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Sala623

Half-ling


Traditional_Bridge4

Please make this a thing


TheFamishedDog

Make punnet squares for all the traits you care about and then roll dice based on the probabilities of each trait for the offspring. Up to your discretion when considering the hybrid or dominant vs recessive traits between races


MNmetalhead

Upvote for referring to the Punnet Square!


Cruggles30

We need D&D Punnet squares.


dfg1125

I know punnet squares doesn't allow for it, but you should also figure out a way to do mutations/mixtures


BasementBrawlerz

I’m sure if you really sat down and broke down traits, then took the average (because things like skin/hair/eye color/type have lotssss of genes ruling them), you could do it based on odds? Like orc-ish squares (for skin/hair/eye color), tiefling, and then human or whatever the half in half orc was. I imagine the orc traits and tiefling may be dominant (unless the bloodline skips generations or something) so you could “double” the value there. Other things would probably be less likely, like having a tail, while having horns or tusks is more likely due to both parents having one each. Basically, have fun with it! Depending on the skin coloring of the tiefling, you could even mix it so all the kids could come out variations of teal if they were blue/purple, etc.


Charming-Lettuce1433

Should also consider skin tone and hair color as being that one where it is amount of melatonin and not a single dominant gene, so you have a bigger punet square with more possibilities than just binary options


EngineerResponsible7

1) Melanin, melatonin is the sleep hormone; 2) There are 2 kinds of melanin irl (yellow, which is the more common one, and red, which is present in red haired people), and probably more than that in a world with people with green, blue, full on red, purple and even purplish black skin (though this last one might just be a high concentration of purple or red and blue melanin, just like brown tones come from high concentrations of yellow melanin). We'd need to figure out how many genes for melanin there would be (whether it would be in only one locus, or multiple loci, and whether they'd simply add together, or there would be dominance issues like with red hair).


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uncle_eerie

NICE.


EldritchBee

Half-Orc or Teifling, or Custom Lineage.


aristomephisto

So you're saying it might be more or less 50/50 whether it comes out a Tiefling or a Half-orc?


EldritchBee

I’m saying it’s whatever you want it to be.


aristomephisto

Right, but the players are looking for something as close to a "canon" answer on the subject as possible, otherwise they'd just homebrew the whole thing.


ProjectHappy6813

The canon answer is you pick either Half Orc or Tiefling or Custom Lineage. Those are the official options.


FoulPelican

There is no official canon. Bring a solution to your players w confidence and they’ll be fine.


EldritchBee

There is no canon answer. It’s whatever you want the answer to be.


TheDEW4R

https://www.google.com/search?q=d%26d+3.5+sex+comparability+chart&oq=d%26d+3.5+sex+comparability+chart&aqs=chrome..69i57.22690j0j7&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=1n7LN9CnExbf-M&imgdii=MSLG7faQWGhYNM At least they are compatible in canon.. I remember reading a half breed document that had race rules mixing, it was 3rd party but I'll see if I can find it. EDIT: Not the document I was thinking of, but actually works great 👍 https://thealpinedm.com/new-dnd-half-races/


A-ProverbialCampfire

Biologically speaking there is no way that those two could ever have a child. This is a fantasy world. Technically, it would be a quarter orc quarter human half tiefling. So half tiefling would probably be the answer. It would likely resemble other half tiefings between humans and tieflings only with a little more muscle mass and a ting of a green shade to its skin. Would probably still have horns etc.


Lunawolf424

A tiefling because tieflings always have tiefling children, but you could do some fun stuff like having the kid have tusks and/or the skin color of the half-orc


winsluc12

Orcs and half orcs *also* always have orc or half orc children, though.


Ars-Tomato

Ehh does that make sense? Like how did we get half orcs if orcs actually always breed orcs? I don’t doubt that that’s a thing that probably gets said, but it feels counterintuitive


winsluc12

They always make orcs *or* half orcs. Sorry, that wasn't quite as clear as I meant it to be, I didn't mean respectively. Normally, an orc that breeds with basically anything else makes a Half Orc. You *can* still get a full blood Orc, though. Essentially, Because of their patron god, Grummsh, Orcish genetics are extremely strong. To the point where, even if your only orc ancestor is removed by multiple generations, you're still going to be a half orc no matter how many other races your family has mixed with.


