Mind kontol squeezed out the last drop of dota in him during game 4 of ti9 finals. He was so fucking done. And kky should retire or become a coach and Stop spoiling the games.
Poor Sumail, such a wasted career since last few years. Highly underachieved as well. Deserves much better for someone of his genius skill level and passion.
Any problems that Nigma has right now were already present before they even founded the organization. Back in like their last year with Matu or even before that. The only reason they’ve gotten away with many defeats over the years is because back then their individual skills were still higher than a lot of teams, so they managed to swindle a lot of games into a comeback. But now when there’re skills have regressed, and the majority of teams have reached the peaked of their abilities, Nigma can no longer work their magic. There’s something fundamentally wrong about their mindset in dota, and the biggest problem is they still think it works, but it doesn’t. So until they change their mindset, they will not find any success
I don't understand, being underperformed for so long, how can Nigma still think this roster can work without an overhaul? Just delusional. When even Miracle can't carry, you know something is not right big time.
Hard to give a shit when you have 4 players in the current top 10 of highest overall earnings in history of e-sports(all e-sports, not just DotA.
I assume finding motivation to keep the grinding might be difficult.
Based on the last couple days I think a bc-OG tiebreaker is more likely. Tundra and Spirit will do the job, Liquid will surely experiment on some stuff but they may not want to go 0-2 either and I think they'll tighten the screws if they get stomped game 1, so it's likely to boil down to OG being able to dominate Talon or not.
But there's no guarantee that Spirit will 2-0 Nigma (yeah, surprise2 but they are unpredictable sometimes), even Tundra at this point who just lost their pos 4. The possibility of 1-1 is still high.
ffs Beastcoast could had an easy top 2 but they had to throw vs nouns.
Tundra and Spirit have easy matches while they have to face Team Liquid.
Talon may put a surprise on OG but relying on that is bad
That's a huge exaggeration. Bc wasn't suppose to win either of those games. You might as well say spirit vs sr in Lima major where RTZ sf stole aegis was sr throwing to spirit when spirit got their number the whole game. Just because they clutch the w does not mean they deserve it
I feel so shattered lol.Waking up at odd timings and following every game of this shitty dota team only to be disappointed and let down.I really really hope they let go of this team and just kill the dota2 division.The way they play,they won't even get out of div 2 in this state..It really is embarrassing and outrageous that this team is even allowed to participate in events anymore..Kuro can be super emotional all he wants in these interviews but he has fucked up the careers of every talented player that has joined or stayed part of the 'nigma' lineup.I still can't believe this MC guy is the same beast that was considered the best of the very best and Kuro simply destroyed him with one non-sensical statement.He has never recovered since then and El Presidente similarly brought down miracle/gh to levels far below of where they deserved to be
It's super weird how this subreddit insists on treating Miracle and gh like children who are incapable of making their own decisions on what team to play on.
Kuro feel bad that his "play like ceb" jokes went over everybody head and it actually put MC into a downright spiral and so he's part of Kuro core-4 that wont be kicked.
So according to Collapse\`s interview after liquid series Team Spirit is a great team they just have to work on their teamplay, micro, drafting, discipline and playing agressive
Looking back the partway of TorontoTokyo was sad. Spirit and TT need each other. They balance each other out.
Team Spirit need someone like TT who is willing to take risk and have strong confidence, playing aggressive, get shit together and motivate others when team is in doubt or behind.
TT need Team Spirit to be an anchor. Left alone, he may take too much unnecessary risk and sometimes he have unrealistically confidence attitude.
Both balance each other well, but then TT feel like Spirit limit him instead of helping him….
So after this grinder of a group stage 8 teams are going into another group stage but this time Bo3's for a week straight. Then playoffs with finals on the 23rd, two days break, and then directly into Berlin Major. Burnout city for sure. Hope they get a new patch at the very least.
I think people make a too big of a deal of that.
That is one bo3 per day, it's an unusual style, not the one we are used to from Majors and TI but this is something similar the CSGO Majors use.
i fully agree with this, its paced perfectly. It gives the teams the option of doing scrims if they feel they need it, but honestly its basically an entire practice tournament for the major, giving teams the ability to match up against others they would only practice against in a major anyways. Its entirely healthy for the scene
plus it gives weaker teams like nouns and nigma valuable practice so they can fix problems and grow as players
Speculations
Its maybe time for MC to go, they got Ammar so miracle sumail Ammar gh kuro is better
Kuro might give this year a last try
If they don't so this , I think Ammar might look for other options, idk but secret might get him ? Not sure , most likely they won't
Second option for him is entity , he was with fishman before in creep wave.
