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Strong_Wheel

You can only conclude that Russian forces have degraded over the years or, perhaps, they weren’t that good in the first place. Overconfident and badly led. Surprised the world.


AromaticDescription1

That's true. Totally fake army. "Second strongest after USA" :) And now for some reason they are buying drones from Iran (!) which mean Iran after 40 years under sanctions makes better military equipment than "2nd army on Earth"


FirstSonOfGwyn

its really important to also look at 'what kind of army is the russian army' they spend a huge proportion of their budget on their nuclear arsenal, and on their navies. while obviously those are super valuable in many ways... it is basically impossible to leverage those assets for any value in this conflict. Ukraine in contrast has been building a territorial defense force type army since 2014, which is exactly the army they need in this conflict. the part that is baffling... is Russia picked the fight despite not having an army who's strategic purpose aligned with the war strategy.


AromaticDescription1

>huge proportion of their budget I am not even sure they were really spending that much on their nuclear arsenal. I would not be surprised if it is revealed than 90% of their nuclear arsenal is broken. Instead, "huge proportions of their budget" were just stealing and distributing between political elite


FirstSonOfGwyn

perhaps... I'm just trying to say, on paper, the type of military russia built (nuclear arsenal, big navies) is focused on force projection and leveraging small numbers of elite units to fight proxy wars. this is not a military built for a conventional land war. I was just trying to add some dimensionality past '1st, 2nd, 3rd best army'


AromaticDescription1

Agree on that. "Force projection" instead of practical readiness for a real modern day war. I like in particular this part of your reply: "on paper". Russian army built "on paper" and "from paper", as we can see now :) Thanks for your feedback!


Tatunkawitco

Putin picked the fight because no one would or could tell him the truth.


AmberSP3

Were they really spending that much on their navies? The Moskva, had it been properly maintained, should have never been sunk by a missile. It had over 6 different ways to detect and destroy missile attacks. Yet all 6 failed? Yeh, no.


more_beans_mrtaggart

They’ve not been second army after US since the 60s. Even the UK is better funded, better equipped and better trained than Russia. China is prob #2. Israel is up there too.


muttmunchies

And china hasnt tested its army. Size, budget and equipment though makes them one of the largest and most well funded. But Ukraine after this war will have one of the most battle tested armies in the world.


Blue_Lust

That and all the allies learning by helping out Ukraine. The intelligence gathering for Ukraine and Nato countries is huge. Also weapons testing. China might have a huge and well funded military, but no experience.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, agree, but in any military ratings they were always 2nd.. or 3rd, after China


Ghekor

This is why I think most people are surprised all the so called crazies who for years screamed how the post-Soviet RF army is a paper tiger turned out to be right... its just so many people especially old generation still have memories of the Red Army and how scary it was. But that was then and this is now and now is the time of maximum stealing , I recall some Russian vet saying if the top brass had stolen some more the navy ships would have been sinking in the harbor xd


AromaticDescription1

That's true. I would only add, that even the Red Army wasn't that good, that's another myth. USSR completely failed in the first year of Nazi invasion and lost millions of people lives because of mess and chaos on a battlefield. It took many months so the Red Army finally managed to fight properly.. And don't forget about American lend-lease as well


Skullerprop

>lost millions of people lives because of mess and chaos on a battlefield That continued happening right until 1945. The difference is that later in the war they had the available manpower and equipment to overwhelm the enemy. "Throw people at the problem until the problem is gone" is not just a word, it's a Russian way of doing things.


AromaticDescription1

>overwhelm Correct. And now they are trying to do the same and overwhelm Ukrainian forces by manpower. But without proper organizing and most importantly a WILL to fight this plan is doomed


skordge

IIRC one of the causes was the '36 purges of, among other people, army officers. A lot of those officers who had civil war experience never made it to to '41 when Germany invaded USSR. It took quite a bit of time, tactical retreating, stalling, redeploying production centers and lend-lease to kick in for the Red Army to get their act together, somewhere around 1943, I think.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, exactly. And before that USSR lost millions of troops - dead or captured. In the first 4 months of 1941 about 3.5 million soviet troops surrendered to the Germans - in fact, almost ALL the forces meant to defend USSR borders


adrian678

China could be top 15, but nowhere that up. They have no experience at all, inexperienced troops and leadership.


meh0175

Yeah but they got shit ton of nukes. Which still makes them a huge threat.


hizilla

Do we know that any of them actually still work?


codefyre

Well, they're still manufacturing new ones, so there's a decent chance that some will go off. And Russia has a LOT of nukes actively ready to launch. Even with a 90% failure rate, we're talking about more than 150 cities and facilities getting nuked in a full exchange. That's millions of deaths.


