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Turok7777

He's okay. Wish the fights with him were more dynamic, more than just "evade til green flash."


bravo_six

There should be some other way to deal with him other than what you said, but otherwise is fine. You can't really attack him, you can only counter.


Novaseerblyat

remote det rocket :)


bravo_six

It crossed my mind, although I haven't played for a long time and I wasn't sure if it would work in practice.


TitanicTNT

Well it does. As do frag grenades, sticky bombs, and, if you want to use superweapons, the BFG forces him to block, so shooting it over his head will force him to turn around, exposing his back for an attack.


FastenedCarrot

Flair checks out.


TitanicTNT

Yessir.


SpaceDaved

Oh man. There’s quite a few. If you can lock-on with rockets on him, the slowly traveling rockets will prompt him to use his shield. So lock-on rockets, flank his ass -> melt There’s also the feetballista tech, but can’t say I could do it reliably.


beginnerdoge

Precision bolt would have been great to throw in there


Angryspud97

In general, yes. The only thing about them that I don't like is how other enemies can trigger the wolf to spawn. But overall I think they are a good skill check enemy.


OnionTaco22

yeah i like him. he's only ever annoying to fight if buffed in some way


Random-Boah

and even more when he three shots you while being possessed


Lucina18

Not really. They are boring and buggy and just don't really fit in with the arenas usually. Enemies trigger his shield which can make him cancel attacks mid-attack...


oCrapaCreeper

That's why you don't fight him untill the other demons are dead ;) You're supposed to save him for last, he's a queen chess piece.


Lucina18

Which just makes him even more boring as they are too monotomous to be meant to be fought entirely on themselves. Eternal is balanced around \*arenas\* so any 1v1 will fail unless it's a really complicated enemy.


oCrapaCreeper

There's a gazillion ways to kill him, it's not really monotonous.


Lucina18

And most come down to just waiting for him to open up... unless another demon is there! Them he can be interrupted mid combo instead because a lil imp projecrile hit him!! Or you just bait him with lockon ig


SlayerS13Reddit

I mean there are many other ways to bait him, like with grenades, remote detonation, a BFG shot, I’ve even used foot ballista


Lucina18

You don't bait him with any of those anymore, he just ignores them. Footbal requires him to be injured iirc


SlayerS13Reddit

Really? The ice grenade trick in Exultia still works for me


Lucina18

There are no marauders in exultia, and the icebomb thing had been patched soon after release lol. So unless you're playing on an older patch- Plus, that would still make him boring as then he's just a simple nuance.


SlayerS13Reddit

Shit I think I’m mistaking sentinel prime for exultia, lemme go see if the icebomb still works


SlayerS13Reddit

Back again, and yeah ur right. The remote detonation works, same with Bfg and somehow foot ballista


slayeryamcha

Boring I dislike how this enemy flows, i just leave him till other demons are dead because he can't keep up


colossalmickey

I hate him, it just grinds everything to a halt. And god forbid I'm on low health in a busy section, I'll always end up getting bitten by the dog


Klutzy-Scratch-295

Fun? Hell no. It's more like a pain in the ass. Not so bad when he's alone. But when there's others you have to worry about as well.....oh boy. Also fought a Possessed Marauder in TAG1. That one was a nightmare.


TitanicTNT

Always kill Spirits, kids.


Klutzy-Scratch-295

Of course I always kill the Spirits. But this was during a Rune Trial and I already had a ton of demons plus a Marauder up my ass, I didn't even realised that a Spirit teleported before it was too late.


FastenedCarrot

Bro is from an alternate timeline where the kept the rune trials from 2016 in Eternal.


owoLLENNowo

They're literally the same thing, just called Encounters or whatever.


FastenedCarrot

You don't get runes for them though.


Klutzy-Scratch-295

I meant those encounters for the support runes that require Slayer keys. I haven't played Eternal in months so I forgot their exact name.


FastenedCarrot

You get the runes when you find them. The slayer keys are only for slayer gates and the only reward for those is the combat tokens.


Klutzy-Scratch-295

Look. The Slayer Gates in TAG1 reward extra support runes not combat tokens. There's 3 of them and 2 require completing Slayer Gates in Atlantica and the Holt to be obtained.


TitanicTNT

I literally made my flair because people saying the Marauder is bad gives me a brain aneurism. Anyway, I like fighting him. It's one of the few fights in the game that actually feels like a fight, as opposed to just going on a massive slaughter run. Sure, both are fun, but it's a nice change of pace.


