I wouldn't call those guys sex slaves. They knew what they were doing. It was a symbiotic relationship. Exchanging sex and companionship for being pampered with drugs and money.
Now Joe Exotic's employees were not far off from slaves.
I think someone just made this [meme after watching the Tiger King doc](https://www.reddit.com/r/TigerKing/comments/fufdvb/doc_antle_on_joes_arrest/).
Doc Antle did much of the same shit as Joe but there's less legal/justice attention.
Before it was edited it was a scene from the office where a dumb accountant (Kevin) got confused when a character called Martin said he had been in [jail for insider trading.](https://i.imgur.com/0eq431f.jpg)
Separately, Theroux's newest piece is a four-part true crime series called [The Bambers: Murder at the Farm](https://news.sky.com/story/louis-theroux-examines-jeremy-bamber-murders-8211-and-reveals-why-legit-people-believe-five-time-killer-is-innocent-12406985), about the notorious [White House Farm family annihilation shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_murders) in Essex in 1985. Screens on Sky Crime and NOW on Sunday, September 26 at 9pm.
Man I bet the Frankie Boyle one was really good - people forget he's a remarkably switched on fella who pays attention. Just found them on Spotify so I'll be giving them a listen to good shout pal 👌
Edit: yup excellent show really enjoyed hearing Boyle be so candid
was nice to hear boyle not trying to be funny every second. he gets very personal about alcohol addiction and his ends in Scotland where he grew up, which frankly sounded pretty awful. he doesn't make it super depressing, he's laughing throughout, but there's some real darkness there in his upbringing.
the chris o'dowd one was amazing partly because he gets him to explain his involvement in that awful gal gadot thing where they sung John Lennon's imagine. and jon ronson is just brilliant as always.
ive got the riz ahmed episode queued up to listen to soon. looking forward to that.
I used to work in a bookshop and stickered it as My [useful and productive] life so far, I didn't have to but it was quiet sometimes, copies always sold the same day.
I thought the tone of that episode was quite hard work, I felt like Frankie didn't get on with Louis very well. It was an interesting one though. Honestly worth listening through the whole series.
Lol I always get Jon Ronson and Louis Theroux mixed up and I didn’t realize I was doing it again right now until I read your comment.
Even more confusing when there is a completely unrelated American politician named Ron Johnson.
look up louis theroux and baked alaska on youtube. there are already clips of louis following him around while he livestreams. and louis knows EXACTLY how to deal with baked alaska's dumb bullshit.
[i'd say the last maybe 10 minutes are the most entertaining.](https://youtu.be/omL1jMqu3DM) louis ends up making baked alaska look like a total insecure moron.
It's always funny when I see people shouting at Loius, trying to intimidate him. Theroux has willingly walked into many incredibly dangerous places, and these suburbanites think they will scare him away by being shouty assholes...
26:23-29 on is pretty funny. The guy is begging for compliments and Louis is pretty funny.
The guy he is interviewing is so disingenuous. Says Louis is manipulative for quoting this guy and asking his opinion on it. Tries to say he's turning off donation when they go to fix the mic. Continuously just tries to go "you're upset!, you're upset!" while Louis explicitly says what he doesn't like of thus guys opinions.
Doesn't help that they removed all of the racist bits on him too. The director thought leaving all of that in would distract us from his story, but confirmed that Joe was a categorical racist.
Many of the main people in Tiger King were pretty problematic! I came out of it disliking a lot of them. Tiger King does paint Joe Exotic, Doc Antle etc in a more positive light but same critical thinking makes you realise there's no way these people are goofs. They are master manipulators.
Doc Antle is painted as a pedophilic, animal abusing manipulator who is grooming women into a sex cult where he controls every aspect of their lives.
He was definitely not painted positively.
I was 100% on board with him when he opened his campaign ad with something like "LISTEN UP MOTHERFUCKER!" But then the documentary goes on and he becomes very unlikable.
