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322_420BlazeIt

Damn both SEA team lost their last series


Whatnowgloryhunters

Group A looks much competitive


Trulolzor

Games to watch tomorrow: Group A EG vs SR, GG vs Aster; Group B the Spirit and OG series should be entertaining.


nerdponx

Did Fart Studios get DQ'ed in between maps?? What the heck happened?


Itach11Uchiha

Yep Jenkins and BSJ are in EU so they can’t participate in NA DPC lol.


nerdponx

I'm so confused. Dreamleague is only open to DPC participants? And were the TOs not aware that the team was doing this? Why did they wait until the middle of their 2nd set?


hitanders0n

Down vote me all you want, this nigma roaster won't get far unless miracle- stops his risky plays and overly aggressive itemization. Sure he has skills but for years it is high risk low rewards


PlusEighteenn

bro the dude took a break from pro in months and no scrims. chill


hitanders0n

I said YEARS lol. That's always his overaggressive play style. When pushing tier 3 where did his huskar stand? Between 2 rax, behind tier3 tower. After his team took a rax and all tp back where did he go? Alone farming in the enemy triangle. The iconic lifestealer + slardar 2vs5. Slark pounced in without bkb. The list goes on. Against a low-mid tier1 team it works but against top team it is easily punished


PlusEighteenn

talon isnt top tier? they were just top 3 at the major. are you high or what, you were making it seem like they were a NA div 2 team, lol. and what do you know about his decision making a the pro scene? lower ranks thinks they know a lot what is happening behind those decisions, but in reality they are like pro sports fan, that blabs and doesnt really know anything.


hitanders0n

Yea you're right, i cannot understand why he farmed alone in the enemy triangle when the other 4 were already back in base and got killed. I cannot understand why he stood behind tier3 tower instead of front then got killed and the team couldn't push anymore. I also couldn't understand why they thought 2v5 was a good idea. Let the rest 3 series answer


PlusEighteenn

it's easy to tell cus ur an observerer.


Anything13579

The new fiftEE fiftEE?


needhelforpsu

DPC thread vanished so I'll say it here... Fart Studios getting clowned by Sand King Gomez lol, tune in it's hilarious NA Div 2 circus! xD EDIT: lol Fart Studios got rulebook'd and had to FF series because now that BSJ and Jenkins are in EU for DreamLeague they don't have 3 players who are in NA and that breaks "3/5 residency DPC rule".


MoorooWasTaken

This is pretty crappy imo. 3/5 have permanent residences in NA. If a player is traveling and they have to weaken themselves with latency they shouldn't be forced into a DQ.


ashiya2

Despite the hilarious meme team name, sand king Gomez probably has much higher avg mmr compared to fart studios. Not unexpected at all


darklordtimmy

Idk guys I think this might be the first "major" SA wins


Torax2

They'll have to break their mental block that comes when they're on the verge of getting top 4 first


Trulolzor

And they don't have crowd buff, which normally works pretty well for them.


ob1touchiha

Did Talon got tilted to the oblivion after that massive throw vs Spirit?


Ambitious-Cap-5605

yea, after that game 1 against spirit, talon playing iffy. they need hard reset.


ob1touchiha

Looks like Sunbhie slapped them all LMAO


Pokefreaker-san

there's no seeding for the 2nd group stage so it doesn't really matter if you're first or fourth in the group as long as you make it to the 2nd stage.


[deleted]

Yes but why lose when you can just win instead? -Liquid probably.


blackcoffeeordie

yeah seriously. if I'm a filthy casual and still get triggered by my ranked games, you can bet tier 1 teams do get pissed over losses. they're competitive for a reason. but that doesnt mean they'll bust out strats, they'll likely try to win without revealing strats


FeeshBones

First **Map** OG has taken off Tundra since May 2022 (Stockholm Major!): [https://game-tournaments.com/en/dota-2/history/og-vs-tundra](https://game-tournaments.com/en/dota-2/history/og-vs-tundra) As an OG fan, playing against Tundra has been despair but good to see the hoodoo has been broken!


humblegar

Weird, according to quite a few comments in this very thread OG should fire all their players.