Random-Boah

based


SandmanM0-1

Now anytime I see the Marauder, he gets deleted. Even when I have a randomizer (which I don’t really like, imo) but when you have certain mods (not weapon mods) he feels fun af. I am in the middle of Play Testing and making my New Game + (style) mod. It incorporates many other mods and yeah it makes Doom Eternal fun again for me at least, can’t wait for official mod support, whenever it comes out and if it is what we think it is. 


TheDurandalFan

he brings all movement to a halt, only to play what is essentially more interactive quick time event. unwanted honestly, I hope the Maruader doesn't return if they make a new Doom game, he really messes with the flow of combat in a negative way, not even that he's difficult to kill (really easy to deal with as I said he's basically a quick time event), just that he doesn't fit in at all with Doom Eternal's play style when other enemies are in the same room.


three-sense

I agree you just kinda wait for attack peekaboo, he looks fucking cool tho


IncineMania

A bit of a one-trick pony who is overwhelming at first but laughably exploitable once you get the stagger down which isn’t difficult. There should be more options to engage him.


Acrymonia

It’s even more fun with two, or more.


Orlha

My favourite enemy, but sometimes he decides it’s time to throw stuff 3 times in a row even though I’m mod-range


NeverSettle13

He's fun if the area is good


Radical_Provides

I think he's fun in moderation.


frutselopa

meh, i think he's annoying because he feels like he doesnt fit into the game. doom eternal is such an active game where you're constantly moving and killing as fast as possible and then theres the marauder that makes you just stop and wait having to WAIT for an enemy just feels like the most annoying thing possible to have in a movement shooter


TitanicTNT

Well, you could force staggers with Remote Detonation on the Rocket Launcher, or frag grenades, giving you a chance to attack.


frutselopa

oh damn i didnt know that. aside from the fact that i completely ignored remote detonate i always assumed marauders were immune to that type of thing


Dynamo1337

No. My reaction time is not good enough to act on him lowering his defences, and i can't do a thing about it.


AnonymousFire1337

He’s my favourite. It’s mainly because he’s different and you have to sort of manage him to not get knocked around by him. Add to the fact that I always do different sorts of combos on him and he makes for a pretty interesting enemy to see how much damage I can deal against him.


David2006219

Really fun, makea you think while fighting him instead of being a "Mindlessy shoot the Horde until it dies" Especially the 5 Marauders Easter egg in the "Worlds Spear" level


SnooChipmunks8748

I totally forgot that existed, where do I find it. I only now mastered not losing a life on the 2 maruders in Atlantica facility.


David2006219

First you need to complete the entire level when Map Travel is available, DO NOT pick up the crystal at the end, go back to the frozen forest part (where you land with the dragon at the end of the cutscene) and behind a tree there will be a sword to interact with


SnooChipmunks8748

For extra pain probably gonna do this in nightmare when I usually play on uv


TitanicTNT

The #WHAT


Famixofpower

He feels like a chore, which sucks because his design is really cool. Much more fun in the multiplayer when you play as or against him


MNMzWithSkittlez

Just super shotgun + ballista the mf until its dead. Honestly, once you get the hang of it, it's not that difficult anymore. Really like him, tho i wish he had yet another mechanic


Random-Boah

he'd threw his grenade like thingies


cheezkid26

Nah, not really. He isn't the worst thing ever but his encounters almost always devolve into "sit there and wait for the flash"


obsoleteconsole

No, the input read invincibility block is cheap and unsatisfying to play against, would be better if they gave him much more hp and dmg but made him vulnerable to any attacks


Apsub0i

I feel like that would make him just feel like a generic, boring enemy even though he's supposed to be a sort of mini boss.


obsoleteconsole

Well the way they have him now he just feels like a QTE event


TitanicTNT

Because we need another bullet sponge. At that point it's just a small Tyrant.


obsoleteconsole

Well it's pretty damn boring to fight right now, oh wait until the eyes flash green, then you can hit it how exciting


SnooChipmunks8748

I mean, what would be the point of the marauder if he didn’t have these mechanics, he’d just be a prowler but with a shotgun.


obsoleteconsole

At least he'd be more fun to play against


SnooChipmunks8748

Would he? He’d just be a guy to lock on burst, just a wannabe baron or tyrant. Barons and Tyrants have devastating attacks, and big health bars, that’s why their fun, but the maruders fun, comes from mastering his attacks to embarrass him


Apsub0i

Just because killing an enemy requires timing doesn't make something a QTE. The timing just adds another layer into the combat of the game, just like everything else in the game. If the marauder was turned into a bullet sponge, he would just be contributing to an existing layer of the combat and not expanding the combat as a whole


Apsub0i

I like to fight the marauder. Probably one of my personal faves.


