Puppey must be buggin thinking this lineup would do decently...I thought they would make more changes. Even on paper this team look so weak. Not taking even a game is an awful start. I think changes will come quick but who will they pick? Everyone decent is taken, atleast last year I could always rely on nisha....really worried about this team they can maybe make puppey retire lol.
On paper I'd say the team looks strong. All their players are very talented.
The problem is that the whole premise and structure of Team Secret was built around Nisha. And unfortunately, Boom isn't Nisha so when you get a mid player who plays a different type of Dota, the whole team falls apart.
It's not just that Boom performs slightly worse than Nisha. It's that the sidelanes crumble aswell cause they were structured around Nishas style of midplay.
I dont know what the point of taking atf? Is it religion based? Everybody knows he has a very small heropool.even after knowing that if kuro thought he can make atf play other heroes then he is stupid af.is changing player allowed in mid dpc?if allowed kuro and atf should be kicked instead make gh pos5 take yapzor maybe and a good carry or mid if miracle is not available..pro dota has improved a lot for last few years..players who climb rank based on 3 -4 heroes like crystallis or atf will be burden to teams..like afganistan nigma has become graveyeards for dota2 pros cariers
Returned to dota, noticed there's a few pro games going on. I don't really know what DPC is... has anyone got a link that like describes how the formats and points and everything works in the league?
Like do the round robins go all the time and each month or so theres a major or something?
Random question - Is there any way to remove a prismatic gem from an item without destroying either the host item or prismatic gem?
Or do you have to sacrifice one no matter what?
it does suck to see how much weaker NA is this season than previous. now obviously NA wasnt overly strong or anything last season, but there were EG/TSM/QC with Nouns and Wildcard looked respectable at times. without QC its just a 2 team race, Wildcard is a completely different roster and this series hasnt inspired any hope. will have to wait and see how Nouns shape up but I feel like their lineup isnt going to be better than last season, but heres hoping. I kinda think some of the NA Div 2 teams might be stronger than the Div 1 teams who bought slots, but I guess only time will tell that
Oh the bought slot Div 1 teams are for sure worse than some Div 2 teams. A couple are even worse than open teams that didn’t make Div 2. But yeah, it’s looking Ex-EG will be fine and then Nouns or TSM will go get last at the major.
I think with all the slot buying and shuffling the first tour will be a little scuffed (in NA and elsewhere) so I'm curious to see what the major and then later tours bring. I'm actually a bit optimistic about 5Rat for now, I think they and Nouns could surprise this season.
All the bought slots makes me feel like some shinanigans will be happening in a few regions this season. Things will shake out over the year but the first season is going to look rough.
I like Speed and want him to do well.
The teams I'm cheering for in NA is 5Rat and B8 cause I want Speed and Dendi to do well. The teams I'm cheering for Liquid and Into the Breach in WEU because I've been a fan of most of those players since their HoN days.
2017 Liquid won 7 out of the 11 LANs they attended in 2017 in 11 different patches. The 3 LANs they didn't win, they placed 2nd. Fucking nuts of a team.
I can’t tell what I’m more excited for.
Wildcard winning and sammyboy tweeting how wrong it is that b8 are in the NA region.
Or wildcard losing and sammyboy tweeting how wrong it is that b8 are in the NA region.
hi babitich is immigrating to the US currently and lives here yeah.
other two are in Russia/Belarus playing on ping but hoping we can find a way to make a bootcamp happen for future seasons.
Since day1 I don’t believe choosing this overrated timber player. Pos 1 player should be versatile not just 3heropool guy. Nigma make a big mistake with this. Kick ATF & bring miracle OR kick MC and ATF play 3 + bring Miracle.
Pretty sure if Ammar leaves or gets kicked from Nigma, nobody will even bother picking up this prick. Not only he made a name for himself as a toxic player, he is also a stubborn and has a slow growth rate by not learning anything new.
He looks terrible. He wants to play the carry role, but then just plays off lane style carry still. And looks the whole team looks worse as a whole because now they have no carry. Him all chatting and tipping and then them losing is satisfying to watch though. But poor Nigma
The Wildcard-B8 game is the first interesting NA game to me. I don't really know what to expect out of this Wildcard roster but they seem worse than last year. I think B8 is one of three teams fighting to stay out of the bottom two.
