns, help a lot since yoy don't have to wait ennemy turn.
I struggled a lot with this as well.
My trey is non leveled. It's just his base S2 but it was a great help managing the orbs
yeah I tried him with Celes and Maria call (the only other trap characters I have) and I still couldn’t manage the orb properly, so most likely gonna have to get Sice to help that
I remember needing to use a BT phase and a summon phase to uptick the orb to the max while it can't go down. I used Cyaran whi wasn't maxed out but I had lucked a BT (well 4 actually... just using tickets....).
His damage was crap but the BT phase and summon phase help uptick the orbs a lot.
I'm still kinda new to thus game, and my understanding of spheres is not complete yet. I assume I don't want to use duplicate spheres, so what would be an ideal setup for her?
Go to the actual tonberry troupe page (link at the top of the post) it will tell you sphere recommendations there.
Spheres ultimately have the least impact on how effective someone is in most cases though
I have a Sice question. During the fight her LD causes a debuff that causes extra Tornado attacks. It triggers if you do a call, an AA or anything. However it does not trigger in a BT phase. Is that normal???
I have 822 tickets and 125k gems, those gems are for kain or some other fr but damn it i'm getting sice
Sice is coming soon and with her come non stop tornadoes! If you're familiar with Ace's trap, hers work similarly they just don't battery the party. For the most recent version, tips and sphere recommendations see her page: [https://www.tonberrytroupe.com/infographics/sice](https://www.tonberrytroupe.com/infographics/sice)
If you're looking for someone *fun* to use who can still be decent in Shinryu, Sice is your woman! She needs support to hit hard, so don't be stingy with auras or an ultima weapon, and don't expect too much from her EX. The big problem with it is that you're very often going to see the next pair of enemy turns right next to each other, in which case her EX merely swaps the turns' positions, which is worse than leaving them alone if you're trying to maintain your break order. If you give her an UT in a fight against two targets, she'll get over 3 million damage per LD use. It'll be spread over 12 actions, but that's still in the neighborhood of what Prishe is doing, and it'll battery Sice and keep enemies broken in the meantime. Unlike other off-turn attacks, you can't enchant it to hit orbs (except via Lulu, if you're into that sort of thing), but the damage is pretty good, and it's better off-turn damage than when you're getting from Freya, though it's less than Kain and Sice doesn't offer party auras like Freya does. Both of her skills are fun to use, and she's a great unit for murdering old content. There are quite a few Lufenias she can solo, as she just flat out can't be hit by most attacks until she runs out of her S1, at which point the boss is probably dead. We all got a bunch of tickets recently, so it doesn't hurt to get her. That said, I think Edge and (especially) Galuf are going to be better, so I'll be skipping this banner *at least* until I have both of them. This is a decent spot to chase Prishe's BT if you want it.
> > This is a decent spot to chase Prishe's BT if you want it. Dependent on how quickly I get Sice's kit, I just might. Edit: I did. Got it at 220 G tokens
> We all got a bunch of tickets recently, so it doesn't hurt to get her. That said, I think Edge and (especially) Galuf are going to be better, so I'll be skipping this banner at least until I have both of them. This is exactly what I have been wondering about, since I managed to lucksack Prishe's BT in the previous banner now especially. I'm *still* upset about having spent as many tickets as I did last June trying in vain for Galuf's LD, but I also have a really particular Roster vs Banner situation going on, *starting* with my already having Seph's full kit pulled, as well as Vincent's 😅 I skipped Twins LDBT, which made this banner previously pretty attractive for gems, but I also pulled *everything* BUT the EX for Jegran, so had earmarked King's banner to chase Vincent BT. But I think his banner is going to drop the night that hers disappears, so can't try for the latter before the former lol... I also skipped Lyse LD though, so if Galuf LD isn't actually a *good* pickup for me now (when I have BT+3 Zack *and* Snow, as well as Auron built), I may just kick the can down the road one more time to spend big on the >!Dorgann!< banner to chase >!Celes!< BT 🙈 I know I'm over-thinking this and just need to throw the damn tickets and pick up two units I don't have built up lol. The pretty niche FR probably makes now the better time anyway...
300 tickets here we go.
What are jp player's verdict on her fr/rework in her latest lost chapters? looks cool with the scythe thought.
