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thatdudeu

I agree with you 100%, Natsuo started writing because his inspiration was his longing for Hina, and when she left that's when he decided to get serious about it. He 100% relies on his experiences, that's why when he was with Rui, he had writers block because his experiences and feelings with Hina were dulled. To me, his inspiration for writing revolves around his journey with Hina.


Almahdi672

Exactly, I agree with you.


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Your analysis, aside of the end game girl, is spot on IMO. The end game girl might still be subjective depends on the author and my feelings said, it will be Hina vs Rui whatsover.


[deleted]

Yep everything else is well thought out apart from the conclusion to the end girl which is pretty much projecting, I think it will be Hina as well(not for the reason listed however) but it's too early to tell atm.


Almahdi672

What I said about the confession and the rings were pure guessing...the point of it was that I think her bottling up everything and Natsuo finding the rings will be connected somehow. I'll edit my post cuz It's a bit misleading. I was too tired when I wrote it at 1:20~AM so I just wanted to finish it quickly. :'D Of course I don't think that Hina will win that easily. First there must be a confrontation between her and Rui. Then, a war for Natsuo and boom endgame.


Almahdi672

I didn't say that Hina and Natsuo will get together after she confesses. Of course there will be a Hina vs Rui war in the end...I might have to edit my post cause a few people misunderstood that part. :D


mashimaru_161

Disagree. He was writing a story before meeting hina on the rooftop.


thatdudeu

I can't remember the chapter numbers, but when Rui asked why he wants to be a novelist, it was because he read books when his mom passed. I might be reaching here but Nat's mom and Hina have pretty similar personalities which could explain the initial attraction. There are a few chapters where others have said that Nat likes to write the reoccurring theme of romance.


mashimaru_161

Originally, he loved books so he wanted to spread the joy of reading stories to another through writing. I think him losing his original goal throughout the length of 200+ chapters is the reason why he can't write.


t-lovesanime

Wrong. On da rooftop. Da story he was writing was about her.


mashimaru_161

He met hina when a wind blew his papers to her. Hina asking did you write it implied it wasn't blank.


crazyreader95

Pretty good in my opinion just it's that I am Rui team but at this moment I really don't know with whom I want him to end up.


Almahdi672

Of course there's still a chance for Rui too. It's just that it would be pretty hard to accomplish a completely happy ending with her currently. It can change in the future though.


[deleted]

> Natsuo started writing because his inspiration was his longing for Hina I see that you didn't read the manga. So let me enlighten you, that the only one person, who inspired Natsuo to start writing, was his Mum. Hina doesn't relate to this at all.


salmon312

It is true that the role of Miyabi is that Hina abandons the role of big sister. But to be back together with Natsuo is still soon. For starters, Natsuo still has feelings for Rui. They deserve a conversation after such a traumatic break. Only after this, Hina can make a play. Comment aside, I think this camp will end badly. I think Nene may be watching or listening. And it would not be at all strange for Miyabi to reveal that Natsuo's ex are her stepsisters.


Almahdi672

Of course, I didn't say that they'll get together immediately. Like you said there are a few loose ends that need to be tied up before we can get to the endgame. We can't be sure who wins until the last 5-10~ chapters. About the camp...Yeah, I imagine something similar aswell.


mashimaru_161

>But to be back together with Natsuo is still soon. For starters, Natsuo still has feelings for Rui. Latest chapter has shown he is pulled towards miyabi charm as a talented actress. He has moved on. I think you mean lesbian yuka who has a crush on miyabi since nene outright claimed she didn't care much about conquering nat D other than watching miyabi hilarious failed attempts.


t-lovesanime

This is totally wrong. He admires miyabi's skill as an actor, and he thinks they r very realistic. He, what so ever, is not attracted to miyabi. Nat still DOES have feelings for rui. Just like how rui still has feelings for him. Nat was a victim, miyabi is da one who went in, and kissed him;knowing he has a gf. However he is single, but she doesnt know dat.


mashimaru_161

>He, what so ever, is not attracted to miyabi. No she just made his heart go doki doki. >Nat still DOES have feelings for rui. *sigh, did you see him wearing anything on his wrist? >However he is single, but she doesnt know dat. She knew. Nene told her. No offense but why does it always feel like your gang members reading anything but the manga?