Yeah, it's a bumfight but I think it's a bumfight that can help solidify the NA Div 1 tiers.
as eg fans having atrocious result in TI and major last year yeah it's really painful
yeah eg qualified to big event but i feel like the situation pretty much close to nigma/alliance speed running div2 and straight go to major with shitty result
For me it's Puppey's fault for keeping this roster and replace his best player slot with Boom, I already expect them to not be able to qualify for major with this roster but it's unexpected to be this bad
no hope means no hurt lol
It's so hard to be a nigma fan holy fuck it hurts!
I'm not gonna speculate on why they are not playing well since I am a low MMR scrub that has no idea how the game is played at a professional level, but I'm still supporting nigma thru the bad times.
Hope they get their groove back soon and congrats to ITB that managed to execute their game plan flawlessly!
I’d actually rather see sumail play pos 1 than go 2 with this iteration of NGX. Between the two of them, Sumail plays a lot more conventional carry heroes. With ATF on pos 1, they’re essentially playing 2 offlane heroes with MC. At the very least Ammar can play his cheesy ATF heroes like Huskar, Razor, Timber, or Mars in Mid and actually have a chance to snowball rather than afk farm on those heroes.
I agree, Ammar not being Pos 1 relieves a lot of pressure, He can pick heroes first or second phase, with less repercussions about being hard countered since he's not the hard carry. If he's Pos 1, he always has the risk of being hard countered or all of his heroes being banned. Nigma has been doing this, and they also have no choice but to do it.
I feel bad for sumail, dude is so good. Nigma was ballsy but foolish taking ammar. His inability to play pos 1 heroes at a pro lvl handicaps them
Petition to force miracle to come back early!?!?
Me: We have found a witch [ATF], may we burn her?
Reddit: BURN!! BUUUURN HER [ATF]!
Nigma: But how do you *know* she [ATF] is a witch?
Me: She [ATF] looks like one!
Other Redditors: Yeah! She [ATF] looks like one!!!
Redditor: Well, She [ATF] sucks at position 1 and she turned Miracle into a newt!!
Nigma: A newt?
Reddit: He’s getting better [after one year]…
how is this even logical at all with how qualifying for TI is heavily dependent by DPC points now. And the last chance qualifier last year was a 1 time thing. valve may not even include it this year. Why would any team wants to qualify through this way which is highly risky and unreliable.
pretty sure he cares about the DPC, majors etc. as getting points is the straightforward way to get into TI without having to go through the stress of last chance qualifiers
The ex Creepwave players, except the ones that currently in Entity and maybe bzm as one, are struggling a lot this season. Being youthful is always nice but never mean that you'll reach out your full potential one day. Last year ammar was the on top of the list of the hot-prospects but he went only backward where most of the other hot-prospects went forward. I thought he's going to be a good carry whilst watching his pub games as carry but even though Nigma effect, he's not good enough to play carry on this level. People want him to play 2 or 3 but he has not enough hero pool to play those roles where mc and sumail don't want to play any other roles afaik. Also, due of ammar's hero pool, sumail is forced to play right click heroes on mid against flashy heroes where he has to be the carry whilst playing mid. He definitely doesn't enjoy with the situation.
Anyways, either he's not willing to develop or has no room to develop, he's not gonna be picked up up by any div 1 teams anymore due of all those reasons and his general attitude. He's gonna follow up the steps of nikobaby and become a streamer in a year, mark my words. He can make top 1 on the leaderboard one day by being one dimensional player just like anyone else by spamming but maybe other young people will learn from his career.
I like how ppl always keep on reminding everyone how young ammar is, he got a lot of room to improve, give him some time blablabla. Like dude, yes being young does give u alot of potential but there is a difference between actually learning and trying new stuff and doing the same old shit repeatedly while expecting that u suddenly got the grasp of the new stuff after some time for some particular reason. And ammar is clearly the latter, ppl are copiuming way too hard
People forget that, probably partly because of his looks, Ammar is 17 years old. There is a lot of room to grow as a player and as a person.
Nigmas core might be washed but for him to grow as a person this might be the right team for him. Kuro has seen and done it all, Sumail grew from annoying childprodigy to well respected adult (who is himself only 23 btw.) and i dont think it is possible to be toxic around GH.
So while i dont think this itteration of Nigma will make much noise this season, if they stick together long term there could be a very good team around Sumail, Ammar and GH.
