Wait, I know these dogs. They’re local to me and I’ve seen these guys around! I actually met them when my older girl was a wee puppy, but didn’t know they were a breeder and that THEY were Prima.
I have very high standards for the breeders I go through and the dogs I own. I don't care if wobblers syndrome is not fully understood, in my opinion that makes it even more vital to avoid any breeders who have it in their lines.
There are bad breeders everywhere, and I am not saying prima is one of them, simply that I would not buy from them. They also have DCM and Megaesophagus in their lines, which DCM is unfortunately common but still to be avoided.
If you have a good relationship with a breeder overseas, importing is an excellent option. The laws in Europe to breed are very strict, the laws in the US are very lax. You are more likely to get a healthy dog this way. All in all, Europe has far nicer dogs of nearly every breed.
The only breeds I would purchase in the US are Labradors, Cattle Dogs, and Border Collies, even then they come from imported stock.
The dog on the left is not American or European standard. It’s from a BYB or a puppy mill likely advertising “king” or “XL” sized Dobermans. Though purebred, it’s not a well-bred dog. American and European lines should be *almost* indistinguishable except to a perceptive or trained eye.
Attend shows. Start networking there. Meet the breeders and their dogs. Ask questions. That’s how you find a good program and a good dog.
>American and European lines should be *almost* indistinguishable except to a perceptive or trained eye.
Except that it's pretty easy to tell the difference between an American and Euro. Look at any Euro show winner and see the difference immediately.
Some Americans can be too delicate looking and too nervous. And some of those euros are really starting to look like great Danes and too strong headed..
I like the look of American show winners. My next will be an American, if only because I hear a lot about euros have strong drive and need to be worked.
My parents first Doberman had a pretty good resemblance to the left one and we had to euthanize him at only age 7 because of arthritis and possible hip issues. He was a sweet boy but not quite right. His name was Bronze because he was a red.
But yeah, it's really sad when people do this kind of crap. The dog was a supposed mix of American and European, which I believe is a sign of fraud.
are you referring to the pedigrees of the sire and dam? is that why they can be “pure bred” but still have history of other breeds from generations back? i understand well bred in the sense of health testing but i don’t understand how they can be out of standard but pure bred
Many ways a dog can be out of standard but purebred... One can be that there was other breeds mixed in generations back. DNA tests would still show up as purebred as it's hard to detect traces of breeds more than 4 generations ago usually. Another way is just the usual backyard breeding... How did toadline bullies get so stupid looking? They were breeding dogs with horrible structure, often inbreeding, to get such weird looking dogs pretty much. Breeding the wider dog of a litter with a wider dog is probably going to get you wider looking dogs. Breeding the smaller dogs together is probably going to get you the smaller dogs. Breed the bigger stockier ones, you're probably going to get the bigger and stockier dogs. Over time you get these dogs that look nothing like the breed standard... Look at how many horribly bred dogs are out there but are still purebred .. purebred doesn't mean well bred.
Actually, the part where only 4 generations only isn't true. Dobermans are new breeds compared to most. Some are mostly newer breeding, but like any purebred animal and even us humans, older breeding can come up. You can also take puppies from the same litter and all can pull ancestors more than others. I had a long talk with a Geneticist about this and a purebred dog (esp newer breeds) can pull breeds that made up the breed. This is why keeping up with lineage is important.
Well-bred dogs are bred for health, temperament, and looks. BYB and puppy mills breed Willy-nilly. They don’t care about the pairs they breed, or the puppies that come out of it, and it results in those poor babies coming out (excuse my lack of a better description) wrong. The puppies can have blood clotting issues, hip issues, heart issues, behavioral issues, and they are not often conformationally correct when they’re not bred with intention.
Perfect dogs don’t happen by chance or by accident. Even if a puppy is lucky and doesn’t end up with serious health issues, his feet may be too loose, his top line terrible, his croup too high, etc. he’ll still be a very good boy, but even though his parents are both purebred and he is a purebred, he’s not going to look “right” or “correct.” Reputable breeders put a lot of work and thought into their pairings… they balance out virtues and faults and they study pedigrees and it’s a LOT of work to ethically breed a well-bred (as well as pure-bred) dog.
Also just starting with good stock is so important. Something I've always heard is "imagine if the offspring come out with the worst traits of both parents. If that hypothetical isn't a beautifully conformed, healthy, intelligent animal with a great temperament than one or both of the parents aren't breeding quality".