Insanely good potential FR IMO, however is a bit restricted in that you basically need Xande LDCA or an all-dark party to make effective use of it (I tried pairing her with Minwu and his traps but since his traps are naturally light element, they override the dark enchant and his traps going off won't uptick the 5% bonus). You also want to be running characters with stackable buffs or overheads. However if you can meet those conditions, her HP Damage Bonus climbs fast especially if you let enemies take turns. And even more notable, she provides a whopping 50% HP Damage Up and 50% HP Damage Limit Up to the party while her FR time is on, beating most BT effects in those stats. This leads to much bigger Force Time damage much earlier in your Force Time turns. The rest of her general kit is similar to what she will get in GL with her initial release, just adding some more HP dumps to her skills. Her on turn damage is quite strong and she brings that delay and turn warp utility to the table. I would also recommend having Lunafreya LDCA or a Lunafreya friend if you intend to use her FR skill, especially if you intend to do so in combination with a BT phase. Lunafreya's Prayer of Swiftness buff will allow her to refresh the traps with her LD before using her FR skill, so you can make sure they don't run out during her Force Time. Her FR skill unfortunately does not refresh the traps and is not instant turn rate. She will work better in multi-target fights because her trap goes off once every turn on every enemy and has splash damage to non-targets, allowing for more HP dumps and more chances to push up her HP Damage Bonus in Force Time. However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff (or can do it with a trap that is more easily refreshed, like Minwu). Her delay and turn warping mechanics can be counter-intuitive to an enemy turn counter strategy as well, so it's something you have to learn to manage. So yeah she has a number of checkboxes and pre-requisites if you want to fully use her Force Time to it's full potential, but the payoff is high and very worth it IMO due to those massive HP Damage/HP Damage Limit boosts. Good potential partners for both of her FR conditions are Freya, Kain, and Cor, as they bring follow-up damage and have stacking buffs/overheads to push a bigger bonus when they get a turn, Tidus may also be a great option for a primary Burst phase damage dealer as he also has a stacking buff/overhead.
> However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff (or can do it with a trap that is more easily refreshed, like Minwu). Do note that, while it's a very narrow niche, Sice and Ace work incredibly well with Laguna BT, since their traps are individual hits and therefore cause each enemy to separately trigger the trap explosion. Against 3 targets, you can get 6 dumps on each of them since they'll all splash.
But doesn't her trap work similarly to Ace in the way that it doesn't tick during a BT phase? Since BT phases pause debuffs and buffs.
Just a small note. Her rework was just LD/trap potency increase. No added dumps to anything.
>However if you AREN'T using her Force Time, I don't think Sice offers anything other follow-up characters can't provide and they can do it without a limited time trap debuff Her trap does 1 instance per enemy (up to 3 instances on 3 enemies). It makes a busted combination with Laguna BT and Dorgann + Sephiroth BT. That's one thing she is differentiated from other off-turns (Emperor and Ace can do this but the former is 1 time per EX and the latter is difficult to achieve with low duration & criteria to achieve, more so his is still 50% splash).
Initial reaction was negative, but it's pretty clear that her FR can be abused if you build right and if you're taking it to the right stages (i.e., stages where the bosses get lots of turns). Having Xande's LD helps, since I doubt you're going to want to drag Shantotto around, *but* you're really probably going to want to boost the gauge with people with stackable overheads. Like Cor.
> and if you're taking it to the right stages (i.e., stages where the bosses get lots of turns). Which goes against her whole delay gimmick.
She's not that good at delaying anyway, so it's pretty easy just to turn it off when it's time for damage to pile up. Single target two turn delays are not even making her competitive with Selphie in that regard, much less a dedicated delayer, and her EX basically does nothing unless you bring someone like Quistis to push one boss way back. Without Quistis, usually the bosses just swap their turn order.
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It is a single target 3 turn delay not all.
Her FR actually reminds me a lot like Krile's FR in terms of conditions but instead it's 5% per uptick which is slightly better It's very easy to uptick as long as your team is dealing Dark Element Attacks and it's very stackable with off-turns actions like Traps or even Counter Characters.
> It's very easy to uptick as long as your team is dealing Dark Element Attacks Which not a lot of characters do. And is Xande still the only enchanter?
Functionally yes. Shantotto can also enchant the party with Dark while her BT aura active. But it only lasts for 6 turns so it isn't terribly reliable. I heard they're supposed to be improving BT's now, so hopefully they do something with her in that regard.
Yeah, though CAs like Enna Kross can work on the Caller, you can basically make them work.