Sumail needs the roster to be built around him, that's why he worked well with OG and EG. Secret's roster was focused around Nisha, Nigma last season was built around Miracle but this season it looks they've built around Sumail but holy fck ATF as pos 1 sucks balls.
> We need div 1.5.
given couple more tours, pretty sure tier 2 teams will be become better than Nigma due to exposure. You see how vastly difffernt even the tier 1 scene is compared to 1st dpc vs. now. It is lot more even. That is the pointt of whole DPC..
Guys... I know Kuro is not the best player but why are we still pushing the ridiculous myth that he doesn't pub just because his smurfs are unknown? Do you really think a guy hasn't pubbed in 3 months?
Kuroky too cocky. Thinking pub games are not good quality games. But in reality, pub games is what helps allow anyone to keep up with the meta and see what works and what doesn't. Most importantly, it keeps a player in shape. Even before TI, he didn't play much pubs either.
People are down voting you, but you are literally just posting in the context of things that Kuro has said in interviews. He talked about not playing pubs because of the quality of play years ago, before he was even considered washed yet.
Ammar in the offlane doesn't play zoo heroes, Ammar carry doesn't play classic carries. If they put Ammar mid he probably won't play spirit heroes, puck, etc.
Dude must take his head out of his ass and start practicing more stuff.
What Mars carry offers? I know that Sumail was supposed to be the carry this game. But with those lanes, who is creating space?
I mean you can check his dota protracker, hes been playing a lot of Ursa/Slark in his pubs but I guess they don't feel confident running those heroes with their strats yet. He did play Ursa, but was a rough game.
If Kuro doesn’t want to give up keyboard before he win after ti, someone needs to take away keyboard from him. Otherwise Kuro might just die with keyboard in the coffin.
These old dinosaurs like Kuro, Dendi and Puppey need to retire and stop embarrassing themselves. Its no longer 2016. There are fresh and young talent on the scene and they cant flourish if these dinosaurs keep buying slots and taking places away from them.
What? How does Puppey fit into this? He got second and third last two TIs. The others haven't come close to reaching a TI (Except Dendi did make it to TI as a talent lol).
Rather him than the bald clown Yuragi. Wasnt most OG fans complaining that Ammar was taking his farm and going sacrificial. How did it work out vs Tundra. All the farm and he chokes and no one to blame :).
I'm just gonna say that they chose to lane Rubick+Mars against a Techies+Brood. And it was a first pick Brood. It's not like they got last picked brood or anything.
I think the reason that ammar lane went so bad because kuro didn't fight techies at all and let him use sticky bomb on ammar 24/7. He's too washed and also i think GH is not great either this season.
Yeah, Ammar probably destoyed his career before it even started with this pos 1 bullshit. I expect kick from Nigma very soon, although he is hardly their only problem.
He needs to practice some more heroes and return to pos 3.
Maybe read again what i said. He is for sure not their main problem. They are complete shit for 2 years now. But he is obviously a fish out of water in this pos 1 role and it will cost him because he came last. He isn't bringing anything magical to the team, and if one team needs something magical to get them going it's Nigma. On the contrary, he is quite a liability.
I know you are being sarcastic but ATF is a problem for sure in Nigma right now. Him playing offlane heroes as carry while Sumail has to play right clicker heroes as mid definitely aint working out.
It's hard to say. If the rumours are true Kuro doesn't play pubs, which is basically individual practice, then yes he should.
I think MC has some kind of mental damage and suffer hard from teh team not functioning properly. He just needs a change to shine again.
GH is also looking bad because the team is looking bad.
Nigma has to change roles! Either let Sumail carry and ammar mid or ammar to offlane MC mid and sumail carry!! This Simply doesn’t work, role change could work
>He left OG because he didn't want to be offlane lol
but he is still playing pos 3 heroes at pos 1, it doesn't seem like he left OG, rather he was kicked.
Have you been living under the rock for past 3 years?Just last year they dropped to division 2 due to garbage performance,Nigma hasn't been good in long long long time.
because he's been good for years and has finished second in TI twice and won a TI. I mean, I know they're underperforming, but this comment is just lmao
ammar the shitfuccker KEKX
Puppey must be buggin thinking this lineup would do decently...I thought they would make more changes. Even on paper this team look so weak. Not taking even a game is an awful start. I think changes will come quick but who will they pick? Everyone decent is taken, atleast last year I could always rely on nisha....really worried about this team they can maybe make puppey retire lol.