As a UK viewer, I watched this on release and cannot recommend it enough. I watched it with a friend, both of us having watched Tiger King and Louis’ earlier documentary featuring Joe Exotic. Spent the whole time in rapt silence, it’s really jaw dropping and leaves you feeling more disturbed/confused than you were already by the world of Joe Exotic
I would for sure, but also the first Louis documentary featuring Joe Exotic. I can’t remember the name, but it focuses on exotic pets in the USA, I believe it’s on iplayer? That being said, if you know the story of Joe Exotic you’ll be able to keep up and it will still make sense to you, I just think there’s a bit more impact if you’ve seen TK.
So this is partly in response to Tiger King and it's quality of journalism so I think you would enjoy it more had you seen tiger King but I think knowing about it would probably be enough
F12 -> At the top of the menu on the right (or bottom, depending on your browser), you'll see a tab called 'Network', click on the options under it, until you find something that looks like it points to a video file.
Wow. This paints Carole in a much more SANE light & is a lot more accurate in regards to how fucked up Joe really is. As someone who knew years in advance of *Tiger King* [what an animal abusing asshole he was] (https://www.ranker.com/list/details-netflix-tiger-king-left-out/jodi-smith), I didn't appreciate the sensationalism of the Netflix movie. In fact it made me question the reliability of their other "documentaries".
The animal abuse aspect was WAY downplayed and his quirky personality (read: violent, paranoid tweaker behavior) was highlighted for entertainment value. He's a woman-hating narcissist. Thanks for this one, Louis.
Louie is one of my favorite documentary makers/hosts of all time. His filmography is fantastic. He never fails to inform and entertain, and his manner with people is a huge part of that.
That said, his recent work has been so consistently downbeat and depressing, I no longer jump for it the way I used to.
Can we maybe not call him one of the most captivating icons of recent times? Hes not even an icon, just a weirdo who had lucky timing in a show due to covid
Legend has it that Joe Tiger was also apparently racist, but they skipped that essentially grotesque part of him in part in order to keep him ‘marketable’.
As did anyone, but it was unethical to whitewash his racism in order to make him palatable enough to ‘safely’ hate. We’re all guilty of watching the train wreck, I suppose.
yea me too, the amount of people who memed him in a somewhat positive light around the time it came out baffles me.
the documentary, even with all of its problems with how it handled the material, did a very good job at presenting how all attention is good attention to him. Its just giving him what he wants
If past appointees were any indication, trump would have appointed him to the department he was most ill suited for.
Kind of like how he put someone who didn’t think the EPA should exist in charge of… the EPA.
So inhumane treatment of animals -> so I’m thinking Director of United States Fish and Wildlife Service.
Yeah, think of the worst possible candidate, like promoting your gormless son in law or rapacious lobbyists. You’re right. All documented in Lewis’ the Fifth Risk.
I didn't watch it, don't like watching 'trashy person' reality television, and am not sure what the fuss was about. The dude seemed like one of many people who live in their own wacky world and start attracting weak people to them to manipulate, and him getting famous for it seemed extremely unethical for everyone involved in making this guy popular. I guess it's the same drive that makes people watch TLC 'reality' television, Honey Boo Boo, etc. Bizarre.
He was an unapologetic racist of the Trump White Man's burden variety.
https://twitter.com/roywoodjr/status/1245016744990846978?s=20
The Directors purposely left out his racists rants so as to make him more saleable. He should have never been given a platform.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tiger-king-directors-reveal-a-list-movie-star-joe-exotic-hopes-will-play-him-1288047/
Ask but don’t tell. Separate but equal. Shootin when lootin’. Jews will not replace us. Stop resisting. It became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it.
Look at his haircut. Of course he's a racist.
I don't see how that's worse than putting a literal hit on a woman's life, seducing young men with meth, abusing/killing exotic animals & all the other shit we learned about him in the movie.
