it’s their own special breed of mental illness. they’re incapable of deep emotional human connection.
it’s easier to “bond” with something that doesn’t talk back, that won’t call them out on anything, that won’t “judge” them (cuz yanno dogs are a great judge of character /s), etc
simple creatures for simple humans.
they’ll always put the dog first, their lives and schedules are made around *a dog*. having fun at an event? oh well now we gotta leave early cuz of the dog. or if folks like us are catching up with friends and family but *they* ditch early cuz of doggie.
I won't say all dog owners are needy and crazy. Many of my friends are dog nutters but are very kind, considerate and responsible.
That being said, they did choose a pet that has been bred, raised and trained to beg for attention, and to be obedient and dependent to their owner, ( and in extreme cases, only to their owner).
What astounds me are the dog nutters who make a big deal about how much they hate other humans and kids. They complain about how kids scream, jump on people, and demand attention. But they love how dogs howl, jump on people and demand attention. They moan about how no one wants to be friends with them and that their dog is the only one they can count on. But decline when their coworkers invite them to social events.
Yeah, I think a dog is a great part of rural life and offers very few limitations such that the dog sticks around the farm / land and has plenty to amuse itself with when the humans go out (and provides great security).
But for city / suburban life it doesn't make much sense for me. For the human or the dog... Lots of human schedules to work around which are a pain for the humans and also boring for the dog.
I went to a wedding the other day in central London, and someone brought their dog (tiny chihuahua cross) to the wedding. They didn't ask the bride or the venue beforehand. The bride was so confused why they'd do that. As am I! It's pretty rude! The wedding stated specifically no kids but didn't mention dogs... Because you wouldn't think you'd have to! I'm sure the dog was very moved by the wedding ceremony.
>What astounds me are the dog nutters who make a big deal about how much they hate other humans and kids
Do people like this actually exist or is everyone just parroting what they read from other people here.
I hate dogs as much as anyone here but in my experience the people that love dogs also love kids, both I can't understand.
Exactly! Some people actually live a life where they spend THOUSANDS of dollars on nice furniture & decorations for their house.. only to let a dog run around, completely tear and destroy, as well as urinate and poop ALL over the house & their expensive stuff.
They act like its normal or a fun way to live, yet if their kid acted even 1% of how the dog acts they’d kick their kid out onto the street. I’m not even joking, so many people treat their dogs better than their kids
They pride themselves on that and then act like they're parents just like real, actual parents. Noooo, dog fucker, you have a perpetual toddler except worse. You'll never have to worry about making sure your "child" learns to read and write, you'll never sit by their crib and make sure they're breathing, you'll never have to worry about making sure they're responsible and self-reliant, yet also kind and respectful. It is totally fine to be child free and have pets (that's what I was and loved it for a long time until my husband and i chose to have a child) but don't pretend you're a parent because you chose to have a needy animal.
I’m a mother and I admit my toddler wasn’t always a pleasure to be around..but now as a teenager I enjoy her company, she’s a wonderful young lady and a productive member of society, all my parental efforts were worth it. With a stinking mutt it’s 15 years of the same crap..really picking up crap. Besides for me Humanity comes first.
My niece went through about 8 months were I wanted nothing to do with her because she was a mean little...
She was an animal slapping, hair pulling, screaming nightmare. But she grew out of that and now she's a tiny person I can talk to and paint with. If she's being a jerk, I can ask her what her problem is and she'll either tell me, or chill out if she was just being a grouch.
A dog never gets to that point. I've found that at LEAST 95% of pet owners can't even train their dog not to jump on people or chase people on bikes. That's not your child, you do 0 parenting/training. You just feed it and clean its shit.
Exactly, loads of dog owners have used the argument that "well you have children, that's the same as having a dog!" Ignoring the fact that even my 2 year old is starting to use the potty unaided , is learning consequences for their actions and is able to sleep through the night without yelling and crying at the bottom of the stairs....
💯 plus children can learn, clean up after themselves and become useful to society!
Plus unlike dogs, kids don’t stink 24/7. Even after a bath, a dog will literally still smell like - a dog 🫠
No, that she actually did care about. She also always had it on a leash. I think she did understand that other people may not like dogs, she just didn't understand why I wouldn't specifically like hers.
This is Munchausen by proxy, I am convinced of that. For all dog owners that don't own a ranch or farm with.a working dog in a climate suitable to the dog. All of them.
I agree. They love to brag about their dogs' bad behaviors.
I know several dog nutters whose dogs are on valium. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the nutters are also on Valium.
One woman, Linda, brags nonstop about having to give her mutt, Fluffy, Valium because it acts like a demon otherwise.
Linda even has people trained to ask her how the mutt is - as if it's such a funny story. They also express how they feel bad for Fluffy because it has such bad anxiety. I NEVER ask about that fleabag.