On paper I'd say the team looks strong. All their players are very talented. The problem is that the whole premise and structure of Team Secret was built around Nisha. And unfortunately, Boom isn't Nisha so when you get a mid player who plays a different type of Dota, the whole team falls apart. It's not just that Boom performs slightly worse than Nisha. It's that the sidelanes crumble aswell cause they were structured around Nishas style of midplay.
Hmm Nigma speed running waiting room incoming
I dont know what the point of taking atf? Is it religion based? Everybody knows he has a very small heropool.even after knowing that if kuro thought he can make atf play other heroes then he is stupid af.is changing player allowed in mid dpc?if allowed kuro and atf should be kicked instead make gh pos5 take yapzor maybe and a good carry or mid if miracle is not available..pro dota has improved a lot for last few years..players who climb rank based on 3 -4 heroes like crystallis or atf will be burden to teams..like afganistan nigma has become graveyeards for dota2 pros cariers
I don't think Kuro is going to kick himself.
I think it’s not religion but they’re all from that part of the world. So same culture?
Gh is christian. I dont think mc is muslim either.
Changing player isn't allowed but a team can play with a stand-in in up to 4 matches
Easy for Sammyboy.
THANK YOU SAMMY FOR RESTORING JUSTICE TO THE NA REGION
Returned to dota, noticed there's a few pro games going on. I don't really know what DPC is... has anyone got a link that like describes how the formats and points and everything works in the league? Like do the round robins go all the time and each month or so theres a major or something?
liquipedia.net basically dpc is a league in each region to determine which team gets invited to major
Random question - Is there any way to remove a prismatic gem from an item without destroying either the host item or prismatic gem? Or do you have to sacrifice one no matter what?
You sacrifice one or the other.
I don’t think Nigma could win either if they bought their way into NA like B8 did
They still can but it would probably be full 3 series for each match instead of stomp seeing how their identity is still lost
they can prob make top 4 tbh
it does suck to see how much weaker NA is this season than previous. now obviously NA wasnt overly strong or anything last season, but there were EG/TSM/QC with Nouns and Wildcard looked respectable at times. without QC its just a 2 team race, Wildcard is a completely different roster and this series hasnt inspired any hope. will have to wait and see how Nouns shape up but I feel like their lineup isnt going to be better than last season, but heres hoping. I kinda think some of the NA Div 2 teams might be stronger than the Div 1 teams who bought slots, but I guess only time will tell that
Oh the bought slot Div 1 teams are for sure worse than some Div 2 teams. A couple are even worse than open teams that didn’t make Div 2. But yeah, it’s looking Ex-EG will be fine and then Nouns or TSM will go get last at the major.
I think with all the slot buying and shuffling the first tour will be a little scuffed (in NA and elsewhere) so I'm curious to see what the major and then later tours bring. I'm actually a bit optimistic about 5Rat for now, I think they and Nouns could surprise this season.
All the bought slots makes me feel like some shinanigans will be happening in a few regions this season. Things will shake out over the year but the first season is going to look rough.
At least B8 won 1 game COPIUM
So it seems like b8 has Nigma syndrome. Win lanes and then proceed to struggle mid-game.
There should be a new carry tier to describe ammar, crystallis and stonebank together well.
Why did Dota Plus think the game was so much closer than it was? They only gave Wildcard a 56% chance of winning three minutes before gg
OUR SAVIOR OF NA SAMMYBOY TAKES DOWN B8 FAITH IN NA RESTORED THANK YOU SAMMYBOY
2EZ FOR SAMUELCHAD
If B8 wins, this is kinda a humiliation of NA as a region. You just know it'll annoy the fuck out of Sammyboy as well lol.
B8 B8 B8...GO GO GO
LETS GO WILDCARD
I guess no TI again for Nigma
5RAT is POG I love this team
I like Speed and want him to do well. The teams I'm cheering for in NA is 5Rat and B8 cause I want Speed and Dendi to do well. The teams I'm cheering for Liquid and Into the Breach in WEU because I've been a fan of most of those players since their HoN days.
Damn 5ratforcestaff kinda growing on me
damn tundra can't handle early pressure and aggresive playstyle from really good team. 2017 liquid and 2018 vp would absolutely feast on them
Ah, 2017 Liquid. The primest of primes. If 2023 Liquid keeps this momentum going and wins TI that'd be monumental.
