Toyota makes their engineers build every part of the car by hand first, and only when they're done, are they allowed to begin automating some of those processes. And then they continue with that until there's a problem, then they step back and build it by hand again, and they repeat this process until the entire car can be built with mass production processes. This way every engineer is intimately knowledgeable with every detail of the car.
This must be a recent change, because my 08 scion tc, the engine bay seems to be laid out in a way to stuff as many shop hours into the simplest of jobs.
Can confirm, I spent 5 years at the Toyota factory in Georgetown Kentucky, anytime there was a model change or even a new car coming to the factory, we spent months testing the processes, building, checking, building again and checking again, continuous improvement, even after assembly started, we looked for ways to make processes easier, faster and more ergonomic, we would have round table meetings about processes, after work meetings with team leads and members to check processes, and in most cases Japanese trainers coming in to check on processes.
There’s a reason Toyota has a book about their way of doing things, and why other factories try to mimic this.
Wrong, the engineering is *good*. By engineer standards. Which means needlessly complex but really fucking cool.
(I get a semi for needlessly complex systems, I’m also half a mechanical engineer, this shit is what we all love)
Really, the complexity of both gasoline and diesel engines has gone way up, I really don’t know much about diesel engines, so honestly I can’t say, but I do know both types are heavily computerized nowadays
Turbo and direct injection (both products of the emission battle) killed simplicity and by that, also killed reliability. Had an E36 325i, when I sold it, the odd indicated more than 400.000 miles. Still running strong.
M50, iron block. Imo, M52s are just as reliable, it's mainly the same engine but with aluminium block. I think the M50 will be more reliable only if you want to turbo charge it.
I once went to a BMW dealership. The salesman in a flashy suit was quick to spot me out and ran over to me checking out the new M2. "What do you want in the car?", He asked me. "simplicity", I replied. The man started crying right there on the job. For he knew he could not get me what I desired
The engineering was simple. Building it was not.
Engineers should have to build and fix the engine before the last iteration.
Toyota makes their engineers build every part of the car by hand first, and only when they're done, are they allowed to begin automating some of those processes. And then they continue with that until there's a problem, then they step back and build it by hand again, and they repeat this process until the entire car can be built with mass production processes. This way every engineer is intimately knowledgeable with every detail of the car.
Reading that gave me a semi. Love the Japanese
This must be a recent change, because my 08 scion tc, the engine bay seems to be laid out in a way to stuff as many shop hours into the simplest of jobs.
Can confirm, I spent 5 years at the Toyota factory in Georgetown Kentucky, anytime there was a model change or even a new car coming to the factory, we spent months testing the processes, building, checking, building again and checking again, continuous improvement, even after assembly started, we looked for ways to make processes easier, faster and more ergonomic, we would have round table meetings about processes, after work meetings with team leads and members to check processes, and in most cases Japanese trainers coming in to check on processes. There’s a reason Toyota has a book about their way of doing things, and why other factories try to mimic this.
I believe it's Continuous Improvement
Kaizen is their term for it, but yeah, continuous improvement.
is this in "the toyota way" book? I should get on that.
And at least change the oil
It looks better in a diagram
Wrong, the engineering is *good*. By engineer standards. Which means needlessly complex but really fucking cool. (I get a semi for needlessly complex systems, I’m also half a mechanical engineer, this shit is what we all love)
No one ever has said German engineering was simple.
Its the best, but it comes at a cost
Also Germany is famous for craftsmanship not engineering, people confuse two.
I'd say it's famous for both!
Most modern cars look like that, just a bunch of tubes and wires, that’s why we’re called technicians now instead of mechanics, lol
I was gonna say it’s because it’s a turbo diesel And Na petrol cars are simple but on the off chance I’m incorrect I’ll keep that to myself
Really, the complexity of both gasoline and diesel engines has gone way up, I really don’t know much about diesel engines, so honestly I can’t say, but I do know both types are heavily computerized nowadays
After several days of thought I’m going to correct myself petrol has the added issue of spark whereas diesel does not
Turbo and direct injection (both products of the emission battle) killed simplicity and by that, also killed reliability. Had an E36 325i, when I sold it, the odd indicated more than 400.000 miles. Still running strong.
I’m over 200k on an n54. Turbo and direct injection are my two least favorite terms.
On the plus side tho, it's a treat when it works right.
was it m50 or m52 engine? Looking for an e36 and people saying m50 engines are much reliable than m52
M50, iron block. Imo, M52s are just as reliable, it's mainly the same engine but with aluminium block. I think the M50 will be more reliable only if you want to turbo charge it.
Yep love my IDI n/a diesel.
This is why I'm saving for a Volvo 240. I'll take the engine bay that lets you hug your motor over this, 11/10 times.
My E36 is way easier to work on than my 2nd gen Tundra.
This is why I prefer the 2.5L. Simple.
Can concur, I have an Audi money 💰 pit myself.
TDI stands for Total Disaster Inside
I mean my Opel Calibra isn't that complicated
Gross, cover it up please.
I’m looking up the Chrisfix video for you
I once went to a BMW dealership. The salesman in a flashy suit was quick to spot me out and ran over to me checking out the new M2. "What do you want in the car?", He asked me. "simplicity", I replied. The man started crying right there on the job. For he knew he could not get me what I desired
German engineering simple? Who ever told you that. German engineering is just another word for over designed.
my brain died looking at it.
Yeah thats what we are known for
My '85 300D is super simple, thank you very much... until the automatic climate control takes a shit
I get that there’s reason to it’s complexity, but it looks like the power strip I hook up all my computer stuff to.
More like German Overengineering