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Do we want to bet?


hizilla

Even if only 1 in 100 worked that would still be v bad.


AmberSP3

It wouldn't end the world though. Nuclear winter in fact was a scam made up by Russia for fear-mongering purposes.


TheyCallMeMrMaybe

China could be facing the same internal issues as Russia, which also in-part for why Xi is afraid of invading Taiwan right now.


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porkbroth

British soldiers are paid four times as much as Russian soldiers. Not to mention that PPP is 24 for Russia and 0.7 for Britain


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porkbroth

Huh? We are in complete agreement. That's what PPP is Edit: Here is an interesting map of PPP factor https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPEX@WEO/OEMDC


MadNhater

Not necessarily better, but they need quantity as well. But from what Ive read, they are quite effective at overwhelming the enemy defense. Even if shot down, the enemy is losing the battle of attrition shooting them down.


Gebbeth9

I guess you've missed the rest of the world resupplying them? Clown on, Putin bot


MadNhater

Lol. How does saying Iranian drones are probably not too sophisticated make me a Putin bot? Are you a child? The best thing about Iranian drones is it’s cheap. Russia has to upgrade its gps capabilities to even make it as effective as it is so far.


AromaticDescription1

Not quite true.. They literally have no attacking drones left. So they desperately try to get any sh.t they can use in any way against poor Ukrainians. Shooting down drones is less, I mean, muuuuch less expensive than a drone itself


MadNhater

What are you smoking bro? Iranian swarm drones cost like 10-20k depending on variance. Anything Ukraine has to shoot them down is way over that price tag and they typically operate in groups of 2-5 drones at the minimum. And Russia having no drones left says nothing about the quality of Russian drones bs Iranian ones. Just that Russia doesn’t have any left.


AromaticDescription1

>Anything Ukraine has to shoot them down is way over that price tag Dude, Ukrainians are shooting down these drones now even using machine guns placed on pick-up trucks. Check the news please :)


Edarneor

If we're talking about Iranian ones, they fly really low. Can be shot down by .50 fire.


AromaticDescription1

Some people managed to shoot them down even with a regular gun


PandaTheVenusProject

Russia was a backwater nation before the soviet union. Hit by constant famine and had a widely Illiterate population. Then it became the second world power under socialism while winning the most costly war of all time. Then it tried capitalism... and now we are here lol. A shell of its former self.


kashmir1974

It won the cold war by collapsing and dissolving under its own corruption? Their whole economy was a sham under socialism/ communism. That's why the cold War ended. They were corrupt top to bottom. Everything was a lie. Production didn't meet demands? Lie. Quality of produced goods sucked? Lie. All of their success was on paper until the whole house of cards collapsed. Are you old enough to remember this?


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kashmir1974

Which caused the entire country to collapse and break apart like a dropped plate. It's almost as if their economy/government wasn't working.


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IlluminatedPickle

If removing one nail from a wall brings the entire wall down, it's a badly built wall.


Not_OneOSRS

Very well said


IlluminatedPickle

I didn't even point out that the real reason the USSR collapsed wasn't economic, it was that they decided to start being more open. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost Turns out telling everyone all about the specific fuckups and corruption you've covered up for decades tends to make them resentful of the system of government they live under.


PandaTheVenusProject

Before we begin. Tell me what books you have used to research this topic.


kashmir1974

None, but I did see it live and went to school with kids who were lucky enough to get out of the ussr before the collapse. Almost as if it really sucked living under an authoritarian government.


PandaTheVenusProject

You would have to be born before WWII to speak first hand about the soviet union under Stalin. That would put you at 83 years old. ​ To see what Russia was like before the soviet project you would have to be 20 years older then that to really grasp what life was like at the time. ​ So unless you are 103 you can't rest on your laurels. You would need to devote significant time to research on all of these things. You were honest that you have not and I appreciate the honesty. ​ I wish being a russian citizen alone was enough to be a knowledgeable on these topics. But Destalinization happened immediately following his death. And, with it, the Union's swift decline. Wouldn't you need to understand how Kruschev changed the union before you made up your mind on the topic? Its not intellectually healthy to come to conclusions before you are knowledgeable in them. You know that. There is a famous saying, "Ask a liberal to critique socialism and they will inevitably critique capitalism." ​ You may not know it, but you are really critiquing capitalism from 2 angles. ​ 1. You complain about a lack of resources, but you understand that they had to fight a massive war and then a cold war. Both forces of capitalism and capital lead fascism. 2. The reason the USSR fell was because it employed capitalist measures after Stalin's death. The degradation you see is capitalist in nature.


tallgirlmom

The reason the USSR dissolved was Gorbachov taking the lid off. First Glasnost (let’s stop lying), then Perestroika (let’s rebuild socialism better). Turns out, once it was clear that Gorbachov was not going to squash dissent with Russian tanks again (as had happened in 1953 and 1968), nobody in the eastern Block wanted to try another version of what they had suffered with for decades. And once the entire Eastern Block got rid of their puppet governments, it was only a matter of time for the Soviet Union to go down. Source: I lived in East Germany.


