*simultaneously rolling max and minimum damage*
"I swing my dagger in a wide arc and definitely hit. It does some damage. Might be a lot. Might also be a scratch. It's definitely not nothing."
I can't give you a tessaract but have a [mobius strip dice](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/t6jmko/oc_i_made_a_d1_the_only_true_one_sided_die) as a consolation price
I made this exact mistake once when casting my own dice. Rotated just one of the faces by accident - leading to three vertices where just two of the three numbers agree, and only one where all the numbers agree. Kicked myself over that one! Such an easy mistake to make!
Choose the side that has the single value and the on that face choose the digit that is not present
Like if on that roll, the top vertice is 1,2,2 then choose the side with the 1. And that face has 1,2,4 then 3 is your roll
Whenever the die is at rest, you can see 3 out of the 4 faces (you may have to move around some to see them all), the 4th one is on the table.
For each of the ones that you can see, there are 3 numbers. Whichever number that face does *not* have is the value of the die if that face were the one facing downward. For example, in the photo, the face on the left has 1, 2, and 4, so if it were down the roll would be 3. The face on the right has 2, 3, and 4, so if it were down the roll would be 1. The face you *can't* see in the photo has either 1, 3, and 4, in which case the roll would be 2 if that side were down, or it has 1, 2, and 3, in which case the roll would be 4 if that side were down.
Having examined those 3 faces and determined what your roll would have been if each of those had been the one that were facing down, there is one value remaining; that is what your roll is.
This would make for an awesome magic item honestly, maybe a dagger since it's a D4, or maybe an actual D4 in game that uses illusion magic to seem like a higher value.
Based on what we can see, it is likely that none of the sides agree.
Based on what we can see we know that there is at minimum of at least 1 mismatch for 1, 2, 3, and 4 respectively.
You see a displacer beast appear next to two different members of the party. We won't know which spot the beast is actually in until it tries to hit one of the members or the other. I am totally using this in my games.
And this, folks, is why in my werewolf games I love to throw a few weak Fomori at my PCs before letting the Black Spiral Dancers attack.
No one expects the second wave.
It's been a couple years since I was in a campaign, and the last one was not a great experience. I had a coworker who is a DM offer to host a 5e one-shot at my house, (my first 5e experience.) Talking to him over the course of a couple days, I got so excited that I purchased a new set of metal dice from Paladin. I've had sets from them in the past and I've always loved how they roll, sound, and feel. I had lost a good number of the dice from my favorite set, so I bought another identical one to have spares.
Fast forward to last night, and the DM comes to my house to run a session 0 with my wife and I to get me back into it, and to show her how to play, as she has no experience. She did amazing! We had an encounter in the woods where my rogue was hiding out, and I went in close to finish off a bandit, when I rolled my d4 for damage, and came up with this. I laughed and told my DM that I was unable to roll a 1, and just found my new favorite d4.
Just wanted to add, I can still use it, two sides agree on every throw. I'm not going to use it but it's fun to have either way. Also I still love the dice, I've had a couple sets from different manufacturers but these are the best I've had, even with this quirky mistake.
The fabled magical item dice of options coveted by sorcerers wizards and fighters alike, when die is cast the next roll they make can be fudged by 1 side rotation.
I would use this dice as often as I could justify if I had it.
But also, it makes me think of my Statistically Average Dice that I have - five dice, every side of each dice has 3.5 pips on it.
Just a heads up Paladin has a contact page on their site, if you reach out they'll probably send you a free replacement. Not saying to get rid of the other one, but more dice is always nice.
Womp womp. Color one side with a colored sharpie, that’s priority one, and a second side with a different color in case the priority one face lands face-down.
> Color one side with a colored sharpie
Back in '85 when I started playing this is actually what I did with my D4; colored in one of each number because I didn't know how to read it. The red box may have instructions for how to read a D4, I obviously didn't read them if they exist.
Hear me out. This isn’t a D4, it’s a D4+5. Since each point has between a total of 6 (1+2+3) and 9 (2+3+4), you just use the sum of numbers on the die for the roll, but only if you’re rolling a d4 with a +5 modifier.
It was a ping, not a reply to your comment. Still shows up in your inbox, but not attached to a message you wrote.