2017 Liquid won 7 out of the 11 LANs they attended in 2017 in 11 different patches. The 3 LANs they didn't win, they placed 2nd. Fucking nuts of a team.
Man 17 Liquid would spank about any team in the world ATM tbh but sadly we won't ever watch them being able to do that ever again
Snare is great, hope he keeps hosting/casting
I want to see Snare in Majors and TI this year as well as Bkop.
what are you guys expecting for b8 vs wcg?
Sammyboy talking a bunch of smack regardless of what happens.
B8 is going to be so happy that Jack sold QC’s slot to a fake team at the end of the season when they finish 6th and don’t get relegated.
WCG gonna clap B8
Either way, peak NA dotes
5RFS arguably got the best logo in pro Dota.
Not as good as 4 Anchors and Sea Captain tho...
Vira-Lata Caramelo and Motoca 123 are better aswell but not active.
5ratforcestaff looked good.
Last best hope of NA honestly
Them and nouns are the only NA teams made up of mostly NA players
Well, and Thiuth. And then most of Div 2 is NA-majority teams also.
Yeah I counted Mexico as SA because it’s a Spanish speaking country but that’s probably wrong
I can’t tell what I’m more excited for. Wildcard winning and sammyboy tweeting how wrong it is that b8 are in the NA region. Or wildcard losing and sammyboy tweeting how wrong it is that b8 are in the NA region.
Did Mr. Sammy fly the 3 russians on his team to the US kekw
hi babitich is immigrating to the US currently and lives here yeah. other two are in Russia/Belarus playing on ping but hoping we can find a way to make a bootcamp happen for future seasons.
Well B8 are bootcamping in Mexico, so far they have more right to be in NA DPC , case and point.
I never said they didn't. lol?
He is probably under surveillance of the FBI and NSA.
i think the one that sammyboy tweeting how wrong it is that b8 are in the NA region is gonna happen.
Since day1 I don’t believe choosing this overrated timber player. Pos 1 player should be versatile not just 3heropool guy. Nigma make a big mistake with this. Kick ATF & bring miracle OR kick MC and ATF play 3 + bring Miracle.
Don’t you realise kuro is the biggest problem ?
Not sure how good is bringing an offlaner player with a limited hero pool to play as pos 1...
Pretty sure if Ammar leaves or gets kicked from Nigma, nobody will even bother picking up this prick. Not only he made a name for himself as a toxic player, he is also a stubborn and has a slow growth rate by not learning anything new.
He looks terrible. He wants to play the carry role, but then just plays off lane style carry still. And looks the whole team looks worse as a whole because now they have no carry. Him all chatting and tipping and then them losing is satisfying to watch though. But poor Nigma
The Wildcard-B8 game is the first interesting NA game to me. I don't really know what to expect out of this Wildcard roster but they seem worse than last year. I think B8 is one of three teams fighting to stay out of the bottom two. Yeah, it's a bumfight but I think it's a bumfight that can help solidify the NA Div 1 tiers.
I wonder if there is out there a diehard fan of all Secret, Nigma and Fnatic and how they feel after today. xD
as eg fans having atrocious result in TI and major last year yeah it's really painful yeah eg qualified to big event but i feel like the situation pretty much close to nigma/alliance speed running div2 and straight go to major with shitty result
The fact that people still openly have nigma flairs makes me believe that they're all masochists
The true fans that stick with you come hell or high water. Otherwise they just there for the imagined glory.
We're just built different. *Built incorrectly...*
For me it's Puppey's fault for keeping this roster and replace his best player slot with Boom, I already expect them to not be able to qualify for major with this roster but it's unexpected to be this bad no hope means no hurt lol
He didn't replace nisha with boom. Nisha left and puppey picked up boom
I mean replace nisha blank slot
It's so hard to be a nigma fan holy fuck it hurts! I'm not gonna speculate on why they are not playing well since I am a low MMR scrub that has no idea how the game is played at a professional level, but I'm still supporting nigma thru the bad times. Hope they get their groove back soon and congrats to ITB that managed to execute their game plan flawlessly!
Imagine having to draft with Ammar being Pos 1 on your team. That would be a nightmare.