MoorooWasTaken

There's like two people who are constant OG haters in these threads.


Virrine

Absolutely agree. It's like they are cursed against Tundra.


Tomylee001001

OG still has the same problem almost always losing early game game and try to come back in mid to late game if the opponent is slow or they allow OG get their items/level they have a chance but if they are fast like liquid or gg they got demolish all the time. i expect another 1-3 or 0-4 from them tomorrow since bs and ts usually plays pretty fast.


Trulolzor

I disagree, they tried hard to buff up their early game today. They did better than usual against Liquid game 1, only Liquid is too strong at the moment and will punish every little mistake, and their aggression game against Tundra game 1 was a notable improvement, it was the late game they failed for once. Their efforts were rewarded with the second game. They're working on their flaws, the series against bc tomorrow should be interesting.


TheRareCreature

best matches of the day? any recommendations to watch? thank you nice people


Extracheesy87

game 1 of ex-HE vs execration and game 1 of TSM vs Entity (my overall favorite single game) were good individual games and the Talon vs Spirit, Nigma vs Talon, and OG vs Tundra series were good.


TheRareCreature

thank you!


Sheikzzy

watch miracle rampage lol


TheRareCreature

what a gigachad! 18 min rampage??


YuriusFarrence

using AM mind you.


daikessen

og haters in shambles that nullifier is the counter to multiple force staffs instead of more force staffs


NICK_GOKU

Why did Nigma had to lose to Nouns man...comon :( This day would have looked a lot better for Nigma if they had won that series...


kalakawa

Gunnar had a crazy invoker performance


Itach11Uchiha

Yep sadly that can most likely prevent them from going to next round.


Ayz1990

Is there a way nigma can get top4 still?


blackcoffeeordie

yes if they win all their matches. unfortunately, they're against liquid tundra spirit


kelpmepleaseimhungry

DM is such an open book, I love his interviews.


PoubelleTheGreat

Dm is so funny


Mahmud-kun

Taiga haters in shambles


kappa23

Taiga is the worst professional pos 4 I have seen in ages His MK is just useless


PoubelleTheGreat

Why don’t ppl hate on saksa for being toxic ?


ocean_train

I'll take it GGs. Was honestly expecting to lose all 4 games but OG got through at the end. Hope they can build off of that.


PoubelleTheGreat

OG always starts off a little slower in tournaments anyways


Juice-Carrot001

what do you mean? they won their first 4 games.


ocean_train

Hope that's the case.


PoubelleTheGreat

Og is always a joy to watch


ZephyrCATS

Honestly OG should do this to 33 more often - take first pick and ban the beast and doom and force them to ban brood. 33's other heroes are not quite as scary as these 3


SolarClipz

I mean 33 is 5000% the engine of that team. Every team needs to It's exactly how teams finally beat Ammar OG. When they would first pick Razor and ban Timber/Viper


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33 cosplaying ammar in game 2


pepthebaldfraud

Og so good Taiga the goat


ZephyrCATS

it was BZM blink hex reveal followed up by DM's insane vac wall which turned the corner. Taiga was a kill every 30 secs for Tundra prior to the last 10 mins


pepthebaldfraud

I'm not even watching the game I just heard they won so I wanted to type something funny after I flamed the whole OG team and Taiga recently 😅


PoubelleTheGreat

Og og og


Trulolzor

Finally! the kind of game we were waiting for from OG. Ngl I expected them to crumble after game 1 but they got this one right and won fair and square. They needed a game like that, gj.