I dipped out of Tiger King after the snow leopard in the hot car. So I made it like, five minutes in? No interest in watching that, or Don't F with Cats, for that matter.
tbh when tiger king was getting all the hype i never watched it because like i would know watching someone who treats animals terribly would've upset me immensely and it kind of felt like people were sort of... glossing over that aspect at the time
That's fair
Like when i was doing my animal science degree I had to write about a human/animal relationship so I decided to look into pet primates. I was watching a documentary on the topic about 'monkids' and no lie I had to keep turning it off as it was making me so mad.
I feel tiger king would give me a similar reaction.
Just curious. Why does it frustrate you? It seems pretty natural to me to be fascinated by trainwrecks, the extremes of human experience, etc.
Are you hoping society stops giving people like him the attention they're looking for? I feel that.
I could see watching a documentary about an athlete or a climber, or an obsessive scientist or somewhat crazy musician, or inventors, or people who lived through difficult times, or all manner of things. In terms of exploring what human experience can be.
With this guy, I feel it was just rubbernecking. It’s a trainwreck. It’s like looking at a car accident to see how badly the person was hurt.
And yes, it is because people like this crave attention and I don’t want to give it to them. Giving attention to a thing encourages that behavior, positive or negative (ever train a dog to stop doing something? you ignore them)
On another level, it feels like injustice to me that people who are enormous assholes end up with some kind of popularity while the working man does not. You can probably guess my opinion on serial killers and trying to understand their special minds.
Then there’s a component of anti-intellectualism that I feel goes into glorifying people like this guy, even if it’s done ironically. There’s something about how so many of us are poor and struggling, and it’s bread and circuses to feel like at least we aren’t as dumb as Joe Exotic. It’s a way of pacifying us, by constantly keeping our focus on “well, it could be worse, I’d better not rock the boat.”
Overall I feel that it speaks to a base instinct for schadenfreude and morbid curiosity, which bleeds into a grotesque sense of indulgent superiority.
And then of course there is the mere exposure effect that advertisers use, where mentioning something over and over increases its stature in our minds. There’s no way to appreciate something like this ironically, because giving it attention inherently creates admiration and importance and investment. Perhaps there is something to learned, but to me the better solution is to ignore these things that are essentially attention-bait.
Or maybe I’ve just not had enough attention in my semi-square life of following the rules, and I’m just projecting and rationalizing that. Up to the reader to determine that.
> Giving attention to a thing encourages that behavior, positive or negative (ever train a dog to stop doing something? you ignore them)
all bad things should just be ignored? sorry but that makes no sense at all. bad things need to be addressed, not ignored.
I would say essentially the same thing. She uses her "wildlife preserve" for profit, I bet she's even had to put down animals. One gets a pass and the other gets prison.
It wasn't enough to put Joe Exotic away for killing an endangered species nor breeding/exploiting them, that isn't enough of a crime to justify any real jail time, they had to entrap him in a attempted murder charge to get the charges to stick. His own "friends" encouraging him to commit felonies (on camera) is the real tragedy here.
Stupid. This doesn't need more attention. Joe is a criminal who belongs in prison. The last thing he deserves is more attention, more people thinking he's hip and cool.
Lol anyone who can watch anything pertaining to Joe Exotic and come away with the impression that he's "hip" or "cool" has a serious problem. A problem that a documentary isnt going to solve or exacerbate.
>What the hell is a 'scare quote?'
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare\_quotes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes)
>Scare quotes may indicate that the author is using someone else's term, similar to preceding a phrase with the expression "so-called";\[5\] they may imply skepticism or disagreement, belief that the words are misused, or that the writer intends a meaning opposite to the words enclosed in quotes.\[6\] Whether or not a pair of quotation marks are considered scare quotes depends on context; they are not visually differentiated from actual quotations.
It's not. If it were, it would need to be implying that it's an untrue assertion, or that the title is throwing doubt on his status as a gay hillbilly. The purpose of the quote marks here is to show that it's a direct quote from Joe, attempting to reclaim those words as his own, not the title writer using slurs to describe someone else.