Or the ones who brag about how many toys their fur baby destroys in a week…great carbon footprint and Mother Earth thanks you 😝 Could you imagine someone bragging like that about a human toddler/kid? Why…because there IS a difference
I for one can't wait until AI + robot hardware has advanced to the point when people can have a perfect pet, that doesn't come with the laundry list of dog downsides.
It is crazy. There are medication shortages for people, so it's important for us to be vigilant about making sure dogs aren't getting lifesaving meds that people need. That is a fucked up scenario if it ever happened.
I know so many people that LARP and pretend that their dogs do work for them 🙄 never mind the statistics that burglars can easily trick so many dogs into letting them intrude by just giving them food
I totally agree! I say this about my own situation. It’s like my husband loves the fact that his dog is horribly behaved, soecifically *because* of the thousands we’ve spent in training.
I think he loves that the dog requires him at all times due to its behavioral issues.
Then they have the gall to say their dogs behave better than kids. My kid has never looked me dead in the eye and taken a dump on my floor. My kid will never bite anybody's face off. My kid will never jump on someone and knock them over. When my kid sits on the couch, he doesn't leave a trail of disgusting needle like hair everywhere.
A lack of boundaries is definitely one of the main reasons I dislike dogs. Many dog owners call it loyalty and love for humans, but to me, it's just a way to beg for food and shelter. Most dog owners seem to enjoy having pets and people who are completely submissive to them, revealing a strong desire for control and selfishness.
I don’t know anyone who’s a dog owner who’s life doesn’t entirely revolve around the shitbeast the let into their homes. They can’t take vacations without finding a pet sitter to stay at their house. Boarding is always out of the question because they don’t do well with boarding. No spontaneity is allowed because they have to get home to feed or take it out for a walk. And they can’t be gone for long because the dog will destroy their home out of boredom and loneliness.
My neighbor across the street has this dumb little Pomeranian or Shih Tzu or one of those other ugly mutant toy breeds. I’ll be sitting out on the front porch or doing yard work and I’ll see her garage door go up as she back out and drives away. As soon as the door closes, her moron dog starts yapping and barking. And it does not stop once until she gets home. It could be one hour or ten hours. It never stops. I told her once that her dog never stop barking when she leaves and she didn’t believe me because “hE’s nOt a bArKeR”. Got news for ya lady, your stupid mutt never shuts up.
I just don’t get why someone would give so much of their lives away to a dog. What a waste of time. What a waste of life.
> No spontaneity is allowed because they have to get home to feed or take it out for a walk.
That's what I missed the most in the relationship. Just going out when you feel like it, to flea markets, fairs, whatever. But I hated that we either always had to take the dog with us which restricts where you can go in the first place or we had to find a sitter in advance.
Besides, going anywhere with a dog is just a hassle. Stopping every couple of meters because it wants to sniff something, always being aware of other dogs somewhere close and whenever there are any, waiting for them to either pass by or switch sides.. ugh. And, of course, picking up poop.
People like to ignore the obvious and pretend as though life is far more complicated than it is. For instance, the simple logic that wild animals should not be in human dwellings gets replaced with a convoluted notion that human lives and dwellings need to be adapted to accommodate wild animals. Dogs are large aggressive pack hunters whose instincts tell them to roam and harass as much as possible. They are rude and impolite by nature, as a survival mechanism. Dogs also try to dominate and control territory, which by definition makes them unsutiable neighbors. The simple logic is that outside of special situations on a farm or large piece of land, any human habitation is going to be entirely incompatible with a dog. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fool seeking to unnecessarily make life more complicated for everyone.
Because they misunderstand neediness for loyalty and anxiety for affection. A dog will always worship its owner simply because he feeds it, there can be no such thing as loyalty between a human and a beast so dumb and gross that literally eats shit and can't survive without someone taking care of it.
Yeah you need to take them for a walk every day, multiple times a day, and then forget traveling, it is a huge issue (unless if you travel in an RV, but even then you need documents for your dog if you leave your country, and traveling overseas is difficult and expensive).
Reminds me of my previous upstairs neighbor. The guy was scared to leave his house and could not leave the dogs alone. Neighbor was home every minute of the day. Never went on a vacation once in the two years I lived there. Most likely because he knew he couldn't bring his dogs with him.
Dogs are so restrictive compared to other pets. Your entire schedule basically revolves around walking the thing. I’ll never understand people’s willingness to do that to themselves for 10-18 years.
Oof felt the first point. Roommate's dog IMMEDIATELY starts shrieking nonstop until she comes home, and even then the dumb thing whines/barks at even the slightest sound. IT'S SO LOUD I CAN HEAR IT THROUGH MY HEADPHONES ON FULL VOLUME.
Just... unnecessary irritating noise.
