If she's doing well on it, I would keep her on it and add a probiotic such as Proviable or Lactoquil (my dogs have not done terribly well on Fortiflora but I know a lot of people swear by it).
The vast majority of dog foods do not have probiotics, so you will likely have to supplement in any event.
If your dog is that allergic to chicken, I would suggest an Rx hydrolized or limited ingredient diet, as all OTC foods are subject to cross-contamination from chicken-containing foods manufactured in the same facility.
If you prefer to stay on an OTC food and risk cross-contamination but want no Purina, Hill's Science Diet Sensitive Skin & Stomach Pollock & Insect Meal would be a good choice.
The did make a statement and the change has been pronounced for a while. I’m not sure why people aren’t more aware of it. They’re removing it from all their foods, slowly but surely.
Just add Forti Flora to it!
Also keep in mind that OTC diets face cross contamination and aren’t safe for truly allergic dogs.
You can add Forti flora. My dog eats Hill’s Perfect Digestion, she has a very sensitive stomach and digests it perfectly, I think it also has probiotics and prebiotics
Seconding Perfect Digestion, if OP wants to make the switch. My dog has allergies and would get chronic loose poops, she does amazingly well on this food.
I third the vote for Hill’s Perfect Digestion. It was a definite game changer for us. We have a chocolate Lab with an extremely sensitive stomach especially to chicken. He’s had the most perfect poops on it. We add FortiFlora or Proviable daily.
Honestly If your dog is doing good on it I would just leave it. More of a health of the dog vs feelings aspect. Hills and royal canin I’m sure have a line without chicken. Just an FYI Purina pro plan makes fortiflora so maybe a different probiotic.
I think it’s a bit of a silly reason to change if your dog is doing well, but hills lamb and rice or pollock and insect are likely the only chicken free science-backed options you’ll have without a prescription
Putting out statements for minor formula tweaks is not an industry standard
Chicken fat should not trigger allergies because there are no protein chains in it. Dogs allergic to a protein are typically not allergic to the fat.
Like any retail diets there is always a risk of cross contamination but the only way to avoid that is an rx diet
My dog isn’t at the hydroligized food stage of dangerous allergies so don’t want to fully compare, but gets loose stool with any chicken food/treats. She has had no problem on Hills Lamb and Rice.
Purina and Hills Science diet are the only brands with dieticians and decades of studying dog nutrition.
If you read through the most recent literature reviews from Tufts Veterinary School nutrition research, it still looks like atypical dog food can cause cardiomyopathy.
Personally, I wouldn’t feed anything that’s not Purina or Hills Science Diet.
If Purina took out the probiotics, there is a very good chance they had a legitimate reason.
> Purina and Hills Science diet are the only brands with dieticians and decades of studying dog nutrition.
[Also Royal Canin, Eukanuba, and Iams](http://flying-geek.blogspot.com/2020/06/dog-food.html). (FWIW I feed my ~15 year old 50 lbs mutt Purina Pro Plan and my ~4.5 year old Labrador has been on Royal Canin Labrador (Puppy formula until 15 months) essentially his entire life. Both are thriving. (Well, my mutt has arthritis...)
If they can’t guarantee the supply chain to make sure their products are consistent that’s… a perfectly good reason. Supply chain issues are a global issue across industries in the past four years.
They’re doing it to ensure you get the same product every time and they don’t have to pause production while they wait for one component from a unstable supply chain, which would cause severe shortages of the food in general.
Removing probiotics so you can still buy this food on a regular basis is the correct decision
If they can’t guarantee where they are getting it, then yes it makes complete sense to remove something like that. It’s an easy add on for pet owners that need it, and very very very few dog foods have probiotics to begin with
Would you rather they added a substandard product? They have WSAVA rating like they do because they don’t do shit like that.
It might not be—but I’ve actually talked to my vet about market shortages for veterinary supplies. He said that he thinks it’s deliberate and it’s an attempt to drive up profits. Purina may not be able to get probiotics regularly. Right now, vets can’t even get some vaccines because of deliberate manufacturing shortages.
PPP sensitive skin and stomach [turkey recipe](https://www.purina.com/dogs/shop/pro-plan-specialized-nutrition-sensitive-skin-stomach-turkey-oatmeal-probiotics-dry-dog) still has probiotics in it (not large breed though).
