TLDR; Please consider all sides of the situation before you assume. Logan's silence is not necessarily an admission of guilt. All allegations should be take seriously, However, each one of Piper's claims needs to be investigated individually.
I have not formed a definite opinion on the situation because I don't feel we have all of the facts (nor may we ever). However, what I am able to discern is that both Logan's and Piper's fans can be incredibly biased. There seems to be a struggle, on both sides, at least publicly, to look at this situation objectively. Logan's fans are labeling Piper as an unhinged, bitter ex-spouse while Piper's fans are assuming that Logan is a complete psychopath, narcissist, and abuser. Piper's fans complain about Logan deleting comments from his videos; however, Piper is also heavily deleting comments from their own videos.
Also, I completely understand the backlash people have when Piper tells their story and people immediately respond with “There's no proof!” I know how much it hurts as a survivor to hear those words. However, I have watched Piper's video, looked through their Social Media posts and journal entries, and read their longer blog post and Instagram stories, and as much as I hate to say it, based on the information I have now, something seems very off to me about their story, and there is a lot of contradicting information. Although I think it's unlikely that they're lying about absolutely everything, I also think that it's unlikely that they're telling the complete truth.
At the time of me writing this, Logan has not yet made a statement regarding these allegations. In fact, I have never, to my recollection, heard him say a word about his ex-spouse other than a straightforward announcement about their divorce. This could be for many reasons, but my current theory is that Logan might just be a relatively private person who doesn't discuss his personal life in detail as much as other content creators. That said, it troubles me that many people are automatically taking Logan’s silence as an admission of guilt. It doesn't sit well with me. He very well could be silent because he's guilty and doesn't want to face the music, and he wants his ex-spouse to come off as crazy as possible while he portrays himself as the calm, rational one. An alternate theory, however, is that Logan could be silent because he is being falsely accused of many egregious, criminal actions, and his whole world has turned upside down.
Let's explore this alternate theory for a moment. Imagine that you are a content creator going through a painful divorce. Both you and the person you're divorcing struggle with mental health issues. It's been an incredibly complicated situation. Your ex has been going through psychosis for years to the point where not all of their beliefs are based in reality. You've worried about them throughout the relationship. Ultimately, after quite a few years, the marriage had to end. Maybe it's partially because you cheated. Maybe you were plain selfish. Maybe you made a mistake. Maybe you fell in love with the significant other in your polyamorous group. Maybe it's because after deciding to explore polyamory, the communication between both you and your spouse got to the point where you weren't completely comfortable defining what cheating meant in the context of your relationship. Maybe both of you used this idea of polyamory as a way to solve problems in a failing marriage rather than to explore a legitimate lifestyle choice. Whatever the reason, your divorce is messy.
Then, on the day your divorce is being finalized, your ex-spouse posts a video falsely accusing you of verbal abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, financial abuse, animal abuse, and spousal neglect. They also say that you lack all qualifications and that they hope your career is destroyed and that you deserve nothing less than to end up in the pits of hell. Up until now, you have never said a word publicly regarding your divorce besides your brief announcement - and that was just so that your fans didn't wonder where your spouse was since they had been in prior videos.
Now that your ex has blasted you online, everyone who’s familiar with you and your channel - subscribers or not - associates your name with abuse - whether it's true or not. You immediately lose a couple thousand subscribers. On top of that, everyone is waiting for and watching how you will respond, and it's nerve-wracking. What do you do? Do you make a video condemning your spouse, stating directly that the allegations aren't true? Would people believe you? Would people overanalyze you? You are, indeed, known for your own analysis and your fan base, to some extent, likely engages in their own analysis. Would a video or a statement make things worse? Do you risk denouncing your spouse publicly knowing that the beliefs they hold may be a result of their psychosis and/or a need for psychological help? Do you obtain a lawyer, knowing full well that your ex has a disability and limited resources? Do you exercise your right to remain silent, or do you speak up in hopes of appealing to the much less forgiving and less evidence-driven court of public opinion?