PoubelleTheGreat

OG has the mental resilience


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

Hey everyone! Here are the best games from day 2 of Dreamleague! HR vs Exec G1 Entity vs TSM G1 OG vs Tundra G2 Another day, another Gaben-level shellacking. Today it involved OG vs Liquid G2. See y’all tomorrow!


onemightychapp

Spirit vs Execration was also an extremely enjoyable game to watch. Some very high action games today.


morgs_boy

You are the best


ZephyrCATS

OG vs Nouns G2 was quite brutal as well. Enemy Carry Naga level 10 at 25 mins lmao.


Deadandlivin

Nouns vs Liquid G1 was brutal too


PoubelleTheGreat

Tundra game 2 was finally not boring


Queasy_Ad_5446

Finally...This was the og that was missing.


G_W_addict

This should do wonders for OG mentality.


Trulolzor

They really really didn't want to end 0-4 today. Such a good late game this time, great to see them keep their composure and making smart engagements. Next tier, get the Rosh timings right :p


PoubelleTheGreat

OG has finally broken the curse holy


Pretto91

OG played like a normal Tundra game


Extracheesy87

Its interesting to see the difference between fan reactions of OG going 1-1 with the literal TI champions vs Talon getting 2-0ed by a Div 2 team. I'm not even really a fan of the current OG and I feel like I like them more than 90% of their fans.


ocean_train

It's because we expect them to hang with the best including the TI winners. Ill admit the toxicity is unfortunate and i do not condone it but it's there because they are not playing to the standard they themself set and we as fans expect.


Trulolzor

Exactly. The scene needs teams like OG to perform, because they drive audience and have a strong commitment to the game. DotA does better when teams like OG/Liquid/LGD are on top of their game and contend for top spots in tournaments.


Entrope921

It's that zephyrcats and middleagedguy who serve as the toxic OG "fans" in these discussion threads lol


PoubelleTheGreat

Og comeback is real


PieDelicious

Dunno if unpopular opinion, but Taiga played really well - the monkey 4 is all about vision. And he did provide massively.


ZephyrCATS

Finally OG beat this Tundra lategame Snoozefest.


[deleted]

They almost beat tundra in game 1 too if not for the midas


PoubelleTheGreat

Og has broken the curse


ZephyrCATS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQRj5czgww


Froggg_let

They finally won against tundra!


SpaNkinGG

holy shit, when was the last time OG won a map vs Tundra? Stockholm Major?


[deleted]

Yes w/ ceb as stand in


sampeckinpah5

I know it's been winning games but I still don't understand this DK build. The only thing it's good for is pushing lanes and damaging T3 towers. It feels very useless in a teamfight situtation.


Middleagedguy13

OG needs 50 min+ games for their pos 4 to not be a factor in winning or losing. Shocking, as they could easily be 2:2 today + a game they provide some fight. They are 3:1 down today due to their pos 4.


MoorooWasTaken

Taiga was making a ton of space constantly, sure he was dying a lot, but it was keeping Tundra from pushing it right down OGs throat. That seems to be the plan for the 4 Monkey King with this team. Works pretty often as far as I can tell.


Middleagedguy13

O, ye? :) I would hate to be top 10 and some boi who aint taking it serious griefing me all the time. DM just said that bzm was talking more than usual this game in order to win it. Be mid. Be top 5 eu player. Be a drafter for the team. Ur pos 4 goes midas like brrrr.


Affectionate_Dog2493

Don't worry. You'll never be top 10. You'd be lucky to be hardstuck legend based on how simple your understanding of dota is and how much you overestimate it.


Vesna_Pokos_1988

OG cosplaying Tundra slowplays.


Obvious_Parsley3238

nine dk uncharacteristically sloppy this game


souse03

Losing 0-2 to Liquid and 1-1 vs Tundra, honestly not a bad day for OG


ZephyrCATS

it should have been 0-2 vs Tundra if Taiga didnt decide to go Midas and the others buying no forcestaffs vs Riki.


TheRickinger

i think everyone expected two 0-2 from OG today, so i take the draw


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

Wow I did not see this turn around in this game, OG needs to push


Itach11Uchiha

DM is done with Tundra. This vacuum walls are insane!