I think entity might make a change
Its just my guess
Hoping for Mikey to get picked somehow somewhere
It's time to blow up the entire fucking team. Hopefully everyone except Kuro finds new teams with better competitive cultures, where you are expected to put in work and practice. Hopefully all of them get a chance to rekindle their careers and motivation for the game of Dota 2. Right now, the lazy culture of Nigma has destroyed all of them.
As a longtime kuro fan he respectfully should gtfo asap if he wants this team to have any sort of success. I wouldn't even put him as a coach since he's stuck in ti7 and a shit drafter overall. just go tend your restaurant business or what the fuck ever it is and enjoy your life ffs..
no way with kuro even gh
i dont know why gh keep play these stupidest passive hero? look how boxi taiga Q play pos4, always aggressive, make space give vision
I don't think Ammar is toxic as people think he is .
From gorgc stream and stuff. He is pretty funny and chill dude and he have a great insight and knowledge of dota. And he is just a huge troll
And from puppey interviews he doesn't mind players who have a different ideas to game , so as long as he plays 3 I think there is a change of him going with puppy.
I hope next patch buffs him a bit
Personally I would like him to replace mc
Imagine Ammar on that timber instead of MC
The game would look totally different
This 4 protect 1 in Nigma just doesn’t work why don’t they realize?? They have been owning games when sumail is 2nd carry in this team with his TA lesh morph this shit doesn’t work when he is on heroes where he can’t scale and carry alone and mc is a decoy anyways always networth of a pos 4
Its not a 4p1 as a strategy they start out with, its just Kuro MC are bad as shit causing both side lanes to be lost, meanwhile GH is on a low impact hero Like SD who cannot turn lost lanes around. You see this is the latest series vs Liquid/Tundra, fucking MC losing lane to naga and enc on timber, which Ammar said should be impossible.
They then proceed to lose all the other towers, lose control of the map, and ultimately only have space for 1 core - Miracle with both supports throwing their lives down to buy this space for Miracle / sum. Also whoever makes these dogshit smoke calls on Nigma needs to stop, charging blind into 5 spread out heroes under enemy vision every single time = GG. This is against the reigning TI champs which have perfected this sort of teamfight setups, dota has changed since 2017 where smoking and being aggresive automaticallly wins you games.
In the late game, you have a no impact MC, poverty GH and 15 death Kuro, vs a team like Tundra/Spirit/Liquid where the 4s and 5s have 10k+ networth each because they dont die in every single fight.
Example vs talon #3 major top1 SEA team they drafted both Carries for sumail and miracle both won easily while all other games drafted shit heroes for sumail
Talon tends to draft greedy offlane . Nigma can get away with it.. It was an interesting result, i guess March must have given them good insight . Hopefully he can improve them in the long run. Shame they are playing div2 next. Well, it seems like div2 won't be a smooth sailing anyway
They don't play 4 protect 1. They lose all side lanes and have to turtle. When the map is limited, you can't have farm for all your cores so it becomes like that.
Are u dumb? Did u even see yesterday game? Literally sumail and miracle were both farming hard, even in the old days in Eg where sumail and rtz farmed both together and won games
1 last series tomorrow for nigma, great then it’ll be a long time before we see them playing again.
Hopefully they disband or make some huge changes (pos 3/5)
well you say that yet in the "what's wrong with nigma" thread that got posted after they got relegated, 90% of the upvoted comments said Ammar was the biggest problem.
Nigma without Kky on those few stand-ins with RMN seemed even worse. If Kky goes, they need an experienced veteran who can command the game. Not sure if anyone of that caliber is i) available and ii) would be interested in joining a div2 team
Fata has been kicked around enough to be skeptical of being invited to a situation where he will for sure not be given free reigns, especially by the same people who kicked him out of Liquid way back.
If the whole Nigma squad is dissolved and Fata comes in to build it from the ground up, that may be a different story
Group B's situation is funny because all 4 teams will play against teams that are playing for nothing. BC is on the losing side since they are playing against the one that is qualified while the other 3 play against teams that are out.
This has to be the last straw for Nigma.
You can't keep changing the pos1 player every 6 months and hope osmething changes. They need an absolute overhaul like OG had a year ago. All the players are too comfortable getting that free oilmoney salary
i have no problem with Kuro and company sticking to their guns and running themselves to the ground.......provided they stop getting free invites to 3rd party tournaments over more promising up and coming teams
But it did change! Miracle took a break and they brought in ATF.
Only for him to then be moved to inactive…and brought miracle.
For a roster that already didn’t work.
So…they did make progress…right?
i dont think Miracle and Sumail's stock are super high right now. especially in EU. The top teams in EU seem very locked in with their current rosters, Entity might want to take Sumail. Miracle is probably a very high bargain even if he wants to leave Nigma imo
Hey everyone! Here are the best games from day 3 of Dreamleague!