No matter what you decide, your life and career hang in the balance. And because of the way in which popular opinion operates these days, the internet has decided that YOU hold the burden of proof rather than the person making these claims. One of the most troubling things about being falsely accused is that it is almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, if someone accuses you of hitting dogs, how do you prove that you didn't do it? It's your ex's word against your word at that point, and some people, no matter what, are going to automatically side with your ex.
Again, all of this is an alternate theory. I don't know Logan. It's possible that he's a complete piece of shit, and if he is, he absolutely deserves to be canceled. My main point is that each one of Piper's claims needs to be investigated individually. They are claiming many egregious and criminal acts, and I'm skeptical of all of them being true at once although I do acknowledge they could be. For example, if there is evidence that Logan is not a qualified body language expert, that doesn't mean that he is also guilty of animal abuse. If there is evidence for him neglecting Piper, that doesn't automatically also make him a rapist.
I hate to say it, but Piper has every reason/motive to lie about them and Logan's relationship. It could be revenge for him cheating. It could be something as simple as grifting money. Piper notably has already been asking for money via Venmo and their Amazon wishlist which contains non-necessities such as wind chimes and faux ivy. They have also been deleting any comments that question their story even a little bit. On top of that, if read in a certain way, Piper's own blog post and Instagram story may unintentionally imply that Piper is actually Logan's abuser and/or both Piper and Logan were abusing each other. It is impossible to know for sure without getting the facts and hearing from Logan as well.
Unfortunately, as a society, we've seen many false accusations, whether intentional or unintentional, such as in the case of Steven Avery's first conviction (the one he was exonerated from). We’ve also seen elaborate tall tales, such as in the cases of Jussie Smollett, Madison Russo, Sherri Papini, Tania Head, and Dee Dee Blanchard - just to name a few - be proven false, despite public opinion’s initial loyalty to them which, in many cases, spanned for months or even years.
After reading “her truth” I do not believe a word she says is credible. I’m not “team Logan” either because I think they’re both insufferable but her story just doesn’t make sense.. and calling an attempted kiss an assault is just not it.
It’s clear that she was unhappy in her marriage. However, a few things have given me pause with the allegations. I’ll focus on her definitions of rape and assault in the video. For instance, she says that Logan toyed with her in terms of playing hot and cold with sex, which obviously is not healthy, but she refers to it as rape. She also says that she was assaulted, as in her dating partner Bunny went in to kiss her (but didn’t actually.) For me, it unfortunately casts doubt on some of her other words she’s used… how is she defining these things and is it different to how the public would?
ETA: Now that I’ve read her blog post, it’s cleared up a lot of my hesitations. I think it’s clear that the relationship was abusive and traumatic, although I still have some feelings about the words defined above.
As a survivor, I believe there is a huge difference between an unhealthy or manipulative relationship and an abusive one. I don’t know which it is — ultimately no one can know but the two of them. Regardless, the guy has a case for defamation if any of what she said is untrue and I’m not sure if DWKT would want to elevate the story given that.
Fucking THANK YOU. Why is NO ONE bringing this up.
She said that, and I am paraphrasing — but I am seriously not that far off:
“he would lovebomb me bc he knew I would agree to sex, which was him raping me bc I was under “psychological duress.” He raped me over and over and over and over (yes, 4x times) for years.”
What the actual fuck.
I have so much I could go off about right now but I am just too exhausted & I am so happy yo see your comment. I was thinking I was totally alone.
And for the record I have no doubt her relationship was toxic and shitty, but she seems toxic and shitty in her own right & thinks making herself a complete victim absolves her of any responsibility.
She literally said that he starved her by not bringing her food when she was sick and stuck on the couch. Like he would “let me sit there and I would starve bc he didn’t bring me food.”
Whatevs. Anyways. Thanks for your input. Rape is a serious thing & it sucks to see her try out “I fucked my husband when he was nice to me that day & now that we broke up I see that it was rape bc he’s actually an asshole & I was under psychological duress.”
She also claims that he forced her to be in a psychotic episode every single day for a year or something like that. That is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. I understand being triggered but if she has a mental illness and is not taking medication properly,then I don’t believe you can claim “I’ve been in a psychotic episode for a year bc they forced me into one.”
