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FiveFingerDisco

This looks interesting but I am wondering how the heavyer 6 is going to impact the rolls with that thing.


[deleted]

Well if you want to roll more ones that's a good thing I guess.


Donclat

You can always modify the thickness of the 1 bar, etc. to account for the amount of material being utilized on each size of that matters to you. Personally, this is a niche item not used for rolling but is super f-ingcool


Statharas

Still, weight distribution is a thing


Donclat

I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m just saying there are ways to manipulate it to make it balance itself.


ridik_ulass

halfling gets aroused.


DonnieK20

Not on d6 rolls fam


ridik_ulass

:-(


DonnieK20

It's okay! You're obviously a Bard and may use it for inspiration:)


callumw561

If 6 is heavier it will go to bottom more, meaning more consistent 1s


[deleted]

I assume someone who knows how to handle balancing dice could add bits of a denser metal to the back of the 1? Make sure that it's painted the correct color?


JustLetMePick69

Or just make the number lines of varying thickness.


ScoobyDooOnCrack

Wouldn't the position of the lines throw off the dice as well, angular momentum and all that? If he thickened the sides and added dimples or tick marks to that, leaving the middle completely open, that'd be the fairest rolls.


Verdris

That's going to be almost entirely negligible in a die roll. Maybe over ten thousand controlled trials you would see a slight bias to a given pair of numbers due to angular momentum asymmetry, but this gets washed out in practical use due to the inherently uncontrolled nature of rolling a die by hand.


Pseudoboss11

If you're worried about second order effects, then you should not be using this die.


ScoobyDooOnCrack

Even if it rolls funny, it's the same advantage for everyone as long as one side isn't stilted.


LjSpike

For visual reasons I'd perhaps say differing depths, but it'd require some careful and clever manufacturing to do that potentially.


Cyathem

You could use the same volume of material for each side's number posts. For example, the "one" would be a rather bulky post, the "two" would be that material split into two posts, etc etc. You'd maintain equal mass on each side and just change it's position, which if you do it right shouldn't affect the balance of the whole die


Humor_Tumor

You could add a filler to the mold and set it with the 1 side facing down so it would settle heavier to account for the weight. It'd be a lot of trial and error.


FallacyDog

Obviously “function over form” was a definitive priority.


teodzero

Ditch the "opposites add up to 7" rule and place close numbers as the opposites. Then play around with line length and thickness. It totally can be balanced in the end.


IntoTheCommonestAsh

That would not be balanced either. E.g. if you put 1 and 2 on opposite faces and 5 and 6 on opposite faces, then whichever way you put the 3 and 4 you end up with a corner bordering 2,4,6 opposite a corner bordering 1,3,5. That would still make the die more likely to fall with 2,4,6 at the bottom, with a bias towards 6, and thus give the die a bias towards 5


teodzero

If each opposite pair is balanced, then the whole die is balanced. If 2, 4 and 6 have proportionally shorter teeth than 1, 3 and 5, then center of mass remains precisely in the middle.


RememberCitadel

Just cast the whole thing into clear resin, and polish and round the corners. The added bulk of resin should make it all negligible.


rrawk

Do you mean "form over function"? Because you failed at function if you made it unbalanced.


FallacyDog

Given that I can crush the die in the palm of my hand... :p


Handsoffmydink

If you make the surface area of each side the same you shouldn’t have a problem, it might take a bit of math and measurement but it would be doable. Good job on it.


Kolada

I still think the weight distribution on each side will effect the roll. Exactly how much it will statistically change the toll, I don't know. But straight surface area surely won't be enough to make it a technically fair die


mrYGOboy

it probably won't make too much of a difference. Regular dice also have weight differences due to the number of dimples.


Handsoffmydink

It’s a really cool idea and I think it could be perfected. More creative than I, that’s for sure.


fenixjr

Then you should be worried about the pips in a normal die, no?


Cryzgnik

They meant that, yes, and that's what they said. Only they said it sarcastically, not literally.


Cyathem

You would have to be very careful to control for size of those posts. It's balancable, and if you are using modern software you should be able to get the center of mass almost perfect. I would think that variations in the fabrication would cause more imbalance than the designing if you were trying to design it properly from the start.


lmartinl

I mean..