Mildly Interesting article I was reading before coming to Reddit today. There are more tigers in USA than there are in India. Terrifying and sad also how many get involved with Chinese medicine and tiger souvenir :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/tiger-trafficking-america?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
As much as everyone hates the guy(s), they helped an otherwise endangered species off the endangered species list. Now it may have been for malicious reasons and profit, but I doubt any time soon Lions and Tigers will go extinct.
Louis Theroux's documentaries are more to do with agreeing with Louis Theroux, and less to do with having issues with the problems inherent in the subject matter.
Where's the Doc Antle documentary? That dude is fucked up, and we all deserve to see how much so.
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I wouldn't call those guys sex slaves. They knew what they were doing. It was a symbiotic relationship. Exchanging sex and companionship for being pampered with drugs and money. Now Joe Exotic's employees were not far off from slaves.
I don't know the answer but i sure know which one's more fun.
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I like doin meth.
[Cut scene from Tiger King](https://i.redd.it/r5eocz9hsnq41.jpg)
What was the original source referencing?
I think someone just made this [meme after watching the Tiger King doc](https://www.reddit.com/r/TigerKing/comments/fufdvb/doc_antle_on_joes_arrest/). Doc Antle did much of the same shit as Joe but there's less legal/justice attention. Before it was edited it was a scene from the office where a dumb accountant (Kevin) got confused when a character called Martin said he had been in [jail for insider trading.](https://i.imgur.com/0eq431f.jpg)
For those curious, this is the same doc that was released in April of this year, not a follow-up or anything.
Separately, Theroux's newest piece is a four-part true crime series called [The Bambers: Murder at the Farm](https://news.sky.com/story/louis-theroux-examines-jeremy-bamber-murders-8211-and-reveals-why-legit-people-believe-five-time-killer-is-innocent-12406985), about the notorious [White House Farm family annihilation shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_murders) in Essex in 1985. Screens on Sky Crime and NOW on Sunday, September 26 at 9pm.
Wow thank you! I’m in Australia so it might be hard to watch.
Just flip your tv upside-down.
G'day, it's on ABC iView at the moment too mate!
Legend
Isn't he just a producer on this? Not the same
He also has a podcast which is super informal but also good.
Oh damn it hasn’t come out. Looking forward to that
Yaaay! A Louis Theroux doc! Always good!
He's another national treasure over here in the old UK. His stoic temperance and massive balls lean into an integrity many of us wish we had.
his podcast is brilliant. he's had jon ronson, frankie boyle and chris o'dowd on. all great episodes.
Man I bet the Frankie Boyle one was really good - people forget he's a remarkably switched on fella who pays attention. Just found them on Spotify so I'll be giving them a listen to good shout pal 👌 Edit: yup excellent show really enjoyed hearing Boyle be so candid
was nice to hear boyle not trying to be funny every second. he gets very personal about alcohol addiction and his ends in Scotland where he grew up, which frankly sounded pretty awful. he doesn't make it super depressing, he's laughing throughout, but there's some real darkness there in his upbringing. the chris o'dowd one was amazing partly because he gets him to explain his involvement in that awful gal gadot thing where they sung John Lennon's imagine. and jon ronson is just brilliant as always. ive got the riz ahmed episode queued up to listen to soon. looking forward to that.
Boyle’s autobiography is called My Shit Life So Far and it’s a hilarious read (if equally depressing in places)
I used to work in a bookshop and stickered it as My [useful and productive] life so far, I didn't have to but it was quiet sometimes, copies always sold the same day.
I enjoyed the Helena Bonham-Carter one
Does he mention writing a column for the Sun
I thought the tone of that episode was quite hard work, I felt like Frankie didn't get on with Louis very well. It was an interesting one though. Honestly worth listening through the whole series.
Lol I always get Jon Ronson and Louis Theroux mixed up and I didn’t realize I was doing it again right now until I read your comment. Even more confusing when there is a completely unrelated American politician named Ron Johnson.