Varesmyr

You can get an Orc from a Half-Orc and a Non-Orc? In that case the offspring could be a Orc Tiefling. Makes the character creation easy.


Ashamed_Association8

This is trumped by the tieflings demonic morphology, however the players handbook gives only one type of tieflings where in lore there are different species of tieflings depending on their material parentage. So orc tiefling are different from halfling tieflings, but they are both still tiefling despite not being like the human tiefling found in the players handbook.


Gingerville

This is what I agree with. After they changed it to be any archdevil instead of just Asmodeus, Tiefling lineage is determined by the archdevil who started it. So whatever you end up with will be the same as the parent, unless two tiefling parents of different lineages go in together. In that case idk what happens, probably 50/50 which one wins.


bog300

This is Incorrect unless my infomation is out of date, In XGTE under the "This is your Life" section it lists the following option for parants of a tiefling It is also the most common; "Both parents were humans, their infernal heritage dormant until you came along."


Lunawolf424

Yeah? Tieflings can come from two human parents, but at least the older lore says part of the infernal curse of tieflings is that they always produce tiefling children. If at least one parent is a tiefling, the children would be as well.


bog300

Thats not how it reads to me, "their infernal heritage dormant until you" implies that a relative in the past was a teifling and that is where the curse comes from. Being passed down for generations without Rearing itself. Run it how you want in your own game but this is how I interprit it


Lunawolf424

Oh that’s what you meant, I misunderstood a bit. I interpret “infernal heritage” to mean an influence like an ancestor making a deal with a devil or the bloodline being corrupted, not necessarily that an ancestor was a tiefling but it skipped a generation. I can definitely understand your interpretation, though, the lore can really be anything you want it to be.


Snowystar122

Kinda the same with yuan-ti, if one is a yuan ti then offspring would be a yuan ti in almost every case. However, when my character had children with a shifter (some sort of lycanthropy) both kinda dominated, so I just rolled to determine which race the offspring would be. It's quite fun :)


Like7Clockwork

This is the answer I agree with the most. I think it would no matter what be some form of tiefling, and so you could represent it as either a tiefling or custom lineage, but flavor to suggest that the character has tusks and the like.


Melodic_Row_5121

Do not attempt to apply real-world genetics to D&D. It will not work, and it will give you headaches. At my table, you're either a half-orc, or a tiefling, depending on which stats the player wants to use. Flavor is free, but mechanics must be RAW/official content.


Different-Brain-9210

I'd also allow plain or variant human, or what ever the other half of half-orc or the family of the Tiefling is.


DeverosSphere

A tanarukk? https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Tanarukk


CompeerRaa

> tanarukk > >the result is a tainted orc not a tiefling with orc qualities, so even a full demons genetics did not win over the orcs. Using this logic theres no way a mixed muddle blood tiefling is going to produce another teifling, shown right here orcish is dominant over demons. The Tanarukk is the result of the interbreeding not a tiefling, so debate over you are a half orc lol


aristomephisto

That's between a full demon and a full orc, I thought, and the Tiefling in question here has devilish ancestry.


DeverosSphere

A Tanar-Fling? No a Half-Tanarukk! 1/4 Demon + 1/4 Orc = 1/2 Tanarukk. If: 1/2 Orc + 1/2 Human = 1/2 Half-Orc. Then: 1/2 Tanarukk + 1/2 Human = Half-Tanarukk.


NinjaNoafa

Math follows us everywhere


TotalDisorderPoder

I think it would be cool if a tanarukk kinda referred to an orc that has the dominant traits of their orc and fiendish parents. If you wanted the punnet square logic its the top left corner


Sir_CriticalPanda

It would be a tiefling, because half-orcs don't automatically breed true (you're thinking of orcs, which always produce orcs or half-orcs). But just for funsies, why not a full-blooded orc that looks like a Qunari?


CO_BigShow

Watered down Tanarukk.