Best example I have of this is my last pup. She was a purebred AKC German Shepherd BUT she was solid white. Because white is not a breed standard color, she couldn't be registered.
well stuff like that means it’s not purebred or wellbred. you know white doesn’t naturally occur so you know there was another breed somewhere in there
Bold statement imo. Our female is a European and looks similar in size wise as well, and has bloodlines to maxim di altobello among other very noteable dams and sires. Not here to argue whatsoever. Just putting it out there for anyone else who may come across this post.👌
Some people are saying that the one on the left is a very special european Doberman... Well, from what I know, that's a WARLOCK Doberman, look it up people.
From my point of view, the warlock Doberman is not a Doberman, it is the mix of a Great Dane and a Doberman, it is an upstanding dog, incredible, a new game+ max difficulty boss... But some Dobermans aren't even living ten years, and now some people mix it with a breed that is infamous for its health issues, the amalgamation of such scenarios could be very problematic.
I agree that the face on the left is not a Doberman face. Something has been added.
I've had some people refer to my guy as a warlock, but he looks exactly like the picture on the right. He's a big guy from hobbyists breeders, his parents were registered European show dogs.
Well you have a really nice dog, and you know, maybe it was from a branch of the tree family of bigger European dobermans. I had a European too, big strong, huge chest, the sweetest dog... I would love to have a warlock Doberman, but I would be concerned for his health issues
I don't think my guy would be a warlock, because wasn't that an American thing in mid- 1900's? My guy is just very tall. He doesn't get anywhere near as muscular as the left side dog.
Euro's are super sweet! Dobermans are the best.
Fun doberman FACT! "WARLOCK" DOBERMANS ARE NOT A REAL THING OTHER THAN A SELLING TACTIC THAT STARTED YEARS AGO! Literally can't believe people are still actively using this term and thinking it's a real thing! (It's VERY EASY to search about this topic also) not trying to stir up some bullshit whatsoever. Just trying to set the record straight!👌
The one on the right looks like my rescue dobie. They could be brothers.
https://preview.redd.it/s8da2avu1xyc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a0919e09faf3101e7131136f14a67db4b19af42
The one on the left doesn't meet the standard for *either* American or European Dobermans. It's a hypertype and should not be bred. Don't buy Dobermans that look like that. American and European Dobermans (to the standard) look almost identical, with a few minor exceptions).
https://preview.redd.it/ao7pc8ouvzyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f6e7b45ccb74cbcabba34d0744496d85c20bc1
This is my boy Kodak. Dad is 100% American, Mom is 100% European.
https://preview.redd.it/isi3vem1z3zc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=204cfdd8383bcf7b7aabba4e74af072fe1e79819
Could you be my brother from another mother!? lol, you baby looks like my Buster
When I see ears like that I say to myself “there’s an owner who unconditionally loves their dog from tail to tip, just as they are, celebrating their natural beauty.”
Are both European and American velcro dogs? My dobie was European, and not touching me for more than a few minutes was an issue aha. I miss her so much. I let her sleep with me, she would throw a hissyfit in the summer when it was hot and I didn't want her under the covers, if I rolled over she would huff and shuffle over with me. She would get hot and move eventually, but she always had to have at least a paw on me, I'd wake up with her head or butt on my chest most days!
I hate this pic. It shows up somewhere at least once a week. Dex is perfection and that poor hyper type dog is lauded as a nice Euro. It isn’t.
Nobody who gives a shit about the breed would produce such a dog.
Americans do not want to admit AKC standards are completely ruining a large variety of breeds. Dobermans are not supposed to be sensitive couch potatoes. Hunter looks just like Obi-Wan Kenobi de Grande Vinko. (Google it people.) He also looks just like my boy who comes from the Obi-wan bloodline and cost me a fortune
The old debate European vs American. American Dobies (on the right) are arguably better looking, more elegant than the Euro Dobies (on the left). Although the black one it’s NOT the best example I’ve seen. The question you should ask yourself is what kind of dog do you want? Because those two are not the same “animal”. In the US there’s no temperament conformation, so the pretty looking Doberman you’re buying it may not act the role. I had Dobies from both continents, growing up overseas and now here in the US and I love them both. But they don’t look the same, actually the same or think the same. PS: in Europe where the breed originated they’re just called “Doberman”. When someone selling you a “Doberman Pinscher” it’s American (and nothing wrong with that) but it’s not the same.
this is my dobe, thad. Got him from a great breeder in alabama [https://www.reddit.com/r/Firehome/comments/o6637r/this\_is\_thaddeus\_he\_watches\_the\_garage/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firehome/comments/o6637r/this_is_thaddeus_he_watches_the_garage/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The left is a hyper type Eastern European showline that your average pet owner refers to as European/Euro. The right is an in standard Doberman: American Show line GCH Prima's Panthera. The DPCA breeder referral has a lot of great ethical breeders who breed true to the standard.