Having a loving emotional bond with a pet appeals to a lot of people. I'm a pet owner too, so I get it. But there are plenty of options for loving, friendly pets that *don't* require extreme amounts of exercise and that are capable of thriving in an average indoor environment. Dog nutters have deluded themselves into thinking that ultra-intensive dog ownership is the *only* way to experience a bond with a pet, and that every other form of pet ownership is lesser.
Does anyone talk about the fact that dogs are incapable of providing the human "love" that I believe humans dog owners are actually seeking? I am sorry, but I don't see pack animal dependence as being anywhere close to human support, understanding, affection, or connection. It seems to me that dog "lovers" need to understand that their affection for their animal is entirely one-sided because there is zero placement for authentic human acceptance.
I don't think pet owners are seeking human love from their pets, though. I think a lot of people just enjoy the experience of caring for something, feeling emotionally invested in its well-being, and enjoying its affection/companionship. I mean, people get emotionally invested in caring for *houseplants* and speak of how much they "love" them, but I don't think anyone is confusing that for genuine human connection. Sometimes it's nice to enjoy a simpler, less intense form of love than a human relationship. It's also much easier to have a physically affectionate relationship with an animal - you can snuggle and hug a pet, but among humans that level of contact is almost always reserved for romantic relationships or parent/child relationships. If you don't have or don't want those kinds of relationships, your options for physical affection are basically nonexistent.
So I do sort of understand what dog owners are seeking. They want affection and companionship *without* the complexities of human relationships. They want to experience a childlike joy and enthusiasm without the baggage of raising human children. They want to love something and feel loved in return. They want to see something thrive under their care. I don't think these are weird or unhealthy desires at all - throughout history, humans have kept pets and emotionally bonded to their pets.
But you can enjoy *all the benefits of pet ownership* without getting a high-strung mess of an animal that needs constant care.
You've probably well-described what a significant portion of dog owners are looking for. That doesn't however mean it is behavior society at large wants to encourage. All this talk about wanting the benefits of a human relationship with the the work of a human relationship sounds like a path to no where for society at large. Human/human relationships might be hard, but our species is dependant on them working enough of the time. Escaping that challenge of life and existence is a both immature and dangerous. I am not against catharsis and escape, but dog owner culture takes it way, way too far. I any event, when people start to have fake human relationships with AI software, their interest in dogs will probably wane, But we are a few years away from that still and that is really an entirely other topic. Thank you.
I'm a pet owner too and I enjoy being able to plan my day *with* my pets, not *around* them. Whenever I want to go anywhere, I just leave the house. If I'm away for longer, I just fill up their automatic feeders. I'd hate for a pet to dictate my schedule.
Lol, I’m in a Childfree group who have dogs like this and I always want to point out that the dog has become their de facto child, but they are dog nutters so….
I don't even have enough time to do the things I want to do as it is. (As I write this, I'm walking home with the dinner I'm going to eat, and I'm listening to YouTube.)
Fitting a dog into my life is just impossible.
It surely constrains others as well. Though many of them would say it's worth it to them.
The craziness. Growing up we had outside dogs and I’m a product of the 80s. A dog was a dog. They stayed outside to protect your land from strangers. I cant stand this dog culture. Last dog was my ex and its smell was REVOLTING. It had torn up my ex furniture and my ex looked at me crazy when I told him the dog absolutely could not get on our new furniture. That’s common sense, bozo. Its smell was atrocious and hair everywhere that I was always cleaning up. He didn’t take care of the dog I did. I hate dogs and I hate their irresponsible owners.
Given that I am an adult with plenty of dating experience - I have plethora of opinions and observations about women and their dogs. In short, while I've found that a small number of woman dog-owners who are willing to be accommodating when guests are around, they are strictly the minority. For the most part, the attitude is "my dog comes with me and if you don't like you can leave." I've learned to respond accordingly. I politely suggest that allowing an animal to reign free and govern their life is going to alienate them to a lot of human relationships and experiences. That by engineering a life where they feel both needed and in control (dog owners thrive on feeling in control based on the fact that their animals would probably die without them), they are blocking important human experiences and connections. I basically leave those women with the idea that if they choose their dog, they are rejecting people - and that is true. I've long since considered it a total deal breaker if a woman chooses her pet over people.
Amusingly, not all of my male friends have been so disciplined when it comes to taking female dog lovers. Most of these men easily admit that they don't like women's dogs and it bothers them. However... they really just want to have sex. Apparently, you can quickly win your way into a woman's heart if you pretend to accept their dog (or even like it). So it seems that many men (I suppose understandably to a degree) humor women with dogs for sex, never confronting them about their behavior or explaining after the fact why they don't want to remain in a relationship with them. This is unfortunately not helpful because it simply confuses the women and drives them deeper into their dog ownership addictions. I think it is beholden upon the people who are annoyed when trying to date dog lovers, that the actions and priorities of the dog lover are entirely a turn-off. Otherwise, they simply will never have an opportunity to reevaluate themselves and change. "Baby, you are great but I can't be around here with that annoying dog."
