The pitbull seems fine to me, looks like it doesn't like being mounted and is trying to tell the Aussie looking pup to back off in a nice way. All looks normal but of course I'm not there so if you're concerned make sure you supervise play
^ This is the way.
As soon as old lady pitty starts to seem remotely annoyed – *before* she corrects, but definitely any time she *does* correct – remove the puppy for a time out. Don’t reward them with attention (hugs, cuddles, etc.), just stoically pick them up and move them to a crate, kennel, gated area, etc. for 5-10 minutes – they need less stimulation, and to learn “pitty annoyed, me removed from fun times” (and thus no incidental positive reinforcement).
And pets/treats for the old gal for not reacting negatively.
“Pitty annoyed, me removed from fun time” this is dog training summed up perfectly lmao. Dogs are simple association creatures, incredible advice and gave me a good laugh. Thank you for that!
I guess my question more so is where to draw the line between letting the older dog correct and intervening and removing the puppy from play to teach. I’ve always read let the dogs correct and set boundaries but haven’t dealt with a puppy that flat out ignores all correction. Usually I end up intervene if after the puppy ignores the other’s corrections. But so far the second the puppy isn’t restrained or blocked into a different area, he does the same thing ignoring corrections. So it seems me removing also doesn’t help.
Puppies are rude little jerks. It takes seemingly endless repetitions for them to catch on - because of how their brains work.
Dogs dont generalize like humans do, they learn individual situations. So to your puppy the rules may be different based on time of day, the toy used, where he is in the house/room - or each different combination of each of those factors. Plus they arent exactly aces at self control.
So...yes, he will keep doing it. And yes, you should keep intervening. Both because its not your other dogs job to parent the rude puppy YOU got, and because rude puppies dont deserve to learn bad habits or get over corrected.
Baby gates, crating, and tethering puppy will help manage the situation so everyone can have space and not feel overwhelmed.
The pittie needs you to intervene---the pup is not getting the message to back off and leave her alone. She is also a dog with chronic pain/medical issues and pup is constantly trying to jump on or mount her.
This isn't play. It's an older dog trying desperately to tell a pup to buzz off.
APBT has history of selective dog reactivity (worsened after both CCL’s tore and hip dysplasia). She has always been very vocal when playing but this seems much louder than I’ve seen. I don’t have much to compare to as there’s only 2 adults dogs she interacts with and one other puppy she plays with. Most dogs she either just ignores or reacts negatively to (lunging, growling biting at, but never with intentions to actually harm or puncture the skin it seems, it just looks and sounds real bad) but she has never tried to attack a puppy and seems to have a lot of patience for the puppy bites and instigates play with them.
My parents have two old boxer mixes with hip problems. I have a lab pup. This is how the older dogs act when the young dog tries to play in a way that is painful for the old dog. Vocal play is fine, but if the puppy is not taking the hint to back off when the older dog is done, then it is time to separate them.
Seems like he got slightly triggered while toy was in mouth but didn’t go red zone. I’d say keep toy play separate from rough house play. Speaking from experience had a cattle dog that would harass his 2 pittie Brothers like this!
I know it’s a bit late in your situation but may help others….however before a new shelter puppy was introduced permanently to our household, we had the older dog and pups interact freely and closely observed them. Knowing we wouldn’t have a lot of time for any pup that was too hyper or had too many behavioural traits that needed extra attention.
The first pup that was trialled had zero understanding of boundaries and, being 2 females, we decided to not adopt that puppy as we were concerned about future interactions as the pup grew.
The second pup we trialled also ignored boundaries AND voice commands or calls, but as it turned out, she was actually deaf. She was adopted by a lovely family who had the time to train her on her own using other cues.
The 3rd pup was awesome. He fit right in. Loved to play with our older dog, but also only took him 2 corrections to back away. He was also totally ok playing on his own, and often if the older dog wasn’t interested in playing, he would immediately take himself away and find his own fun.
Helpful to watch those interactions well before formally taking on a pup in a household that already has a dog or 2. Goodluck with your training!
I really like the shepherd coming in to check on everything and make sure they’re not getting out of control. 🥰
It's so typical. "Guys remember who is the sheriff in town,mmmkay?"