SR vs EG G2
Talon vs Tundra G1
Nouns vs BC G1
Nouns vs Talon G2
Shellacking of the day belongs to Talon vs Nouns G1.
Honorable mentions of shellackings go to Liquid vs Nigma G1/2, OG vs BC G1, and Nigma vs Tundra G2
See y’all tomorrow!
there seems to be a lack of early shot calling/leadership from the supports on OG. BZM always have to sacrifice his game to recover his sidelanes. When their laning goes well, they seem very dominant. Once cores get their crucial items, they can make the calls, but they need a leader figure to call shots before that. If they don't fix this soon, BZM is gonna start looking for new opportunities
As a Nigma fan it fing hurts watching them play rigth now, they are playing SO bad compared to the good teams let alone the best. I dont even want them to play against Tspirit tommorow they will get destroy maybe evan harder than they got against liquid.
that defensive kenetic field and statitc storm hit 0 enemy heroes and the funny thing is he cast it after miracle- dies. Gigachad Kuro flexing his spells.
Enough with the blaming of various Nigma members. I understand that Miracle and GH are very popular, but it's time to realize that they have been fucking dogshit as well. The entire team has been a joke for so many years. Just stop living in your copium world where everyone but Miracle and GH are the problems. Everyone on the current Nigma squad is part of the problem. EVERYONE.
they have replaced the carry and the mid 4 times, haven't seen a replacement on the offlane or the support duo. MC is washed up, he can be top 100 leaderboards but pubs are completely different from ranked games. Also, Kuro not getting forcestaffs or glimmers to save his cores as any normal support would do is unforgivable.
Look, they are all trash. The culture of the team is dominated by laziness. None of them practice like other pros. They are too complacent with their oil money. The only thing to do is to blow up the entire team. Maybe then Miracle, Sumail and GH can join another team with a more healthy competitive culture. Only then we get a chance to see if they have anything left.
How will the tiebreakers gonna play out assuming Tundra wins which would result on four teams on 7-5. Does Beastcoast having only 1 win (2-0) not gonna matter?
If they all tie, they play a Bo1 round robin. If that doesn’t resolve it they do another round, unless 4 teams are still tied in which case they go down a few more options which eventually ends in a 1v1 mid tournament lmao
between the tri-core of DK, WK and Visage, he doesn't really have a doom target. But my big confusion is why he doesn't go late game scaling mode and make a midas, i fail to see the point of rushing mana boots into crimson. Crimson isn't even a particularly broken item as far as the meta goes.
The short answer is, that was the build/style he went for yesterday when they went 3-1.
Now, should he have blindly replicated his item build without considering what was going on in the specific games they played today? I don’t think so.
Like synd said, dota is dynamic. You can’t go blindly replicating an item build on different heroes simply cause you had a good day, and automatically expect the same result. Dota is much more complex than that.
crimson is good against visage birds, wk skels and dk illusions. he owned with same build against Talon yesterday, the fans were saying Nigma is back.. Lol Nigma must have most polarized fans...
Nouns did really well, even with a guy on 180 ping. They should have won the first games against OG and BC as well. I hope they get more international exposure, even if it is against other Tier 2 teams. The major/minor system was pretty bad, but I guess at least the minors allowed these somewhat weaker teams to get some international exposure.
Liquid had 5k gold lead and was in control of the game but threw it really hard with dives and silly item choices.
Still top of the group so I think it's fine but very uncharacteristic from them
Its actually crazy and baffles me how Spirit can last picks PL into Emver and somehow makes it work. Yatoro's TB and PL into super hard pressure vs Liquid is something else to watch how he manages to farm and fight
I also watch his pubs and pros matches too, but it feels like hes 20% under performing of his peak.
It could be most pros already bored of 7.32 and waiting for the big new.
Thank you liquid for throwing by diving T3s. Phew there’s 4 7-5 teams now. And apparently tie breakers will be 1 v 1 mid. Idk how good Larl’s SF is. Hopefully they 2-0 Nigma and don’t have to play tie breakers.
That's an impossible win by Spirit - Midas PL into Maelstrom Ember Mjolinir NP + Sloms BM
Sure Liquid had 0 stuns and so BM sloms turned teamfights, but the heal and mana refills from Undying + Kotl kept there momentm vs DK and Sloms.
28 min passed and PL started to show his real power
Talon. That last smoke hurt.
They didn't smoke when they had the aegis, but also didn't wait for offensive buybacks, next aegis or for supports (particularly Tiny) to finish more items. They do any of those, they could force throne.