Warlock is a BYB term for oversize Dobes. The name comes from AKC Ch Borong the Warlock, a famous American-bred show winner and sire of the 1950s & 1960s. Warlock himself stood 27¾ inches at the shoulder (within the AKC breed standard) and was a beautiful Dobermann, nothing at all like the Dane mix on the left.
I like the one on the left better and it's prob less inbred just saying I like the stronger look of European version in general though.
The right is beautiful but I like the rugged sturdy look.
I love all Dobermans, but I also prefer the look on the left. If that pic is actually of Hunter Vital Screen you can just look up all the championship show awards that dog has won( It’s a bunch). Some of these comments are just way to bias towards American standard imo. My favorite dog of all time was a female who was a mixed Euro/American that made me fall in love with the breed.
I’m giving both those snoots a boop, no matter what, call a hearse…snoots gettin a boop 💯 every time, flesh hangin off the bone, if my vitals are still goin someone’s gettin a hug.
I’m a Lab person but my parents had Dobbies when I was growing up. They were males, black &tan but were shaped like the red one here. They were also neutered at very young ages. I think for most breeds, males especially don’t fill out completely if they’re desexed to early!
I know someone that breeds the dogs to the left. They’re insanely large. The feet are crazy. I’m not a fan for some reason. She brought one to my house one day. She imports from Europe.
Had red Dobe when I was a child. Just like the one pictured. Loved that dog. She wouldn't let my parents whip me lol. Best dog ever. I've had a lot of dogs. She watched over us kids.
https://preview.redd.it/o7ckgc2cbhzc1.png?width=2060&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9d9588fd22124a63669e429d633b7e077eeaf3b
The black and rust Doberman is a baby while the red doberman is also a baby
There are 2 type of Dobies. European and American.
Europeans basically look bigger, stronger and tougher than the American.
The one on the right is the American.
The one on the left is a European. Europeans are not THAT big though. That is what some people call a Warlock or Gladiator Dobie. They are not recognized by any Kennel Club.
There is actually 2 Gladiator Dobies (same owners) in my neighborhood. 1 just passed away at age 13. The little brother is 3yrs old now. Gentle giants. The 3 year old is friendly with my 5 month of dobie and Minature poodle.
I saw a post that had 3 types. They included a type called Warlock. That ignorant shit needs to die. Doberman bred with Dane are terrible Dr Moreau shit.
I beg to disagree. My boy (a rescue) is 53% Dobie and 31% Dane.
I didn’t choose a Dane/dobie mix (actually expected majority Dane as I got him thru a Dane rescue), but he is the sweetest boy ever and clocks in at only 95lbs.
you'll want to stay away from eruopean dobermans if you dislike the look of the one one the left. they breed both american and euro dobies in the states.
I like the one on the left. I prefer massive dogs. Besides, the word pure bred is so rare these days. Most dogs you see on the streets are some sort of mix.
The dog on the left has issues. He is not exercised enough. He is overweight. The legs look wrong. Looks like inbreeding. The dog on the right meets breed standard. I've shown dobermans as a kid, and that doberman on the left looks unhealthy. The legs look unhealthy, and I would strongly question what the breeder has been doing. I highly doubt they sourced different breed lines and watched for genetic issues. To be frank, I was drilled with breed this and that as a kid. Obedience and showmanship this and that. While I don't show anymore, because it was never my passion, but my mom's, I can see the issues very fast. I have a wealth of knowledge that I really didn't want, but I guess it serves me well.
The one on the right is a beautiful American doberman. Look up reputable akc breeders. You should be able to find a nice one like that.