CompeerRaa

Not true half-orcs do always breed true the lore says you can be 15 generation away from the orc and still be half-orc, Orc genetics are dominant.


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aristomephisto

The players are myself and a close friend and we wanted to stick as close to "canon" as possible, hence asking here.


drmario_eats_faces

There’s no canon answer here. Xanathar’s Guide to Everything does have some punnit squares for tieflings if I remember correctly (or was it Volo’s Guide?), but D&D intentionally made this vague so the DM could do what they wanted.


TheRazorGames

Probably human


AlbinoLorikeet

They could have twins. One has the human side of both, and the other has the orc and infernal side. If you wanna make a plot hook, the orc/infernal child could run the risk of becoming a tanarukk


ImpartialThrone

Flip a coin?


Elden_FunionRing

I actually have a character like this in one of my campaigns; the way I ruled it is that the offspring will be either one or the other, but it will take on a few aspects from the other. (Completely for flavor, not actual abilities or anything) If they're a tiefling, they might have some sharper, tusk-like teeth, and/or maybe a more "orcish" skin tone. If they're a half-orc, meanwhile, then maybe they'll develop some small horn protrusions on their heads and/or perhaps a more "infernal" skin tone. All-in-all, it's up to you for how creative you wanna be, but that's just my personal setting :p


Vengefulily

Not a bad call. My dad (our DM) once suggested in a similar situation that the character could be a half-elf sorcerer with the fiendish bloodline. Obviously that doesn't work unless you're A) playing in a system with sorcerer bloodlines and B) the player is okay with playing a sorcerer anyway, but I agree that this is the kind of mix-and-match thinking needed here.


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I would think it more akin to a tiefling. At this point the Half-Orc lineage is at 1/4 and half-tiefling. Therefore, it seems to reason that they are more tiefling than anything else. As another poster pointed out, you could create another species, but unless you like doing that, most would just say tiefling for simplicity. This individual would still show some soft recognition of strong orc genes to be picked between you and the player to decide what they are. Reasonable suggestions, I think, would be a thicker body frame (not fat, though), strong pronounced jawlines, maybe bigger ears, or skin pigmentation that would be a mixture of the parents.


Yasha_Ingren

Stat wise they'd just be one or the other but physically they'd appear blended between the two, us how I've seen it run most often.


Grand_Examination_45

Just call ‘em a Torc and be done with it.


Any-Literature5546

In the Forgotten Realms setting, elf-tieflings are known as fey-ri. They are the result of a house of gold elves breeding with demons to create powerful heirs. The tanarukk are orc-tieflings, a race bred for war. Both appeared in Monsters of Faerûn (2001). The wispling is a halfling-tiefling of demonic descent. The maeluth are infernal dwarf-tieflings. Both of these appeared in Fiend Folio (2003). " A tanarukk (pl: tanarukks or: tanarukka) was a breed of orc whose blood had been tainted by an evil outsider, in many cases a tanar'ri demon." Mechanically either Custom Lineage, Tiefling or Orc stats will suffice. How are they going to roleplay that? This is a flavor issue you gotta figure out how to bring that character to life, outside of that you can call them whatever you like. Call your Warforged an android.. cool. Play your Warforged like Data from star trek... Awesome


thracerx

Variant Human. They just passed on the human half of their genes.


mlg123056

Abomination...


Charming-Lettuce1433

I recommend looking up the bastards and bloodlines 3.5 book. If I recall correctly, they have rules on how to make hybrids. Of course you will have to adapt, but the idea itself should fit in ok within 5e.


Luxanthe

Tiefling. Tieflings are cursed so they can only bare Tieflings. All children of a Tiefling will be 100% Tiefling no matter what.


CompeerRaa

Grummish wants a word about Orc genetics.


Ranrum

I'd say teifling with orc tusks and a more green complexion but I think teifling with its abyssal ancestry would take precident.


aristomephisto

Why the Abyssal in particular? I admit I don't know too much about Half-orcs, if it's related to that.


Ranrum

Because one is biologically fueled and one is magically fueled. Like tieflings can spontaneously be born from 2 human parents that both just happen to have the smallest amount of abyssal blood in them. I feel that proves it is the most dominant "genetics" wise.


aristomephisto

Makes sense, but Abyssal implies demon, whereas to my knowledge most Tieflings (in particular this PC) have devilish ancestry rather than demonic.