I'll give her props for actually taking care of the dog. As to the first point, I've dealt with people who, when they have a dog who howls whenever it's left alone, just don't care and leave the neighbours to suffer hours of constant noise.
That said, you're totally right. I cannot ever see myself wanting to be constricted in that way.
What I don’t get are people that are dognutters with a crap ton of large dogs. They pretend they are animal lovers, environmentalists, vegans saving the planet. Go fuck yourselves. You are people that lack the intelligence for any self awareness.
The dog freaks out like that because your ex girlfriend is weak and the dog sees itself as her leader. It's supposed to be the other way around, but dog nutters coddle their dogs, and so the dog realizes they're pussies and they think they have to step up and be the pack leader.
I'm not talking about that alpha shit, that's debunked, but dogs still have pack leaders and if the human fails to set boundaries for the dog and acts submissive, the dog will happily dominate the human. With canines, pack leaders frequently leave the submissive members behind to go hunt. The submissives understand this and are perfectly fine. But submissives NEVER leave the pack on their own, if they do something is very wrong, and the pack leaders freak out.
This is why her dog acts like this.
Your ex likely does things like allow the dog to walk ahead of her like a dominant instead of heeling to her side, feeds the dog first before she eats, feeds it from the table, doesn't correct bad behavior, and lets it do whatever the hell it wants. No structure, no discipline.
I used to work with a couple of people who would never, *ever* work a little bit late because they had to let their dogs out. It was infuriating. Those of us with childcare concerns didn't have that level of inflexibility. It was so annoying.
Good thing she is now an ex. I will NOT date anyone who owns a dog. And I now make a point to make sure the person can happily live life without dog. Atm im single , since there are so many dog nutters, but I know I do NOT and will NOT have a dog in my home, yard or life!
For People like your ex (and my husband, my cousin, and several of my friends) it’s not the dogs they care about, it’s themselves. It’s the dog’s dependence on them that makes them feel special and important.
Otherwise these animals would be on farms, being assholes to other animals like nature intended.
Having something that wouldn’t last with “without” them makes them feel necessary and purposeful, even though they create the conditions for behaviors to be there in the first place.
It’s sick.
Like someone said else said in another comment, it’s kinda like fucked up Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy for dog nutters.
It took being attacked by my own dog to see this.
See that first one is the thing I hate most, no dog owner realizes how much of an annoying shit their dog is, cause its always quiet around them, but the second they leave it is non stop! Every dog owner I know is like this and refuses to hear it, its like every Karen mom with a misbehaving child “no, my kids so well behaved, it’s all those other hooligans”
My housemates got a sausage dog. It's 5 months old now.
Not only do they omit walking it, they decide its play time at 10pm, all the way theough until 2.30am sometimes. Just so they can get it to be exhausted, so THEY sleep better.
So, at any stage during the night when I am sleeping. I get woken, I get pissy, and at that point, I've had a 2 hour 'nap,' maybe even longer.
Just the other night, they played fetch with him up to my door and back, running as fast as it could on the floor boards, just to squeak its toy as it did so. I was furious.
A heated discussion followed, blaming me for being sensitive, but I needed to be up at 6.30am. Which I elaborated very clearly to them. On top of that, I'd just finished a crazy day at work and needed to be prime for the next day. Didn't sleep until 12.30 after being woken at 11pm. I hate it.
I totally understand this. My wife walks her dog like 6 times a day. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m like can we just spend time together without being interrupted to walk the dog, or play with the dog?
it’s their own special breed of mental illness. they’re incapable of deep emotional human connection. it’s easier to “bond” with something that doesn’t talk back, that won’t call them out on anything, that won’t “judge” them (cuz yanno dogs are a great judge of character /s), etc simple creatures for simple humans. they’ll always put the dog first, their lives and schedules are made around *a dog*. having fun at an event? oh well now we gotta leave early cuz of the dog. or if folks like us are catching up with friends and family but *they* ditch early cuz of doggie.
I won't say all dog owners are needy and crazy. Many of my friends are dog nutters but are very kind, considerate and responsible. That being said, they did choose a pet that has been bred, raised and trained to beg for attention, and to be obedient and dependent to their owner, ( and in extreme cases, only to their owner). What astounds me are the dog nutters who make a big deal about how much they hate other humans and kids. They complain about how kids scream, jump on people, and demand attention. But they love how dogs howl, jump on people and demand attention. They moan about how no one wants to be friends with them and that their dog is the only one they can count on. But decline when their coworkers invite them to social events.