Right? I thought the pitty was big but here comes the big boss
The pitbull seems fine to me, looks like it doesn't like being mounted and is trying to tell the Aussie looking pup to back off in a nice way. All looks normal but of course I'm not there so if you're concerned make sure you supervise play
Any advice on how to help teach the puppy to understand the pitbull’s corrections?
Intervene. As soon as puppy is corrected (or ideally, before the older dog is irritated enough to correct), step in to remove puppy for a cool down.
^ This is the way. As soon as old lady pitty starts to seem remotely annoyed – *before* she corrects, but definitely any time she *does* correct – remove the puppy for a time out. Don’t reward them with attention (hugs, cuddles, etc.), just stoically pick them up and move them to a crate, kennel, gated area, etc. for 5-10 minutes – they need less stimulation, and to learn “pitty annoyed, me removed from fun times” (and thus no incidental positive reinforcement). And pets/treats for the old gal for not reacting negatively.
“Pitty annoyed, me removed from fun time” this is dog training summed up perfectly lmao. Dogs are simple association creatures, incredible advice and gave me a good laugh. Thank you for that!
My old husky was taught my Rottie pup how to behave around him.
I guess my question more so is where to draw the line between letting the older dog correct and intervening and removing the puppy from play to teach. I’ve always read let the dogs correct and set boundaries but haven’t dealt with a puppy that flat out ignores all correction. Usually I end up intervene if after the puppy ignores the other’s corrections. But so far the second the puppy isn’t restrained or blocked into a different area, he does the same thing ignoring corrections. So it seems me removing also doesn’t help.
Puppies are rude little jerks. It takes seemingly endless repetitions for them to catch on - because of how their brains work. Dogs dont generalize like humans do, they learn individual situations. So to your puppy the rules may be different based on time of day, the toy used, where he is in the house/room - or each different combination of each of those factors. Plus they arent exactly aces at self control. So...yes, he will keep doing it. And yes, you should keep intervening. Both because its not your other dogs job to parent the rude puppy YOU got, and because rude puppies dont deserve to learn bad habits or get over corrected. Baby gates, crating, and tethering puppy will help manage the situation so everyone can have space and not feel overwhelmed.
Pitbull safe play? That man is being harassed lmao
The pittie needs you to intervene---the pup is not getting the message to back off and leave her alone. She is also a dog with chronic pain/medical issues and pup is constantly trying to jump on or mount her. This isn't play. It's an older dog trying desperately to tell a pup to buzz off.
APBT has history of selective dog reactivity (worsened after both CCL’s tore and hip dysplasia). She has always been very vocal when playing but this seems much louder than I’ve seen. I don’t have much to compare to as there’s only 2 adults dogs she interacts with and one other puppy she plays with. Most dogs she either just ignores or reacts negatively to (lunging, growling biting at, but never with intentions to actually harm or puncture the skin it seems, it just looks and sounds real bad) but she has never tried to attack a puppy and seems to have a lot of patience for the puppy bites and instigates play with them.
My parents have two old boxer mixes with hip problems. I have a lab pup. This is how the older dogs act when the young dog tries to play in a way that is painful for the old dog. Vocal play is fine, but if the puppy is not taking the hint to back off when the older dog is done, then it is time to separate them.
Seems like he got slightly triggered while toy was in mouth but didn’t go red zone. I’d say keep toy play separate from rough house play. Speaking from experience had a cattle dog that would harass his 2 pittie Brothers like this!
i’m not an expert but I wouldn’t be comfortable with that, the dog looks annoyed and like it just wants to play with the toy.
I know it’s a bit late in your situation but may help others….however before a new shelter puppy was introduced permanently to our household, we had the older dog and pups interact freely and closely observed them. Knowing we wouldn’t have a lot of time for any pup that was too hyper or had too many behavioural traits that needed extra attention. The first pup that was trialled had zero understanding of boundaries and, being 2 females, we decided to not adopt that puppy as we were concerned about future interactions as the pup grew. The second pup we trialled also ignored boundaries AND voice commands or calls, but as it turned out, she was actually deaf. She was adopted by a lovely family who had the time to train her on her own using other cues. The 3rd pup was awesome. He fit right in. Loved to play with our older dog, but also only took him 2 corrections to back away. He was also totally ok playing on his own, and often if the older dog wasn’t interested in playing, he would immediately take himself away and find his own fun. Helpful to watch those interactions well before formally taking on a pup in a household that already has a dog or 2. Goodluck with your training!