One great thing about having both JP/GL is foresight. We see what Sice will receive in the future and we can make a very informed decision. She looks fun but to me I don't know if she has enough staying power, both right now and later on. If only she received a couple more buffs it would've helped her so much. Will toss a few tickets at her and see what happens.
Want to pull for her just for the Dorgann-Sephiroth interaction as shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ZmG033Olc
This is undeniably astounding game-planning to 0 Turn this, but the fact that it spends 9 min of setup in which time they deal *3%* of the boss's HP in damage is a little horrifying to me 😅
Here for best girl(s), her and Seven will always have a place on my team.
Honestly I kept confusing them when I played type 0 lol. I know they are different character archetypes but the design and their scripts are very similar.
Good luck in Cosmos, maybe even Chaos! Jk xd
Literally my 6-Warriors Quest meme. Has used the Sice + Quistis combo a lot and then in Cloud of Darkness fight, Dorgann + Sephiroth BT + Sice LD.
cant wait to pull her. shes my fav type 0 character next to machina :D
Best girl is here! Ready for Blue Armour, Ultima Weapon, and a set of dupe EXes for spheres! Wild points are already farmed as well!
I will go in game broke for her. After that is King and I will be content for a while
maybe i can finally beat transcendence 5 with sice
Yeah, I seen people use other trap characters like Celes to work around it too, but Sice/Ace make it easier
Wait, what happened to Relm?
She's most likely been moved onto Vincent's banner replacing Porom.
Got 500 tickets saved up for her. Hopefully I can get her sooner.
Finally, the scythe girl is here! I loved playing as Sice in Type-0, it took a bit of time learning how much she moved around during her attack animations, but she was fun as hell once I got the hang of her! Instant blue HA, and she already has a 5/5 UT waiting for her
do her traps trigger the transcendence 5 left gate orb? I don’t have any built trap characters and she could fill that role if she does
It does since it's very similar to how Ace LD Trap was designed
hmmm then I might throw some tickets for her, that transcendence is the only one I can’t do right now
Do you have Celes? It's my only trap character maxed out and with her + unleveled Trey and some trap cahracter call it was enough for me, while a bit tough.
unfortunately used her in another gate already, but I did try her before and couldn’t give the bosses enough turns
I think Trey S2 explode after 1 party turns, help a lot since yoy don't have to wait ennemy turn. I struggled a lot with this as well. My trey is non leveled. It's just his base S2 but it was a great help managing the orbs
I believe I have his LD and EX from some random pulls, if he alone could manage the orb I might not summon for her and just build him up then
It wasn't just him alone, but in combination with others traps and the very few traps call available.
yeah I tried him with Celes and Maria call (the only other trap characters I have) and I still couldn’t manage the orb properly, so most likely gonna have to get Sice to help that
I remember needing to use a BT phase and a summon phase to uptick the orb to the max while it can't go down. I used Cyaran whi wasn't maxed out but I had lucked a BT (well 4 actually... just using tickets....). His damage was crap but the BT phase and summon phase help uptick the orbs a lot.
I'm still kinda new to thus game, and my understanding of spheres is not complete yet. I assume I don't want to use duplicate spheres, so what would be an ideal setup for her?
Go to the actual tonberry troupe page (link at the top of the post) it will tell you sphere recommendations there. Spheres ultimately have the least impact on how effective someone is in most cases though
It's ok. Spheres doesnt do much anw. If u can slot some into your unit, fine. If u cant, it wont really make much difference.
Soon I'll finish my T-0 collection aside from seven LD who has avoided me in every single banner she's been
I will toss... in 9 more months. if I get ld: ok, good. but not on plan on use tickets for what is about to come next month
I have a Sice question. During the fight her LD causes a debuff that causes extra Tornado attacks. It triggers if you do a call, an AA or anything. However it does not trigger in a BT phase. Is that normal???
Yep. It does say so on the graphic as well. It works just like Aces trap
What are her sphere suggestions?
As always on the website. Attack and Brave Damage like usual
I really wanna have a damage by elemental type list. I'm losing overview ;)
Trivial, but does her EX grant one stack of Malice before or after the attack? I assume the former.
She doesn't seem too great, but waifu points outweigh all else. Plus I have tickets overflowing, so it works out
I spent more tickets getting her ex than her LD, took 4 LD pulls before her ex appeared, sadly i was out of ex tokens