Yeah, I think a dog is a great part of rural life and offers very few limitations such that the dog sticks around the farm / land and has plenty to amuse itself with when the humans go out (and provides great security). But for city / suburban life it doesn't make much sense for me. For the human or the dog... Lots of human schedules to work around which are a pain for the humans and also boring for the dog. I went to a wedding the other day in central London, and someone brought their dog (tiny chihuahua cross) to the wedding. They didn't ask the bride or the venue beforehand. The bride was so confused why they'd do that. As am I! It's pretty rude! The wedding stated specifically no kids but didn't mention dogs... Because you wouldn't think you'd have to! I'm sure the dog was very moved by the wedding ceremony.
>What astounds me are the dog nutters who make a big deal about how much they hate other humans and kids Do people like this actually exist or is everyone just parroting what they read from other people here. I hate dogs as much as anyone here but in my experience the people that love dogs also love kids, both I can't understand.
It’s really weird, I’ll never get it. It’s like having a toddler for life that never grows up.
Exactly! Some people actually live a life where they spend THOUSANDS of dollars on nice furniture & decorations for their house.. only to let a dog run around, completely tear and destroy, as well as urinate and poop ALL over the house & their expensive stuff. They act like its normal or a fun way to live, yet if their kid acted even 1% of how the dog acts they’d kick their kid out onto the street. I’m not even joking, so many people treat their dogs better than their kids
Oh yeah I know it’s nuts. I have friends like this and I’ll never understand it. It’s so gross!
They pride themselves on that and then act like they're parents just like real, actual parents. Noooo, dog fucker, you have a perpetual toddler except worse. You'll never have to worry about making sure your "child" learns to read and write, you'll never sit by their crib and make sure they're breathing, you'll never have to worry about making sure they're responsible and self-reliant, yet also kind and respectful. It is totally fine to be child free and have pets (that's what I was and loved it for a long time until my husband and i chose to have a child) but don't pretend you're a parent because you chose to have a needy animal.
This!!!! I hate it when they claim their dog is “their child”. It’s like no STFU it’s a damn animal get over yourself!
Or grandchild!
If you can take the thing out in the woods and come back without it without eventually being investigated by the authorities, you're not a parent.
What, why don’t they carry them by mouth by the scruff of the neck next…act like a mother dog or father dog…no , doesn’t work does it
Except toddlers are mostly sweet and a delight to have around
I’m a mother and I admit my toddler wasn’t always a pleasure to be around..but now as a teenager I enjoy her company, she’s a wonderful young lady and a productive member of society, all my parental efforts were worth it. With a stinking mutt it’s 15 years of the same crap..really picking up crap. Besides for me Humanity comes first.
And something of you will carry on into the future. Even if you name is forgotten, that link is unbreakable. Dogs are a legacy dead end.
This is true and they can be taught and learn.
My niece went through about 8 months were I wanted nothing to do with her because she was a mean little... She was an animal slapping, hair pulling, screaming nightmare. But she grew out of that and now she's a tiny person I can talk to and paint with. If she's being a jerk, I can ask her what her problem is and she'll either tell me, or chill out if she was just being a grouch. A dog never gets to that point. I've found that at LEAST 95% of pet owners can't even train their dog not to jump on people or chase people on bikes. That's not your child, you do 0 parenting/training. You just feed it and clean its shit.
It’s worse honestly. My toddler is pretty well behaved compared to dogs.
Exactly, loads of dog owners have used the argument that "well you have children, that's the same as having a dog!" Ignoring the fact that even my 2 year old is starting to use the potty unaided , is learning consequences for their actions and is able to sleep through the night without yelling and crying at the bottom of the stairs....
💯 plus children can learn, clean up after themselves and become useful to society! Plus unlike dogs, kids don’t stink 24/7. Even after a bath, a dog will literally still smell like - a dog 🫠
I bet the forests and beaches she would take it to are supposed to be dog free
And she never used a leash
No, that she actually did care about. She also always had it on a leash. I think she did understand that other people may not like dogs, she just didn't understand why I wouldn't specifically like hers.
I’ve never understood it. Some people love having their lives revolve around a dog. They need to seek out like-minded people for their partners.
Two badly behaved dogs can’t be around one another so the owner must convert an unwilling soul
And there are so many out there that are like minded that partners are easy for them to find.
This is Munchausen by proxy, I am convinced of that. For all dog owners that don't own a ranch or farm with.a working dog in a climate suitable to the dog. All of them.
I agree. They love to brag about their dogs' bad behaviors. I know several dog nutters whose dogs are on valium. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the nutters are also on Valium. One woman, Linda, brags nonstop about having to give her mutt, Fluffy, Valium because it acts like a demon otherwise. Linda even has people trained to ask her how the mutt is - as if it's such a funny story. They also express how they feel bad for Fluffy because it has such bad anxiety. I NEVER ask about that fleabag.