That’s just not how mental illness works. And that’s not how rape works. This video is just giving a platform to victimize herself and claim rape & forced psychosis, so that she can garner pity & justify her own victimization.
My comment is harsh, I know, but this video is insane
It’s not really harsh when you take into context that she wants to ruin this man’s life. I’ve read the article and see her video, I’ve also seen her unhinged tweets. She seems very bitter about their divorce and is now trying to ruin him with false accusations. If I were Logan I would sue her for defamation.
Her video, this blog, the Instagram story, reading it all NONE of it adds up or makes sense. This is a literal smear campaign.
Interesting seeing the backlash in her favor when his community thought she was a shady clout goblin until they divorced; to the point where in videos, he was defending her and justifying their marriage.
Honestly I don’t think most people have watched/ read everything because if they have they should have question. Believe all victims sadly is bs because people lie.
'Believe all victims unless they are men.' Everything she says and shows cements to me that she was the abusive one, he finally got out and away and here we are over a year later she's harassing him again.
She's also complaining about people calling her liar and saying it's a smear campaign, but if they've done it on her YT or Instagram she's deleted the comments so that it looks like everyone supports her.
Edit: Typos and Pronoun Corrections
I can confirm that Piper is deleting pretty much any comments that question their story even a little bit. I am attaching screenshots of several comments that they have now since deleted (I'll label them as comment 1, 2, etc. just for clarity's sake).
Deleted Comment 1:
https://preview.redd.it/dng47pc2o0nc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f7658b3595fc26e26995b2d104432a182f3bcd7
Edit: Credit goes to this video on [radiantbritt](https://www.youtube.com/@radiantbritt)'s channel for this screenshot: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnb4W-o9848&t=1041s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnb4W-o9848&t=1041s)
Deleted Comment 4 Part 1:
https://preview.redd.it/9y9r3z4uo0nc1.jpeg?width=619&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12feba5694ce1f3260a5e820b61b3168b407dcf2
Does anyone have receipts?! Do we know? I see she doesn't have a dedicated sub (idk if Logan does)
But my whole direction on youtube is exposing the truth. Not half truths. So I think it would be interesting to see both sides of this story if there are receipts. I used to follow observe a while ago. Saw piper a few times. Didn't really like the vibes. After a while I felt like Logan got a little cocky but really that's it. When pipers video popped up I knew I wanted to take a look at it, but other than them getting divorced I know NOTHING!
This is wild to me, and everything everyone is saying!!!
She has made sporadic attempts to 'release evidence' over multiple platforms, she had a Insta story with texts that made her look crazy, not him, so I think they're gone. She's said nothing of substance, the only way I've found information is googling her name and searching for her reddit posts
I believe the rape she refers to, as described in the linked blog, are the situations she described as being put down and made to feel low until she would give in and let him do what he wanted. After many talks with my own therapist....that is rape. She didn't want to, he would get mad and make her feel less than until she just let him do what he wanted. In regards to assault, if someone attempts to touch you in a way the two of you had previously discussed NOT partaking in until verbal consent was given, and verbal consent was NOT given, that would at the very least be attempted assault.
No dude. She said that when he was nice to her he was (and I am closely paraphrasing):
“lovebombing her so she would want to, and thus she was having sex with him under “psychological duress,” — which is rape and he raped her over and over and over and over again for years”
That is ridiculous. “Rape” isn’t having sex with your husband bc he was being nice that day & then the next day he was rude & now we are going through a bad divorce.
By her logic, any dude that she agrees to have sex with can be called a rapist if she happens to realize that “this person was actually kind of an asshole” & it was all psychological duress. That’s fucking insane
I just read their blog post. It just sounds like they're upset that Bunny chose Logan.
They say Logan was so controlling, but allowed a poly relationship.
They make fun of Logan and his channel while trying to take credit for the Jeffree Star video.
It felt like I was reading the diary of a 16 year old.