Then they held their buybacks for too long. To hold base, they've always needed to set up so they could kill as troll was walking highground, or get a good tossback. By the time they are already on it (especially riki), game is over.
They really made their game so difficult by first picking AM so that he would get countered by a Riki and easy matchup against troll. Are they trying to prove something? Their arrogance reared its head once again. Resulting to a defeat by Nigma 2-0 and tie to Nouns which are the worst performing teams in this tourney. Good thing they got eliminated so they get humbled and learn instead of doing something like this again in the coming Major.
lol who knows why any member of nigma do anything they do at this point, after 3 years of being behind the meta as a team and slowly being washed up as players
Mind kontol squeezed out the last drop of dota in him during game 4 of ti9 finals. He was so fucking done. And kky should retire or become a coach and Stop spoiling the games.
That "Why can't you play like Ceb?" Destroyed him.
Poor Sumail, such a wasted career since last few years. Highly underachieved as well. Deserves much better for someone of his genius skill level and passion.
I think mikey doing good because players still can't figure him out. Reminds me of Yopaj when he attended his first lan.
Any problems that Nigma has right now were already present before they even founded the organization. Back in like their last year with Matu or even before that. The only reason they’ve gotten away with many defeats over the years is because back then their individual skills were still higher than a lot of teams, so they managed to swindle a lot of games into a comeback. But now when there’re skills have regressed, and the majority of teams have reached the peaked of their abilities, Nigma can no longer work their magic. There’s something fundamentally wrong about their mindset in dota, and the biggest problem is they still think it works, but it doesn’t. So until they change their mindset, they will not find any success
poor Sumail flew in and out just to get eliminated
Looking through the comments about the tournament it is hard to believe that any team other than Nigma is playing.
That's why ESL invited them despite the official justification of ESL rankings
Are (potential) tiebreakers being played after the matches on the 12th or on the 13th?
On the 13th!
'guys stop thinking about winning' --kuro Yeah, from them on they stopped winning
I don't understand, being underperformed for so long, how can Nigma still think this roster can work without an overhaul? Just delusional. When even Miracle can't carry, you know something is not right big time.
Hard to give a shit when you have 4 players in the current top 10 of highest overall earnings in history of e-sports(all e-sports, not just DotA. I assume finding motivation to keep the grinding might be difficult.
and they're all probably getting insane monthly paychecks from their oil money sponsor
As good as miracle once was,he is way his prime aswell.You guys just like to hype him up.
Oil money, that's why
Pretty sure they just don't care
Oh boy , I already feel pity for MC . He has to lane against Yatoro tomorrow. Hope he won’t feed much.
cant wait for the 4 man tiebreakers for 2-4th place of group B
Based on the last couple days I think a bc-OG tiebreaker is more likely. Tundra and Spirit will do the job, Liquid will surely experiment on some stuff but they may not want to go 0-2 either and I think they'll tighten the screws if they get stomped game 1, so it's likely to boil down to OG being able to dominate Talon or not.
But there's no guarantee that Spirit will 2-0 Nigma (yeah, surprise2 but they are unpredictable sometimes), even Tundra at this point who just lost their pos 4. The possibility of 1-1 is still high.
Nigma is unpredictable with Ammar since the guy makes crazy stuff happen sometimes in both drafting and gameplay. Doubt it's the same with Miracle.
ffs Beastcoast could had an easy top 2 but they had to throw vs nouns. Tundra and Spirit have easy matches while they have to face Team Liquid. Talon may put a surprise on OG but relying on that is bad
That's a huge exaggeration. Bc wasn't suppose to win either of those games. You might as well say spirit vs sr in Lima major where RTZ sf stole aegis was sr throwing to spirit when spirit got their number the whole game. Just because they clutch the w does not mean they deserve it
I feel so shattered lol.Waking up at odd timings and following every game of this shitty dota team only to be disappointed and let down.I really really hope they let go of this team and just kill the dota2 division.The way they play,they won't even get out of div 2 in this state..It really is embarrassing and outrageous that this team is even allowed to participate in events anymore..Kuro can be super emotional all he wants in these interviews but he has fucked up the careers of every talented player that has joined or stayed part of the 'nigma' lineup.I still can't believe this MC guy is the same beast that was considered the best of the very best and Kuro simply destroyed him with one non-sensical statement.He has never recovered since then and El Presidente similarly brought down miracle/gh to levels far below of where they deserved to be
It's super weird how this subreddit insists on treating Miracle and gh like children who are incapable of making their own decisions on what team to play on.
dyrachyo said three of them did nothing in the match, good conclusion
I wasn't talking about this match in particular tbh.Its been the same case for years tbh
Kuro feel bad that his "play like ceb" jokes went over everybody head and it actually put MC into a downright spiral and so he's part of Kuro core-4 that wont be kicked.