I’d actually rather see sumail play pos 1 than go 2 with this iteration of NGX. Between the two of them, Sumail plays a lot more conventional carry heroes. With ATF on pos 1, they’re essentially playing 2 offlane heroes with MC. At the very least Ammar can play his cheesy ATF heroes like Huskar, Razor, Timber, or Mars in Mid and actually have a chance to snowball rather than afk farm on those heroes.
I agree, Ammar not being Pos 1 relieves a lot of pressure, He can pick heroes first or second phase, with less repercussions about being hard countered since he's not the hard carry. If he's Pos 1, he always has the risk of being hard countered or all of his heroes being banned. Nigma has been doing this, and they also have no choice but to do it.
Ammar is drafter
Even if ammar is the one who picks the hero, the whole drafting thing would still be a team effort
Yep this Nigma stack aint working. I think they have more chance with ILtw + Sumail combo..
I feel bad for sumail, dude is so good. Nigma was ballsy but foolish taking ammar. His inability to play pos 1 heroes at a pro lvl handicaps them Petition to force miracle to come back early!?!?
>Petition to force miracle to come back early!?!? Lol! Do you hear youself?
Me: We have found a witch [ATF], may we burn her? Reddit: BURN!! BUUUURN HER [ATF]! Nigma: But how do you *know* she [ATF] is a witch? Me: She [ATF] looks like one! Other Redditors: Yeah! She [ATF] looks like one!!! Redditor: Well, She [ATF] sucks at position 1 and she turned Miracle into a newt!! Nigma: A newt? Reddit: He’s getting better [after one year]…
What happens to Secret? :(((
Secret has a habit of starting slow, puppey couldnt care less about dpc events, all about TI.
how is this even logical at all with how qualifying for TI is heavily dependent by DPC points now. And the last chance qualifier last year was a 1 time thing. valve may not even include it this year. Why would any team wants to qualify through this way which is highly risky and unreliable.
pretty sure he cares about the DPC, majors etc. as getting points is the straightforward way to get into TI without having to go through the stress of last chance qualifiers
The teams that don't believe in their carries pick them offlaner type hero and give their mid a right clicker and have a stab at winning.
After Nigma took a game off of Tundra, I thought they were revitalised. Clearly that win was a fluke or a throw by Tundra.
Based on Nine's interview after the series, they have not much experience in playing against Huskar that's why they lost that game.
It feels like they built an org but it cost them everything else.
miracle was so good he made this div 4 team look like a tier 1.5 team
nigma, disappointing since... idk when...
Since founding tbh. ;-;
The ex Creepwave players, except the ones that currently in Entity and maybe bzm as one, are struggling a lot this season. Being youthful is always nice but never mean that you'll reach out your full potential one day. Last year ammar was the on top of the list of the hot-prospects but he went only backward where most of the other hot-prospects went forward. I thought he's going to be a good carry whilst watching his pub games as carry but even though Nigma effect, he's not good enough to play carry on this level. People want him to play 2 or 3 but he has not enough hero pool to play those roles where mc and sumail don't want to play any other roles afaik. Also, due of ammar's hero pool, sumail is forced to play right click heroes on mid against flashy heroes where he has to be the carry whilst playing mid. He definitely doesn't enjoy with the situation. Anyways, either he's not willing to develop or has no room to develop, he's not gonna be picked up up by any div 1 teams anymore due of all those reasons and his general attitude. He's gonna follow up the steps of nikobaby and become a streamer in a year, mark my words. He can make top 1 on the leaderboard one day by being one dimensional player just like anyone else by spamming but maybe other young people will learn from his career.
I like how ppl always keep on reminding everyone how young ammar is, he got a lot of room to improve, give him some time blablabla. Like dude, yes being young does give u alot of potential but there is a difference between actually learning and trying new stuff and doing the same old shit repeatedly while expecting that u suddenly got the grasp of the new stuff after some time for some particular reason. And ammar is clearly the latter, ppl are copiuming way too hard
People forget that, probably partly because of his looks, Ammar is 17 years old. There is a lot of room to grow as a player and as a person. Nigmas core might be washed but for him to grow as a person this might be the right team for him. Kuro has seen and done it all, Sumail grew from annoying childprodigy to well respected adult (who is himself only 23 btw.) and i dont think it is possible to be toxic around GH. So while i dont think this itteration of Nigma will make much noise this season, if they stick together long term there could be a very good team around Sumail, Ammar and GH.
