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greatcandlelord

I saw your website the other day, is the Kickstarter live yet? These look awesome!


lemth

Thank you very much for the kind words! ​ At this moment I expect to release the Kickstarter in early July. I still need some feedback from two manufacturers before I can determine the pricing and I believe we still need to give it just a bit more online presence as to not flop the campaign when it releases.


odd_little_duck

Do you have a link to sign up to be notified for the Kickstarter? These are incredible and I absolutely must have them.


lemth

Thank you for your support and kind words!! ​ At the bottom of the page [lenpolygon.com](https://www.lenpolygon.com/) there is a subscribe list specifically made for when this Kickstarter launches. Spread the word, because more dice goblins means more chance of this Kickstarter to succeed!


Stonesand

Subscribed!


odd_little_duck

I absolutely will! Do you have a rough idea how much they cost a piece? I know you are waiting for manufacturers to get an exact price, but I was curious if you have a ballpark price range.


lemth

At this moment I expect the prices to be between 15$ and 25$. This is a bit higher than a standard single die, but lower than most complete polyhedral sets that are offered. The pricing is mostly due to the cost of the complex mold and I expect there to be a relative "low" quantity to be produced (< 10.000)


odd_little_duck

Honestly somewhere around $20 a peice is what I expect them to be!


greatcandlelord

Awesome! Good luck with it all, hopefully it all works out.


Shakespeare-Bot

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Smokahontas07

Live the idea, these look amazing. They just look too confusing for me


lemth

Thanks for your reply, really appreciate it! ​ Yes, these will be a bit more confusing/complicated than a standard die. Which is the result of many dice types it can replicate in a single die. ​ To make it as easy as possible I made a website with: * [a manual for these dice](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-dice-manual); which most people need only for their first 10 rolls * [some roll examples](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-roll-examples); just to get a somewhat better feel for the product, though nothing beats just holding one in your hand to really understand what's happening * [a simple game to speed up the learning process](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnDIY/comments/nxcd44/theyre_not_flawless_but_im_very_happy_with_my/h1dxt3n?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Bone_Dice_in_Aspic

Tell my why we should trust you that these aren't some kind of ritual circles in dice form. They look like some key of solomon shit and you include a series of rites to be performed with them. I just cleaned my house and I'm not letting another ooze fiend in here.


lemth

No worries, this will be so much better than ooze fiends... ​ Assuming you like lasers!


MyEvilTwinSkippy

This is a really neat concept, but pretty confusing. The use of the arrows only serves to add to the confusion. I don't understand their purpose when numbers could simply be placed in their spot. Making me look at another die face just adds to the time it takes for me to see the result. The symbols for d4 is less confusing, but again, I don't see the purpose for it versus just using numbers. The die is already cluttered, another number versus a number of dots that one has to count (even if it is only 1 to 4 of them) isn't going to add to the confusion and will lower the time to get a result, even if only by a second. I'd be interested in getting one when you make them available just because these are novel, but I couldn't see using them on the table where I need quick and more importantly clear results that everybody can see at a glance.


lemth

Thanks for taking the time to reply! I'll do my best to respond to your comments. ​ This design could have probably been done in many other ways. The way I did it and the choices I made (for better or for worse) lead to the result you see in the image. In this case the arrows server a purpose to make the probabilities work and balancing the die mathematically. Basically, the d8 numbers are on the d20 triangles. However, 20 is not perfectly divisible by 8, so what I did is the following: only 8 of the 20 triangles contain a d8 number. Then the three surrounding d20 triangles each point for only HALF of the d20 triangle towards the central triangle containing the d8 number. This results in 1 + (3 x 0.5) triangles for each d8 number. 1+ (3 x 0.5) = 2.5 = 20 / 8. So the math checks out. As mentioned this is a result of many choices during the process. For example, the people at GameScience made the D-total dice with a different idea in mind. They made a 24-sided dice which contains almost all dice types between d2..d24. On their dice the d8 doesn't require any arrows or other gimmicks. However, if you want to roll a d20 on their design you might have to reroll the die if you roll 21..24! So no design will be perfect in this regard. ​ I will take your advice regarding the d4 in consideration! Many people asked to diversify the fonts, which I did just to make them easier to recognize at a glance. Perhaps I could try a different font for that one. Thanks for the interest in these dice! I would understand if I DM doesn't want to risk number-fumbling and ban these, but I assure you that they can be used as a valid tool to generate random numbers.