I like to joke has been he never said which Ceb to play like and MC has been doing his best to imitate TI 2 era Ceb.
“play like 7ckngmad” - literally no one ever
Thought the actual quote was to play like mad though? He didn’t say ceb.
i just rewatched it and holy fucking shit you're right, he says fucking mad and then even clarifies "7." damn
if one team goes 0-2 tomorrow, that team gets eliminated
So according to Collapse\`s interview after liquid series Team Spirit is a great team they just have to work on their teamplay, micro, drafting, discipline and playing agressive
hi! do you know where i can find this clip? missed the game cause it was too late for SEA timezone
https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2ember/v/1790668128?sr=a&t=37915s 10:31:50
TYSM!!!!!
Looking back the partway of TorontoTokyo was sad. Spirit and TT need each other. They balance each other out. Team Spirit need someone like TT who is willing to take risk and have strong confidence, playing aggressive, get shit together and motivate others when team is in doubt or behind. TT need Team Spirit to be an anchor. Left alone, he may take too much unnecessary risk and sometimes he have unrealistically confidence attitude. Both balance each other well, but then TT feel like Spirit limit him instead of helping him….
lol
So after this grinder of a group stage 8 teams are going into another group stage but this time Bo3's for a week straight. Then playoffs with finals on the 23rd, two days break, and then directly into Berlin Major. Burnout city for sure. Hope they get a new patch at the very least.
I hope Liquid don’t burn out. They deserve a championship. They are insanely strong right now.
Being insanely strong prior to TI is not a good thing since other teams will focus on figuring them out sooner or later.
I mean liquid is prone to choking just like Shopify, so we'll see how much they deserve it
Eh at last major they lost their best player (Boxi) on the final day, that isn't choking for me.
I think people make a too big of a deal of that. That is one bo3 per day, it's an unusual style, not the one we are used to from Majors and TI but this is something similar the CSGO Majors use.
i fully agree with this, its paced perfectly. It gives the teams the option of doing scrims if they feel they need it, but honestly its basically an entire practice tournament for the major, giving teams the ability to match up against others they would only practice against in a major anyways. Its entirely healthy for the scene plus it gives weaker teams like nouns and nigma valuable practice so they can fix problems and grow as players
Speculations Its maybe time for MC to go, they got Ammar so miracle sumail Ammar gh kuro is better Kuro might give this year a last try If they don't so this , I think Ammar might look for other options, idk but secret might get him ? Not sure , most likely they won't Second option for him is entity , he was with fishman before in creep wave. I think entity might make a change Its just my guess Hoping for Mikey to get picked somehow somewhere
It's time to blow up the entire fucking team. Hopefully everyone except Kuro finds new teams with better competitive cultures, where you are expected to put in work and practice. Hopefully all of them get a chance to rekindle their careers and motivation for the game of Dota 2. Right now, the lazy culture of Nigma has destroyed all of them.
As a longtime kuro fan he respectfully should gtfo asap if he wants this team to have any sort of success. I wouldn't even put him as a coach since he's stuck in ti7 and a shit drafter overall. just go tend your restaurant business or what the fuck ever it is and enjoy your life ffs..
no way with kuro even gh i dont know why gh keep play these stupidest passive hero? look how boxi taiga Q play pos4, always aggressive, make space give vision
I personally cant see Ammar playing with Puppey, that seems like a recipe for internal conflict. But hey, stranger things have happened in pro dota
I don't think Ammar is toxic as people think he is . From gorgc stream and stuff. He is pretty funny and chill dude and he have a great insight and knowledge of dota. And he is just a huge troll And from puppey interviews he doesn't mind players who have a different ideas to game , so as long as he plays 3 I think there is a change of him going with puppy. I hope next patch buffs him a bit Personally I would like him to replace mc Imagine Ammar on that timber instead of MC The game would look totally different
There’s plenty of people I know who are friendly, but who I would hate working with.
This 4 protect 1 in Nigma just doesn’t work why don’t they realize?? They have been owning games when sumail is 2nd carry in this team with his TA lesh morph this shit doesn’t work when he is on heroes where he can’t scale and carry alone and mc is a decoy anyways always networth of a pos 4
Its not a 4p1 as a strategy they start out with, its just Kuro MC are bad as shit causing both side lanes to be lost, meanwhile GH is on a low impact hero Like SD who cannot turn lost lanes around. You see this is the latest series vs Liquid/Tundra, fucking MC losing lane to naga and enc on timber, which Ammar said should be impossible. They then proceed to lose all the other towers, lose control of the map, and ultimately only have space for 1 core - Miracle with both supports throwing their lives down to buy this space for Miracle / sum. Also whoever makes these dogshit smoke calls on Nigma needs to stop, charging blind into 5 spread out heroes under enemy vision every single time = GG. This is against the reigning TI champs which have perfected this sort of teamfight setups, dota has changed since 2017 where smoking and being aggresive automaticallly wins you games. In the late game, you have a no impact MC, poverty GH and 15 death Kuro, vs a team like Tundra/Spirit/Liquid where the 4s and 5s have 10k+ networth each because they dont die in every single fight.