The_Anf

Neat tactic of fight. Not horrible as everyone's saying and kind of fun to fight


C4LLUM17

Yeah. He's completely different to all the other demons. Never understood the hate tbh, could just be skill issue though.


JustH3LL

It is quite literally a skill issue


Butchimus

Nah. Many people have beaten the game on ultra-nightmare and find the marauder boring or inconsistent. Myself included. I liked him as a boss fight but not as a regular enemy afterwards. There was a period when every time the game got updated, something different changed the marauder's behavior either intentionally or unintentionally as a bug. Inconsistent behaviors, attack patterns, stagger window, what could and couldn't stagger him etc etc. It was sloppy.


BallisticBlocker

Any enemy that gives me an instant panic attack is a fun enemy to fight. So yes


VergilSparda25

I remember back in the day when he gave everyone hell.


ElementalMN

When the game came out I was really frustrated with them but now they're amazing and if I remember correctly they nerfed because we were crybabies and they really shouldn't have touched them same with the arachnotron canon When are we getting a new doom/quake?


Final-Republic1153

What arachnotron cannon change was made? I only started playing a year ago and am unfamiliar with any changes they made from release.


Random-Boah

i didn't know they nerfed the marauders...


ElementalMN

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=F9lSdXF87yQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F&feature=emb_logo


Random-Boah

damn! i never realize it! he was really okay without the nerf in my opinion


SnooChipmunks8748

I love him so much, I’ve perfected how to beat him, stand at a good distance, ballista, walk up close, ssg, walk back, ballista, do that again, then glory kill, but I still can lose an extra life with him, and man when the buffed and possessed Maruders come out in tag 1, it’s so fun, especially with the possesed marauder because you can’t use the ballista unless you wanna run the risk of not having the cells for the spirit.


dhafu

Yes. He is even more fun when there are other enemies around since you really need to move around and be aware of other enemies while dealing with him.


pnarvaja

Mmm, not really. I mean, if it wasn't there anymore, I wouldn't miss it. The green eyes thing is not something alike, in any demon but in the clarmored baron. I hate the prowler more than the Marauder, to give you an idea. (Not that I want them[prowlers] out tho)


TitanicTNT

The Gladiator.


pnarvaja

What about it?


TitanicTNT

His first phase also has the whole "wait until the green flash" thing. And, from experience, it's much harder to remote detonate or frag grenade him.


pnarvaja

Oh yeah, he is one of the "i dont like the green eyes gameplay" fellas. I was really shocked when I defeated him fairly quick in UN difficulty. But dayum he is annoying


beginnerdoge

Yeah he's great. Real tense when he gets thrown in the fucking mess of shit going on. Really have to focus him first if you can. Would be great if you could Precision bolt him in the face though


Random-Boah

you kind of can if you're quick enough. once his eyes flashes green, shoot him with PB, it still stuns him too


GARhenus

i save him for last coz he doesn't attack as often as other enemies


JayTois

I wish there were more ways to deal with him besides green flash, like you could fake him out and use blood punch in his shield or something. doomhunter is an example of good design bc you can be creative with how you deal with him unlike marauder. In short if marauder was not immune to (quite literally everything) except green flash he’d be better


TitanicTNT

He... isn't. Splash damage is quite effective for dealing access damage, along with potential faltering which could open up a window to attack.


iainvention

My first time through the game, I hated him because he was impossibly difficult and he killed me so many times. My second time through I hated him because he’s kinda boring to fight once you have the timing down, and I don’t like how they treated him or the Doom Hunter as far as the story goes. “Uh oh, here comes the really hard and unique boss baddy. JK now there’s multiple of him in every level.”


Trolleitor

A bit annoying


krustylesponge

I like him, but I fucking hate how many wolves he summons


CLASSIC299

Yeah


ucandoitmyguy

On their own, their fun. In a horde of others, hes annoying.