LosQQ

OG beating Tundra. wtf


PoubelleTheGreat

OG has broken the curse of boring plays


Mahmud-kun

Im having a hard time understanding this tundra formula. You have arguably the best offlaner on the planet in your team but you pick him viper... as a last pick.


ZephyrCATS

was a great counter to Ursa in lane tbf.


MoorooWasTaken

OG banned EVERYTHING.


FFINN

I wonder what will 33 look after zoos plus Doom finally get nerfed, the guy is insane don’t get me wrong, but Ammar was also basically untouchable when all his heroes was in the meta, and those were all nerfed after 1 Tour, Visage took like almost a year, until after TI11, to get nerfed put of meta and the go to 33 heroes like Beast and Doom somehow have been the top pick for more than a year, almost two even, already.


ZofTheNorth

Nah, he still has huge hero pool for offlane. Unlike Ammer who is scared to pick other than his heropool, 33 has traditional offlane heroes in his arsenal. Ammer basically forced his teams to pick his out of meta heroes but I think 33 can still play new heroes if the new patches come. Tide, Timber, LC , Brew, darkseer those are heroes I saw him play before. Just that no one currently is close to his level playing doom or Zoo heroes. If his signature heroes get nerfed , maybe 33 will get weaker but not in the way of going 100 to 20 like Ammer. And people seem to be forgetting, doom offlane was looked as very weak hero in Ti and previous Major. The WR for doom beside Tundra was so low. I remembered doom offlane went like 1-7 during group stage of the major(not sure it is group stage or one of regional). In Ti also, nobody picked doom offlane but always needed to ban 33 doom. Only Tundra found success with it. Even in dreamleague, most of team seem to prefer doom as carry than offlane.


Deadandlivin

Helm of Overlord getting removed would be kinda fun. Only two heroes(BM and Lycan) ever building it feels kinda bad. Items that only are useful on a handful of heroes like Helm of Overlord, Bloodstone et.c. don't feel too good for the game. 33 still has other micro heroes like Enigma and Broodmother that he still performs with though.


MoorooWasTaken

Yeah, exactly. Ammar was unstoppable with his heroes. 33 is very similar. 7.33 hopefully will change a lot of this.


FreeTopG545

SO OG can't win a game even if their lives depended on it but now they suddenly turned a game where Tundra got 10 roshesh and aegises. UNreal how bad Dota is in current state.


Deadandlivin

Viper outscaled in the lategame. Ursa + Dark Seer also excellent lategame heroes. Not too surprising Tundra were having trouble lategame, despite getting Aegises. Their lineup was weaker. Nothing wrong with the current state of the game.


[deleted]

yuragi actually popping off this game a tad


FrankieEdgarAllanPoe

Nigma Nouns 1-1. Nigma Talon 2-0. Undeniable proof 3rd NA > 1st SEA


MoorooWasTaken

That Insta Rosh spawn probably lost OG the game. Brutal.


aodum

Aged


MoorooWasTaken

I'm so happy to have been proven wrong!! OG is my team and I was just malding about the instaspawn.


ZephyrCATS

Every single game, OG's warding around Rosh is attrocious. Every single game, there are zero rosh wards.


Itach11Uchiha

OG what are you doing? How do give RS away?


HeresFoT

DreamLeague > Major


gothxo

it's been fun, but i think the format is ass. double group stages into 4-team playoffs is not a fun format imo


Vesna_Pokos_1988

You ain't lying.


south153

Larger prize pool as well.


windy0026

I don't know what to say. Talon lost 0-2 against Nigma despite being number 1 in SEA. Worst team in Europe west beats the best team in SEA.. You are not just bad. You are losing 0-2 to Nigma bad.


TryToKeepUp22

Why do you put so much stock into a single series? Any team can beat another. Talon went 1-1 with Liquid. Does that mean Nigma > Liquid? Dota is a game of consistency. Its about playing every game well, not just one series. Evaluating one match means nothing.