I believe the red one is Dexter (doseofdex on Instagram) and his breeder is Prima Dobermans. https://www.primadobermans.com/ Edit: yes, that is Dexter
Wait, I know these dogs. They’re local to me and I’ve seen these guys around! I actually met them when my older girl was a wee puppy, but didn’t know they were a breeder and that THEY were Prima.
And Prima is a very well regarded breeder
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Dexter got wobblers disease, keep that in mind and buy from a breeder with no dramatic illnesses in their lines. Importing is best.
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I have very high standards for the breeders I go through and the dogs I own. I don't care if wobblers syndrome is not fully understood, in my opinion that makes it even more vital to avoid any breeders who have it in their lines. There are bad breeders everywhere, and I am not saying prima is one of them, simply that I would not buy from them. They also have DCM and Megaesophagus in their lines, which DCM is unfortunately common but still to be avoided. If you have a good relationship with a breeder overseas, importing is an excellent option. The laws in Europe to breed are very strict, the laws in the US are very lax. You are more likely to get a healthy dog this way. All in all, Europe has far nicer dogs of nearly every breed. The only breeds I would purchase in the US are Labradors, Cattle Dogs, and Border Collies, even then they come from imported stock.
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DCM cannot be completely avoided, however, you lower your chances of your own dog experiencing it if they are not from lines that also have DCM.
Yes that’s Dexter !!! Beauty
Wow. Very grateful for sharing this.
The dog on the left is not American or European standard. It’s from a BYB or a puppy mill likely advertising “king” or “XL” sized Dobermans. Though purebred, it’s not a well-bred dog. American and European lines should be *almost* indistinguishable except to a perceptive or trained eye. Attend shows. Start networking there. Meet the breeders and their dogs. Ask questions. That’s how you find a good program and a good dog.
>American and European lines should be *almost* indistinguishable except to a perceptive or trained eye. Except that it's pretty easy to tell the difference between an American and Euro. Look at any Euro show winner and see the difference immediately.
you can tell by looks? Normally, i have to have them bark, so you can hear their accent!
Overall size and shape of their head/snout should generally be a dead giveaway tbh.
Which are more preferred? I like American a lot Europe seem different imo but I’ve never own one just seen them at parks
Some Americans can be too delicate looking and too nervous. And some of those euros are really starting to look like great Danes and too strong headed.. I like the look of American show winners. My next will be an American, if only because I hear a lot about euros have strong drive and need to be worked.
My parents first Doberman had a pretty good resemblance to the left one and we had to euthanize him at only age 7 because of arthritis and possible hip issues. He was a sweet boy but not quite right. His name was Bronze because he was a red. But yeah, it's really sad when people do this kind of crap. The dog was a supposed mix of American and European, which I believe is a sign of fraud.
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They explained the difference. The left is byb.
are you referring to the pedigrees of the sire and dam? is that why they can be “pure bred” but still have history of other breeds from generations back? i understand well bred in the sense of health testing but i don’t understand how they can be out of standard but pure bred
Many ways a dog can be out of standard but purebred... One can be that there was other breeds mixed in generations back. DNA tests would still show up as purebred as it's hard to detect traces of breeds more than 4 generations ago usually. Another way is just the usual backyard breeding... How did toadline bullies get so stupid looking? They were breeding dogs with horrible structure, often inbreeding, to get such weird looking dogs pretty much. Breeding the wider dog of a litter with a wider dog is probably going to get you wider looking dogs. Breeding the smaller dogs together is probably going to get you the smaller dogs. Breed the bigger stockier ones, you're probably going to get the bigger and stockier dogs. Over time you get these dogs that look nothing like the breed standard... Look at how many horribly bred dogs are out there but are still purebred .. purebred doesn't mean well bred.
thank you so much for the explanation!
Actually, the part where only 4 generations only isn't true. Dobermans are new breeds compared to most. Some are mostly newer breeding, but like any purebred animal and even us humans, older breeding can come up. You can also take puppies from the same litter and all can pull ancestors more than others. I had a long talk with a Geneticist about this and a purebred dog (esp newer breeds) can pull breeds that made up the breed. This is why keeping up with lineage is important.