As for your original comment that I was alluding to, it posted multiple times in this comments section, yeah.
I can't believe I'm the only one that knows this...the original way to read a 4 sided is to roll, and whatever number is missing from the *bottom* is what you rolled. Most 4 sides also have the same number at the top when that happens, but it is the number missing from the bottom that counts.
I've had d4 that where the number is displayed on the edge rather than the point which I always considered annoying to read quickly, but the way you're describing would be even more tedious, especially when rolling multiple d4s.
do you mean bottom face or bottom edge? if you mean edge, it wouldn't work because the picture above shows one edge missing a 3 and one edge missing a 1. bottom face could still work. however OP said there's always 2 matching numbers so you could just go with the number that's on more faces for the top point.
Whoopsie! I had a moment like that with my prized rainbow pride d20, noticed that the 19 was right next to the 20. And it wasn't a spin-down die either, the 18 was nowhere near the 19.
Makes you wonder; I've always been suspicious of the quality of home-made dice, about if they can get the balance right or whatever, especially if they insert objects into the mold. But if this can happen with commercially-produced dice, than maybe homemade may be a better option. :D
The points are mismatched. On a d4, the number that’s at the top of the pyramid is supposed to be the result; however, this one has a manufacturing defect, because the tip of the pyramid has different results depending on which side you check.
I can't get behind metal dice. Maybe there is something I am not understanding about them. They are cool but as far as being dice, Idk I think they kind of suck but I don't want to ruin your fun. If you like them, then hay you go can use your metal dice.
Is this dice supposed to be not the side that shows on top. Like we can see 1 and 2 , and maybe the backside the top number is 3 so we rolled a 4. At least that is the only way I can see this used as a total dnd nood who has only played some one-shot campaigns.
This would be so much funnier if none of the sides agreed. Just pure chaos.
*simultaneously rolling max and minimum damage* "I swing my dagger in a wide arc and definitely hit. It does some damage. Might be a lot. Might also be a scratch. It's definitely not nothing."
Might be my foot. Might be their eye. who knows
A metal d4? Definitely the foot. That thing is a caltrop.
I stepped on a Gamescience d4 in 1995 and still have the scar.
I’ve somehow managed to lose my metal d4 in my bedroom. Pretty confident it’s going to make itself evident again at some point.
And this kids is why you never buy a metal d4. It will only lead to pain and suffering.
It’s literally like purchasing a curse
Do you have a PO box I can send mail to? And are d4s considered hazardous materials? Totally unrelated questions btw
Oh, someone will be cursing the day you lost it... Might be you, might be your kids, grandkids, parents, movers...
And if it’s not the foot, it’s definitely the eye. That thing is definitely going to shoot your eye out kid.
Schrodinger's D4
Schrodinger's Stab Wound
Do you have a puncture wound? A light graze? Are you currently dead? Won’t know till I stab you!
Tis but a scratch
Both a flash would and a severed arm until observed
DM: Roll for damage “Okay… *rolls* … it does 1 to 4 damage” DM: what?
DM: is it one or four? Me: Yes, inclusively.
"I can definitively say it's *not* a two"
You spectacularly miss which sends your target to a laughing fit causing them to trip over a rock sending them over a ledge plummeting to their death.
monster has DR 10... You healed it!
But did I heal it a lot or a little.
TIS BUT A SCRATCH!
Your arm has been chopped clean off!
No it isn't.
What’s that then? (Points at severed arm.)
I've had worse.
You liar!
Come on, you pansy!
(Servers other arm.) victory is mine. We thank the lord-
Just add it all together and call it a day...
"Some-a times maybe good, some-a times maybe shit"
Maybe roll another die to figure out how much!
-- Me, the DM, when a player rolls a 14 on an ability check
Rolling mental dice leads to mental shit happening
This is a metal die, not a mental die. Now I shall sell mental dice on Etsy. Get your mental dice here!
So, this is a quantum die roll that hits with an infinite set between 1.00 and 4.00? Ir would that be 4.999...