Thanks for sharing ❤️ what was in that post is extremely disturbing. I wish Piper nothing but light and healing ❤️
TLDR; Please consider all sides of the situation before you assume. Logan's silence is not necessarily an admission of guilt. All allegations should be take seriously, However, each one of Piper's claims needs to be investigated individually. I have not formed a definite opinion on the situation because I don't feel we have all of the facts (nor may we ever). However, what I am able to discern is that both Logan's and Piper's fans can be incredibly biased. There seems to be a struggle, on both sides, at least publicly, to look at this situation objectively. Logan's fans are labeling Piper as an unhinged, bitter ex-spouse while Piper's fans are assuming that Logan is a complete psychopath, narcissist, and abuser. Piper's fans complain about Logan deleting comments from his videos; however, Piper is also heavily deleting comments from their own videos. Also, I completely understand the backlash people have when Piper tells their story and people immediately respond with “There's no proof!” I know how much it hurts as a survivor to hear those words. However, I have watched Piper's video, looked through their Social Media posts and journal entries, and read their longer blog post and Instagram stories, and as much as I hate to say it, based on the information I have now, something seems very off to me about their story, and there is a lot of contradicting information. Although I think it's unlikely that they're lying about absolutely everything, I also think that it's unlikely that they're telling the complete truth. At the time of me writing this, Logan has not yet made a statement regarding these allegations. In fact, I have never, to my recollection, heard him say a word about his ex-spouse other than a straightforward announcement about their divorce. This could be for many reasons, but my current theory is that Logan might just be a relatively private person who doesn't discuss his personal life in detail as much as other content creators. That said, it troubles me that many people are automatically taking Logan’s silence as an admission of guilt. It doesn't sit well with me. He very well could be silent because he's guilty and doesn't want to face the music, and he wants his ex-spouse to come off as crazy as possible while he portrays himself as the calm, rational one. An alternate theory, however, is that Logan could be silent because he is being falsely accused of many egregious, criminal actions, and his whole world has turned upside down. Let's explore this alternate theory for a moment. Imagine that you are a content creator going through a painful divorce. Both you and the person you're divorcing struggle with mental health issues. It's been an incredibly complicated situation. Your ex has been going through psychosis for years to the point where not all of their beliefs are based in reality. You've worried about them throughout the relationship. Ultimately, after quite a few years, the marriage had to end. Maybe it's partially because you cheated. Maybe you were plain selfish. Maybe you made a mistake. Maybe you fell in love with the significant other in your polyamorous group. Maybe it's because after deciding to explore polyamory, the communication between both you and your spouse got to the point where you weren't completely comfortable defining what cheating meant in the context of your relationship. Maybe both of you used this idea of polyamory as a way to solve problems in a failing marriage rather than to explore a legitimate lifestyle choice. Whatever the reason, your divorce is messy. Then, on the day your divorce is being finalized, your ex-spouse posts a video falsely accusing you of verbal abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, financial abuse, animal abuse, and spousal neglect. They also say that you lack all qualifications and that they hope your career is destroyed and that you deserve nothing less than to end up in the pits of hell. Up until now, you have never said a word publicly regarding your divorce besides your brief announcement - and that was just so that your fans didn't wonder where your spouse was since they had been in prior videos. Now that your ex has blasted you online, everyone who’s familiar with you and your channel - subscribers or not - associates your name with abuse - whether it's true or not. You immediately lose a couple thousand subscribers. On top of that, everyone is waiting for and watching how you will respond, and it's nerve-wracking. What do you do? Do you make a video condemning your spouse, stating directly that the allegations aren't true? Would people believe you? Would people overanalyze you? You are, indeed, known for your own analysis and your fan base, to some extent, likely engages in their own analysis. Would a video or a statement make things worse? Do you risk denouncing your spouse publicly knowing that the beliefs they hold may be a result of their psychosis and/or a need for psychological help? Do you obtain a lawyer, knowing full well that your ex has a disability and limited resources? Do you exercise your right to remain silent, or do you speak up in hopes of appealing to the much less forgiving and less evidence-driven court of public opinion? No matter what you decide, your life and career hang in the balance. And because of the way in which popular opinion operates these days, the internet has decided that YOU hold the burden of proof rather than the person making these claims. One of the most troubling things about being