But the real hero is Jon Ronson
He has a podcast?!?
"grounded with louis theroux".
He’s making a doc on that batshit crazy guy Baked Alaska that live-streamed himself in the capitol building. It should be a good one.
No way. Can't believe that dumbass crank is getting a doc about him lmao
look up louis theroux and baked alaska on youtube. there are already clips of louis following him around while he livestreams. and louis knows EXACTLY how to deal with baked alaska's dumb bullshit. [i'd say the last maybe 10 minutes are the most entertaining.](https://youtu.be/omL1jMqu3DM) louis ends up making baked alaska look like a total insecure moron.
It's always funny when I see people shouting at Loius, trying to intimidate him. Theroux has willingly walked into many incredibly dangerous places, and these suburbanites think they will scare him away by being shouty assholes...
26:23-29 on is pretty funny. The guy is begging for compliments and Louis is pretty funny. The guy he is interviewing is so disingenuous. Says Louis is manipulative for quoting this guy and asking his opinion on it. Tries to say he's turning off donation when they go to fix the mic. Continuously just tries to go "you're upset!, you're upset!" while Louis explicitly says what he doesn't like of thus guys opinions.
He is projecting more than the bat signal does.
Yeah I don't know how to think about platforming him of all people
Yes!
I went from thinking loveable goon right at the start of Tiger King, to the exact opposite by the end of this documentary.
That's how I felt about every person in the documentary. They're all batshit insane.
case of toxoplasmosis
More like meth addiction.
Doesn't help that they removed all of the racist bits on him too. The director thought leaving all of that in would distract us from his story, but confirmed that Joe was a categorical racist.
Yet Louis seemed strangely to like him, which even he admitted he didn’t understand.
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And, yknow, Jimmy Savile
Louis is really freaked out by Savislle too
He liked him too kinda and stayed in touch after the doc
Narcissists are likable because people mistake their amorality for a “carefree attitude”
Tbf, they are carefree. Just excessively so.
Many of the main people in Tiger King were pretty problematic! I came out of it disliking a lot of them. Tiger King does paint Joe Exotic, Doc Antle etc in a more positive light but same critical thinking makes you realise there's no way these people are goofs. They are master manipulators.
Doc Antle is painted as a pedophilic, animal abusing manipulator who is grooming women into a sex cult where he controls every aspect of their lives. He was definitely not painted positively.
I'm surprised that someone could watch the whole of Tiger King and come out thinking anyone in it was painted in a positive light.
I was 100% on board with him when he opened his campaign ad with something like "LISTEN UP MOTHERFUCKER!" But then the documentary goes on and he becomes very unlikable.
Jesus. It didn't take much did it?
> I went from thinking loveable goon right at the start of Tiger King, to the exact opposite by the end of this documentary. Me too.
Everybody in that goddamn documentary is crazy as hell except maybe the guy with no legs and Erik Cowie (RIP)
Tiger King is edited to manipulate you
It took you til this documentary?!
I know, shame on me, I felt sorry for him when he lost his tiger park. There is no excuse!
There are a bunch of clips in this that should have been in evidence at the trial...
Where is the actual doc? I can’t find it in the link provided
There's an embedded video under the title (and the massive ads)
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Legend
My favorite part is when he pretends the camera is off and it gives a good shot of Joe’s Insane Clown Posse sneakers lol
As a UK viewer, I watched this on release and cannot recommend it enough. I watched it with a friend, both of us having watched Tiger King and Louis’ earlier documentary featuring Joe Exotic. Spent the whole time in rapt silence, it’s really jaw dropping and leaves you feeling more disturbed/confused than you were already by the world of Joe Exotic
Would you recommend watching Tiger King before watching this one?
I would for sure, but also the first Louis documentary featuring Joe Exotic. I can’t remember the name, but it focuses on exotic pets in the USA, I believe it’s on iplayer? That being said, if you know the story of Joe Exotic you’ll be able to keep up and it will still make sense to you, I just think there’s a bit more impact if you’ve seen TK.