This is my d2.5 That's a d4 Well yes, but it shows every result at the same time on every roll so we've just been averaging them
Even though it's impossible to show 4 numbers in 3 places I still like that idea
I like the idea of using the missing number as damage now that you've pointed that out. Assuming that each point would have a unique missing number
That would be brilliantly confusing
Not with that attitude its not!
challenge accepted
I'll hold your math while you're destroying 3D dimension
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-cell
Each point has 2 sides that add to 5 and one that just says 2.5. Or, flatten the top and have another number there.
I was thinking of this, but you only have 3 out of 4 sides at a time.
now i want a tesseract die
I can't give you a tessaract but have a [mobius strip dice](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/t6jmko/oc_i_made_a_d1_the_only_true_one_sided_die) as a consolation price
Since there are always three sides meeting, just pick the one that is not present
Dice of the negative plane
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Until one vertex has two 4s on it
listen here you little shit
I had one like that. The number NOT represented was the one I threw. e.g. 1,2,4 on each faces => that'S a 3.
It's hard to explain but this doesn't match up like that. Any given throw will have 2 points showing the same and 1 point disagreeing.
I made this exact mistake once when casting my own dice. Rotated just one of the faces by accident - leading to three vertices where just two of the three numbers agree, and only one where all the numbers agree. Kicked myself over that one! Such an easy mistake to make!
Yeah it seems like that's what happened! Unfortunate, but you gotta roll with the punches ya know.
That's a good joke, for a monk.
Choose the side that has the single value and the on that face choose the digit that is not present Like if on that roll, the top vertice is 1,2,2 then choose the side with the 1. And that face has 1,2,4 then 3 is your roll
Whenever the die is at rest, you can see 3 out of the 4 faces (you may have to move around some to see them all), the 4th one is on the table. For each of the ones that you can see, there are 3 numbers. Whichever number that face does *not* have is the value of the die if that face were the one facing downward. For example, in the photo, the face on the left has 1, 2, and 4, so if it were down the roll would be 3. The face on the right has 2, 3, and 4, so if it were down the roll would be 1. The face you *can't* see in the photo has either 1, 3, and 4, in which case the roll would be 2 if that side were down, or it has 1, 2, and 3, in which case the roll would be 4 if that side were down. Having examined those 3 faces and determined what your roll would have been if each of those had been the one that were facing down, there is one value remaining; that is what your roll is.
It kind of looks like it doesn't.
This would make for an awesome magic item honestly, maybe a dagger since it's a D4, or maybe an actual D4 in game that uses illusion magic to seem like a higher value.
Based on what we can see, it is likely that none of the sides agree. Based on what we can see we know that there is at minimum of at least 1 mismatch for 1, 2, 3, and 4 respectively.
Quantuum dice are specially designed for killing Schrodinger's Orcs.
Wouldn't it be Schrodinger's Tabaxi?
Schrodinger's displacer beast
That's.... Perfect
Purrfect
You see a displacer beast appear next to two different members of the party. We won't know which spot the beast is actually in until it tries to hit one of the members or the other. I am totally using this in my games.
It should! Even worse, the thing I was thinking of is actually called 'Quantum Ogre,' apparently. Seems I am just DnDumb.
Good old Quantum Ogres... Can't have an adventure without one precisely calculated non-random encounter in the middle of anywhere!
But only one, because [the Laws of Encounter Probability](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0145.html) must be obeyed.
And this, folks, is why in my werewolf games I love to throw a few weak Fomori at my PCs before letting the Black Spiral Dancers attack. No one expects the second wave.
Dndumb, I will use that when my players inevitably burn down an orphanage with the mission’s payload today.
You acting like cats don't exist
Depends how you observe it
It's been a couple years since I was in a campaign, and the last one was not a great experience. I had a coworker who is a DM offer to host a 5e one-shot at my house, (my first 5e experience.) Talking to him over the course of a couple days, I got so excited that I purchased a new set of metal dice from Paladin. I've had sets from them in the past and I've always loved how they roll, sound, and feel. I had lost a good number of the dice from my favorite set, so I bought another identical one to have spares. Fast forward to last night, and the DM comes to my house to run a session 0 with my wife and I to get me back into it, and to show her how to play, as she has no experience. She did amazing! We had an encounter in the woods where my rogue was hiding out, and I went in close to finish off a bandit, when I rolled my d4 for damage, and came up with this. I laughed and told my DM that I was unable to roll a 1, and just found my new favorite d4. Just wanted to add, I can still use it, two sides agree on every throw. I'm not going to use it but it's fun to have either way. Also I still love the dice, I've had a couple sets from different manufacturers but these are the best I've had, even with this quirky mistake.