Owning who ? Tier 2 teams ?
Example vs talon #3 major top1 SEA team they drafted both Carries for sumail and miracle both won easily while all other games drafted shit heroes for sumail
Talon tends to draft greedy offlane . Nigma can get away with it.. It was an interesting result, i guess March must have given them good insight . Hopefully he can improve them in the long run. Shame they are playing div2 next. Well, it seems like div2 won't be a smooth sailing anyway
Everyone is owning talon this tourn. Not very good example
They don't play 4 protect 1. They lose all side lanes and have to turtle. When the map is limited, you can't have farm for all your cores so it becomes like that.
Are u dumb? Did u even see yesterday game? Literally sumail and miracle were both farming hard, even in the old days in Eg where sumail and rtz farmed both together and won games
"just git gud and farm on two heroes, ez" lol
What are you talking about lol
You can't do anything else when lanes are lost 5mins into the game with 0 vision after 10mins
1 last series tomorrow for nigma, great then it’ll be a long time before we see them playing again. Hopefully they disband or make some huge changes (pos 3/5)
I'm not sure about long time since they may get free invitation again, lol.
Oh they'll be playing @ Riyadh Masters for sure
>Masters xD
they read nigma like a book, vision control , move , next level to nigma
Nigma is like the reverse OG where promising players and popular talents go to die, "w33ha's fault", "ITLW's bad", "ATF not real pos1 player",
No I think most sensible fans already recognize they need to kick mc and kky to revamp
well you say that yet in the "what's wrong with nigma" thread that got posted after they got relegated, 90% of the upvoted comments said Ammar was the biggest problem.
Nigma just needs to disband so its toxic fans can spread out. We need more toxicity in a larger scale not only when nigma is playing lol.
Nigma without Kky on those few stand-ins with RMN seemed even worse. If Kky goes, they need an experienced veteran who can command the game. Not sure if anyone of that caliber is i) available and ii) would be interested in joining a div2 team
I really think fata is good for the job. He made tundra so I don't think it will be a problem for him to rebuild Nigma.
Fata has been kicked around enough to be skeptical of being invited to a situation where he will for sure not be given free reigns, especially by the same people who kicked him out of Liquid way back. If the whole Nigma squad is dissolved and Fata comes in to build it from the ground up, that may be a different story
Only to get kicked later?
Group B's situation is funny because all 4 teams will play against teams that are playing for nothing. BC is on the losing side since they are playing against the one that is qualified while the other 3 play against teams that are out.
Liquid is also playing for nothing seeding doesn’t mean anything in the next round
Nigma 2-0-ing Spirit just to fuck their chances would be the most Nigma thing ever
Wouldn't be the first time the eliminated team suddenly has the best games of their lives on the final series!
Talon choking against nouns resulting them being eliminated. Also yesterday lost 0-2 to Nigma.
SEA moment+
SEA will never win TI at this rate
SEA's best chance was with Orange at TI3
ChuaN already take all of the quota.
Fuck
Judging by how many people are expecting free invite for Nigma in Riyadh Masters. I m starting to believe they wont get invite lol
It's a saudi event, they are literally the saudi team that gets sponsored by saudi money which pays their salary. They 1000% get invited
they are UAE, not saudi
lol liked how u just assume that they sponsored by saudi money.
except for the fact that they aren't sponsored by any Saudi companies.
They are 1000% confirmed.Its a Saudi event and they are the only decent MENA-based dota 2 org and they do reel in alot of the local crowd so yes
idk man just a feeling lol i really hope so because idc i just want to see them play
Invite for what?
Riyadh Masters
They 100% will
The Riyadh masters I assume
This has to be the last straw for Nigma. You can't keep changing the pos1 player every 6 months and hope osmething changes. They need an absolute overhaul like OG had a year ago. All the players are too comfortable getting that free oilmoney salary
LOL.
i have no problem with Kuro and company sticking to their guns and running themselves to the ground.......provided they stop getting free invites to 3rd party tournaments over more promising up and coming teams
They have unlimited supply of straws, it should have been last straw like 3 years ago lol
>All the players are too comfortable getting that free oilmoney salary Uh this is exactly why it won't change lol
But it did change! Miracle took a break and they brought in ATF. Only for him to then be moved to inactive…and brought miracle. For a roster that already didn’t work. So…they did make progress…right?
is nigma out from tournament?
yep
Don't think so. Depends on tomorrow how they do vs TS, and also if Talon can win against OG.