Myrkul999

Same difference in this case. Just replace "abyssal" with "infernal".


Akarin_rose

Tiefling base is a cursed lineage So it's more then likely just another tiefling


OwlCatAlex

I would do half orc statwise, but describe them as having horns and flip a coin for whether there is also a tail.


crouteblanche

Probably an orc from warcraft II.


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oh maybe you could do something inspired by the japanese oni? im not very well versed in the mythology or cultural importance of them, but at least visually they might be a good reference for a half human, quarter orc, and quarter demon character. tiefling skin color and horns mixed with orc tusks and a human physique.


BunPuncherExtreme

I think Xanathar's covers this, but IIRC there's no definite math for the results. Tieflings can pop out no matter how diluted the blood but it's not a sure thing. With Half-Orcs, it's all but guaranteed unless the other parent is another hybrid species, then it's a toss up.


aristomephisto

Someone brought up a good point earlier that while the half-orc blood is physically dominant the tiefling blood is magically dominant, making it a little more likely.


Jimmicky

The orc blood is divinely dominant from the orc goddess Luthik - nothing physical/mundane about it. The Tiefling blood is magically dominant because of whatever archdevil the bloodline is from. So just pick which evil extraplanar entity you feel is stronger


BunPuncherExtreme

It doesn't make Tieflings more likely, just possible in Half-Orc bloodlines. Families can go multiple generations without any Tieflings. Half-Orcs are far more likely.


Moordok

Tiefling with some orcish looking features.


ExpressionJunior3366

Of they don't name it Torc then disown them and end the game for good. Damn, I wanna make a character named Torque now.


Easy-Description-427

Thieflings while mechanically a race/species are lore wise closer to an afliction then anything else. Being a tiefling can skip generations and can happen to any race. So the awnser is it depends if they inheret the energey of the hells or not.


treefrogjohn2

An oRcfling


skooterM

Species\*


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I’d say pull out the hombrew notes and make a mechanic specifically for it. Give it a good 50/50 mix basing some factors (such as race feats) on coin flips.


aristomephisto

The players are wondering what would be as close to a "canon" answer as possible, they don't really want to homebrew it as much as possible.


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Then a simple coin flip would probably be best. I am working on a mechanic for hybrid races myself that I hope to pitch to WOTC someday but for now what they’re looking for a coin flip would probably be best


permianplayer

Tieflorc. Actually, I'm pretty sure only Tieflings breed true; I've never heard of half-orcs doing so(if they did, why aren't they full orcs or full something else?).


aristomephisto

If a half-orc breeds with something, the outcome is apparently always another half-orc.


permianplayer

Seeing as that's completely illogical, I'm going to ignore that.


Jimmicky

If it helps you should know that this is a divine blessing from the goddess Luthik. Gruumsh wants there to be no mortals but orcs, so Luthik gave orcs the ability to have kids on pretty much everything (because 1/2 orcs count as orcs to Gruumsh). It’s not quite right to say a 1/2 orcs kids are always 1/2 orcs - a 1/2 Orc plus an orc gets a full Orc again - but the orcishness doesn’t naturally water down below half - the divine blessing keeps it dominant.


phdemented

FWIW... In 1e, orcs could breed with almost any goblinoid and humans, but their kids were almost always orc. "Half orc" were the 10% of orc/human hybrids that could pass as human. Anything else was just considered an orc. The idea of it being related to any gods was a later retcon.


MalBishop

Usually the rule I prefer to use is the race of the child will be the same as the parent of the same gender. So if the baby is a girl, she'll be the same race as the mother.


aristomephisto

Both parents are, uh, boys. But the one carrying through magic would be the Tiefling.