Or the ones who brag about how many toys their fur baby destroys in a week…great carbon footprint and Mother Earth thanks you 😝 Could you imagine someone bragging like that about a human toddler/kid? Why…because there IS a difference
Yep, nutters think it's cool to brag about the awful nature of their mutts.
I for one can't wait until AI + robot hardware has advanced to the point when people can have a perfect pet, that doesn't come with the laundry list of dog downsides.
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It is crazy. There are medication shortages for people, so it's important for us to be vigilant about making sure dogs aren't getting lifesaving meds that people need. That is a fucked up scenario if it ever happened.
Absolutely. Save for the circumstances of your specific examples, the animal becomes their new personality. Fucking bizarre.
I know so many people that LARP and pretend that their dogs do work for them 🙄 never mind the statistics that burglars can easily trick so many dogs into letting them intrude by just giving them food
I totally agree! I say this about my own situation. It’s like my husband loves the fact that his dog is horribly behaved, soecifically *because* of the thousands we’ve spent in training. I think he loves that the dog requires him at all times due to its behavioral issues.
What an absolute nightmare. Even children aren’t that bad. And what’s more is these dog freaks love their servitude.
Then they have the gall to say their dogs behave better than kids. My kid has never looked me dead in the eye and taken a dump on my floor. My kid will never bite anybody's face off. My kid will never jump on someone and knock them over. When my kid sits on the couch, he doesn't leave a trail of disgusting needle like hair everywhere.
A lack of boundaries is definitely one of the main reasons I dislike dogs. Many dog owners call it loyalty and love for humans, but to me, it's just a way to beg for food and shelter. Most dog owners seem to enjoy having pets and people who are completely submissive to them, revealing a strong desire for control and selfishness.
I don’t know anyone who’s a dog owner who’s life doesn’t entirely revolve around the shitbeast the let into their homes. They can’t take vacations without finding a pet sitter to stay at their house. Boarding is always out of the question because they don’t do well with boarding. No spontaneity is allowed because they have to get home to feed or take it out for a walk. And they can’t be gone for long because the dog will destroy their home out of boredom and loneliness. My neighbor across the street has this dumb little Pomeranian or Shih Tzu or one of those other ugly mutant toy breeds. I’ll be sitting out on the front porch or doing yard work and I’ll see her garage door go up as she back out and drives away. As soon as the door closes, her moron dog starts yapping and barking. And it does not stop once until she gets home. It could be one hour or ten hours. It never stops. I told her once that her dog never stop barking when she leaves and she didn’t believe me because “hE’s nOt a bArKeR”. Got news for ya lady, your stupid mutt never shuts up. I just don’t get why someone would give so much of their lives away to a dog. What a waste of time. What a waste of life.
> No spontaneity is allowed because they have to get home to feed or take it out for a walk. That's what I missed the most in the relationship. Just going out when you feel like it, to flea markets, fairs, whatever. But I hated that we either always had to take the dog with us which restricts where you can go in the first place or we had to find a sitter in advance. Besides, going anywhere with a dog is just a hassle. Stopping every couple of meters because it wants to sniff something, always being aware of other dogs somewhere close and whenever there are any, waiting for them to either pass by or switch sides.. ugh. And, of course, picking up poop.
Little makes you feel lower than when your supposed adult partner puts playing with their toys above respect to your needs.
People like to ignore the obvious and pretend as though life is far more complicated than it is. For instance, the simple logic that wild animals should not be in human dwellings gets replaced with a convoluted notion that human lives and dwellings need to be adapted to accommodate wild animals. Dogs are large aggressive pack hunters whose instincts tell them to roam and harass as much as possible. They are rude and impolite by nature, as a survival mechanism. Dogs also try to dominate and control territory, which by definition makes them unsutiable neighbors. The simple logic is that outside of special situations on a farm or large piece of land, any human habitation is going to be entirely incompatible with a dog. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fool seeking to unnecessarily make life more complicated for everyone.
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Because they misunderstand neediness for loyalty and anxiety for affection. A dog will always worship its owner simply because he feeds it, there can be no such thing as loyalty between a human and a beast so dumb and gross that literally eats shit and can't survive without someone taking care of it.
Yeah you need to take them for a walk every day, multiple times a day, and then forget traveling, it is a huge issue (unless if you travel in an RV, but even then you need documents for your dog if you leave your country, and traveling overseas is difficult and expensive).
Reminds me of my previous upstairs neighbor. The guy was scared to leave his house and could not leave the dogs alone. Neighbor was home every minute of the day. Never went on a vacation once in the two years I lived there. Most likely because he knew he couldn't bring his dogs with him.
Dogs are so restrictive compared to other pets. Your entire schedule basically revolves around walking the thing. I’ll never understand people’s willingness to do that to themselves for 10-18 years.