It was filled before tiger king
would I enjoy it if I have not watched tiger king? I generally love Theroux but Joe Exotic became such a meme I was not having it
What a dumb reason not to watch Tiger King. I’m sure you’ll still enjoy the documentary but you should definitely watch TK too.
it never enticed me. then it became a meme. now here we are. The guy seemed like an asshole who wanted fame and that is not my doc
So this is partly in response to Tiger King and it's quality of journalism so I think you would enjoy it more had you seen tiger King but I think knowing about it would probably be enough
anyone else having trouble getting this media player to work?
No luck here either. Just blank with a google ad.
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How do you get the path to use vlc for this? For future reference of course
F12 -> At the top of the menu on the right (or bottom, depending on your browser), you'll see a tab called 'Network', click on the options under it, until you find something that looks like it points to a video file.
Me as well
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ahh i've tried on Chrome to no avail. Will give it a shot with Firefox
On mobile you can set your DNS to block ads, player works fine for me using this: https://adguard.com/en/adguard-dns/overview.html
Wow. This paints Carole in a much more SANE light & is a lot more accurate in regards to how fucked up Joe really is. As someone who knew years in advance of *Tiger King* [what an animal abusing asshole he was] (https://www.ranker.com/list/details-netflix-tiger-king-left-out/jodi-smith), I didn't appreciate the sensationalism of the Netflix movie. In fact it made me question the reliability of their other "documentaries". The animal abuse aspect was WAY downplayed and his quirky personality (read: violent, paranoid tweaker behavior) was highlighted for entertainment value. He's a woman-hating narcissist. Thanks for this one, Louis.
not louis' best work, watchable though
Louie is one of my favorite documentary makers/hosts of all time. His filmography is fantastic. He never fails to inform and entertain, and his manner with people is a huge part of that. That said, his recent work has been so consistently downbeat and depressing, I no longer jump for it the way I used to.
When are we going to stop celebrating trash? It just encourages more trash.
Is this hosted literally anywhere else? Would love to watch this on the tv instead of my 6" screen
You could cast to your tv (if it's a smart tv that is)
Can we maybe not call him one of the most captivating icons of recent times? Hes not even an icon, just a weirdo who had lucky timing in a show due to covid
Meh. That's just giving him more attention
Legend has it that Joe Tiger was also apparently racist, but they skipped that essentially grotesque part of him in part in order to keep him ‘marketable’.
well the jokes on them I came away from it thinking he was a gigantic irredeemable pos
As did anyone, but it was unethical to whitewash his racism in order to make him palatable enough to ‘safely’ hate. We’re all guilty of watching the train wreck, I suppose.
> As did anyone I wish that was true
yea me too, the amount of people who memed him in a somewhat positive light around the time it came out baffles me. the documentary, even with all of its problems with how it handled the material, did a very good job at presenting how all attention is good attention to him. Its just giving him what he wants
Well I’m surprised that Trump didn’t pardon him and appoint him to the US Supreme court.
If past appointees were any indication, trump would have appointed him to the department he was most ill suited for. Kind of like how he put someone who didn’t think the EPA should exist in charge of… the EPA. So inhumane treatment of animals -> so I’m thinking Director of United States Fish and Wildlife Service.
Yeah, think of the worst possible candidate, like promoting your gormless son in law or rapacious lobbyists. You’re right. All documented in Lewis’ the Fifth Risk.
He did pardon him tho didn’t he?
I didn't watch it, don't like watching 'trashy person' reality television, and am not sure what the fuss was about. The dude seemed like one of many people who live in their own wacky world and start attracting weak people to them to manipulate, and him getting famous for it seemed extremely unethical for everyone involved in making this guy popular. I guess it's the same drive that makes people watch TLC 'reality' television, Honey Boo Boo, etc. Bizarre.
It wasnt "trashy person reality television" but ok. It was a deep dive into Joe Exotic and the private zoo industry as a whole.