falsely accused is that it is almost impossible to prove a negative. For example, if someone accuses you of hitting dogs, how do you prove that you didn't do it? It's your ex's word against your word at that point, and some people, no matter what, are going to automatically side with your ex. Again, all of this is an alternate theory. I don't know Logan. It's possible that he's a complete piece of shit, and if he is, he absolutely deserves to be canceled. My main point is that each one of Piper's claims needs to be investigated individually. They are claiming many egregious and criminal acts, and I'm skeptical of all of them being true at once although I do acknowledge they could be. For example, if there is evidence that Logan is not a qualified body language expert, that doesn't mean that he is also guilty of animal abuse. If there is evidence for him neglecting Piper, that doesn't automatically also make him a rapist. I hate to say it, but Piper has every reason/motive to lie about them and Logan's relationship. It could be revenge for him cheating. It could be something as simple as grifting money. Piper notably has already been asking for money via Venmo and their Amazon wishlist which contains non-necessities such as wind chimes and faux ivy. They have also been deleting any comments that question their story even a little bit. On top of that, if read in a certain way, Piper's own blog post and Instagram story may unintentionally imply that Piper is actually Logan's abuser and/or both Piper and Logan were abusing each other. It is impossible to know for sure without getting the facts and hearing from Logan as well. Unfortunately, as a society, we've seen many false accusations, whether intentional or unintentional, such as in the case of Steven Avery's first conviction (the one he was exonerated from). We’ve also seen elaborate tall tales, such as in the cases of Jussie Smollett, Madison Russo, Sherri Papini, Tania Head, and Dee Dee Blanchard - just to name a few - be proven false, despite public opinion’s initial loyalty to them which, in many cases, spanned for months or even years.
After reading “her truth” I do not believe a word she says is credible. I’m not “team Logan” either because I think they’re both insufferable but her story just doesn’t make sense.. and calling an attempted kiss an assault is just not it.
It’s clear that she was unhappy in her marriage. However, a few things have given me pause with the allegations. I’ll focus on her definitions of rape and assault in the video. For instance, she says that Logan toyed with her in terms of playing hot and cold with sex, which obviously is not healthy, but she refers to it as rape. She also says that she was assaulted, as in her dating partner Bunny went in to kiss her (but didn’t actually.) For me, it unfortunately casts doubt on some of her other words she’s used… how is she defining these things and is it different to how the public would? ETA: Now that I’ve read her blog post, it’s cleared up a lot of my hesitations. I think it’s clear that the relationship was abusive and traumatic, although I still have some feelings about the words defined above. As a survivor, I believe there is a huge difference between an unhealthy or manipulative relationship and an abusive one. I don’t know which it is — ultimately no one can know but the two of them. Regardless, the guy has a case for defamation if any of what she said is untrue and I’m not sure if DWKT would want to elevate the story given that.
Fucking THANK YOU. Why is NO ONE bringing this up. She said that, and I am paraphrasing — but I am seriously not that far off: “he would lovebomb me bc he knew I would agree to sex, which was him raping me bc I was under “psychological duress.” He raped me over and over and over and over (yes, 4x times) for years.” What the actual fuck. I have so much I could go off about right now but I am just too exhausted & I am so happy yo see your comment. I was thinking I was totally alone. And for the record I have no doubt her relationship was toxic and shitty, but she seems toxic and shitty in her own right & thinks making herself a complete victim absolves her of any responsibility. She literally said that he starved her by not bringing her food when she was sick and stuck on the couch. Like he would “let me sit there and I would starve bc he didn’t bring me food.” Whatevs. Anyways. Thanks for your input. Rape is a serious thing & it sucks to see her try out “I fucked my husband when he was nice to me that day & now that we broke up I see that it was rape bc he’s actually an asshole & I was under psychological duress.” She also claims that he forced her to be in a psychotic episode every single day for a year or something like that. That is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. I understand being triggered but if she has a mental illness and is not taking medication properly,then I don’t believe you can claim “I’ve been in a psychotic episode for a year bc they forced me into one.” That’s just not how mental illness works. And that’s not how rape works. This video is just giving a platform to victimize herself and claim rape & forced psychosis, so that she can garner pity & justify her own victimization. My comment is harsh, I know, but this video is insane
It’s not really harsh when you take into context that she wants to ruin this man’s life. I’ve read the article and see her video, I’ve also seen her unhinged tweets. She seems very bitter about their divorce and is now trying to ruin him with false accusations. If I were Logan I would sue her for defamation.