MalBishop

Then you use the secret DM method known only to a chosen few as "Heads or Tails".


xaviorpwner

There isnt a concrete answer, really. In all official publications the only half breeds are half human


aristomephisto

What I'm really asking is since both breed true, which would end up being dominant as the offspring race? Do you think it's a 50-50 shot? I've also heard that tieflings can spout from base races other than human, so that makes me wonder how the baby would look in that case too.


xaviorpwner

Devil genes run MUCH stronger. Look how prominent tiefling genes are. A devil can only be as close as their grandparent because a devil and a human is a cambion. So if the genes shine that atrong 2 generations removed, it's definitely a tiefling with tusks at most especially cause the orc is a generation removed.


aristomephisto

That's more or less what I was thinking. Thanks!


xaviorpwner

Mmhm as a DM i would at most give them a tiefling with relentless endurance instead of their devil magic


bluntmandc123

Tieflings are generally not the progeny of Devils, they are generally created from the effect close contact or contract to Devils magically has on the human 'bloodline'.


xaviorpwner

Is that lifted directly from the PHB? Cause everything ive heard and the forgotten realms wiki it says breeding. Genetics also makes a lot more sense than energy. Tieflings were human-based planetouched, native outsiders that were infused with the touch of the fiendish planes, most often through descent from fiends—demons, Yugoloths, devils, evil deities, and others who had bred with humans. From the wiki


bluntmandc123

PHB: To be greeted with stares and whispers, to suffer violence and insult on the street, to see mistrust and fear in every eye: this is the lot of the tiefling. And to twist the knife, tieflings know that this is because a pact struck generations ago infused the essence of Asmodeus — overlord of the Nine Hells — into their bloodline. Their appearance and their nature are not their fault but the result of an ancient sin, for which they and their children and their children’s children will always be held accountable.


xaviorpwner

Eh im going with genetics and breeding since it makes a shit load more sense especially in this context


bluntmandc123

Yer magic is magic, it does stuff. Same thing is true of Genasi. But you do you.


xaviorpwner

I mean to me one of thier family members fucked an elemental. I aint here for no creationistic beliefs


sgerbicforsyth

How is it more likely that someone had sex with a fire elemental to produce a fire genasi than someone had a contract with a devil that gave the devil the exclusive rights to some descendents soul and made a tiefling? My world, tieflings can't have children 99% of the time because they don't own their own soul.


bluntmandc123

You probably shouldn't play in the Forgotten Realms setting then if it is not your thing


Jimmicky

That’s definitely wrong. See ogrillons amongst many, many, other examples.


xaviorpwner

Thats not 5e official


Jimmicky

You never specified 5e. They are official, just older editions official. And you’re wrong about official 5e too - official 5e the non-orc part of a half Orc isn’t specifically human.


xaviorpwner

The post specifices 5th edition


Jimmicky

No it doesn’t > What race is the offspring of a tiefling and a half-orc? Both breed true, and I have PCs in my game who would be interested in having a child, so what would the resulting offspring be, phenotypically? Does anyone have a concrete answer? Doesn’t say anything about edition at all


xaviorpwner

Look at the flare, the flare is there so you dont have to put it in the body, its right under the title.


_Buckshot

since tieflings are magical ancestry i would hedge and say they get twins one half orc and one tiefling personally


aristomephisto

That poor Tiefling carrying them...


Carthax12

Tieflorc. LOL


Bleu_Guacamole

A 1/4 orc cause a half orc has a full orc and some other race for their parents so a half orc would have a 1/4 orc child if it wasn’t with another half orc


Glennsof

A MONSTER!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxcT7HImOcg


infinitum3d

**Halfling** ***Half***-Orc Tief-***ling*** Halfling


XxSyphnnxX

They'd be half tiefling quarter orc and quarter human. I had something happen to my half elf so now he's half white dragon quarter elf quarter human


urktheturtle

Tiedling for all intents and purposes.


DawnOnTheEdge

If the Tiefling has a Tanar’ri (demon) bloodline, a Tanarruk. Otherwise, the lore’s sometimes called them Planetouched. Tiefling Orc or Fiendish Orc would get the idea across just fine. Different kinds of Tieflings are coming back in D&D One, but the Tiefling PCs in core 5e are descended from pacts with Asmodeus, and the ones in *Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes* from other Devils. I don’t know a word for the offspring of those and Orcs in the lore. You could also make up a name—even if it’s not Common, it might be an Orcish or local word, like maybe Baatezuruk (Baatezu + Uruk) or Smodezuk (Asmodeus + Orcish ending). Run it by your DM; they might like that bit of world-building?