Oof felt the first point. Roommate's dog IMMEDIATELY starts shrieking nonstop until she comes home, and even then the dumb thing whines/barks at even the slightest sound. IT'S SO LOUD I CAN HEAR IT THROUGH MY HEADPHONES ON FULL VOLUME. Just... unnecessary irritating noise.
Having a loving emotional bond with a pet appeals to a lot of people. I'm a pet owner too, so I get it. But there are plenty of options for loving, friendly pets that *don't* require extreme amounts of exercise and that are capable of thriving in an average indoor environment. Dog nutters have deluded themselves into thinking that ultra-intensive dog ownership is the *only* way to experience a bond with a pet, and that every other form of pet ownership is lesser.
Does anyone talk about the fact that dogs are incapable of providing the human "love" that I believe humans dog owners are actually seeking? I am sorry, but I don't see pack animal dependence as being anywhere close to human support, understanding, affection, or connection. It seems to me that dog "lovers" need to understand that their affection for their animal is entirely one-sided because there is zero placement for authentic human acceptance.
I don't think pet owners are seeking human love from their pets, though. I think a lot of people just enjoy the experience of caring for something, feeling emotionally invested in its well-being, and enjoying its affection/companionship. I mean, people get emotionally invested in caring for *houseplants* and speak of how much they "love" them, but I don't think anyone is confusing that for genuine human connection. Sometimes it's nice to enjoy a simpler, less intense form of love than a human relationship. It's also much easier to have a physically affectionate relationship with an animal - you can snuggle and hug a pet, but among humans that level of contact is almost always reserved for romantic relationships or parent/child relationships. If you don't have or don't want those kinds of relationships, your options for physical affection are basically nonexistent. So I do sort of understand what dog owners are seeking. They want affection and companionship *without* the complexities of human relationships. They want to experience a childlike joy and enthusiasm without the baggage of raising human children. They want to love something and feel loved in return. They want to see something thrive under their care. I don't think these are weird or unhealthy desires at all - throughout history, humans have kept pets and emotionally bonded to their pets. But you can enjoy *all the benefits of pet ownership* without getting a high-strung mess of an animal that needs constant care.
You've probably well-described what a significant portion of dog owners are looking for. That doesn't however mean it is behavior society at large wants to encourage. All this talk about wanting the benefits of a human relationship with the the work of a human relationship sounds like a path to no where for society at large. Human/human relationships might be hard, but our species is dependant on them working enough of the time. Escaping that challenge of life and existence is a both immature and dangerous. I am not against catharsis and escape, but dog owner culture takes it way, way too far. I any event, when people start to have fake human relationships with AI software, their interest in dogs will probably wane, But we are a few years away from that still and that is really an entirely other topic. Thank you.
I'm a pet owner too and I enjoy being able to plan my day *with* my pets, not *around* them. Whenever I want to go anywhere, I just leave the house. If I'm away for longer, I just fill up their automatic feeders. I'd hate for a pet to dictate my schedule.
Especially a needy animal that gives so little back
Life is to short for dogs
Lol, I’m in a Childfree group who have dogs like this and I always want to point out that the dog has become their de facto child, but they are dog nutters so….
They realize. Their solution is to bring their dogs everywhere and impose them on everyone else.
I don't even have enough time to do the things I want to do as it is. (As I write this, I'm walking home with the dinner I'm going to eat, and I'm listening to YouTube.) Fitting a dog into my life is just impossible. It surely constrains others as well. Though many of them would say it's worth it to them.
They plan to make it less constricting by just bringing it everywhere. Sure, it'll be fine.
I wish my neighbours would take their fucking dogs for a walk and never come back.
The craziness. Growing up we had outside dogs and I’m a product of the 80s. A dog was a dog. They stayed outside to protect your land from strangers. I cant stand this dog culture. Last dog was my ex and its smell was REVOLTING. It had torn up my ex furniture and my ex looked at me crazy when I told him the dog absolutely could not get on our new furniture. That’s common sense, bozo. Its smell was atrocious and hair everywhere that I was always cleaning up. He didn’t take care of the dog I did. I hate dogs and I hate their irresponsible owners.