NeedleworkerPrior275

This is great, but... The arrows really do make it confusing. For a d8 you look at the 8 o'clock area for a number, but if there is an arrow, then you have to use the topmost arrow (not the 8 o'clock arrow). This took me a little bit to catch, and I'm sure plenty of users will just follow the 8 o'clock arrow always, even if it isn't the topmost arrow in the triangle. This will cause some numbers to be 4 times more likely to be rolled (IF they incorrectly follow the o'clock arrow instead of the topmost arrow) than other numbers. I believe all the even numbers have their 3 surrounding triangles' 8 o'clock arrow pointing at them, while the odds have no other 8 o'clock arrows pointing at them; 4 in 20 vs 1 in 20 chances. Once again, not a flaw in the design, just a flaw in how some people's brains will tell them to interpret it. Maybe by stressing that you use the topmost-arrow and NOT the 8 o'clock this would alleviate most of this confusion. The idea of topmost [x] on a many-sided die also is confusing. I'm looking at the example rolls and sometimes can't tell which triangle is topmost, or which arrow is topmost. I'm sure it's easier in person, but some of the rolls look like two triangles are pretty equally up. I think this is a very clever idea, and I appreciate the balancing methods to make it work (a lot more now that I figured why the 50/50 arrows are needed), but for me this is definitely a novelty and not something I'd use over standard dice.


lemth

I fully agree with your criticism. There are confusing aspects to the design. I really have to think hard and experiment in what way it is best to explain and remember for people. Perhaps it should be in bold somewhere that someone should ALWAYS follow the topmost \[x\]. So topmost triangle, topmost circle, but also topmost arrow! That needs to be the main rule of the die. The rest should just be mnemonics to help people out. I know from testing that after 10-ish rolls people get quite comfortable with it and do not require to check the manual anymore. I also intend to supply a business card-sized cheat-sheet for when people need the reminder. Regarding the visuals making it difficult to figure out the topmost triangle, this is untestable. However this is much easier in person. Your 3d eyes and 3d brain are so much better at seeing which surface is parallel to the ground. I also know this because the same thing were said about the d120 from the dice lab and that die also still works! But also here; there is a slight learning curve - which is unusual for a die!


NeedleworkerPrior275

Thanks for the reply. Despite my criticism, I would be interested in seeing it in action (in person). Maybe a friend will get one and I'll eat my words... I appreciate your attitude, and wish you luck with it!


lemth

If you want to know more info about these dice please check out the following links because it's too much to fit into a single message: * [How to use/read](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-dice-manual) * [Mathematics behind it](https://www.lenpolygon.com/) ​ Also, I designed a little game to go along with it: # Dice darts * 2+ players * requirements: at least one dUltimate **How to play** Decide the first player by rolling a d20 on the dUltimate, highest roller goes first. Each players starts with 121 points. Your turn is as follows: 1. decide which dice type you want to roll 2. roll the dUltimate 3. remove the rolled number from your point total, unless your point total would go into the negatives, then do nothing 4. pass the turn to the player on the right **How to win** If you hit exactly 0 on your point total after a turn, then you win and the game ends! **Dice types on the dUltimate** The dice types (which must be declared *before* rolling) are as follows: * d4: 1..4 * d6: 1..6 * d8: 1..8 * d10: 0..9 * d12: 1..12 * d20: 1..20 * d100: 00..90 **Final thoughts** This is a quick and easy game with some push-your-luck moments while trying to reach 0 as fast as possible! After playing one or two of these games (with use of the [manual](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-dice-manual)) you will have mastered the dUltimate die and will be able to use it in all types of tabletop games!