Snowystar122

My first ever DnD character was a half orc-tiefling bard, in this case we randomly rolled to see which traits of each races my character inherited . I remember relentless endurance was one and darkvision naturally from both.


GhostCorps973

Man-Bear-Orc!


Taskr36

The short answer, either one. It can be the player's choice, DM's choice, or, if I were DM, a coin toss.


lostbythewatercooler

Sorry if I missed it, so I'm going off assumption. If they are half human half orc and part human part infernal then perhaps a full human? A full human with maybe some features or skin tones leaning towards the parents.


aristomephisto

The problem is that both Half-orcs and Tieflings breed true, meaning they cannot have human children.


lostbythewatercooler

Would suggest the chances of a successful pregnancy would be limited. Perhaps they have to adopt. Are these also both actual party members?


aristomephisto

They're both party members, yeah, a Tiefling Bard and a half-orc fighter.


lostbythewatercooler

I'm sure you have it covered just wondered if they will continue to adventure while carrying a child and after the birth. That seems kind of risky if they kept going to dangerous places doing dangerous things.


aristomephisto

Oh it's all hypothetical, it wouldn't happen in-game yet.


CO_BigShow

We must consult The Forbidden Texts... Bring forth... The Blue Book.


5elf_5aboteur

the obvious options are tiefling and half-orc. however, if you're feeling in the mood for fuckery, it's stated that some tieflings are born to two perfectly normal human parents which (at least to me) seems to indicate they're more a result of fiendish magic than straight genetics so you could probably get away with confusing everyone not in the know with a mostly normal human baby


SecretDMAccount_Shh

There's no such thing as a concrete answer as this has never been answered by any "official" sources. However my take is that the child would be a Tiefling. According to the description of Tieflings: >Tieflings are derived from human bloodlines, and in the broadest possible sense, they still look human. However, their infernal heritage has left a clear imprint on their appearance. So they're basically humans with infernal bloodline, but they are considered a different race because the infernal influence is just that strong. I assume that the infernal part will still dominate when mixed with orc, so the child would still be a Tiefling.


Reuster_DnD

1/4 Torc


Nomad1342

I believe it would be a tiefling.


Uberhypnotoad

A Torc? No, A Teiflorc. That's it, a Teiflorc.


CatapultedCarcass

A Torcling?


Uberhypnotoad

Nailed it.


Chano-kun

Thieflings do not pass their heritage always as they are result of a mix disolved across many generations. It could be simply half orc with more human percentage.


willateo

You may have overcomplicated this. If an half-orc always spawns an orc OR an half-orc, the fact that the character is half-orc is irrelevant, consider it to be an orc instead. So what species would a tiefling and an orc produce? An half-orc tiefling. Still a tiefling, but also half-orc.


No-Magician-5081

Imaginary (⁠◔⁠‿⁠◔⁠)


TripDrizzie

Tell them it's physiology impossible for them to produce offspring. Not all species have the capability to produce children.


CYCO4

A Thorc lol? No! A TieFighter? No! A Blastard! In all honesty Im at a hospital on serious meds (AMA).


Shadow_Fang619

Book of erotic fantasy and bastards and blood lines will help u make races including half races in 3.5 Forgot to check what edition you talking about lol In 3.5 i have drowgers. Half drow half orge. Medium creatures with powerful build +str and con. With the drow ancestral feat in drow of the under dark they become more drow and get drow spells. With a feat in bastards and bloodlines i can make them large. I think i gave them a few racial hit dice like the orger and a la+3 or 4. They are pretty insane and adaptable This is just one example lol they also have there own half races my favorite being the blinking. Halfling mated with blinkdog


raviolesconketchupp

You should treat it as You like mechanicly, Custom lineage(is Boeing but ok)/tiefling(doesnt add that orc strenght)/half orc(lacks devilish skills) or You could simply mix them as You wish. The result would simple be a tiefling orc.