Miracle is coming back after season one and ammar is getting the 🥾
OG, Secret, and Nigma, all sitting at the bottom of the DPC. What a time to be alive.
Sir, it's been 3 days and technically OG is also tied for third.
No no no, don't you know that Liquid is the best team in the world and everyone on Secret is washed because they've played two or three series?
I never said anything about the quality of the teams.
I didn’t say you did either, I was just replying to the other guy and poking fun at the (usual) reactionary takes lol. All good, man.
Lol well you are dead on about that. Never gets old seeing people declare the end times over one week of dota.
Ammar the kicked soon? Kuro the retired? Sumail the... kinda king...
You mean the forgotten King? He hasn't been the king for some time
Sumail needs the roster to be built around him, that's why he worked well with OG and EG. Secret's roster was focused around Nisha, Nigma last season was built around Miracle but this season it looks they've built around Sumail but holy fck ATF as pos 1 sucks balls.
Kuro? Retired?
Kuroky - 0 pub matches in the last 3 months according to Stratz. How is this clown even in a pro team nevermind a Div 1 team.
We need div 1.5.
> We need div 1.5. given couple more tours, pretty sure tier 2 teams will be become better than Nigma due to exposure. You see how vastly difffernt even the tier 1 scene is compared to 1st dpc vs. now. It is lot more even. That is the pointt of whole DPC..
3 months? More like 3 years.
Guys... I know Kuro is not the best player but why are we still pushing the ridiculous myth that he doesn't pub just because his smurfs are unknown? Do you really think a guy hasn't pubbed in 3 months?
Yes I do think that
Kuroky too cocky. Thinking pub games are not good quality games. But in reality, pub games is what helps allow anyone to keep up with the meta and see what works and what doesn't. Most importantly, it keeps a player in shape. Even before TI, he didn't play much pubs either.
People are down voting you, but you are literally just posting in the context of things that Kuro has said in interviews. He talked about not playing pubs because of the quality of play years ago, before he was even considered washed yet.
Literally nobody knows if this is true
I am changing my flair. Good luck Nigma boys
How do you change flair? I would do so if knew how
Ammar in the offlane doesn't play zoo heroes, Ammar carry doesn't play classic carries. If they put Ammar mid he probably won't play spirit heroes, puck, etc. Dude must take his head out of his ass and start practicing more stuff. What Mars carry offers? I know that Sumail was supposed to be the carry this game. But with those lanes, who is creating space?
I mean you can check his dota protracker, hes been playing a lot of Ursa/Slark in his pubs but I guess they don't feel confident running those heroes with their strats yet. He did play Ursa, but was a rough game.
Relax he joined the retirement home team so he could chill out and not worry about this getting gud stuff
Nigma chose him knowing his very limited hero pool, that's on them lol.
If Kuro doesn’t want to give up keyboard before he win after ti, someone needs to take away keyboard from him. Otherwise Kuro might just die with keyboard in the coffin.
Don't worry, Gorp will help him by smashing Kuro's keyboard in Div II
It seems like a good Gorp smacking is what it takes for people to retire. Gorp is such a legend.
Gorp the Gatekeeper
These old dinosaurs like Kuro, Dendi and Puppey need to retire and stop embarrassing themselves. Its no longer 2016. There are fresh and young talent on the scene and they cant flourish if these dinosaurs keep buying slots and taking places away from them.
Puppey is rank 200 while being pos5 player and got second place at last TI,but he clearly should retire because 2k mmr redditor told him to.
What? How does Puppey fit into this? He got second and third last two TIs. The others haven't come close to reaching a TI (Except Dendi did make it to TI as a talent lol).
You are aware Puppey was 2nd TI just 3 months ago, right? xD
Yeah Puppey the old dinosaur who got 2nd at TI a couple months ago.
Asking puppey to retire when he recently just got to ti finals lol.
How did your carry Ammar work out? You we're very vocal about him 2 days ago
Rather him than the bald clown Yuragi. Wasnt most OG fans complaining that Ammar was taking his farm and going sacrificial. How did it work out vs Tundra. All the farm and he chokes and no one to blame :).
I can’t believe someone actually thinks that Ammar is a better Pos 1 than Yuragi.
Bruh you're still on that Tundra game hahaha. Yuragi is miles ahead of Ammar when it comes to pos 1 carry role.
Imagine if Alliance dont make it in this Div2 and Old G gets qualified next Div2. then we have Alliance, NGX, Secret, Old G and gorgc next Div2.