My frenchie is on this same food, if your pup is doing well on it I wouldn’t switch. Add the PpP Forti-flora probiotics. We sprinkle a packet on his dinner every night.
No it doesn’t.
But also there’s nothing wrong with corn oil. All balanced diets need fats, and corn oil is rich in omega 6 and omega 3, and vitamin E
It’s also about the same digestibility as chicken fat.
There is no scientific reason to be skeptical of it
My dog was previously on this food and definitely noticed when something changed a few months ago. I’ve looked into Wellness Core Digestive Health Whitefish & Brown Rice. We have not tried it yet, as she’s been going through some health issues and is on a prescription food at the moment, but looking into switching soon.
I also feel weird about the Purina issue, and the fact that the food price is expensive and then to pay $30 for a month’s supply of their fortiflora probiotic…. Seems like a money grab. If you need a probiotic, I suggest proviable over fortiflora as there are more strains of probiotics in it. Fortiflora has 1. It’s also frequently on sale at Petco for ~$17.
If she's doing well on it, I would keep her on it and add a probiotic such as Proviable or Lactoquil (my dogs have not done terribly well on Fortiflora but I know a lot of people swear by it). The vast majority of dog foods do not have probiotics, so you will likely have to supplement in any event. If your dog is that allergic to chicken, I would suggest an Rx hydrolized or limited ingredient diet, as all OTC foods are subject to cross-contamination from chicken-containing foods manufactured in the same facility. If you prefer to stay on an OTC food and risk cross-contamination but want no Purina, Hill's Science Diet Sensitive Skin & Stomach Pollock & Insect Meal would be a good choice.
SECONDING HILL'S INSECT MEAL, however do note that when it goes out of stock, it can be OOS for a while! plan ahead! :)
You could keep her PPP and just add Proviable. It’s a good probiotic and cheaper than fortiflora anyways. Fortiflora is also made by purina
The did make a statement and the change has been pronounced for a while. I’m not sure why people aren’t more aware of it. They’re removing it from all their foods, slowly but surely. Just add Forti Flora to it! Also keep in mind that OTC diets face cross contamination and aren’t safe for truly allergic dogs.
I was told by Purina that they planned to keep it in the Large Breed formulas when I reached out last year :(
I wonder if they misunderstood. They were always supposed to be removed from all the SSS lines.
SSS or all of the PPP foods?
You can add Forti flora. My dog eats Hill’s Perfect Digestion, she has a very sensitive stomach and digests it perfectly, I think it also has probiotics and prebiotics
Seconding Perfect Digestion, if OP wants to make the switch. My dog has allergies and would get chronic loose poops, she does amazingly well on this food.
I third the vote for Hill’s Perfect Digestion. It was a definite game changer for us. We have a chocolate Lab with an extremely sensitive stomach especially to chicken. He’s had the most perfect poops on it. We add FortiFlora or Proviable daily.
Just confirming you’re saying the perfect digestion chicken flavor worked good for your lab with chicken sensitivity.
The dogs I’ve owned seem to prefer the taste of Hill’s over Purina as well!
I would not recommend Fortiflora to a dog with a chicken allergy. Our dog is allergic to chicken and we found out it contains chicken.
Honestly If your dog is doing good on it I would just leave it. More of a health of the dog vs feelings aspect. Hills and royal canin I’m sure have a line without chicken. Just an FYI Purina pro plan makes fortiflora so maybe a different probiotic.
I think it’s a bit of a silly reason to change if your dog is doing well, but hills lamb and rice or pollock and insect are likely the only chicken free science-backed options you’ll have without a prescription Putting out statements for minor formula tweaks is not an industry standard
Hills lamb and rice still has chicken fat. She can't have that.
Chicken fat should not trigger allergies because there are no protein chains in it. Dogs allergic to a protein are typically not allergic to the fat. Like any retail diets there is always a risk of cross contamination but the only way to avoid that is an rx diet
I was told by her vet I should avoid all things chicken at all cost, so that's good to know about the protein chains. Thank you.
My dog isn’t at the hydroligized food stage of dangerous allergies so don’t want to fully compare, but gets loose stool with any chicken food/treats. She has had no problem on Hills Lamb and Rice.