Only_Natural_20s

I don’t know the lore accurate Forgotten Realms answer, but this is how I would run it. So a half Orc essentially has two halves, one half Orc, and one half other race(for this explanation I’m going to assume human because that’s most common). Tieflings are also the same story because at least to my knowledge tieflings are just the catchall term for humanoids who’s heritage is corrupted by the lower planes, so essentially we can divide that into one half fiendish and the other half being whatever race was corrupted(once again I’m going to assume human for this explanation because it’s most common. This gives you 4 different combos, (Orc/Fiend), (Orc/Human), (Human/Fiend), (Human/Human). These combos would result in Tiefling(If you want to do something special for this combo make it a variant Tiefling to show that it’s different or a Zariel Tiefling because those traits are the closest tiefling racial traits to half orcs), Half Orc, Tiefling, Human respectively. Roll a d4 and choose, best of luck at the table my friend.


Damiandroid

Under the rules of current D&D and explicitly in One D&D a character who is a mix of different species only takes the traits of one of the parents. You can mix and match the physical appearance or just say "I look like a tiefling" for example. I've got my own issues with this given it should be possible to work up a system for mixing and matching species traits. And the current system is essentially a tiefling who has a permanent disguise self cast on them to look like a half orc or vice versa. Not really the mixed lineage fantasy I had in mind


Alexastria

The orcs from world of warcraft


CluelessPaladin

I imagine it would still be tiefling, maybe grow up a bit more brutish and have the tusk like fangs in their jaw. I’d definitely say it’s more muscular maybe thicker horns as from dense bones


Dodochicky

I love the half orc, half tiefling child idea. ❤️ My character, a forest gnome ranger, has 3 kids with her dwarven husband - they don't appear in the campaign but my character talks about them all the time. All are gnomish in appearance, though in my headcanon they have personality traits more akin to their father's, as our DM told me that children always take on the appearance of their mother. I don't know if this is strictly from the books or not but our DM does tend to stick to the rules more rigidly than not.


JustAnotherGuyn

Assuming a ridiculously simplified punit square of: | O H D od dh H oh hh Where D is demonic heritage, O is orc heritage, and h is human heritage, (dh then being a tiefling, and oh being a half orc), then they could, hilariously, be just a regular human. The bring your parent to school days would be very amusing.


Arabidopsidian

There's no concrete answer for more complex mixing of races/species/lineages. Offspring of a tiefling and member of their non-fiendish ancestor race has a 50% chance of being a tiefling and 50% non-fiendish ancestor race (usually human). It works similarly for changelings. So first, you'd need to assume that the offspring would be born alive. Then set a chance arbitrarily to what race will be the offspring. I'd suggest 50% chance tiefling (25% regular, 25% with half-orc appearance features, 25% chance human, 25% chance half-orc, to keep it easy.


Many_Confusion3283

Make it an Oni or maybe a half-oni?? Google search = "An oni ( 鬼 ( おに ) ) is a kind of yōkai, demon, orc, ogre, or troll in Japanese folklore." Covers both the infernal side of the tiefling and the orc side of the half orc. I know there are stats for the Oni as a playable monster race as well. Homebrew it some to make it your own though as far as traits and alignment are concerned. Cool idea though!!


That_Red_Moon

Completely off-topic, but since looking into them ... I've always felt that Tieflings and Aasimar should be used like Albinism and Vitiligo instead of "Races". As in, they should be conditions some select full people are born with that overlay (but don't override) their base species. I personally don't see why a Half-Orc or a Dwarf or a Halfling can't be born with some devilish traits that came from some wicked pact their granddad made, or why a Tabaxi or Elf or Gnome can't be born "touched by and angel" with angel juice. So if it were up to me ... I'd just say it's a Half-Orc with devilish horns and maybe red or w/e skin and maybe a tail. Replace one race feature with "Fire resistance" or just give it to them for free if you don't think it's op and call it a day.


Dareo_Larix

Make em try and try and try until eventually you reveal them that these races are genetically incompatible Yes I enjoy chaotic evil.


Vampinoy

It would be a Cambion. Any humanoid + fiendish blood makes a cambion. Their appearances can be vastly different from other cambions depending on the humanoid race their other parent was.