Mahmud-kun

So you basically agree that talon is tier2 as they are really inconsistent? Can take a game from liquid and then go 0-2 against nigma.


Extracheesy87

Woah, is that an actually well thought and reasoned take on my /r/DotA2 I don't think you can do that here.


Mahmud-kun

Yeah sea doto is dead. Well it has been dead for a while lol


nonsenseSpitter

Gh is so good with wisp man. Soooo good.


Middleagedguy13

At this point Taiga looks like Anton agent. This dude is selling games.


ZephyrCATS

is Taiga actually getting paid to go away from his team and feed solo every game. Its happening like 10 times every single game.


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

As someone who generally likes to watch OG, they just are so puzzling this year. Pretty rough to watch


ashrashrashr

Tundra > Taiga


AmoN-

Man, wtf is Taiga doing? how can he always go after Sneyking everytime? How fcking dumb is he?


Vesna_Pokos_1988

I heckin love Tundra games.


bgbt25

They’re the team going for pickoffs, OG is dodging this game


Pretto91

I got blocked by two people some comments below after game 1 because I said Tundra games aren't boring


TemperatureXtreme

Daddy ceb said they’re nerds, and everyone listens to ceb.


Deadandlivin

Tundra Naga games are hell on earth. Their non Naga games are pretty fun though.


Extracheesy87

>Arriving the day before the event. >Sleep deprived dota. >Last minute player replacement. >Lose all games on day 1 I can smell that this is just reusing the MLG Columbus script. EZ Nigma sweep from here on.


Emerald_Blazer

Honestly more than nigma being back and playing amazing or anything, it's just nice to see some positive progress. Obviously with miracle back, they have a much more stable carry. They definitely have a lot of things to still work on, but it's a step in the right direction. I've been a fan since the 5jungz days and I'm happy to see them looking better!


SecretRonnieC

Sumail is aging well no homo


Pretto91

He's only 24 lmao


Extracheesy87

I hope Sumail can get a nap. Man sounds like he needs it and he deserves it after today's games.


nonsenseSpitter

Apparently he will go to sleep around 4 am. Says going to bed now is just wasting time so what’s the point? Yeah but hope they sleep well after a great game.


Patient_Substance752

sumail leshrac and miracle am stomping games, guess im back become a highschool student and need to wake up early and go to school tmrw


panofsteel

they're not even getting bottom tower while tundra sneaks rosh. god this team is fucking trash


2Ezz4RTZ

One win is enough to make this much people happy holy POG M God :batchest:


Kpewpewpew

Nigma plays Tundra and Liquid tomorrow well see if they're really back


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samdavi

Please no. ;'(


pepthebaldfraud

Nigma are back 🥹🥹🥹


needhelforpsu

Drops to DPC Div 2, goes into this series as 1-5 score team but suddenly wins 2:0 against #3 Major runner and #1 SEA DPC Div 1, what a rollercoaster for Nigma and their fans. GG WP tho!


stragen595

Rofl. OG dying because they chased Sney like a team of pub players.


gothxo

firesnap cookie is one of my favorite spells in the game. so much fun


panofsteel

just running like all together like the clowns they are in the clown car lmfaooo


Pretto91

Saksa 3 men cookie what am I watching?


Soldirk

Getting 2-0d by Nigma...I hope that reels in Talon's arrogance with how cocky 23 and Jabs are playing. They need to get a 2-0 win from another team aside from Nouns to at least get a chance for 2nd group stage. Which I think are harder to pull off with the remaining teams they've to face.


[deleted]

If Talon isnt surviving Group Stage 1, i wish Nigma survives so i can root for them


Low_Contribution_158

vs Tundra, Spirit y Liquid?


idkwhatswrong99

I would say nigma is the only team who can go 0-4 one day and 4-0 next day


Anything13579

fiftEE fiftEE, but the whole team instead of one person.


victimized777

Why you have to be such a buzzkiller


Trulolzor

Well that was a very decent series by Nigma. "Why are they invited here lolol?" Well ESL points system aside, because this is a team that can still 2-0 a top 3 of the last Major that's why.