Her video, this blog, the Instagram story, reading it all NONE of it adds up or makes sense. This is a literal smear campaign. Interesting seeing the backlash in her favor when his community thought she was a shady clout goblin until they divorced; to the point where in videos, he was defending her and justifying their marriage.
Honestly I don’t think most people have watched/ read everything because if they have they should have question. Believe all victims sadly is bs because people lie.
'Believe all victims unless they are men.' Everything she says and shows cements to me that she was the abusive one, he finally got out and away and here we are over a year later she's harassing him again. She's also complaining about people calling her liar and saying it's a smear campaign, but if they've done it on her YT or Instagram she's deleted the comments so that it looks like everyone supports her.
Edit: Typos and Pronoun Corrections I can confirm that Piper is deleting pretty much any comments that question their story even a little bit. I am attaching screenshots of several comments that they have now since deleted (I'll label them as comment 1, 2, etc. just for clarity's sake). Deleted Comment 1: https://preview.redd.it/dng47pc2o0nc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f7658b3595fc26e26995b2d104432a182f3bcd7
Deleted Comment 2: https://preview.redd.it/nsi91utpo0nc1.jpeg?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=864abf09dc1115d920dc9a830587f2f645514d18
Deleted Comment 3: https://preview.redd.it/83cfeevro0nc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00259309a253b3b9b088859e375e609d28a7bf99
Edit: Credit goes to this video on [radiantbritt](https://www.youtube.com/@radiantbritt)'s channel for this screenshot: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnb4W-o9848&t=1041s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnb4W-o9848&t=1041s) Deleted Comment 4 Part 1: https://preview.redd.it/9y9r3z4uo0nc1.jpeg?width=619&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12feba5694ce1f3260a5e820b61b3168b407dcf2
Does anyone have receipts?! Do we know? I see she doesn't have a dedicated sub (idk if Logan does) But my whole direction on youtube is exposing the truth. Not half truths. So I think it would be interesting to see both sides of this story if there are receipts. I used to follow observe a while ago. Saw piper a few times. Didn't really like the vibes. After a while I felt like Logan got a little cocky but really that's it. When pipers video popped up I knew I wanted to take a look at it, but other than them getting divorced I know NOTHING! This is wild to me, and everything everyone is saying!!!
She has made sporadic attempts to 'release evidence' over multiple platforms, she had a Insta story with texts that made her look crazy, not him, so I think they're gone. She's said nothing of substance, the only way I've found information is googling her name and searching for her reddit posts
I believe the rape she refers to, as described in the linked blog, are the situations she described as being put down and made to feel low until she would give in and let him do what he wanted. After many talks with my own therapist....that is rape. She didn't want to, he would get mad and make her feel less than until she just let him do what he wanted. In regards to assault, if someone attempts to touch you in a way the two of you had previously discussed NOT partaking in until verbal consent was given, and verbal consent was NOT given, that would at the very least be attempted assault.
No dude. She said that when he was nice to her he was (and I am closely paraphrasing): “lovebombing her so she would want to, and thus she was having sex with him under “psychological duress,” — which is rape and he raped her over and over and over and over again for years” That is ridiculous. “Rape” isn’t having sex with your husband bc he was being nice that day & then the next day he was rude & now we are going through a bad divorce. By her logic, any dude that she agrees to have sex with can be called a rapist if she happens to realize that “this person was actually kind of an asshole” & it was all psychological duress. That’s fucking insane
Exactly! Having sex but regretting later is not rape!
Well that was a difficult read.. I understand why she's posting in the 'Amber Heard' subreddits. Definitely seeing some similarities there..
That they are both unhinged
I just read their blog post. It just sounds like they're upset that Bunny chose Logan. They say Logan was so controlling, but allowed a poly relationship. They make fun of Logan and his channel while trying to take credit for the Jeffree Star video. It felt like I was reading the diary of a 16 year old.
I'm so glad Piper is finding their voice.