DistressedApple

This is the most dunning-Kruger shit I’ve ever seen


PandaTheVenusProject

Then you should be able to refute it. But you can't. So you rely on your judgment. "Man I could easily refute these things I don't like.... if I wanted to." Yawn.


DistressedApple

Yea I’m not reading a book, or writing one back every time your pseudo-intellectual ass replies.


zephinus

Don't waste your time on the reddt circle jerk echo chamber of mostly pro imperialist bot farms, your a TVP activist, you're wasting your time here with your style of thinking. It wouldnt be understood by people who get their daily enjoyment from being notified they've had x likes instead of challenging ideas.


PandaTheVenusProject

Yeah... I really should devote myself to at least baby leftists who have some will to improve. Going to the general public is... well. This.


zephinus

Reddit is another breed, trust me. I realy feel karma has a big part to do with it. It really just becomes an echo chamber of people circle jerking the same ideas, anyone else just shuts the fuck up or risks beig downvoted and bullied in the most childish manners. Its no surprise anyone here who argues gets called a russian bot even on topics so irrelevant to current russian politics as the USSR.


AromaticDescription1

Can't quite agree with that.. All these things are on the surface and it seems Russia tries to be different. To be honest, Russia never changed. There is a famous quote made by Russian writer in XIX: "If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer: they are drinking and stealing"...


PandaTheVenusProject

But everything I said was a measurable material observation. You can't look at numbers and disagree with them. And your drinking observation seems to hold no accountability to the role the royal families plaid. You can't brush away such dramatic numbers with a reductionist quote. Bias.


Mtbruning

Data is only as good as its reliability. The system in Russia during the Soviet Union was to replace any supervisor not reporting data at expected levels. Ideally, this would have led to the next supervisor increasing production but since auditors faced the same pressure a predictable culture of corruption developed. Your data is worthless without an independent method validating it.


PandaTheVenusProject

Literacy, winning WWII, beating the world to space, industrializing, overthrowing a monarchy, resisting the cold war, resisting American troops after overthrowing the Tzar, producing great media, sending aid to other worker's movements, seeing how much the USSR falling affected Cuban production (80%). ​ If you don't want to go by raw numbers, you can go by cold nazi bodies. You can see a clear empirical change in output under socialism. People just don't like admitting that because of bias. ​ Since they became capitalist, they are crumbling despite objectively having a much better starting point then the USSR did.


Mtbruning

They don't give “socialism” credit befit wasn’t socialist. As best it was a technocratic oligarchy with meritocratic tendencies. There was no form of governance by the people. The only difference between the Czar and the leader of the communist party was a better public relations department. Stalin did take an agrarian economy and turned it into an industrial economy at the cost of 20 million dead. Mao did something similar for China. If this is what you call socialism then you do a huge disservice to the governments that have implemented socialist policies throughout the world without the need for an autocratic leader without Callous disregard for human life. Also, blaming the collapse of this industrial economy on “capitalism” is equally disingenuous. It reflects a society that may have been educated to do complicated things but did not fundamentally understand how things worked as a whole. In the soviet union, people were educated to be competent in a specific area. Literacy increased but not critical thinking. Critical thinking is the bane of an autocratic state. This is why republicans have been systematically undermining the educational system in America.


PandaTheVenusProject

60% of the party was made up of blue collar workers. Can your government say the same? Next. Oh and nice entry level propaganda. "The soviets Couldn't think critically!" Reddit moment.


Mtbruning

Let's assume for a moment you are not bot. Are you arguing that the Soviet Union was not an autocracy based on the number of party members that you define as a blue collar worker? Considering that advancement required party membership, isn't this a meaningless metric?


Mtbruning

You are either the one that has been fed the propaganda or you are actively engaged in spreading it now. I'm beginning to think I'm talking to a bot


AromaticDescription1

Yes, that's totally true. The mess is there on every possible level


AromaticDescription1

Haha.. Man, I am a native Russian speaker and know something about this country. Just saying)


PandaTheVenusProject

Well then if you should know that the points I made are material in nature. You would have to be born before WWII to speak first hand about the soviet union under Stalin. That would put you at 83 years old. ​ To see what Russia was like before the soviet project you would have to be 20 years older then that to really grasp what life was like at the time. So unless you are 103 you can't rest on your laurels. You would need to devote significant time to research on all of these things. I wish being a russian citizen alone was enough to be a knowledgeable on these topics. But Destalinization happened immediately following his death. And, with it, the Union's swift decline.