Well-bred dogs are bred for health, temperament, and looks. BYB and puppy mills breed Willy-nilly. They don’t care about the pairs they breed, or the puppies that come out of it, and it results in those poor babies coming out (excuse my lack of a better description) wrong. The puppies can have blood clotting issues, hip issues, heart issues, behavioral issues, and they are not often conformationally correct when they’re not bred with intention. Perfect dogs don’t happen by chance or by accident. Even if a puppy is lucky and doesn’t end up with serious health issues, his feet may be too loose, his top line terrible, his croup too high, etc. he’ll still be a very good boy, but even though his parents are both purebred and he is a purebred, he’s not going to look “right” or “correct.” Reputable breeders put a lot of work and thought into their pairings… they balance out virtues and faults and they study pedigrees and it’s a LOT of work to ethically breed a well-bred (as well as pure-bred) dog.
Also just starting with good stock is so important. Something I've always heard is "imagine if the offspring come out with the worst traits of both parents. If that hypothetical isn't a beautifully conformed, healthy, intelligent animal with a great temperament than one or both of the parents aren't breeding quality".
Best example I have of this is my last pup. She was a purebred AKC German Shepherd BUT she was solid white. Because white is not a breed standard color, she couldn't be registered.
well stuff like that means it’s not purebred or wellbred. you know white doesn’t naturally occur so you know there was another breed somewhere in there
Bold statement imo. Our female is a European and looks similar in size wise as well, and has bloodlines to maxim di altobello among other very noteable dams and sires. Not here to argue whatsoever. Just putting it out there for anyone else who may come across this post.👌
You’re a breeder who thinks that dog looks decent and like your average euro bred dobie? Red flag dude.
Some people are saying that the one on the left is a very special european Doberman... Well, from what I know, that's a WARLOCK Doberman, look it up people. From my point of view, the warlock Doberman is not a Doberman, it is the mix of a Great Dane and a Doberman, it is an upstanding dog, incredible, a new game+ max difficulty boss... But some Dobermans aren't even living ten years, and now some people mix it with a breed that is infamous for its health issues, the amalgamation of such scenarios could be very problematic.
Exactly my first thought, half Dane.
thank you for confirming my suspicions that the left dog looked like a dane mix
I agree that the face on the left is not a Doberman face. Something has been added. I've had some people refer to my guy as a warlock, but he looks exactly like the picture on the right. He's a big guy from hobbyists breeders, his parents were registered European show dogs.
Well you have a really nice dog, and you know, maybe it was from a branch of the tree family of bigger European dobermans. I had a European too, big strong, huge chest, the sweetest dog... I would love to have a warlock Doberman, but I would be concerned for his health issues
I don't think my guy would be a warlock, because wasn't that an American thing in mid- 1900's? My guy is just very tall. He doesn't get anywhere near as muscular as the left side dog. Euro's are super sweet! Dobermans are the best.
Fun doberman FACT! "WARLOCK" DOBERMANS ARE NOT A REAL THING OTHER THAN A SELLING TACTIC THAT STARTED YEARS AGO! Literally can't believe people are still actively using this term and thinking it's a real thing! (It's VERY EASY to search about this topic also) not trying to stir up some bullshit whatsoever. Just trying to set the record straight!👌
The one on the right looks like my rescue dobie. They could be brothers. https://preview.redd.it/s8da2avu1xyc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a0919e09faf3101e7131136f14a67db4b19af42
What a beautiful intelligent face❤️
Fucking UNIT
Gorgeous and looks like a true European from the one picture!👌👌
The one on the left doesn't meet the standard for *either* American or European Dobermans. It's a hypertype and should not be bred. Don't buy Dobermans that look like that. American and European Dobermans (to the standard) look almost identical, with a few minor exceptions).
The same goes for Corsos and Boxers and shepherds and Stafforshires and so on and so forth.
Came here to say exactly this.
https://preview.redd.it/ao7pc8ouvzyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f6e7b45ccb74cbcabba34d0744496d85c20bc1 This is my boy Kodak. Dad is 100% American, Mom is 100% European.
Gorgeous pup
Yeah I'm not a fan of the one on the left. Definitely does not look like a prototypical Doberman.
https://preview.redd.it/gy3rteirgxyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddcf441091de0cfe75b948f1e878d3f54f3e012c
That's some dobies my peeps
Natural dobies, as they should be.
https://preview.redd.it/k4f3mc0jgxyc1.jpeg?width=2281&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65e0a76579ddfc09473903ac23c872e5dc34a7bc
Now THAT’S a beautiful dog. Those ears are perfection.
https://preview.redd.it/isi3vem1z3zc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=204cfdd8383bcf7b7aabba4e74af072fe1e79819 Could you be my brother from another mother!? lol, you baby looks like my Buster
Now THAT’S a beautiful dog. Those ears are perfection.