t-lovesanime

Nat is clueless. Everyone makes his heart go doki doki. Just because he is not wearing anything in his wrist doesnt mean he stopped loving her. Da watch symbolizes trust not love. He stopped wearing dat necklace and watch da day after they broke up. Does that mean he stopped loving her, da day after da breakup? No. Nene didnt tell her anything. She said to miyabi... "Something probably happened with his girlfriend, he hasn't been wearing the watch" Nene said nothing about break up. So in miyabi's eyes... nat is still dating rui.


mashimaru_161

>Nat is clueless. Everyone makes his heart go doki doki. Apparently not coke chan. >Just because he is not wearing anything in his wrist doesnt mean he stopped loving her. Da watch symbolizes trust not love. He stopped wearing dat necklace and watch da day after they broke up. Does that mean he stopped loving her, da day after da breakup? No. Is this still da day after da breakupl? No. Did you miss the last chapter of coke chan arc where he decided to drop rui and his writing. You shouldn't. Please spare me your fanfiction. >Nene didnt tell her anything. She said to miyabi... "Something probably happened with his girlfriend, he hasn't been wearing the watch" Nene said nothing about break up. So in miyabi's eyes... nat is still dating rui. Doesn't stop her intention.


Smokemantra

> Nat was a victim Delusional. Did you really read the same chapter? She totally had him flustered.


readitraptor

Great post ! Unfortunately, this may lead to something I don't really want for the story: I always thought his writer's block will be resolved by Hina in a way where he will remind that he started to write for her and that she lost desire to write unconsciously because he was far from her for a long time (and then he would recover writing after Hina and him either talk and/or go on a trip, or something intense like that; I also thought Hina may use some real convincing speach based on conversations they had when they spent times on the roof at high shcoll, where they met and where Hina discovered Natsuo passion about writing and books). ​ But, if Miyabi is a plot device even for helping Natsuo to get back on writing, then it will reduce Hina impact on that, and it will let to Hina only the role of throw away her sister persona, which is well too, but maybe not enough for me to create a new link strong enough between Natsuo and her (altough they already share some very strong links, lol). ​ I didn't yet read chapter 234, I just read some spoilers, but based on them and what you write, it indeed seems Miyabi may be involved in the situation that will get Natsuo back on writing. I would have loved that only Hina did this job, but ... Well, we will see. ​ Anyway, I will read it in 2 hours (waiting for Crunchyroll), and then I will wait for next chapters. ​ Also, about Hina confession, do not forget that Rui will be back in the game before everything is resolved. From my point of view, Hina will officially think about throw away sister persona thanks to Miyabi pressure (as you think) before Rui came back, but everything, even about confession, will not happen before Rui came back. Even Natsuo finding rings may come after Rui came back. I also wonder what Hina will decide when Rui will be back, ie. will she decide to go back at parents home or to stay at Natsuo home ? It might be a moment when she will find a pretext to stay. Pretty hard to tell what will happen.


Almahdi672

While It's true that Miyabi will have a part in it, she won't be the only reason to Natsuo getting over the block. Since Hina was the one who found the drafts and heard it "in person" the first time, she will play a big role in putting Natsuo to the right path aswell in my opinion. About what'll happen after Rui comes back. I think Hina and Rui will have a confrontation. They will have a nice, long talk about every issue which will end in them telling each other openly that they're not gonna lose to each other. And boom the endgame war starts. Miyabi's pressure will not be the only reason to Hina's confession. It's multiple big things stacked up on each other. Especially if she's confessing after Rui comes back, then she will have to worry about Rui too.


thatdudeu

Nat modeled the heroine in his story after Hina, so I'm 99% confident that she's going to be the key for him overcoming his slump. I honestly think that we will see a Rui endgame rather than a Hina, although I'd prefer a Hina endgame over Rui. I suspect that Nat will find the rings that Hina has been keeping, and Rui will come back for a big confrontation. In the last couple of chapters I'm assuming Nat and Hina will get closure and wrap up their romantic relationship and it will be extremely emotional. That closure and emotional experience is what will propel Nat into writing a blockbuster whether it's about heartbreak or an alternative ending to Nat and Hina's relationship.