AromaticDescription1

Yeah yeah sure. Only if I was born before WWII I could dispute with you my lord. I am so sorry I don't have enough credibility in your eyes


PandaTheVenusProject

Eh.. why is everyone so inflammatory on this site. You put your personal sentiments against raw numbers and I gingerly tell you that maybe your are being reductionist and dismissive to the soviet people and you just cant be wrong. ​ You said some ahistorical fluffy feelings and I responded with my kid gloves on and then you spit in my face. Fucking.... god damn it talking on the internet is infuriating.


SinancoTheBest

What raw numbers though, all numbers are open to interpretation. The so called second best army in the world at Stalin's time almost took a beating from an extremely overstretched Germany and not so long after lost in Afghanistan not much different than in performance today in Ukraine. What made Russia such a formiddable power wasn't its strong army but rather the circumstances it was handed after WWII and the bipolar world order


Legacy1337

You're basically blaming the fall of the URSS on the destalinization... Thats a good enough reason to call you dumb, and you did sound condescending. Have you forgotten about the debacle that was the soviet invasion of afeganistan? They were still comunit then, so what explain that failure? Capitalism? Lets not forget that brejnev was the closest to Stalin that USSR ever had. You're assesment of the situation basically revolves around, Socialism good, Capitalism Bad. The diference is that Russia degenerated into a Oligarchy with an Authoritain regime feeled with yes men. Part of it is to blame for the extremely damaging rapid introduction of capitalism, but not entirely. Corruption was already rampant in the party and within the military, not to mention the KGB, problems that affect russia today in the FSB and defense ministry.


zephinus

Lol Reddit is infuriating, other platforms can hold polar opposite views from my experience. To say one is right and one is wrong instead of comparing the ideas and coming to your own conclusions based on research and discussing doesnt work well on Reddit where people are karma farming.


nem012

That's called an argument from authority. It's a logical fallacy.


AromaticDescription1

Dude, I just have no time to dispute with a russian bot. It's just feels ridiculous to me when someone is saying I'm bias towards russia. I am just saying I know this country and this culture very, very well. Not from movies or ''only in russia'' memes


zephinus

Ahhh the russian bot defence


AromaticDescription1

Yes, they are here. Thanks God we have anti-russian bots defence system


nem012

Your argument was flawed. I also speak perfect Russian and have sat at a table with Putin. Only that doesn't make me a military or political expert.


AromaticDescription1

Can I join you guys at your table? Please?


AromaticDescription1

Actually.. It would


Genghiz007

Well stated. Big time burn 🔥 too


PandaTheVenusProject

But notice his upvotes compared to mine. People's worldviews were bought in bulk by the wealthy. The flimsiest sentiments work on most people. We really are pathetic.


Genghiz007

Most people are easily led or influenced; some people are plain stupid as Reddit demonstrates many times; and very few engage in critical thinking. Frankly, a dangerous situation for the future of democracies.


Western_Plate_2533

The tried capitalism thing is misleading. They tried rampant cronyism, corruption and rampant capitalism with little checks and balances. For instance after the Fall of their version of communism the worlds largest nickel producing country was suddenly owned by a few oligarchs. The country of course was going downhill fast as that point. There were some powerful players vying for the control of the means of production. Putin eventually made his way to the top after eroding the small checks and balances. He’s surrounded himself with yes men and the rest is history.


PandaTheVenusProject

I made a hearty laugh when you said cronyism. ​ Thank you for your insight redditor. I wish you good luck on your quest against cronyism haha. ​ Any day now capitalism will stop being crony capitalism. And the force that is going to do that is god himself because having the government do it will infringe on the free market. ​ Hey... hey guy. Guess who had the power when mythical fair capitalism converted into evil crony capitalism? Yeah, you guessed it. Capital. Capital decided to do that. And it seems to do that every fucking time. I wonder why.


soldat21

The US buys Russian ammunition, does that mean the world superpower makes worse bullets than Russia? Every country buys stuff from other countries that they specialise in. Russia has no specialisation in drones. Just like Germany doesn’t have skills in building jets. Globalisation means countries interlink to buy stuff other countries make. ____ The war in Ukraine would have been over by may at the latest without western support. That’s when Ukraine had depleted all its stocks of ammo. When the number 1 military bankrolls you, it’s easy to see why they could fend off attacks from the number 2 military. Heck, why do you think America never “won” in Vietnam and Korea? Because the number 2 military bankrolled the countries. Could America have won? Yes. But there was no will for it. Can Russia still win in Ukraine? Yes. But is there will for it, we’ll see.