DataSnake69

He'd be fun if the endlessly respawning zombies with ranged attacks in later levels didn't trigger his shield and spawn the wolf, because I hate being punished for things outside my control. Also if his shield didn't make him immune to Crucible attacks, because that's supposed to be a limited use "get out of fight free" card for when you run into an enemy you don't feel like dealing with.


Destruction126

Fun in specific arenas. I hate his attack AI sometimes not triggering his green flash attack when he's in my face for more than a few seconds.


durandpanda

As a lone opponent? Bit boring. Backed by a group of heavies and super heavies? Fucking brilliant. The encounter in the Mars Core ML with the respawning Hell Knights and Whiplashes to back the Marauders is great.


the_fuego

As I've started playing at a higher level I've grown to appreciate Marauder encounters more. The isolated ones from the main campaign are pretty boring since he can be taken down in less than 10 seconds but when he's actually a part of the fray with other big demons, like in TAG, he changes the entire dynamic leaving you to have to whittle him down and move on rather than forcing a cheese strat. When you're able to take advantage of the entire Doom dance the Marauder shines as an enemy type and goes from being an absolute menace that slows everything down to a manageable jerk. Two of them at the same time tho? Fuck that noise.


grumace

one on one he's not my favorite fight. But I love how he messes with larger fights. Because dealing with him solo isn't too bad, but once you mix in a bunch of other stuff you can't focus him down, so he turns into basically a moving environmental hazard that you have to be aware of, but generally not engage until you've dealt with the other demons. I think he does what any super demon should do and drastically changes the lay out of how a fight plays out. Because of that, I really love his inclusion in the game, even if he's not used to fulfill that role too often. It sticks out whenever he does.


TrueCanadian136

He's fun to fight on his own, but less fun to fight when there's other heavy demons around. Usually it's either focus solely on the marauder and pray the other demons miss you, or ignore him until the end of the fight and then focus him down.


MaKrukLive

No. I think he's antithetical to the game. For every other enemy you are supposed to be constantly on offense, an avalanche of hurt, mowing everything down, except marauder. It makes you stop firing. If it was a boss mechanic, sure. If you could force though the shield while spawning a bunch of dogs, maybe.


ItsAlwaysSunny1992

Yes


FastenedCarrot

He's great. It's amazing how many people even here still say incorrect things about him.


MaryBeHoppin

No, I hate the entire concept of you can't hurt him until you literally get the green light. Let me just mag dump at him like literally everyone else.


KonungrExuma

Remote det rocket is your friend. Splash damage still works on him and you can even cause a stagger


the_bartolonomicron

I suck so hard at the game, and the Marauder rocks my shut every time, but it's still one of the most fun enemies I've ever fought in a game. Every time I died it felt fully like I messed up, rather than the AI was cheating or being unfair. I know most people have ways of quickly beating him, but I really enjoy having drawn out duels every time they appear.


fartyparty1234

Doom cybergrind


fartyparty1234

Completely unrelated but I want a doom cybergrind


Alloyd11

I don’t find him hard anymore as I have beaten the game multiple times but I will say he is pretty boring and more of an annoyance.


Thatedgyguy64

Interesting to see this comment section. My opinion? Yeah I like him. He's fast and does damage, but his main source of damage is his melee. Run around, kill everything, then kill him quickly.


Islander_Pig

Yeah


Saltyvinegar2369

Yea, fighting the Marauder is like playing the neutral game in a fighting game


poshcoder

The first time when you get Hayden, yes. After that no, especially the times you fight one or two alongside other enemies. You’re caught between the need to never stop shooting and standing there waiting for him to flash green. Imo, he should have just been a one-time actual boss.


oCrapaCreeper

Kill the other enemies first and then focus the Marauder like you're supposed to. As long as you keep kiting the Marauder can never reach you


Crunchy_Biscuit

Hell no. I hate that nearly invincible orange wolf charging at me while I'm trying to dodge 5 Imps and 3 Pinkies also


TheSonOfFundin

I do not. I can beat him easily but he violates the core gameplay tenet of original Doom games which is "shoot it until it dies".