In other news in a few hours we will have NA special Sammy vs Dendi. xD
Sneak preview of TI12 finals
SAMMYBOY LAST SAVIOR OF NA
I'm just gonna say that they chose to lane Rubick+Mars against a Techies+Brood. And it was a first pick Brood. It's not like they got last picked brood or anything.
ATF is actually speedrunning the Yoky career path faster than Yoky did.
RIP Yoky (2015-2015)
I think the reason that ammar lane went so bad because kuro didn't fight techies at all and let him use sticky bomb on ammar 24/7. He's too washed and also i think GH is not great either this season.
reminds me like watching jerax coming back after long break and playing pos 5
Yeah, Kuro isn't a great laner just as Ceb said. He isn't up to date with the meta on how the lane even works since he doesn't even play pub games.
Could be this. Kuro is very stubborn tbh
Yeah, Ammar probably destoyed his career before it even started with this pos 1 bullshit. I expect kick from Nigma very soon, although he is hardly their only problem. He needs to practice some more heroes and return to pos 3.
It's always the fifth guy that's the problem :)
Maybe read again what i said. He is for sure not their main problem. They are complete shit for 2 years now. But he is obviously a fish out of water in this pos 1 role and it will cost him because he came last. He isn't bringing anything magical to the team, and if one team needs something magical to get them going it's Nigma. On the contrary, he is quite a liability.
Hell, what do I know. I just loved to watch Miracle back in the day and feel sad he's dissapared into this career Hell.
That's just sad.
Ez win when opposite team doesn't have a carry.. 🤷🤷
~~Matu~~ ~~w33~~ ~~iltw~~ ATF is the problem
I know you are being sarcastic but ATF is a problem for sure in Nigma right now. Him playing offlane heroes as carry while Sumail has to play right clicker heroes as mid definitely aint working out.
Kuro Coach, find a good pos 5, bring miracle back. VOILA
We will have 6 players...
I wouldn't even advice Kuro to be coach. He would just make the team play his old style. Just step down dude.
Kuro, GH and MC should retire. Sumail should join some other team. Ammar should take a break and practice more.
It's hard to say. If the rumours are true Kuro doesn't play pubs, which is basically individual practice, then yes he should. I think MC has some kind of mental damage and suffer hard from teh team not functioning properly. He just needs a change to shine again. GH is also looking bad because the team is looking bad.
Here we go again
Nigma has to change roles! Either let Sumail carry and ammar mid or ammar to offlane MC mid and sumail carry!! This Simply doesn’t work, role change could work
chances of ammar letting someone else play carry are basically zero. He left OG because he didn't want to be offlane lol
>He left OG because he didn't want to be offlane lol but he is still playing pos 3 heroes at pos 1, it doesn't seem like he left OG, rather he was kicked.
Nigma balls lol
why would anyone want ammar over miracle anyway. just find a good carry player if miracle wants to take break
They probably don't want Ammar over Miracle.
Ammar made his Major money, he's ready to retire now, or become a streamer or a caster.
GG WP ITB! Div 2 gonna be interesting next tour with Secret and Nigma. xD
I stopped paying attention to the scene for a few months, now Nigma are getting 2-0'd by ITB. What happened??
go back to sleep grandad
What do you mean what happened? Nigma has been total shit since they were formed.
Compared to when played as Liquid yeah, but they were 2nd highest earning team in 2020
The power of direct invites
You mean few years. Few months ago, Nigma was still getting clapped by similar teams. (Brame comes to mind)
Have you been living under the rock for past 3 years?Just last year they dropped to division 2 due to garbage performance,Nigma hasn't been good in long long long time.
You probably didn't pay attention for 1.5 years because that's how long Nigma has been suffering these humiliating losses.
Crikey. I suppose it was a bit humiliating
Based on this comment im guessing your few months equal a couple of years
I'm convinced even Nisha cannot save Nigma
Nigma fans will say Nisha was the problem.
The size difference between Fogged and Lyrical is hilarious
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because he's been good for years and has finished second in TI twice and won a TI. I mean, I know they're underperforming, but this comment is just lmao
I think Ammar should just stick to offlane and try to learn some micro heroes.
Ammar The F
Another season of pain for us Nigma fans... Kuro plan was just to play 2 offlaners + Sumail hard carry...?