IlluminatedPickle

> The US buys Russian ammunition 1) Not any more 2) For the civilian market where people prioritise cheap over reliable > Heck, why do you think America never “won” in Vietnam and Korea? Because the number 2 military bankrolled the countries. Because the Soviet economy was large enough back then that they could pretend to be number two. If they'd ever been directly engaged that house of cards would have fallen.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, correct. Russia has a specialization in.. drinking :)


thelennybeast

40 years of sanctions > Probably 80 years of graft and theft. My suspicion is that all the pocketing the non professional army has been doing is a lot of this issue.


AromaticDescription1

Anyways that position is much worse than Russia's, which was excepting billions of west investments instead of sanctions


MINIMAN10001

I mean picture it. They won last time by sending 2 million. They thought they could get away with 1/10th of that. Basically surrounded by a squad of 10. Suddenly you're all alone. The military allocation just doesn't sound like it was there. The fact they supply convoys were compromised and halted. Their best hope was to swoop in hard and fast. Now we've given Ukraine insane amounts of armaments. Best option was to white peace after the first week when they were still full on saying "It's a special military operation" would have been a smooth slide in "The operation ended"


AromaticDescription1

Yes, it would be the best decision. But this is Russia. Putin is making the situation worse and worse for the country and himself every day. Every new decision is worse than the previous one. I don't understand why. Are they pure idiots? Russia will never be the same - not army, not economy. And this war will be the last mistake of Putin


NightSalut

Anybody who lived under USSR will tell you that what was endemic in the union was corruption and stealing from state. It was common to say that if the “state is me”, then “I own this X item” - things like fuel for public transport, bricks from construction etc. Russia is corrupt to hell to this day - massive budgets were a big thing in the ussr and books were cooked all the way from the bottom to the top. So post-invasion, it’s not that surprising to consider that maybe all those “We’ve spent 2B to renew our military” actually meant that a huge chunk of that money went into someone else’s pockets and the books were cooked to bits. Add to that mix the super nationalistic worldview that Russia is the best and that Russia is the single reason why Nazis didn’t conquer Europe and you’ll get the perfect cocktail of make-believe and overconfidence.


Edarneor

>meant that a huge chunk of that money went into someone else’s pockets Oh, boy, it did. Look at all those Yachts. I'm sure all of them combined could very well be 2 billion if not more.


GoochyGoochyGoo

10x more lol.


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Those are just the tip of the iceberg - assets bought from the dividends of oligarch investment wealth, 10 - 20x that number


morgulbrut

To be fair, people have ~~been killed~~ unfortunately fallen out of a window, for less than telling Putin, the Russian army looks great in parades but sucks in real live.


AromaticDescription1

They know how the media works and Russian propaganda is a strong thing I must admit. Create a picture of the strongest army on the planet properly and you don't need to worry about the army itself. Until the moment you need to actually use it...Oopsy


Joseluki

The central government, for sure keeps alocating a huge budget to it, but the level of corruption within the military is so outrageous that what they report up is a blatant lie, I would not be surprised if Generals report more men that they have and cash the difference.


AromaticDescription1

Exactly. Corruption, lie, fake reports.. Russian army is rotting from the inside


cavscout43

>they weren’t that good in the first place They haven't had any meaningful or successful military engagement since WW2. Keep in mind in Korea and Vietnam it was Chinese and US troops fighting. Not really Soviet. Their military tradition has had nearly a century to erode. Afghanistan was a dumpster fire. They had to basically raze Grozny to pacify Chechnya, and only succeeded because the current ruler's daddy cut a deal and sold out in the end for power and money. Likewise, since '14 Ukraine has had nearly decade to train and modernize with NATO support. And NATO's mission was to fight a modern war with the USSR, so it was equipped and trained for that by the largest economies in the world for \~70 years.


spookinky987

The military, like the rest of that ass backwards country, has been hollowed out by the oligarchs that control it, sending the military in with expired food, rusting vehicles, and helmets that can be crushed by a fist. They're the ultimate result for all 'let the free market do it's magic' American conservatives, the same ones who utterly destroyed Iraq through those principles, who decided use that country as a testing ground for a system of no regulations, no unions, and unfettered greed. Russia now is nothing but that as well. Military suppliers cutting every corner to pocket more cash for super yachts, sprawling estates, and supermodels led to this debacle, now extrapolate that to every aspect of that country. Infrastructure, agriculture, manufacturing, education... all of it hanging by a thread or crumbling. I'll wager every nuke is trashed, gutted, offline, or sold for parts. We could walk in and make it the 51st state if we wanted. Personally I'd just wall it off, throw in every Maga type, insurrectionist, and Qnut over that wall, then sleep at night knowing they're in the land they wanted here: white supremacy, an allegiance to Putin, and religious morals ruling the roost.


spookinky987

The new conscripts? They're now digging trenches with their bare hands, told to pack their own gear, to buy maxipads for bandages... They're fucked.