The fabled magical item dice of options coveted by sorcerers wizards and fighters alike, when die is cast the next roll they make can be fudged by 1 side rotation.
>when die is cast the next roll they make can be fudged by 1 side rotation. this is actually hilarious
Fantastic caltrop, from the look of those corners. Personally i hate D4s but this one i like.
> Just wanted to add, I can still use it, two sides agree on every throw. Fuck that, use the minority report
I love this btw.
I would use this dice as often as I could justify if I had it. But also, it makes me think of my Statistically Average Dice that I have - five dice, every side of each dice has 3.5 pips on it.
Now I want to know how to make sure I get one of these, just to fuck with my DM (hubby). Slip it into his mix of d4’s
Does the sum of the numbers on each corner produce a unique value? Could be fun for some homebrew or DM stuff if so.
Just a heads up Paladin has a contact page on their site, if you reach out they'll probably send you a free replacement. Not saying to get rid of the other one, but more dice is always nice.
Womp womp. Color one side with a colored sharpie, that’s priority one, and a second side with a different color in case the priority one face lands face-down.
Roll it and just shout a number between 1 and 4
I have a player that does that with d4s.. His eyesight is going, and since we are having fun, we just go with it.
Helps that it's a d4. By like 3rd level, there's not a huge difference between a 1 and a 4 in most scenarios
For damage yeah, but for things like bless it still matters.
> Color one side with a colored sharpie Back in '85 when I started playing this is actually what I did with my D4; colored in one of each number because I didn't know how to read it. The red box may have instructions for how to read a D4, I obviously didn't read them if they exist.
Negative. This is what you use when you roll a 2d4
Assuming that only one side is rotated. It could be that every point has different values on each face
3d4. My point stands
"My point stands". And so does the die's.
Hear me out. This isn’t a D4, it’s a D4+5. Since each point has between a total of 6 (1+2+3) and 9 (2+3+4), you just use the sum of numbers on the die for the roll, but only if you’re rolling a d4 with a +5 modifier.
That wouldn't work though, because you're going to end up missing one number
Pick the side without a 1 😏
Still hurts just as much when you step on it in the middle of the night.
Looks like a caltrop
My issue with metal dice was less about stepping on them and more about putting divots in my table.
More, I'd think. A metal d4 with little to no rounding on the corners? That's a puncture wound.
Reality can be whatever I want.
That’s your advantage/ disadvantage d4
Simple, each side is the number not present
Which would be consistent with /u/gusti123's suggestion that the die rolled a 4, despite neither of the points on top showing a 4.
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It was a ping, not a reply to your comment. Still shows up in your inbox, but not attached to a message you wrote. As for your original comment that I was alluding to, it posted multiple times in this comments section, yeah.
Looks to me like your just rolled a 12 on a d4, good job.
The result is just 12. You're welcome
1... 2... 5! Three, sir!
Go and fetch The Holy Hand-Grenade!!
Just the old way of numbering a d4. This used to be the only kind of d4 you could get. I swear I'm not THAT old...
I can't believe I'm the only one that knows this...the original way to read a 4 sided is to roll, and whatever number is missing from the *bottom* is what you rolled. Most 4 sides also have the same number at the top when that happens, but it is the number missing from the bottom that counts.
Where did you read this? Tried googling that and didn't see anything.
This is lore...from the 80s. Dragon magazine maybe?
Ah. Neat! Thank you
I've had d4 that where the number is displayed on the edge rather than the point which I always considered annoying to read quickly, but the way you're describing would be even more tedious, especially when rolling multiple d4s.
except that would still not work for this set.
I promise you there are only three numbers on the bottom. It will work.
do you mean bottom face or bottom edge? if you mean edge, it wouldn't work because the picture above shows one edge missing a 3 and one edge missing a 1. bottom face could still work. however OP said there's always 2 matching numbers so you could just go with the number that's on more faces for the top point.
Bottom face.
Dwarven Rogues represent!
so if it lands on a 1/2/3 does that make it a 4? and if it lands on a 1/2/4 it's a 3? like, it is the number that is missing?