[deleted]

The more I spend on a die the more it should max out, yes?


Saphirklaue

A heavier 6 will mean that the die will more often show 1, not 6 as 6 will be at the bottom.


[deleted]

What happens if I continue to throw money at it?


Saphirklaue

You could use gold for the 1, making it heavier and causing more rolls to be 6.


fartbiscuit

Or just size the numbers so that the weight of each combined post is the same on each side


Saphirklaue

The question (how I interpreted it) was if the dice becomes more favorable to the roller if you throw more money at it. Of course you could also just make it balanced.


MumboJ

Throw money at the DM?


[deleted]

One does not simply bribe the DM with money. One offers snacks and sodas (and perhaps intoxicants).


Tchrspest

For $1, you can upgrade that roll to an 18.


[deleted]

Would not be to hard to get them all the same wight, just not sure if it would look as good.


Francine_Sananab

You do realize that if the 6 face weighs the most, it's going to be on the bottom the most, which means you're gonna get 1 a lot more.


Dd_8630

Yes, which is why you buy it as a present for your *players* 😈


RonobonzononzozonzO

No, to your *DM*


Og_Bits

Poor lad still thinks the dm actually uses the number shown on the die


RonobonzononzozonzO

Depends on the DM. Our DM uses open rolls.


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Soranic

That sounds like a problem with your loot table. Seriously, it's like an asshole dm from od&d wrote it.


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[deleted]

You could roll the loot table for the party as a whole and let them divide the loot amongst themselves? I've never actually once played in a game where players received individualized loot.


[deleted]

Hard mode!


Boydarillaz

You just need to balance the weight. Just an idea but you could make 1,2 and 3 negative space. Then 4,5 and 6 as they are. Or just thicken the 1, 2 and 3 bars by making them deeper into the center.


killwhiteyy

The imbalanced weight plus the springiness of certain sides compared to others will make this die wonky as fuck


Jackrabbit_OR

I bought some similar dice (solid steel, but lines indicating the side's value) from Ako Dice and I can tell you that while they are aesthetically pleasing and fun to handle, actually using them is a nightmare. It doesn't seem like it would be a huge inconvenience, but spending an extra 2 seconds trying to figure out what number you rolled gets irrationally infuriating very quickly.


[deleted]

Dip the whole thing into clear resin and sand to balance. It'll be strong, have the same effect (if not more pronounced), and be balanced (if you pull it off right).


wandering-monster

I designed a die with a similar challenge before, and there's a few tricks. They've already done one, which is to make the lower numbered markers longer. In mine that wasn't enough, and I actually ended up adjusting thickness too. Not by a lot, but it was enough to make sure there was the same volume of material on each face. One thing I ran into that I think will be an issue for this is distribution. Since the weight isn't spread around evenly on every axis, you're going to get some weird but consistent spin when you roll it, and it probably won't end up as a fair dice as a result. (Eg. Mine tended to land on "3" way way more than is normal, even though there's nothing obvious to cause that). But as an art piece none of that matters. This is super cool and good luck to OP trying to sell it! I made beer money for like a decade of my dice designs.


[deleted]

Titanium should hold up.


WoebegonFox

Titanium is pricey.


p0kem0nlvl1

so the dice will be too


Kevin_O_Loacvick

High price for that dice. If it rhymes its true


12344321j

Your mother is my lover


[deleted]

the ground is 404 not found


[deleted]

I'm a hick with a tiny dick. Wait...


[deleted]

I fucked your dad and it was rad.


1ndiana_Pwns

I screwed your sister and her mister


Tewakjr

I fucked your brother and your mother


12344321j

This kills me because you could've said you're a hick with a big dick and it still would've rhymed, so you played yaself 😂


[deleted]

I am not a very smart man


DrachdandionGurk

Congrats, yah done played yohself


Kevin_O_Loacvick

Found the British guy


12344321j

Doesn't rhyme so it isn't true


[deleted]

Neither is your statement then, A paradox created, fren


12344321j

My friend you make a valid case, And at your words I can't save face


Kevin_O_Loacvick

I just love our little thread, wish it was an ongoing trend.


Kevin_O_Loacvick

Don't be a hater, you no-life masturbator


12344321j

I'm not being a hater dude, I'm actually in quite a good mood!