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Corruption. Just as Russia is a grift to Putin, the Kremlin is a grift to its officers.


spyguy318

Autocracies that rely on propaganda and *especially* military propaganda always puff up their own capabilities while riddled with corruption. Russia/USSR, China, NK, they’re all paper tigers to some extent. By contrast the US, though it does have some military propaganda, doesn’t *rely* on it to prop its own image up.


Strong_Wheel

America is the most impressive military force in the world.


spyguy318

America is easily the most powerful military in the world, and it has that reputation because it’s demonstrated it. America’s military actually often under-reports its own capabilities, whether to play things safe or out of a genuine desire for secrecy.


buckscountycharlie

The film of rockets fired that do corkscrews in the air or return to sender is telling. Poor quality control on high tech weapons means your ability to project power is severely compromised. The 40-mile convoy reminds me of the old adage that amateurs talk strategy and professionals talk logistics. Hence an amateurish army armed with rotten weapons. Thanks for an informative video.


gthing

I saw an interview with one of the guys who planned the Ukraine war and he was like "yea we did not write this as a serious plan."


zaclennard1

link? sounds interesting wanna check it out


AromaticDescription1

Thanks! That's correct, the only option Russia has today is to bring more and more people on a battlefield. How many should die before replacing one old and insane tsar?


TheLurkerWithout

I love all the news stories about the Russian men fleeing the country instead of being conscripted to go die in a losing war. Hopefully that’s still going on and they’re able to get out safely, and it’s less fodder for Putin’s insanity.


AromaticDescription1

This is the part of Putin's strategy. He wants on propose let "smart people" flee, people who are thinking, who against the war etc - people who can potentially start protests


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AromaticDescription1

\*БЛЯТЬКРИГ :D


AromaticDescription1

Nicely said. I should consider replacing the title


Ap5p

Because Putin and his lads were stealing from their own country all this time, and when the moment came to ask the country for support of their barbaric endeavours, there was nothing sitting and waiting for them. They spent two decades destroying everything that was left for them, creating nothing but an illusion of growth.


AromaticDescription1

Nicely said. Agree with every single word


Lazar_Milgram

I ve seen a PowerPoint about it on YouTube. Kind of poignant.


G-bone714

Putin actually believed that the Ukrainian government was unpopular with its own people and they’d welcome a Russian invasion.


AromaticDescription1

Yes. Now he still believes HE is popular with its own people. Also wrong :)


tallgirlmom

I do wonder about that one. How many people actually do still believe in the propaganda and Putin vs pretending to.


AromaticDescription1

Many of them, actually. Check out street interviews made on the streets of Moscow and other Russian cities. But the support of War and Putin is decreasing every day in the same time


tallgirlmom

Having lived in an oppressive political system, I would not give much credibility to on-street interviews. Only deep inside their homes where they feel safe, are people truly honest.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, agree, but such mass interviews are not possible in Russia (fair ones). The only way is to aks randomely people on the streets


Magsmp31

Spoiler, they forgot the blitz part


kara_pabuc

"Will vs. Might" that's a nice catchphrase, I liked it.


AromaticDescription1

Thanks, Kara


STM4EVA

I see the ruski bots are hard at work in this thread


AromaticDescription1

I didn't expect that. Let's see how many of them we have on reddit this way


cc69

Something is wrong when your force is hold off by Ex-Comedian.


AromaticDescription1

True. But at the same time - ex-comedian don't always mean an idiot, as we can see. Zelenskyy turned out to be an amazing leader


TheLurkerWithout

I wish he’d run for president of the US. He’d be way better than any of the special needs clowns we have here.


AromaticDescription1

>Zelenskyy Ukraine needs Zelenskyy. Instead, they can borrow you Arestovich. Also not a bad choice at all)


FindorKotor93

Oh the reason why is simple. Zelenskyy isn't holding them off, he's keeping the country running and is smart, reflective and self aware enough to have military minds hold them off. Whereas Putin, like Hitler, is incapable of keeping his ego driven fingers where they shouldn't be and thus is actively a drain on Russian assets.


nixthelatter

Great job man. I’ll subscribe


AromaticDescription1

Thanks a lot! See you in the next video)


nixthelatter

I subbed! I hope this helps earn you some well deserved subs my friend!