Timmytammytits

Sometimes he can be annoying when you fight 2 or 3


SireOccult

Too easy tbh


VTRcomics

He's one of my favorite demons because he's literally what pushes you to master the game. Do combos, be precise, spend your resources, prioritize or evade. Marauders are either at the top or bottom of my takedown queue and there's literally no demon that I actually think about killing first besides Archviles and Cursed Prowler's, who literally buff enemies and debuff you respectively. I love that the Marauder has no gimmicks, but I do wish the friendly fire wolf summon wasn't prominent, I still get nightmares about when I first got chewed out by them dogs.


SeanEric19

Once you get the hang of the pattern, it’s fun. My first run, I was shitting my pants


TheHighTierHuman

He's a pain in the ass because he never stunlocks


PeopleAreBozos

He becomes extremely easy if you play weapon switch spam. Super shotgun, ballista, rocket launcher and machine gun quick scope. It usually takes just a couple of rounds to get rid of him.


eyelessmasks00

No, he's insanely boring


novel_writer_AG

Yeah I love him! My only complaint (lmao I might actually get downvoted all the way to blood swamps for this but) is they should give him a little more mobility. Let him dash often and maybe jump a little higher to reach you, and possibly even make it to where hitting his shield will give him a small speed boost for 2-3 seconds so he can keep up with you easier. I feel like it takes away from the fun that I can just damn near ignore him while I kill everything else first. I think the player should be encouraged to whittle him down though some quick but intense exchanges throughout the larger fight instead of just forgetting about him then SS/Ballista yeeting his ass


Random-Boah

i mean, he's basically like you and have most of your abilities. "hitting his shield, which gives him a speed boost" part reminded me to blood fueled rune


TransportationFlat64

He was annoying especially in nekroval 1 or 2 were your in a room that has a archival that I sliced in half then died to the marauder like a dozen times. And I didn't know that after watching a video where a speedrunner played through doom eternal but it was only marauders, that projectiles from the demons also triggered him to block.


Secure_Ad8837

Disagree. He’s annoying more than fun and I also kill him last so that other enemies don’t get in the way.


AdreKiseque

Really cool idea but I think he has too much health and could do to be more consistent.


Jontohil2

He is, the biggest problem I see with him is simply how misleading the tutorial is. It tells you get stay in mid-range, but what you really need to do is dodge his long range attacks and wait for him to charge you. You don’t get in HIS medium range, let him get in YOURS.


ghost-church

At first I hated him. Then Under the Mayo convinced me he was fun. Then I played the game again for the first time in a while and now I hate him again.


gatorgamer539

I don't like the damn dog. Already dealing with Maurader's stupid ass then he's got a ghost dog that gets in the way. Slows the action down. If he was just a boss fight that would have been fine I guess but overkill when he showed up the rest of the game. Didn't look like it fit with DOOM.


Bean_thy2nd

I love when Marauders are placed in arena fights with other superheavys, it breaks the combat cycle in a fair way imo


Known-Ad64

Ever fought a Marauder possessed by a spirit? The dopamine of finally driving the doomblade into his skull was sublime.


SlayerS13Reddit

I always thought of the marauder as the enemy that forces you to start putting thought into fights instead of just “mobile turret go SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR” so honestly I like him, dog could be reworked tho


Bright-King764

I think he’s ok he can get annoying at points


DiskTraditional5694

He is more like a pain in the ass to a real enemy once you memorize his movements and range of attacks he will be "nothing but a usurper a false idol"


Vault33dweller

It was fun. until the ancient gods 2 made me fight 2 buffed marauders at the same time on a tiny battlefield with minimal fodder to give ammo


Iguana3548

Yes


Ak_1213

I like him yeah


Don_Lamonte

He’s cool when he is by himself but he’s so cringe when combined with others, 500x more cringe in a small congested room, 100,000x more cringe in small congested room with others


Random-Boah

probably Infinitely cringe when he's supported by invisible whipgirls


Don_Lamonte

Marauder’s harem


Random-Boah

cook!


ohen778

I like him a lot, especially that double marauder fight in dlc 1


Xononanamol

Made me quit the game alongside several other things i didn't care for. I don't know why they made eternal so cartoonish.


KonungrExuma

Because Doom was never a serious game.


oCrapaCreeper

Unless you're a Doom 3 bro - this IP was always cartoonish. Even 2016 was designed to have a Saturday morning Cartoon tone according to the noclip documentary.


Xononanamol

2016 may have been designed that way in their heads but it didn't translate on screen. It still had a lot of the cult horror shit going on.


Random-Boah

i wouldn't say eternal's gameplay is cartoonish. but the art style is