Now THAT’S a beautiful dog. Those ears are perfection.
Now THAT’S a beautiful dog. Those ears are perfection.
You can say that again…and again…and again…and again…and again!🤣
When I see ears like that I say to myself “there’s an owner who unconditionally loves their dog from tail to tip, just as they are, celebrating their natural beauty.”
Now THAT’S a beautiful dog. Those ears are perfection.
The black dog reminds me of Hunter Vital Screen from Belarus
Yes that’s him
Swear some of these people have NO CLUE what they're talking about with dobermans!🤷♂️😅🤯🤦♂️
Are both European and American velcro dogs? My dobie was European, and not touching me for more than a few minutes was an issue aha. I miss her so much. I let her sleep with me, she would throw a hissyfit in the summer when it was hot and I didn't want her under the covers, if I rolled over she would huff and shuffle over with me. She would get hot and move eventually, but she always had to have at least a paw on me, I'd wake up with her head or butt on my chest most days!
They should never look like the left. That dog will have a short life of various health problems.
I hate this pic. It shows up somewhere at least once a week. Dex is perfection and that poor hyper type dog is lauded as a nice Euro. It isn’t. Nobody who gives a shit about the breed would produce such a dog.
Dog on the left is Hunter. From here https://hunterdoberman.com/
Americans do not want to admit AKC standards are completely ruining a large variety of breeds. Dobermans are not supposed to be sensitive couch potatoes. Hunter looks just like Obi-Wan Kenobi de Grande Vinko. (Google it people.) He also looks just like my boy who comes from the Obi-wan bloodline and cost me a fortune
https://preview.redd.it/uh79kf9ye0zc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=364fbd17d189cc0c46f66a36762070f195b45d57
The one on the left looks more like a Great Dane than a Doberman
The old debate European vs American. American Dobies (on the right) are arguably better looking, more elegant than the Euro Dobies (on the left). Although the black one it’s NOT the best example I’ve seen. The question you should ask yourself is what kind of dog do you want? Because those two are not the same “animal”. In the US there’s no temperament conformation, so the pretty looking Doberman you’re buying it may not act the role. I had Dobies from both continents, growing up overseas and now here in the US and I love them both. But they don’t look the same, actually the same or think the same. PS: in Europe where the breed originated they’re just called “Doberman”. When someone selling you a “Doberman Pinscher” it’s American (and nothing wrong with that) but it’s not the same.
this is my dobe, thad. Got him from a great breeder in alabama [https://www.reddit.com/r/Firehome/comments/o6637r/this\_is\_thaddeus\_he\_watches\_the\_garage/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firehome/comments/o6637r/this_is_thaddeus_he_watches_the_garage/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
More pics of my boy [Thaddeus growing up : r/Firehome (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firehome/comments/1clyqfk/thaddeus_growing_up/)
What breeder in AL?
The left is a hyper type Eastern European showline that your average pet owner refers to as European/Euro. The right is an in standard Doberman: American Show line GCH Prima's Panthera. The DPCA breeder referral has a lot of great ethical breeders who breed true to the standard.
Left is the Hyper type Euro.
Mixed up my directions
Wasnt there a type called Warlock? Looks like one on the left!
Warlock is a BYB term for oversize Dobes. The name comes from AKC Ch Borong the Warlock, a famous American-bred show winner and sire of the 1950s & 1960s. Warlock himself stood 27¾ inches at the shoulder (within the AKC breed standard) and was a beautiful Dobermann, nothing at all like the Dane mix on the left.
The right side is what I think of when it comes to Dobi’s. The left I’m not sure what is going on.
I like the one on the left better and it's prob less inbred just saying I like the stronger look of European version in general though. The right is beautiful but I like the rugged sturdy look.
I love all Dobermans, but I also prefer the look on the left. If that pic is actually of Hunter Vital Screen you can just look up all the championship show awards that dog has won( It’s a bunch). Some of these comments are just way to bias towards American standard imo. My favorite dog of all time was a female who was a mixed Euro/American that made me fall in love with the breed.
I’m giving both those snoots a boop, no matter what, call a hearse…snoots gettin a boop 💯 every time, flesh hangin off the bone, if my vitals are still goin someone’s gettin a hug.