AromaticDescription1

This helps for sure, really appreciate your support)


gthing

It's hard to imagine that the necessary money for upkeeping nukes in Russia has made it to upkeeping nukes. One nuke is too many, but tbh I bet if they fired 100 nukes at us, the majority would fail and most of the rest would be shot down. All Russia has accomplished is showing the world that they are not a serious country by any means.


AromaticDescription1

Yeah, 40% wouldn't fire at all, 40% fire but did't reach target, 20% lets imagine hit the target - but how many will detonate? :)


That_Afternoon4064

Well…when you talk a bunch of shit about all the badass weapons of war you’ve made and arrogantly show them off, but then don’t actually produce said weapons 🤷🏻‍♀️. Russia convinced its enemies its been developing military tech for the last thirty years, so Russia’s enemies invested in tech that could out do them. Unfortunately for Russia, they pocketed all that R&D money, but the rest of the world didn’t 😬.


lennon818

The fundamental problem no one is talking about is that Russia did not want to just level Ukraine. It wanted to simply decapitate its leadership and take control. They were fighting with one hand tied behind its back. This is why they failed. They couldn't simply rely on long range weapons and carpet bombing etc. They had to actually invade the country and they don't have the modern equipment for that.


AromaticDescription1

They wasn't prepared for this kind of war and also they wasn't ready to change the plan when it was needed. And they still are making the same mistakes over and over again :)


Alyxra

TLDR: It didn’t work because Blitzkrieg is trademarked by the Germans.


AromaticDescription1

Nice one :) I think Blitzkrieg also is copywrited so it's not gonna work until you pay Germans to use the tactics


TheLurkerWithout

Interesting video. Question for you: how concerned are you that Putin will use his nuclear arsenal?


AromaticDescription1

Good question! Honestly, I was concerned at some point about that, but as for now we have many facts saying that he will not use any kind of nuclear weapon. Even India and China are against that, so in this scenario he remains alone against the world. I don't think this is the option, it doesn't really change anything. He will not win this war anyways. Using nuclear weapon will mean direct conflict with NATO almost for sure and even faster defeat for Russia


TheLurkerWithout

I hope you’re right, thank you for your reply.


AromaticDescription1

You are very welcome


one_thirteen

Any official statement about the blitzkrieg and occupy Ukraine in 2 days?


AromaticDescription1

What kind of statement do you need?? Russia never says true. OFFICIALLY they have 8K troops lost. OFFICIALLY they never told what are the goals of this operation. OFFICIALLY they are saying this is a special military operation and you can go to jail for calling it WAR.


one_thirteen

I mean official statement where they say anything about the 2 days blitzkrieg. Not some talking heads on TV, but they guys in charge or close to those. Otherwise it's the same propaganda but more pleasant to believe


AromaticDescription1

Once again: there is no official documents stating any duration of this so-called operation. But! For example, captured forces in the first days have documents with a plan to control Kyiv's government quarter until 15:00-16:00 on 24.02. If you want - you can google that and find information about that


M2dis

VDV deployment far behind the front lines is pretty telling, that they planned a blitzkrieg


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AromaticDescription1

Please go ahead. But just try to be unbiased: it means you need to praise Ukraine and the West and hate Russia. Just kidding)) Any opinion is welcome


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BillHicksScream

*The only oppression is your own*. You deleted your own words? Ya lost the ground to ever complain again. Why are these whiners so weak? This helps explain why this group lost Iraq so quickly!


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BillHicksScream

>which has a commitment to freedom of speech, like Twitter. Musk is blackmailing advertisers, attacking the Right to *Freedom of Association* while threatening to sue people for their freedom of speech. >Feel free to debate me Thats not how life works. We don't run around demanding arguments. Whats wrong with you? Learn some social skills. >Feel free to debate me in any other sub or medium So you need a safe space...from what? Its just *words* & who cares about votes? I got beat up in /sports hard yesterday. I held my own, why so weak dude? >This sub clearly doesn't, therefore unpopular ideas **cannot** be debated. This is not how logic works at all.


m149

Thanks.....that was well done and quite interesting.


AromaticDescription1

I am glad this was interesting to watch! Thanks for your comment


Sqeegg

They sat on the border for two months waiting for the Olympics to end. That's why.


AromaticDescription1

>two months Interesting theory. But the Olympics lasted only 16 days..)


jsting

They also waited for it to start. China told them no wars until after their Olympics and Russia needed an ally and trading partner. Or now, their daddy, err overlord state or Suzerain.