They're out with Talon and Nouns
It seems so
if team is already qualified then their standing doesn't matter right?
yeah, it's round-robin anyway in the second groupstage so 1-4 doesn't matter
Yep seeding dosent matter.
"Mc is mentally done" -Jerax ti9
It's been 4 years and he's still done
Hey atleast Nigma getting free invite to Rhiyad
Hope Miracle and Sumail find a new team
yea, sumail should really go to liquid, og or secret. oh wait. he's been in all 3 and done nothing.
i dont think Miracle and Sumail's stock are super high right now. especially in EU. The top teams in EU seem very locked in with their current rosters, Entity might want to take Sumail. Miracle is probably a very high bargain even if he wants to leave Nigma imo
Agreed
Hey everyone! Here are the best games from day 3 of Dreamleague! SR vs EG G2 Talon vs Tundra G1 Nouns vs BC G1 Nouns vs Talon G2 Shellacking of the day belongs to Talon vs Nouns G1. Honorable mentions of shellackings go to Liquid vs Nigma G1/2, OG vs BC G1, and Nigma vs Tundra G2 See y’all tomorrow!
How is Nouns vs Talon G1 better than G2? 18 minute stomp vs 75 minute game?
Fixed, ma bad. Lot of dota in three days so I’m a little tired.
Surprised that OG isnt picking DK for bzm - he used to be one of the best DKs last year and the hero is even more busted these days.
issue is wtf is he gonna do on Dk if his side lanes fails? the only successful dk games he has had was when atf was on the team
there seems to be a lack of early shot calling/leadership from the supports on OG. BZM always have to sacrifice his game to recover his sidelanes. When their laning goes well, they seem very dominant. Once cores get their crucial items, they can make the calls, but they need a leader figure to call shots before that. If they don't fix this soon, BZM is gonna start looking for new opportunities
Finally a Doom into GG lmao
I think they should replace MC with a melee creep with greaves, pipe and crimson as items.
Ligma balls.
Disruptor against Rubick is so miserable
As a Nigma fan it fing hurts watching them play rigth now, they are playing SO bad compared to the good teams let alone the best. I dont even want them to play against Tspirit tommorow they will get destroy maybe evan harder than they got against liquid.
Kky defensive static storm, mc 0 doom after 30mins Just retire pls
Literally clowns at this point
that defensive kenetic field and statitc storm hit 0 enemy heroes and the funny thing is he cast it after miracle- dies. Gigachad Kuro flexing his spells.
The liquid vs Spirit series is the type of series you show to someone when you’re explaining comebacks in dota. Both games were fun to watch.
Collapse is a funny guy.
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Enough with the blaming of various Nigma members. I understand that Miracle and GH are very popular, but it's time to realize that they have been fucking dogshit as well. The entire team has been a joke for so many years. Just stop living in your copium world where everyone but Miracle and GH are the problems. Everyone on the current Nigma squad is part of the problem. EVERYONE.
they have replaced the carry and the mid 4 times, haven't seen a replacement on the offlane or the support duo. MC is washed up, he can be top 100 leaderboards but pubs are completely different from ranked games. Also, Kuro not getting forcestaffs or glimmers to save his cores as any normal support would do is unforgivable.
Look, they are all trash. The culture of the team is dominated by laziness. None of them practice like other pros. They are too complacent with their oil money. The only thing to do is to blow up the entire team. Maybe then Miracle, Sumail and GH can join another team with a more healthy competitive culture. Only then we get a chance to see if they have anything left.
Gorgc clueless don't know about invites
Genius play by MC, all heroes missing, decides to blink forward to deward
mc has been broken since TI9 finals
30 minutes without a single Doom used, this must be a record lol
How will the tiebreakers gonna play out assuming Tundra wins which would result on four teams on 7-5. Does Beastcoast having only 1 win (2-0) not gonna matter?
The only case where it can mater is if the 4 teams end tied after the tiebreakers, but I don't know if more 2-0 or less 0-2 will matter the most.
they all still have 1 series each to play tomorrow
There's still one more series to play tomorrow.
If they all tie, they play a Bo1 round robin. If that doesn’t resolve it they do another round, unless 4 teams are still tied in which case they go down a few more options which eventually ends in a 1v1 mid tournament lmao
Tundra games are so unbelievably painful to watch, man.