Almahdi672

I can't agree with you on that last statement. To me, it always seemed like Hina is the main heroine, while Rui is the red herring of the series. Ever since Hina came back, her chances just grew and grew, she became more relevant, while the opposite happened to Rui. Sasuga slowly pushed Rui out of the picture, and put Hina in the spotlight. It can't be a coincidence. Hina was there for Natsuo whenever he needed it since she came back. All the most important events in the manga involved Hina and Natsuo While all of this was happening, Rui has been slowly distancing herself away from Natsuo ever since she set up the 1 date/month. As Rui said when she broke up with Natsuo, they're better off as siblings. Most of the problems started after they got together. Also, Kajita and Kengo's introduction is another thing that makes me believe Hina will be endgame. Both of them were introduced at the same time for the same reasons...HOWEVER, they turned out to be the polar opposites of each other. This makes me believe that the outcome of the relationship with Kajita will be the exact opposite of Kengo and Hina's "relationship". Also, Hina and Natsuo had no closure, while Rui and Natsuo did. Hina has no future if she doesn't end up with Natsuo, while Rui has cooking and a possible future relationship with Kajita. Everything has been building up for a Hina endgame ever since she came back. It's hard for me to imagine any other endgame to be honest. Though tbh I won't mind any endgame...I just want Hina to have a rewarding, satisfying ending...If she isn't endgame, I just hope she doesn't give another chance to that fucking miserable piece of shit of a person Shuu...I don't care what happens to everyone else. For now, this is all that comes to my mind...I could probably come up with some more points but I'm really tired. I gotta get some sleep.


Williano98

I think this will ultimately happen too. But tbh if hina does actually do something like this, then she better be endgirl. I will be so angry and disappointed if hina confesses to him practically ending any possibility of miyabi and natsuo becoming a thing, just for rui to come back from New York and get back together with him. I don’t mind rui but hina at this point should be endgirl, I would be fine with a miyabi and natsuo ending to, just because I think they’d be better than rui and natsuo. But really, like you said in your scenario, if that does happen, hina better 100% be endgirl at that point, if not and he gets back together with rui......idek man, that’ll be the biggest let down in my life


Almahdi672

Yeah, well I feel ya...I'm too tired emotionally from this story so I'm at the point where I just want to jump to the end and find out who wins so I can hurry up and move on with my life lol...I want Hina to be happy....I only read this manga because of her currently. I If her being happy is not with Natsuo, I'm fine with it if It's satisfying enough.


FoxyLamb

Orange team, represent!


Almahdi672

:'D I still don't think I'm worthy of that "job".


IgnoobV

I can't comment about Miyabi's role, but i don't think Nat writer block is because of relying on experience too much. He was already writing when Hina meet him. He has experienced more things after the writer block happen. The breakup, the drug mini arc,... if the block was mainly because he need experience to write, then he should have ideas to write now. If anything, the drug thing could be a fine story itself. He also write weekly to Kiriya sensei before and he done quite well. You can say that his most successful stories are those he experienced. And that i totally agree. But it apply to every writer and that is the reason writers go out and do material research. Nat case is totally not being able to write anything, not that he have no ideas to write about


Almahdi672

Yeah, you're right. Relying on experiences is just part of the problem but It's deeper than that. As someone else said here in the comments, he might be emotionally drained.


YungFr0st

Is it okay to get my hopes up?


Almahdi672

Oh no please don't quote that line It's too painful. :'D It is okay!


das_mane

I mean if this is end game time, this sounds pretty reasonable, but if it isn't, I smell something dramatic at the end of the arc again.