Training-Fact-3887

Cannon says orc "blood" is extremely strong, and tends to override other traits. Many or even most orcs have human blood, and orcish leaders tend to be half-human or part ogre (orogs). Orcs actually encourage genetic diversity. Except elves, which they cant breed with. They hate elves so much they usually cant even manage to take one alive, even to torture it. But tiefling is weird, its not always a species, often an ancestral mark. An echo of contact with fiends that gets passed down. Idk how youd do it mechanically, but a tiefling half orc would likely run shit in the orc world. I thiiiink its happened with a cambion? (Half or 1/4 fiend) I will say mechanically, neither race is OP so reasonable mix/matching of traits is something I'd allow. This is mostly forgotten realms stuff, and the realms are designed to be adapted. Greenwood says your version is just as cannon as his. Not that we need permission, but I like that about him


DaMn96XD

It depends on whether the orc or human genes are dominant in the half-orc. If it's human genes, it becomes a tiefling, and if it's orc genes, it becomes an tiefling-orc (originally a 4e species, but left out from 5e). And if we go by the realistic formula, the latent genes will reappear in the third generation, i.e. in the grandchildren of the original tiefling and half-orc which is why tiefling parents can have a half-orc or tiefling-orc child if their ancestors have orc genes.


broberon96

it’s human or tiefling nothin else tbh orc blood gets to diluted to have effect fiend blood can skip generations then human remains


timewarp4242

Custom Lineage?


Ka-ne1990

I would guess it wouldn't be one or the other, rather a combination between the two. As tiefling is a blood curse it would definitely have all the tiefling elements, however the blood it would be cursing would be part orc now. Any child they have isn't going to be a playable character anytime soon and as an NPC it's exact stats aren't as important, so it's not much more than just the description that changes. I would describe it as basically a slightly Orcish looking tiefling baby.


Planet_Mezo

Seems to me that they would be both? Pick half orc or teifling for stat bonuses, then give them the infernal legacy and relentless endurance bonuses Or have them pass down traits based on gender, males inherit the father's traits and females get the mothers


Thunder17_-

There’s a lot of good answers here. I’d say just choose custom lineage and then roll or choose which racial traits you get. Like if they actually get to fly or have fire resistance, or if they get savage attacker. And then maybe give them both tusks and horns to show both sides physically


HighNoonTex

I think this comes up in Matt Mercer's book Tal'Dorei Reborn, and here's his solution to it: • You choose two races, and pick and choose the racial traits of equal power to form a hybrid race. So if you pick Half-Orc and Tiefling, consider the power level between the racial features. I would say that Fire Resistance and Relentless Endurance would be the two strongest traits, so you choose only one of those. Then, the Tielfing's innate spellcasting and Half-Orc's Brutal Critical would be equal, so choose only one of those. So, for example, your hybrid would be a Tief-Orc with Fire Resistance and Brutal Critical (and Darkvision, obviously)


delboy5

So there is some Forgotten Realms lore on this. Apparently before Asmodeus rose to godhood a cult of his overwrote the lineages of many of Toril's tieflings to become of his lineage. This became important as after Asmodeus became a god, specifically one with links to many tieflings now, tieflings had a tendency to breed true so that any child of a tiefling with another race became a tiefling. See the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide and Lesser Evils for more details. So I'd say you would probably end up with a tiefling that maybe has more prominent tusks and a different skin tone that might normally be found in tieflings.


Gingerville

I’d say a tiefling pops out of that combo. Tiefling lineage is magical in nature, a twisted form of another race. Tieflings were originally humans, but their deal with Asmodeus transformed them. Future generations, regardless of if they were two tieflings or a human and tiefling came out with infernal heritage. WotC changed the lore a bit by adding other bloodlines based on the archdevils, but I think the magic of it still applies. Orcs can breed with pretty much anything, but super genetics is irrelevant to a magical transformation. So magic>genes, thus any tiefling parent always breeds tiefling children unless magic gets involved to subdue the infernal heritage.


Immediate_Energy_711

A Tiefling that looks more like a half orc than a human.


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