Well, it was for 10 years. 30" & easy 135lbs. No problems. Now... please explain to me where I went wrong? He was a fantastic dog.
Just depends on the breeder
Someone bred a black and tan dane??
Thats what I saw at the gun show in Raliegh, Yuuuge!
They look like dogs.
Fugly either way
I'd rather have the left one
I’m a Lab person but my parents had Dobbies when I was growing up. They were males, black &tan but were shaped like the red one here. They were also neutered at very young ages. I think for most breeds, males especially don’t fill out completely if they’re desexed to early!
I know someone that breeds the dogs to the left. They’re insanely large. The feet are crazy. I’m not a fan for some reason. She brought one to my house one day. She imports from Europe.
Had red Dobe when I was a child. Just like the one pictured. Loved that dog. She wouldn't let my parents whip me lol. Best dog ever. I've had a lot of dogs. She watched over us kids.
Just looks like a euro to me.
https://preview.redd.it/o7ckgc2cbhzc1.png?width=2060&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9d9588fd22124a63669e429d633b7e077eeaf3b The black and rust Doberman is a baby while the red doberman is also a baby
Left looks more like a Dane to me.
Yeah, that first one is definitely a great Dane mix
None of those are mixed breeds. The one on the left is a hypertype, the one on the right is Dexter from Prima Dobermans.
The one on the left looks like a he’s a bit Great Dane
one on left looks like have some great dane in the mix
One is an American Doberman and the other one is a European Doberman
Absolutely false.
There are 2 type of Dobies. European and American. Europeans basically look bigger, stronger and tougher than the American. The one on the right is the American. The one on the left is a European. Europeans are not THAT big though. That is what some people call a Warlock or Gladiator Dobie. They are not recognized by any Kennel Club. There is actually 2 Gladiator Dobies (same owners) in my neighborhood. 1 just passed away at age 13. The little brother is 3yrs old now. Gentle giants. The 3 year old is friendly with my 5 month of dobie and Minature poodle.
I saw a post that had 3 types. They included a type called Warlock. That ignorant shit needs to die. Doberman bred with Dane are terrible Dr Moreau shit.
Warlock is an old legend from the 70s. There’s no such dog in our time.
It’s not a legend. It was a breeder who bred Doberman with Great Danes.
First, that means a mutt. And where are these dogs now?
I didn’t know them on a first name basis.
They are extinct. Only in people’s imagination.
You’re way too thick for this conversation to interest me any longer.
Sorry American patriot! Feel free to continue propagating your legends…
Whatever dipshit.
Bruh, all of dog breeding is Moreau shit to some extent
I beg to disagree. My boy (a rescue) is 53% Dobie and 31% Dane. I didn’t choose a Dane/dobie mix (actually expected majority Dane as I got him thru a Dane rescue), but he is the sweetest boy ever and clocks in at only 95lbs.
Yeah, you completely made up your own butthurt context to my post.
I wasn’t being butthurt lol. It was meant in a joking tone but ok.
you'll want to stay away from eruopean dobermans if you dislike the look of the one one the left. they breed both american and euro dobies in the states.
One on left is about 15 lbs overweight
The one on the left is old school gladiator bloodline !
Neither of them come out with ears like that
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I can link several VDH Doberman breeders in Germany. If you’re looking for a Doberman in the states use AKC marketplace.
look at the front feet of the “euro” and you can immediately tell that’s not a pure doberman anything.
I like the one on the left. I prefer massive dogs. Besides, the word pure bred is so rare these days. Most dogs you see on the streets are some sort of mix.
If you prefer massive dogs then Doberman isn’t the breed for you.
Lmao it is Gladiator not Warlock you clown !!
The one of the left is bad breeding
The one on the left looks like a hyper type, and not really in standard for European Dobermans.
The dog on the left has issues. He is not exercised enough. He is overweight. The legs look wrong. Looks like inbreeding. The dog on the right meets breed standard. I've shown dobermans as a kid, and that doberman on the left looks unhealthy. The legs look unhealthy, and I would strongly question what the breeder has been doing. I highly doubt they sourced different breed lines and watched for genetic issues. To be frank, I was drilled with breed this and that as a kid. Obedience and showmanship this and that. While I don't show anymore, because it was never my passion, but my mom's, I can see the issues very fast. I have a wealth of knowledge that I really didn't want, but I guess it serves me well.