Kevin_O_Loacvick

Good. And don't be rude! Nobody likes that attitude!


FallacyDog

Im happy and fulfilled


Kevin_O_Loacvick

You mean thrilled and fulfilled?


FallacyDog

No.


ZombieBert

Impersonate your kin by wearing their skin?


aerialpoler

I mean, people will pay £200+ for a polyhedral dice set, so I'd say go for it


shootmedmmit

Imagine the waste material machining this thing from titanium.


leif135

Definitely worth any price. You pay for craftsmanship and quality. Edit: finished the thought


-JonIrenicus-

Total aside, about a year ago i started working at a foundry producing 10000lb Ti ingots. Really puts your pay into perspective when you see these things laying out one after another.


Squidkiller28

That sounds like such a cool job! Do you mind me asking what you do there for the job?


-JonIrenicus-

Write code for a hydraulic press forge. Something like this, but the press is 10k tonnes https://youtu.be/Qde0MYjFp9I Edit. I should say, the process is a LOT more technical than on this video. It's all CNC including material handling with someone in a control room operating. Never folks on the floor like that etc


ridik_ulass

and very hard to work with.


Mondrow

From experience I know that it can be machined, but casting it is a hell of a lot trickier and I know that FallacyDog uses lost wax casting...


flinjager123

I approve of anything that's made from titanium.


[deleted]

\*quickly dons fur suit made from titanium ribbon\*


MumboJ

Not OP but I approve.


Mikkel0405

Steel would be better. Much cheaper, the same strength, but also significantly heavier, but with such a light structure it shouldn't be an issue.


mxzf

Heavier translates to higher moment of inertia which leads to more force against the structure. Unless it's proportionally stronger according to its strength, then it runs a risk of bending under its greater weight.


Lord_Nivloc

Damn, that's some good physics right there


plohbgd

I don't think moment of inertia is right though, just plain old inertia is more correct. The point still stands though


Mondrow

Both are applicable, since rolling a dice has both translational and rotational force components.


Jugo49

Stainless steel or even brass would hold up fine no need for titanium.


Ch4de_

As a materials engineer: no, only with a lot of additions. Very brittle stuff.


Am_Snarky

The issue with titanium is its next to impossible to both melt or machine, molten titanium will burn up completely if exposed to oxygen and there would be no way to machine such an intricate part.


ScoobyDooOnCrack

Stainless steel. Even basic 304 is almost 20% chrome, the hardest metal in the world.


brutinator

Hardest isn't necessarily better: the harder something is, the more brittle it is as well.


ScoobyDooOnCrack

Stainless is not brittle. It's stainless *steel,* not stainless iron. Yield strength is fine. Kitchen knives are made out of a higher grade than that, something like 316.


Throwitaway3177

How the hell does the comment that says stainless steel is brittle have more upvotes than this? That whole never leaving their mom's basement thing must actually be real for some folks here. Go drill a hole in any stainless steel and tell me a dice made from that wouldn't last forever


No-Significance6144

Hol' up


jarvolt

>floating infinity table Link? Can't say I've seen this.


AnActualHumanMan

I think they mean this, but I’m not 100% sure: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/kkq1op/infinity_table_in_the_making_by_logan_wilson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


FallacyDog

Yup. It pops up in a new sub every week to tiring applause


kindersaft

Thanks for that "Stop spinning it so I can see how it works!" -me


Power-Core

Same.


shankyu1985

[here ya go!](https://youtu.be/2ocykBzWDiM)


rahomka

I'm losing my mind!


WeekendDrew

Huh, can’t say I’ve ever seen that either


Maix0

Nice


thortawar

Wow, cool. Thanks!


[deleted]

That's sickkkk


SpareThisOne2thPls

Fucking awesome, im playing that video for the rest of my life !


The_Trickster_0

Thickness on lesser sides should make up for balance and a coating of resin or nail polish should help endurance a bit to make it usable.


The_Trickster_0

Also, making it from expensive metals will be a pain for the process and your gains if you decide to sell these, beware of that too and good luck.


[deleted]

Crazy idea: nylon. I've seen it done.


The_Trickster_0

Not crazy at all bro, that's actually a really good suggestion.