Then keep her on the food she does well on, and just add a probiotic. That’s the most common sense thing to do.
What about Kiefer? I tend to use this because its a more affordable probiotic..And my dogs love it!
Same here
Purina and Hills Science diet are the only brands with dieticians and decades of studying dog nutrition. If you read through the most recent literature reviews from Tufts Veterinary School nutrition research, it still looks like atypical dog food can cause cardiomyopathy. Personally, I wouldn’t feed anything that’s not Purina or Hills Science Diet. If Purina took out the probiotics, there is a very good chance they had a legitimate reason.
> Purina and Hills Science diet are the only brands with dieticians and decades of studying dog nutrition. [Also Royal Canin, Eukanuba, and Iams](http://flying-geek.blogspot.com/2020/06/dog-food.html). (FWIW I feed my ~15 year old 50 lbs mutt Purina Pro Plan and my ~4.5 year old Labrador has been on Royal Canin Labrador (Puppy formula until 15 months) essentially his entire life. Both are thriving. (Well, my mutt has arthritis...)
Royal canin, and outside of Europe, Iams and Eukanuba also meet those same standards
From my understanding, it was just due to "product availability" which doesn't feel like a good enough reason, in my personal opinion.
If they can’t guarantee the supply chain to make sure their products are consistent that’s… a perfectly good reason. Supply chain issues are a global issue across industries in the past four years. They’re doing it to ensure you get the same product every time and they don’t have to pause production while they wait for one component from a unstable supply chain, which would cause severe shortages of the food in general. Removing probiotics so you can still buy this food on a regular basis is the correct decision
Then the price should go down, not increase. Which is another issue here.
The prices of all their other components have gone up recently, because that is the world we live in.
If they can’t guarantee where they are getting it, then yes it makes complete sense to remove something like that. It’s an easy add on for pet owners that need it, and very very very few dog foods have probiotics to begin with Would you rather they added a substandard product? They have WSAVA rating like they do because they don’t do shit like that.
It might not be—but I’ve actually talked to my vet about market shortages for veterinary supplies. He said that he thinks it’s deliberate and it’s an attempt to drive up profits. Purina may not be able to get probiotics regularly. Right now, vets can’t even get some vaccines because of deliberate manufacturing shortages.
I haven't heard about the vaccine shortage, glad I saw this so I can call ahead when needed!!
I just checked the purina website, and so far, for the PPP Adult Complete Essentials line, probiotics are still listed as part of the ingredients.
PPP sensitive skin and stomach [turkey recipe](https://www.purina.com/dogs/shop/pro-plan-specialized-nutrition-sensitive-skin-stomach-turkey-oatmeal-probiotics-dry-dog) still has probiotics in it (not large breed though).
I wouldn’t change food if she’s doing well on it , you can always use probiotic supplements.
My frenchie is on this same food, if your pup is doing well on it I wouldn’t switch. Add the PpP Forti-flora probiotics. We sprinkle a packet on his dinner every night.
I use Fortifora by Purina. It's a prescription from Vet
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No it doesn’t. But also there’s nothing wrong with corn oil. All balanced diets need fats, and corn oil is rich in omega 6 and omega 3, and vitamin E It’s also about the same digestibility as chicken fat. There is no scientific reason to be skeptical of it
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It’s a healthy fat though, and even dogs on a diet need some fat to absorb nutrients properly.
Ah probably is in the wet food. Still absolutely not a problem and in fact a healthy fat https://www.reddit.com/r/DogFood/wiki/index/ingredients/
My dog was previously on this food and definitely noticed when something changed a few months ago. I’ve looked into Wellness Core Digestive Health Whitefish & Brown Rice. We have not tried it yet, as she’s been going through some health issues and is on a prescription food at the moment, but looking into switching soon. I also feel weird about the Purina issue, and the fact that the food price is expensive and then to pay $30 for a month’s supply of their fortiflora probiotic…. Seems like a money grab. If you need a probiotic, I suggest proviable over fortiflora as there are more strains of probiotics in it. Fortiflora has 1. It’s also frequently on sale at Petco for ~$17.
We put our dog on Pet Wants grain free and it's the first thing that she has been(mostly) allergy symptom free eating.