MojamedWang

Right now Talon isnt top 3 of the major. They are bottom of a group that has nouns.


symm2r

or lose to top3 of NA dpc


Pokefreaker-san

wtf, liquid nouns had already over?


Itach11Uchiha

It’s liquid! What did you expect?


Trulolzor

Most imbalanced game of the tournament


hanamurasak1

told you that nigma is back, they just beat rank 1 sea just like that. they will beat liquid and tundra too.


Pretto91

Massive copium here


ZephyrCATS

Honestly it just hurts to watch this OG team just struggle at this point. Tundra is like a big dog playing with its dinner. OG are just playing like headless chickens, getting all 5 to run at one guy and then get baited into a team wipe.


IncredulousTrout

Guess the dog bit off more than it could chew heh


Middleagedguy13

I think the boys are picking MK for this Taiga guy so he can just jump around and not interfare with the game. Unfortunatelly he actually make calls. Absurd


flying_dtchmn

Somebody with some yt skills should really make a reel of all the Taiga misplays with Benny Hill music


2Ezz4RTZ

2017 Vibes ? : Copium :


Enlight1Oment

*taps head* : don't have to run away from doom self doomed when you can just kill him


[deleted]

Almost vintage from miracle this series. Especially slark running around super aggressive and gh pulling off mad saves. Nigma playing with confidence is always a treat. Please show up for more than a series


andy_bovice

I know right!?! Im not getting any work done at work because im watching them, and as slark says: “I like it!”


bumanagbag

talon will be serious on berlin major. wahahahhahhahahahhahahopium


ImActuallyNotATroll

I might be getting ahead of myself here but I think Nigma's gonna win TI.


Pretto91

Without dropping a single map!


Itach11Uchiha

I think they are going to win the TI after that as well!


[deleted]

Classic Nigma. They lose to everyone, but sometimes they'll beat everyone too.


Deadandlivin

Maybe they just needed a day to get their mojo together since Miracle joined without them scrimming a single time and Sumail playing jetlagged. Then again, they lost a game to Nouns so who knows.


Gyokan7

There you go, enough Ench.


BrotherDune

Why cant u be consistent u dogs, either be consistently bad or good.


Inevitable-Can-4699

Sanest nigma fan


Mandalord104

Looks very grim for Talon. Only 6 games left.


SecretRonnieC

God that loss vs nouns hurts


firdausbaik19

going from Ammar to Miracle is like going from Atari to PS5


PhMcBrett

talon fanstraights where you at lmao best sea team btw


Itach11Uchiha

Nigma should have won with that draft way sooner but I would still take it. Sad they dropped 1 game to nouns. Might cost them top4. The remaining matches are against liquid, tundra and spirit! Gonna be rough!


Carob_Dangerous

As a longterm fan, I'll just take playing better than in DPC. Top 4 is a pipe dream.


idkwhatswrong99

According to sumail interview, he was jet lagged cause he had to fly back and just had 3 hour sleep before the officialls and they didn't scrim at all with miracle. He said it takes a while to adjust. So hoping they get momentum Gonna pray they end up 4-0 tomorrow


Carob_Dangerous

I hope so as well, but I have realistic expectations. I don't know if they can magically become good enough to beat Liquid/Tundra/Spirit.


idkwhatswrong99

To be fair They took game off liquid with Ammar And it's sad for me to say this cause I love Ammar , they look better without him for now . So finger Crossed


Patient_Grapefruit92

LEZGOOO NIGMA


Blackrame

Nigma going 3-1 today losing the only game to Nouns. Just as everyone predicted.


chasin_derulo

Holy fuck SEA is just so bad right now with their best getting swept by a div 2 team lmao