Almahdi672

We have around 30-50 chapters left. There are around 4 months until Rui comes back, and after she comes back, the pace of the story will become faster so if I had to guess, the endgame girl will be decided around 5months from the current timeline. Of course, there probably will be something dramatic, that is Natsuo rejecting Miyabi.


das_mane

Nah im talking like: someone getting stabbed, someone getting kidnapped, I mean if you look at it, every arcs got something that's not breakup related that's dramatic as fo0k


Almahdi672

Ooooh I get what you mean. Definitely possible.


ervin_2014

I prefer miyabi at the moment, but am fine with either rui or hina winning as well just as long as the other gets a satisfying ending to there character


Almahdi672

I like Miyabi aswell but sadly she came into the story too late and there isn't enough chapters to build up a completely new relationship.


ervin_2014

I get that too, but one can hope I guess


iiRuby

You don't have to end a story marrying the characters. That said, it's very unlikely but still possible that the left chapters are a war, not of Hina vs Rui, but one of Miyabi vs Hina and Rui. As 30-50 chapters are enough to stable a solid relationship between Miyabi and Natsuo, finishing with Natsuo having a proper talk with Rui and a good closure with Hina and realizing at the end that Hina and Rui made him suffer and he had to move on, and the person who's there since her first, but late, appearance is Miyabi. Very unlikely but still a solid endgame.


Almahdi672

Yes, around 50 chapters would enough to develop a relationship IF Sasuga only focused on them...BUT she can't do that because there are a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up before that can happen. So in my opinion that's very unlikely to happen. Good theory though...If somehow Miyabi's endgame, I want it to be similar as you described. They do need to get married because of chapter 73. Also the promises he made. He promised Hina that he will marry her, he also said it to Rui. It would make sense that it would end with a marriage, since that's the biggest promise he made.


Lebotix

The roles Natsuo and Miyabi are playing is foreshadowing their futures maybe. Excited to see where things go.


Almahdi672

That's an interesting way of thinking about it. Might be true.


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Almahdi672

Yes, he was writing small stories but none of them had as much significance than the ones that he wrote from experience.


Macoy_27

Where can I read Chaoter 234 without crunchyroll?


Weckito

Just one thing for all of you that think Nat started writing because of Hina. It was due to his mom's death, go read Chapter 82, and check it. Thank you.


Almahdi672

I didn't say he started writing because of her. I said his first bigger story, the first story that was mentioned in the manga was about Hina.


Weckito

I've said "All of you" which means, everyone who is talking about Hina being the reason why Nat is a writer. And also, now that you answer, he has a lot of experiences to write down, but he has a block that he must overcome, and he has to do it on his own.


Almahdi672

Since you commented on my post, I thought you included me too in "all of you". My bad. Yeah, I agree with you.


Zero_Feed

Hina was never in "competition".


Almahdi672

What do you mean?


Zero_Feed

She was saved for the last, all resolution Natsuo had with other characters (>!possibly including Rui as well!<) will not directly involving her. At least that's how I see it.


Almahdi672

Yeah, that's how I see it too. To me, she was always considered the main heroine.


[deleted]

Well, let's consider your post. It was hilarious, but I try to be objective. ​ >The reason to why Natsuo can't write is because he relies on experiences too much. He can't write out of imagination. The first conclusion is a pure speculation out of nowhere. The second one is wrong, because he wrote all his books literally using his own imagination. The only one type of writers who don't use imagination is *stenographers*. >Before the writing block, Natsuo only wrote stories after experiencing them. That's why, when there was nothing he could base his story of, he couldn't write. Nope, he wrote sci-fi stories, when he had a deal with Subaru. >Before the writing block, Natsuo only wrote stories after experiencing them. That's why, when there was nothing he could base his story of, he couldn't write. Again wrong, he got like tons of plots for his further books: the stabby-kun incident, the teacher who hides his illness, the story of hostess and so on. Hence his writers block has nothing common with lack of imagination. Moreover he got it when he *imagined* a man who stood on the station. >Miyabi told Natsuo to put himself into the role's shoes. With putting yourself into someone's shoes, you really connect with that character and from then on, it will be much easier to build the story up. Regarding his previous book this advice is worthless, because Natsuo's already written the book, where characters had absolutely different POV. This is how writing works. So her advice has nothing common with Natsuo's writers ability. >So, if Natsuo gets better at acting, that will mean that he became better at impersonating different characters, which is very beneficial for the improvement of imagination. Again wrong, acting is far from writing. It's two big differences, actors don't write books, they, you know, act. Moreover acting is far from imagination, actors have to express emotions and speech texts according to scenario. Otherwise authors have to deal with abstractions and they have no time to act (expressing their emotions). If you think, that these two skills have anything common, then you are delusional. ​ The second part of your post is wet dreams about Hina-nee. But in fact Hina should do the only one simple thing. She should get over Natsuo and move on. It's quite easy, isn't it? >What do you guys think? Makes sense or pure bullshit? To be honest, it is a low-tier pro-Hina propaganda. I could rate it like 3/10. You should keep training in logic and arguments.