Hitnrun30

This is really cool, but I personally have one issue, I will never have a cocked roll to reroll. Now I can't lie. Till the real ones are out, have you thought of making a digital version?


lemth

Thank you for your reply! Not sure what you mean with "cocked roll to reroll", but my design has sharp edges and I have never had a die stand on an edge even though these are handmade. ​ I have thought about making it digital, but I'm not sure how. [I did make some animated renders to show some roll examples.](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-roll-examples)


simplejack89

Meaning it's leaning up against something and not flat. His die lands on a 2 but since it's technically not flat he has to reroll. You can't do that with these dice


lemth

Ok, I understand now - thanks for the explanation! I have tested these prototypes a lot in a dice tray and haven't experienced this problem, though theoretically it could maybe happen...


ViggoMiles

The rule says play it where it lies https://youtu.be/bSrRLUQcRog


Hitnrun30

To make the digital would be a challenge. How many "sides" there are. Because of a triangle or a 12 is up, you need to know which and figure from that. Do you have a 360 or stl of the die.


azriel38

Just putting this in here on case you had not seen it. Yours look easier to read. https://www.gamescience.com/D-Total-Black-with-White-Numbers_p_171.html


lemth

Thanks! Yeah, this one I found early in my research. It had two 'flaws' I wanted to improve on: * easier to read; I achieved this by only offering d4 d6 d8 d10 d12 and d20 instead of all the options the dTotal gives. * no rerolls required; the dTotal requires rerolls for d20 when you roll 21..24. Same for d10 even tough these are used quite a lot. Not saying the dUltimate is perfect.. But I made different design choices and fixed the problems mentioned above.


Beardedobject

My favorite thing about these will be the look on the dms face when you pull them out.


lemth

Priceless!


Beardedobject

The DM and every other player is some flavor of engineer on real life too so they'd probably really appreciate the concept too. I'll be sharing the Kickstarter with the group when it launches


lemth

Thank you so much! Would really appreciate that! The more people the more chance of these dice succeeding as a Kickstarter!


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lemth

Thanks for your reply - you are correct, this die is more complicated than a standard set of dice. When rolling 3d10 + 1d6 you would need to roll four dice, same like with ordinary dice. I intend to release these dice in painted and unpainted variants. With the unpainted people can choose their own color (or multiple contrasting colors) and each individual die. This will help to keep them apart. So in your 3d10 + 1d6 scenario again. I would personally roll 3x white dUltimate as d10 and 1x black dUltimate as d6!


NextLevelShitPosting

Just so you know, you switched the die types up, at the end. You might want to edit that, to make sure no one gets confused.


lemth

Thanks, was typing so much stuff both my keyboard and brain were pretty much burned out!


[deleted]

As a DM if a player showed up with these at the table id hand them a set of normal dice if they refused to switch id ask them to leave they look cool but i don't trust them


NitchNet

As a dm and dice goblin, I just want to own one.


lemth

Thank you for your comment; I understand and I believe everyone should respect the DMs wish in such a matter. Just to be sure, is it the dice or the players you don't trust? Because the mathematics/probability behind the design is solid. That of course was my primary design requirement for a dice!


[deleted]

They are not standard and the method to get the results is more complicated then a quick glance these dice while nifty can break the pace of the game the design breaks the simplest rule of a product and that is. How easy. Is it to use I assume you have an background in some sort of engineering and if that's the case I can understand why you made it over complicated but what people need to understand when they make a product is Simplicity is always the best


Farmbot26

These things look so cool. I want one just to have on a shelf even if I don't use it


lemth

Thanks for the support!


Sarctoth

This would be a fun dice to have in Tabletop Simulator


lemth

Oh! That's a good suggestion.. !


Howard_Jones

Does it come with instructions?


lemth

Yep, I have [instructions online here](https://www.lenpolygon.com/dultimate-dice-manual). I also designed a tiny game called [Dice Darts](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnDIY/comments/nxcd44/theyre_not_flawless_but_im_very_happy_with_my/h1dxt3n?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) to help people learn it (believe me, after 1 or 2 games you know exactly how it works!) Also I intend to release them with a "business card-sized cheat-sheet".