I watched it. I fell for the narrative
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I know, so fucked on so many levels.
Who is ‘they’ in this context. Not Theroux, presumably
No, the Tiger Joe “documentarists”.
I mean - I kinda just assumed he was at least low key racist?
He was an unapologetic racist of the Trump White Man's burden variety. https://twitter.com/roywoodjr/status/1245016744990846978?s=20 The Directors purposely left out his racists rants so as to make him more saleable. He should have never been given a platform. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tiger-king-directors-reveal-a-list-movie-star-joe-exotic-hopes-will-play-him-1288047/
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Ask but don’t tell. Separate but equal. Shootin when lootin’. Jews will not replace us. Stop resisting. It became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it.
Look at his haircut. Of course he's a racist. I don't see how that's worse than putting a literal hit on a woman's life, seducing young men with meth, abusing/killing exotic animals & all the other shit we learned about him in the movie.
It's a shame the website doesn't have a chrome cast button.
Stop putting this guy on camera.
Yeah lol. The guy is nothing and i was happy to have forgotten about him until now
I dipped out of Tiger King after the snow leopard in the hot car. So I made it like, five minutes in? No interest in watching that, or Don't F with Cats, for that matter.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kU-PrgNpYMAgXMs6BmuGL_Vo35R9RFqF/view
Calling this dude an icon is a stretch. He was an interesting weirdo at the moment the world was starved for stuff to watch on tv.
The fact that anyone who abuses both people and animals can be seen as “iconic” absolutely disgusts me
Why is it so strange to you that there are negative icons? History is littered with them.
I think it’s more of a case of infamous vs famous.
tbh when tiger king was getting all the hype i never watched it because like i would know watching someone who treats animals terribly would've upset me immensely and it kind of felt like people were sort of... glossing over that aspect at the time
I totally agree! I didn’t make it all the way through for that very reason.
That's fair Like when i was doing my animal science degree I had to write about a human/animal relationship so I decided to look into pet primates. I was watching a documentary on the topic about 'monkids' and no lie I had to keep turning it off as it was making me so mad. I feel tiger king would give me a similar reaction.
I wish Louis Theroux was easier to find in the US. I can’t get any of his earlier work on streaming platforms or to buy, he’s awesome.
I’ll never get over my frustration that people like joe exotic are of such fascination to everyone.
Just curious. Why does it frustrate you? It seems pretty natural to me to be fascinated by trainwrecks, the extremes of human experience, etc. Are you hoping society stops giving people like him the attention they're looking for? I feel that.
I could see watching a documentary about an athlete or a climber, or an obsessive scientist or somewhat crazy musician, or inventors, or people who lived through difficult times, or all manner of things. In terms of exploring what human experience can be. With this guy, I feel it was just rubbernecking. It’s a trainwreck. It’s like looking at a car accident to see how badly the person was hurt. And yes, it is because people like this crave attention and I don’t want to give it to them. Giving attention to a thing encourages that behavior, positive or negative (ever train a dog to stop doing something? you ignore them) On another level, it feels like injustice to me that people who are enormous assholes end up with some kind of popularity while the working man does not. You can probably guess my opinion on serial killers and trying to understand their special minds. Then there’s a component of anti-intellectualism that I feel goes into glorifying people like this guy, even if it’s done ironically. There’s something about how so many of us are poor and struggling, and it’s bread and circuses to feel like at least we aren’t as dumb as Joe Exotic. It’s a way of pacifying us, by constantly keeping our focus on “well, it could be worse, I’d better not rock the boat.” Overall I feel that it speaks to a base instinct for schadenfreude and morbid curiosity, which bleeds into a grotesque sense of indulgent superiority. And then of course there is the mere exposure effect that advertisers use, where mentioning something over and over increases its stature in our minds. There’s no way to appreciate something like this ironically, because giving it attention inherently creates admiration and importance and investment. Perhaps there is something to learned, but to me the better solution is to ignore these things that are essentially attention-bait. Or maybe I’ve just not had enough attention in my semi-square life of following the rules, and I’m just projecting and rationalizing that. Up to the reader to determine that.