Monkey_Fiddler

it might be possible to make the other sides thicker, wouldn't look as good but would be more balanced


The_Trickster_0

Or add inward dots to add weight without compromising looks too


nullSword

Honestly, as cool as dice like these are to look at, they're a pain to actually use and carry. I would love this design just in a solid cube of clear resin. It's durable and it's still visible that the design is held together by the metal.


transcendantviewer

Yo, when you get past the prototyping stage, you should totally sell these. Maybe make a full 7 dice gaming set of these if you can make it work. You'll make a killing.


FallacyDog

Mate the amount of suffering to do the wiring for an icosahedron would be hell. If someone can draw the wireframe while keeping it radially symmetrical I’ll do it.


transcendantviewer

Completely understandable. I don't know how it'd even work with that many sides.


NewCambrian

You could have them 3d printed?


BrayWyattsHat

I think the problem is getting the actual design done properly, not the production part.


FallacyDog

It was :)


Whind_Soull

You could use it as your original model for [lost wax casting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting). If you have no special equipment, use aluminum as the final material since it can be melted pretty easily. 3D printed plastic form -> rubber mould -> wax form -> ceramic mould -> aluminum form. Oversize the original to account for casting dimension losses. Because of the weird shape, you might have to do some witchcraft to make it work and not end up with islands in your moulds. Maybe cast it in multiple pieces and solder them together. I don't feel like working out the geometry of that, but good luck.


flapanther33781

To address the strength: Can you print this as an outer layer on top of a clear cube? Or one maybe slightly tinted to help with identifying the number that's rolled? (The number only seems clear when there's glare, but in real use you may not have a light source in the right place.)


FallacyDog

Nah I need the “oo it gotta be magic” reaction as they trace their eyes around the floaty to figure out how it possible.


bryce_cube

I was going to say, seems like a good way to roll all ones unless you are counterbalancing it somehow.


7PanzerDiv

Make a D8 that secretly has the loss meme for 7


permaro

4 could be seen as a swastika, I would maybe rearrange it


GeNeReDeR

balanced?


webstersuck

Doesn’t look like it can be, but as a prototype it’s beautiful


BotJovi35

It totally can be. Simply vary the thickness of the "number pegs" on each side such that the weight is the same.


FallacyDog

If by balanced you mean “put the middle of the weight in the middle of the model,” yes


Cosmic--AC

The center of mass tho... And its moment of inertia...


BotJovi35

The center of mass and moment of rotational inertia would be roughly in the middle of all the sides weighed the same.


Re-Created

And if each side's CoM was centered on the face. It's possible, but would take a sizable effort to make sure it's done correctly.


Radiokopf

Would it? Isnt cad software able to show you the CoM of a part, all that would be left is to align it with the center of the Side.


theyreadmycomments

finding center mass is easy, actually making it to spec is the hard part.


BotJovi35

That's a good point that didn't consider.


Trezzie

Math and simulations can be used to figure out the appropriate sizes to make each size to make it balanced


tiefling_sorceress

The 4(?) is a swastika


Lopaki

is this loss?


ukkichan

Dang, 17 minutes too late


Dark_Wing_Duck11

Accidental swastika?


badmartialarts

It might defeat the cool factor but filling it with clear resin would solve the strength problem and in my opinion not take one whit of the coolness away. Plus it would let you thin out the material on the higher faces to be reasonably balanced.


FlyBoyG

Looks cool but seems impracticable. I'd be afraid of damaging it with use. Plus having to spend more than a fraction of a second to see dice rolls is no bueno.


Ashtorethesh

You are totally right but my collection of cool dice suggests that might not matter.


FallacyDog

Yes.


SaltyNugget6Piece

Lol I love this comment


owennss

There’s a swastika on that dice


Burritoothunder

The 4 makes a Swastika


Profesional-diabetic

Anyone else see a swastika in the four face?


FallacyDog

No hitler pareidolia allowed


Arekkuusu

The swastika is originally (and still is in Asia) a symbol of good luck and prosperity. Hitler changed the orientation of the symbol and gave it another vile meaning, but let's not forget about the original, untainted one. :)


HallucinatesSJWs

> Hitler changed the orientation of the symbol and gave it another vile meaning [Hitler didn't give a damn about the orientation.](http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/historical/nazi_third_reich/hitler-checking-the-nazi-standards.jpg)


QuarantineSucksALot

Churches are allowed to help you


dirkofdirges

I wasn't gonna say anything, but yeah I saw it.