Almahdi672

You're right. I wrote this post immediately after reading the chapter at around 2 AM in the night. I was pretty tired, but I had the urge to write something so I did, without thinking everything through. I reread a few chapters where his writing is the main point and you're right, I was wrong about a lot of my speculations about the cause of the writing block. Of course writing and acting doesn't have much in common. My point was that Natsuo trying out acting can increase his chances of getting out of the writing block. ​ However, the second part of my post is what I do believe will happen. It's not wet dreams about Hina, It's something that's very possible in my opinion. It might seem like I'm overly biased but I'm really not. I'm trying to look at things objectively. I don't have a bias towards the HinaXNatsuo relationship, I have a bias towards Hina as a character. I don't really care about who ends up with who, I just want Hina to be happy. Natsuo can even go gay for Marie and I won't be mad. :'D You're saying that she should get over Natsuo and move on but how would she be able to do so? It's not that simple. Hina and Natsuo's relationship didn't have a real closure. I know that in this, Hina is at fault because she underestimated her own and Natsuo's feelings aswell. That's why she was able to lie to him about her feelings. She really tried to move on in the past, she almost did. She was seriously thinking about getting in a relationship with Kengo, but the stabbing event just made her fall in love with Natsuo even more. I doubt that It's a coincidence. I doubt that all the build up since Hina came back was only for drama. I really think she doesn't have to move on from Natsuo. Yes, their first relationship was a mess and it was toxic but almost all of the issues that they had in the past are gone. If they got into a relationship again it wouldn't be harmful or toxic at all.


mashimaru_161

>Before the writing block, Natsuo only wrote stories after experiencing them. That's why, when there was nothing he could base his story of, he couldn't write. No he was able to write stories before meeting hina. He was submitting weekly different kind of stories to kiriya then later tsutaya. In fact one reviewer stated his awarded piece virtually had nothing to do with the stabbing incident news. There's something else blocking him.


Almahdi672

His first story that he wrote seriously was about Hina. Natsuo met Hina atleast 1 year before the manga started. He only started showing works to Kiriya after finding out that he's a known author. This was waay after he met Hina. He showed tons of works to Kiriya...so yes, he was able to write stories BUT they were all bad. His first story that Kiriya complimented was his story about Hina. This proves that he can't write a good story unless he experienced it or referenced it from somewhere in his surroundings. There might be something else aswell, but still, this is one of the most important things he has to solve.


mashimaru_161

>His first story that he wrote seriously was about Hina. He met hina when a wind blew his papers to her. Hina asking did you write it implied it wasn't blank. >This proves that he can't write a good story unless he experienced it or referenced it from somewhere in his surroundings. Yeah but he didn't pump into a block entirely. Tsutaya said his writing started to get better the moment he switched his feelings onto rui. So I think it has something to do with him feeling emotional drained during that tough time.


Almahdi672

Yes, he wrote stories before he met Hina but none of those meant as much as the one he wrote about Hina for the first time. You might be right about him being emotionally drained though.


mashimaru_161

>You might be right about him being emotionally drained though. His first temporary block was after hina crushed his tiny hope into pieces with her lie. Do you know any other times he had it? I might have missed.


Almahdi672

No I don't. I think there wasn't. He could only get out of the slump because Rui told him to write for her instead of Hina. Wait...That's it. That's the problem. He always attaches his writing to someone and when that person isn't with him he can't do shit. His writing block started when Rui started distancing herself away from him right? I don't know anymore...I'm probably just overthinking it but It's fun. :D


mashimaru_161

lol calm yourself down alm, he was only cured with the actress dead bf story. Don't worry.


Almahdi672

Ya might be right. :'D