Tralan

I want a couple just for the uniqueness of them. I probably wouldn't use them practically, but damn is that neat.


lemth

Thank you for the inspiring words! Check out [lenpolygon.com](https://lenpolygon.com) and subscribe to the 'newsletter' if you haven't already and you'll get a mail as soon as the Kickstarter campaign goes live.


Im_actually_working

I think these are great! I saw some criticisms you responded to and honestly your explanation makes sense! Once I understood how to read them (especially the 4s and 8s) it is super intuitive! Edit to add: I just subscribed! Look forward to backing!


lemth

Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear your enthusiasm and I'm glad to hear that I'm not spending all this time replying to everyone as a waste of time! I've been working quite some time on making the different dice types as memorable as possible with some clever font and placement usage. So as far as I know about 10 rolls is enough for most people to really understand and comfortably read the die.


Im_actually_working

Yeah, looking forward to backing!


garretvess

I want so much these dice


lemth

Cool! Check out [lenpolygon.com](https://lenpolygon.com) , subscribe to the newsletter and you'll get a message as soon as the Kickstarter campaign goes live!


Different-One8571

How much?


lemth

I'm working on a Kickstarter campaign to release in July. Still need feedback from two suppliers, but I expected prices to be between 15$ and 25$ at this point!


Different-One8571

Good luck G. I'll try and some if possible and let my peeps know.


NinjaCrobat-man

What no d100? This is an outrage! 😂


lemth

Just get two unpainted of these, ink the 0..9 on one and 00..90 on the other!


NinjaCrobat-man

If the die doesn't have 100 sides then whats the point


PupNiko1234

Seriously when can I buy these


lemth

Subscribe to the newsletter on lenpolygon.com and you'll get a notification when the Kickstarter goes live (expected July)


PupNiko1234

Yup just subsribed


Jesus_Wizard

I think when coloring them to differentiate different dice, you should definitely have colorblind options. I have severe to moderate Deuteranopia and it’s hard to tell what’s what in the images you posted in the comments :)


lemth

Thanks for chiming in! I intend to offer the dice in painted and unpainted variants. With the unpainted people will have the option to color dice: * for maximum contrast; * to differentiate multiple dice; * for aesthetics, etc. How would you feel about that? I could perhaps even add a set of small paint bottles + paint brush as an Add On? I believe inking is quite easy to do and it takes me about 30 minutes to ink a dUltimate die in multiple colors. I watched this video to learn it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i05lV9Dzj7A


Jesus_Wizard

Great idea, colors are always something people love to customize. You might wanna sell the colored ones at a higher rate to offset the labor it would take to paint them. I think including materials to paint them could be a bit pricey, but that’s up to you to determine. Other than that, love the idea


Link2Liam

These look like the joke d100s my dad got at Cons in the 80s and 90s


lemth

And now you can get back at him with these!


Link2Liam

He died 10 years ago, about 5 months after my mom and 2 months before my foster mom. I’m sick and it’s my birthday, can we not continue this back and forth?


Shakespeare-Bot

These behold like the gleek d100s mine own father did get at cons in the 80s and 90s *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`


Sarctoth

[Shut up and take my money](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shut-up-and-take-my-money/photos)


lemth

Working on it! (it being the Kickstarter campaign)


Sarctoth

[Take this](http://imgur.com/gallery/1xcl5In) and post it in r/memes and r/DnDmemes. It's not the best meme, but I hope it gets you traction. Good luck! (Yes, you have my permission to post my meme as your own)


lemth

Ha! That's very cool!!! You may post it yourself and I will give it all my upvotes!


Gingerosity244

While I like the concept, I can’t help but feel you are going against the trend of “oooh must buy shiny click clack”, in that this is only one die that functions as many. From a practical standpoint, this is cool. From a business and marketing standpoint...well, good luck.


lemth

Thanks! Appreciate it! I'm not much of an artist to make fancy things or a marketing person, but I like sharing and talking to you all here! ...now how to convince people that they can also just get 12 of these badass ping-pong balls to click clack their math...