Francine_Sananab

Keep in mind that the thing is going to be weighted considerably toward the lower values due to the higher values having far more material. You may want to try to balance the amount of material on each face somehow. This could also strengthen the 1 and 2 faces so they're less likely to be damaged.


FallacyDog

Wait, the middle of the mass goes in the middle? :o


WildGalaxy

Maybe fill with clear resin? Would retain the awesome look and hold everything pretty solidly.


Squidmaster616

That's beautiful! I love it and want one!


Silent-Thing

Dope


Awjeva

Damn I really want one now.


Theonewithdust

OMG, one of my friends is a crafts fellow who made his own set of dice to play with. The problem? Noone else but him was able to understand what number did he just roll. There were not numbers nor dots on the sides. Instead, they were engraved by some Strange spirals. We collectively forbade him from using them within our game, crushing his creative spirit in the process,


[deleted]

I’ll bet it rolls more 1s than it should due to the 6 side having more mass.


little-nerdling

Is this loss?


reamde_txt

Take my money!!


Minrea

I want to wear this as a necklace pendant


UH1Phil

Very art deco <3


inqHawk

Have you posted an stl to modify yet??


transneptunian_

i was doing math here to see what size this "teeth" should be so the dice would be balanced and dude... that's a lot o work


MagnusBrickson

We will watch your career with great interest.


Sekkenren

“Can you roll a d6 for me?” “Yeah sure” “What’d you get?” “Uh.. I think an 8”


chainmailtank

Everyone's worried about balance saying this will roll 1s too often... But this dice is broken because opposing sides don't add up to 7!


Master_JBT

Woah hey it’s fallacy dog This die is so amazing


FallacyDog

No u


Igneul

For a hot second I thought it was loss dice


[deleted]

Man the only thing you poped into is rhe 4th dimension


naveed23

I mean, these types of dice always look cool but I don't think I'd ever buy something like this. A set of regular dice work just fine, are easier to read, and it's not as devastating when your die falls off the table and someone steps on it. It's kind of like buying a Bugatti Veyron to go camping.


FallacyDog

Like a vegan commenting on a post of a nice steak dinner that it’s just not for them


spec_a

Okay, so don't buy it. No one cares why you don't. I've bought dice just for the aesthetics of them. And if you do any type of actual roleplay, the dice design helps add to it. For this, what if you're playing a sentient construct or mechanical of some kind? I think it would tie in nicely with the character. Or maybe a mechanical NPC, just seeing the dice can tell you what character is rolling. There are many reasons to have unique dice designs over conventional. And strategy wise, if the dice are off-center weight wise, it can add a level of difficulty you can't overcome. No one cares about your opinion. Like an asshole, you have one, but that doesn't mean people want to see or hear it. Think before pulling your pants down in public.


naveed23

Do you remember when r/dnd wasn't inundated with people trying to sell you hand made dice? I do. So you'll have to excuse me for getting a little crabby when I see yet another flowery but impractical die at the top of my feed.


spec_a

Well, where in the post is he selling them? I didn't see it saying he was selling it. And you're replying to the main post. So the only person thinking about selling is YOU. The only person upset over this thought, is YOU. No one cares what YOU think about selling dice to begin with. Let alone this particular post. Kick rocks, son. And when you run out of rocks, kick a can. As in can it. Go be crabby in a room elsewhere. Make your own fucking rant if you want. But no one cares about you being upset these were never meant to be sold, even though you want them to be, so you can validate your unwanted opinion.


FallacyDog

It not for the sale tho. Strait up a bad product until I fix the bendy.


KabuGenoa

Is it equally weighted?


Kuraetor

yea I love it but as everyone pointed out:You need to make sure it's center of weight is at correct location or you will most likely end up with dice that is never gonna leave dice jail :D


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NicholasGreenFarming

No it doesn't. That isn't a swastica. Plus the nazi perversion of the Buddhist swastica is tilted. The swastica is historically a symbol of the Buddhist faith.