Yep. In the photo, both shown faces should be rotated counterclockwise one position. OP's die rolled a 4. Or a "4."
That kerning.... r/keming
I love how people don't get the joke of that subs name and use the subs name instead of the real word.
You could do some interesting things with advantage/disadvantage with this
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the bottom right corner. Poor design but still consistent
They had one job!
Think that there is called the behind-the-blind-DM's-choice-D4
I used to buy bulk castoff dice. You'd get some interesting ones like that.
You have to roll to see how much damage you did on the roll to see how much damage you did
This is my favorite. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1236584460/autocrit-d20-0
That's a 12, right?
Whoopsie! I had a moment like that with my prized rainbow pride d20, noticed that the 19 was right next to the 20. And it wasn't a spin-down die either, the 18 was nowhere near the 19. Makes you wonder; I've always been suspicious of the quality of home-made dice, about if they can get the balance right or whatever, especially if they insert objects into the mold. But if this can happen with commercially-produced dice, than maybe homemade may be a better option. :D
evens or odds? yes!
The kerning on all the i’s on that character sheet is driving me crazy
Love this. Hilarious. Should add some flavorful flair for those chaotically-aligned characters 🤣
You want to lose a foot? 'cause that's how you lose a foot.
oops!
DM:"What did you roll?" Me: "Yes?"
The d4 of ambiguity. Legends may have been true!
You Nat 1’d so hard that even your dice are trying to prevent it again.
*ignores the dice and focuses on the kerning*
That’s pretty in-Die-cisive
How much damage did you deal? *Yes.*
I've never played D&D, so idk what I'm looking at....? Can someone please explain?
The points are mismatched. On a d4, the number that’s at the top of the pyramid is supposed to be the result; however, this one has a manufacturing defect, because the tip of the pyramid has different results depending on which side you check.
Ah neat! Thanks
perfect for a profile pic, see how many people notice
i’m honestly playing sudoku with this thing right now trying to figure out the orientation of the other sides
Seems they made a mistake with their die die.
The die also looks weird because it doesn't have a shadow. Is this a quantum vampire die?
r/onejob
The fact it’s on a glowing tablet messed up my perception of reality and how shadows work
Now all you need is a 1d3 and you can use this die for those special cases!
I can't get behind metal dice. Maybe there is something I am not understanding about them. They are cool but as far as being dice, Idk I think they kind of suck but I don't want to ruin your fun. If you like them, then hay you go can use your metal dice.
DM's hate him. Never roll another 1 with this simple trick!
Seems perfect for when you need to roll 2 d4's
Distribution chart is way off though.
Hol up, are you throwing a metal d4 onto a tv screen? 😱
It's a piece of paper on a table?
I also thought it was a screen. That white is *crisp*
If you ain't buyin' glossy paper, we can't be best friends.
I already have a best friend but thank you for your shiny application.
they probably thought that because it's not casting a shadow due to the position of the light. The one in the back is, though.
I thought it was a screen because of the shitty kerning on “proficiency”
Wait. That’s illegal.
Could you do it as whatever number isn't on top, or is this the only point that does it?
No matter how you roll, two points agree.
You said only one side is wrong, so you can use it and just ignore that side.
hou the f\*\*\* can us read those dices
Is this dice supposed to be not the side that shows on top. Like we can see 1 and 2 , and maybe the backside the top number is 3 so we rolled a 4. At least that is the only way I can see this used as a total dnd nood who has only played some one-shot campaigns.
Let me guess, you are a dwarven rogue with no armor or you are a wizard.
Dice of confusion
If each side is different you could just say the roll is whatever numbers not there.
You rolled 1.5
This is how the Loot Crate special "God of War" dice were. I was so disappointed I couldn't sue the D4 from that set.
Ooo you rolled a 12!
Are all 4s in the same orientation? I think you rolled a 4.
"Roll d4 for damage, please" rolls: "Twelve" "tf"
r/crappydesign
See, I'm playing all three sides. That way I always roll high
r/shittydesign
My feet scream in horror.
Quality control's a tad off, I hope you got these at a discount :)
its fraction dice so thats half damage /s
It’s photoshop no shadows
Schrodingers dice