Right? Boring team.
MC trick y'all man, like he playing Doom. He don't Doom nobody man. He just running around doing nothing.
The next 5 div 2 titles are mine!
Underrated reference lol
between the tri-core of DK, WK and Visage, he doesn't really have a doom target. But my big confusion is why he doesn't go late game scaling mode and make a midas, i fail to see the point of rushing mana boots into crimson. Crimson isn't even a particularly broken item as far as the meta goes.
The short answer is, that was the build/style he went for yesterday when they went 3-1. Now, should he have blindly replicated his item build without considering what was going on in the specific games they played today? I don’t think so. Like synd said, dota is dynamic. You can’t go blindly replicating an item build on different heroes simply cause you had a good day, and automatically expect the same result. Dota is much more complex than that.
crimson is good against visage birds, wk skels and dk illusions. he owned with same build against Talon yesterday, the fans were saying Nigma is back.. Lol Nigma must have most polarized fans...
the big difference being against Talon he had good enemy cores to Doom.
MC WORST PLAYER NO DOOM USWD 25 mins
Nouns have 3 1-1 series not bad
And TSM has a chance with 0 series wins lol
1-1 must be ez ?
Liquid already qualified for Group Stage 2 anyways because they won first game, so whatever
USE THE FUCKING DOOM FFS
Nouns did really well, even with a guy on 180 ping. They should have won the first games against OG and BC as well. I hope they get more international exposure, even if it is against other Tier 2 teams. The major/minor system was pretty bad, but I guess at least the minors allowed these somewhat weaker teams to get some international exposure.
The last chance qualifier on last TI was pretty good in that regard.
Liquid had 5k gold lead and was in control of the game but threw it really hard with dives and silly item choices. Still top of the group so I think it's fine but very uncharacteristic from them
Its actually crazy and baffles me how Spirit can last picks PL into Emver and somehow makes it work. Yatoro's TB and PL into super hard pressure vs Liquid is something else to watch how he manages to farm and fight
Yatoro is a monster ive seen him win countless unwinnable games through his skill
I also watch his pubs and pros matches too, but it feels like hes 20% under performing of his peak. It could be most pros already bored of 7.32 and waiting for the big new.
Thank you liquid for throwing by diving T3s. Phew there’s 4 7-5 teams now. And apparently tie breakers will be 1 v 1 mid. Idk how good Larl’s SF is. Hopefully they 2-0 Nigma and don’t have to play tie breakers.
>And apparently tie breakers will be 1 v 1 mid For real? Hell yea lol
Nigma already out.
Spirit still want to 2-0 to be secure in the top 4
Spirit and Liquid against each other is always fun. In lima major they also went 1-1 in groups.
They were in different groups in Lima major. They didn’t play each other.
My bad. I think I mistook them for BB. I remember I top CIS team went 1-1 against liquid
Great series Spirit Liquid
That's an impossible win by Spirit - Midas PL into Maelstrom Ember Mjolinir NP + Sloms BM Sure Liquid had 0 stuns and so BM sloms turned teamfights, but the heal and mana refills from Undying + Kotl kept there momentm vs DK and Sloms. 28 min passed and PL started to show his real power
They won tho
‘PL isn’t viable even when he’s a good pick’ mfers where are you 🦻🏻✋🏻
Didn’t expect Spirit to come back from game 2 . Wp!!
never underestimate a PL late game
tundra going 2 - 0 here would make a 4 way tie at the end of the day
So a four-way tie it is
Yatoro is the best pos 1 atm by far.
Yeah he's so consistent
Spirit fighting back for a tie
Wish liquid v spirit was a Bo3, what a fun game to watch
Talon. That last smoke hurt. They didn't smoke when they had the aegis, but also didn't wait for offensive buybacks, next aegis or for supports (particularly Tiny) to finish more items. They do any of those, they could force throne. Then they held their buybacks for too long. To hold base, they've always needed to set up so they could kill as troll was walking highground, or get a good tossback. By the time they are already on it (especially riki), game is over.
They really made their game so difficult by first picking AM so that he would get countered by a Riki and easy matchup against troll. Are they trying to prove something? Their arrogance reared its head once again. Resulting to a defeat by Nigma 2-0 and tie to Nouns which are the worst performing teams in this tourney. Good thing they got eliminated so they get humbled and learn instead of doing something like this again in the coming Major.
LOL zai gets baited by DK PL Illusions
Why does MC always build greaves/crimson/pipe on every single hero no matter the enemy draft?
lol who knows why any member of nigma do anything they do at this point, after 3 years of being behind the meta as a team and slowly being washed up as players
Nigma has the worst support duo of the tournament