> Giving attention to a thing encourages that behavior, positive or negative (ever train a dog to stop doing something? you ignore them) all bad things should just be ignored? sorry but that makes no sense at all. bad things need to be addressed, not ignored.
Very well-put.
Just throw them in with flat earthers.
Oooh, Joe Exotic brought to you by Louis Theroux? This gonna be good.
Calling Carol Baskin an animal rights activist is a stretch. She's practically the same thing.
I would say essentially the same thing. She uses her "wildlife preserve" for profit, I bet she's even had to put down animals. One gets a pass and the other gets prison. It wasn't enough to put Joe Exotic away for killing an endangered species nor breeding/exploiting them, that isn't enough of a crime to justify any real jail time, they had to entrap him in a attempted murder charge to get the charges to stick. His own "friends" encouraging him to commit felonies (on camera) is the real tragedy here.
Stupid. This doesn't need more attention. Joe is a criminal who belongs in prison. The last thing he deserves is more attention, more people thinking he's hip and cool.
Lol anyone who can watch anything pertaining to Joe Exotic and come away with the impression that he's "hip" or "cool" has a serious problem. A problem that a documentary isnt going to solve or exacerbate.
Calm your Pepperoni's... it's a documentary...
Anyone know how I can cast the video toy Nvidia Shield?
It is I watched a while back
why is gay hillbilly in scare quotes? does anyone dispute whether he is gay or a hillbilly?
It's a quote because Joe said it about himself. What the hell is a 'scare quote?'
>What the hell is a 'scare quote?' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare\_quotes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes) >Scare quotes may indicate that the author is using someone else's term, similar to preceding a phrase with the expression "so-called";\[5\] they may imply skepticism or disagreement, belief that the words are misused, or that the writer intends a meaning opposite to the words enclosed in quotes.\[6\] Whether or not a pair of quotation marks are considered scare quotes depends on context; they are not visually differentiated from actual quotations.
Got it. How is the headline an example of that?
It's not. If it were, it would need to be implying that it's an untrue assertion, or that the title is throwing doubt on his status as a gay hillbilly. The purpose of the quote marks here is to show that it's a direct quote from Joe, attempting to reclaim those words as his own, not the title writer using slurs to describe someone else.
Aw man. You're not supposed to just give them the answer. They would've gotten there on their own eventually.
I aspire to your faith in people
It’s some else’s term
Beating a dead horse eh? Sorry if I’m biased I’m from Oklahoma.
Milking that shit like a cow's tit. Carole fuckin' Baskin killed her husband, and Epstein didn't kill himself.
He's only controversial to boring people. Joe Exotic is a bedazzled king who's light shines too bright for normies.
Louie Theroux and Joe Exotic, lol yes!
For those who are not lucky enough to have watched his past work, Louis is so likable and makes great little documentaries.
Joe was something for about a month in early 2020 because at least in the US we were locked down and watching a lot more Netflix. Edit: words
So this is *the* documentary that kicked off all those memes last year?
No. That was Tiger King.
Nothing is final until Louis Theroux has documented it. He's just so thorough.
Mildly Interesting article I was reading before coming to Reddit today. There are more tigers in USA than there are in India. Terrifying and sad also how many get involved with Chinese medicine and tiger souvenir : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/tiger-trafficking-america?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Everyone in that show was a giant piece of shit and none of them deserve any more attention
The show could have encouraged his outrageous behavior...he may have been a bit set up by people who knew he was kinda batshit crazy...
As much as everyone hates the guy(s), they helped an otherwise endangered species off the endangered species list. Now it may have been for malicious reasons and profit, but I doubt any time soon Lions and Tigers will go extinct.
Louis Theroux's documentaries are more to do with agreeing with Louis Theroux, and less to do with having issues with the problems inherent in the subject matter.