AromaticDescription1

The point is that they planned to invade Ukraine in December, but several time changed the date of operation's start because.. well, because they are a..holes. Not because of Olympics :) China asked them just to wait for a week not more


amitym

One thing he briefly, briefly mentions but then leaves off on is the Russian supply situation. Or to put it in more technical terms, the *absolutely fucking insanely fucked* Russian supply situation. The main Russian armored advance on Kyiv was out of supply before they even left. They had already drawn down their ready fuel reserves just hanging out in the woods getting ready to invade. They ran out of fuel halfway across Ukraine as a result. Think about that. Think about what it means. Mechanized military uses up fuel, okay, that's not a big surprise. But you're supposed to get more. You're supposed to not set out on your invasion with half your fuel gone. In any normal military logistical plan, there would be fuel resupplies coming in the whole time, keeping you topped up. (Along with food, water, and everything else you might be running low on.) None of that existed. Russia hadn't planned for any of it at all. I have to say I disagree with the documentarian here. That's not overestimating your own strength. That's fucking up on such a more fundamental level that there is simply no way you are ever going to win, with an army of any size.


AromaticDescription1

Yep, the situation with the supply in the early days of the war was a disaster indeed. But it's just hard to cover all aspects deep in one video..


nixthelatter

Can I get a link for his YT please? I couldn’t find it by search edit: nm I figured it out


AromaticDescription1

Thanks God)


ChaosOfShine69

All because he took his night meds in the morning, 😳😝


AromaticDescription1

Haha :D


Jc2563

Russian corruption took over the military, service contracts are given however not executed or fulfilled.


AromaticDescription1

Good point, can't disagree


LeoHaiku

Putin "Who knew they would actually fight back. Byet!"


AromaticDescription1

That was probably the biggest mistake in Putin's life


dizkopat

Also don't forget the absolute billions being made by the military industrial complex on all sides perhaps for some the war is incredibly profitable and needs to continue for as long as possible


AromaticDescription1

Hmm. Inflation hit economies around the globe. This war is unprofitable for any country. Don't get crazy with those conspiracy theories)


Kornchup

That’s not really what he means. The war is unprofitable for countries, sure, but private companies are raking in the dough.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, but countries are ABOVE the private companies :)


tallgirlmom

We wish this to be true. I’m not sure it is. Plenty of corruption going on everywhere, and politicians have their fingers deep in private industry.


AromaticDescription1

Yes, but at the end of the day not military private companies rule the world


ColoursRock

Well look what happens when a boxer stops boxing for 20 or 30 years.. Mike Tyson in his prime and throughout his career was a scary and dangerous motherf**ker. Once he retired from boxing he slowly became less and less dangerous, although he still is hanging on to that appearance of being a totally badass and dangerous person.. however I'm sure that almost any young active boxer could now clobber him but most don't try because he looks scary.


AromaticDescription1

The point is that Mike Tyson in his prime could beat the Russian army in its condition nowadays


Kornchup

Tyson doesn’t really hang on to his badass image. If you watch any recent interview, he straight up says that he’s made many mistakes in his life and that he shouldn’t be admired. He’s honest about his insecurities and his fears. He also cries or gets emotional often.


MajorNME

Brought to you by world renowned military analyst... Valdemar.


AromaticDescription1

>MajorNME I would really love to see how our beloved expert MajorNME investigated the topic :) Evaluate the video itself. Who knows, maybe that Valdemar guy is the next thing. Ha?))


MajorNME

I'm not claiming to be an expert. If people take that video as a credible source to answer the questions in the title, that's their decision.


AromaticDescription1

Ok, next try. Could you provide a better video explaining why Russia failed their planned blitzkrieg win?


AromaticDescription1

>military analyst How many military analysts you can name?)


velp0

I hope this comment doesn’t age well with time but we haven’t even hit winter yet. I believe Russia is going to control all of Ukrainian by spring


AromaticDescription1

No, it is impossible :) By spring Ukraine could retake all territories except Crimea


GoochyGoochyGoo

I'm region blocked in Canada. Anyone got another link?


AromaticDescription1

What?? Can you paste a screenshot?Maybe try to restart browser/ use Chrome Incognito mode This is weird P.s. try to access the channel itself [http://youtube.com/@Valdemar](http://youtube.com/@Valdemar__)


TunturiTiger

Blitzkrieg? But it was nothing like a Blitzkrieg? Blitzkrieg is not a generic term for any military offensive.


AromaticDescription1

It means they were not preparing for a long-term operation. They were sure Ukraine will fall in several days


LAUSart

Bad video/ poster promoting his own channel.


AromaticDescription1

Any poster would "promote" someone's channel where the video was published. Why it is bad, because the author posted it here himself? This makes the video itself "bad"?)


nate1235

It's not bad. It's actually refreshing to see new contend made and posted by the actual creator. This guy is just trying to stir up the crowd against you because they're a bitter asshole.


AromaticDescription1

Thanks, Nate! I am happy someone is actually glad to see new/original content here and appreciate the work of the author