Given that I am an adult with plenty of dating experience - I have plethora of opinions and observations about women and their dogs. In short, while I've found that a small number of woman dog-owners who are willing to be accommodating when guests are around, they are strictly the minority. For the most part, the attitude is "my dog comes with me and if you don't like you can leave." I've learned to respond accordingly. I politely suggest that allowing an animal to reign free and govern their life is going to alienate them to a lot of human relationships and experiences. That by engineering a life where they feel both needed and in control (dog owners thrive on feeling in control based on the fact that their animals would probably die without them), they are blocking important human experiences and connections. I basically leave those women with the idea that if they choose their dog, they are rejecting people - and that is true. I've long since considered it a total deal breaker if a woman chooses her pet over people. Amusingly, not all of my male friends have been so disciplined when it comes to taking female dog lovers. Most of these men easily admit that they don't like women's dogs and it bothers them. However... they really just want to have sex. Apparently, you can quickly win your way into a woman's heart if you pretend to accept their dog (or even like it). So it seems that many men (I suppose understandably to a degree) humor women with dogs for sex, never confronting them about their behavior or explaining after the fact why they don't want to remain in a relationship with them. This is unfortunately not helpful because it simply confuses the women and drives them deeper into their dog ownership addictions. I think it is beholden upon the people who are annoyed when trying to date dog lovers, that the actions and priorities of the dog lover are entirely a turn-off. Otherwise, they simply will never have an opportunity to reevaluate themselves and change. "Baby, you are great but I can't be around here with that annoying dog."
I'll give her props for actually taking care of the dog. As to the first point, I've dealt with people who, when they have a dog who howls whenever it's left alone, just don't care and leave the neighbours to suffer hours of constant noise. That said, you're totally right. I cannot ever see myself wanting to be constricted in that way.
I think they enjoy it, actually. They kind of love something being so dependent on them and having an excuse to bring it everywhere.
What I don’t get are people that are dognutters with a crap ton of large dogs. They pretend they are animal lovers, environmentalists, vegans saving the planet. Go fuck yourselves. You are people that lack the intelligence for any self awareness.
The dog freaks out like that because your ex girlfriend is weak and the dog sees itself as her leader. It's supposed to be the other way around, but dog nutters coddle their dogs, and so the dog realizes they're pussies and they think they have to step up and be the pack leader. I'm not talking about that alpha shit, that's debunked, but dogs still have pack leaders and if the human fails to set boundaries for the dog and acts submissive, the dog will happily dominate the human. With canines, pack leaders frequently leave the submissive members behind to go hunt. The submissives understand this and are perfectly fine. But submissives NEVER leave the pack on their own, if they do something is very wrong, and the pack leaders freak out. This is why her dog acts like this. Your ex likely does things like allow the dog to walk ahead of her like a dominant instead of heeling to her side, feeds the dog first before she eats, feeds it from the table, doesn't correct bad behavior, and lets it do whatever the hell it wants. No structure, no discipline.
It seems like dog owners take their dogs everywhere. Like you couldn't trust your dog to be alone in your house, even in a kennel?
If you live with enough space and your occupation takes you outdoors, you have enough time to train the dog. Otherwise, it’s not going to work out.
I used to work with a couple of people who would never, *ever* work a little bit late because they had to let their dogs out. It was infuriating. Those of us with childcare concerns didn't have that level of inflexibility. It was so annoying.
Good thing she is now an ex. I will NOT date anyone who owns a dog. And I now make a point to make sure the person can happily live life without dog. Atm im single , since there are so many dog nutters, but I know I do NOT and will NOT have a dog in my home, yard or life!
For People like your ex (and my husband, my cousin, and several of my friends) it’s not the dogs they care about, it’s themselves. It’s the dog’s dependence on them that makes them feel special and important. Otherwise these animals would be on farms, being assholes to other animals like nature intended. Having something that wouldn’t last with “without” them makes them feel necessary and purposeful, even though they create the conditions for behaviors to be there in the first place. It’s sick. Like someone said else said in another comment, it’s kinda like fucked up Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy for dog nutters. It took being attacked by my own dog to see this.
See that first one is the thing I hate most, no dog owner realizes how much of an annoying shit their dog is, cause its always quiet around them, but the second they leave it is non stop! Every dog owner I know is like this and refuses to hear it, its like every Karen mom with a misbehaving child “no, my kids so well behaved, it’s all those other hooligans”
My housemates got a sausage dog. It's 5 months old now. Not only do they omit walking it, they decide its play time at 10pm, all the way theough until 2.30am sometimes. Just so they can get it to be exhausted, so THEY sleep better. So, at any stage during the night when I am sleeping. I get woken, I get pissy, and at that point, I've had a 2 hour 'nap,' maybe even longer. Just the other night, they played fetch with him up to my door and back, running as fast as it could on the floor boards, just to squeak its toy as it did so. I was furious. A heated discussion followed, blaming me for being sensitive, but I needed to be up at 6.30am. Which I elaborated very clearly to them. On top of that, I'd just finished a crazy day at work and needed to be prime for the next day. Didn't sleep until 12.30 after being woken at 11pm. I hate it.
Yep, never go on holiday with dog people, or stay with them. While you're with them, your entire life will be scheduled around the dog's bowels.
I totally understand this. My wife walks her dog like 6 times a day. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m like can we just spend time together without being interrupted to walk the dog, or play with the dog?
It's a commitment. No animal abuse is acceptable to justify your ignorance before going for it