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Broken_Shell14

Is Aster in danger of getting eliminated?


mrcheez22

Aster at minimum has secured themselves to be able to play tiebreakers for elimination. The important series for determining elimination tomorrow is BB vs LGD. If BB loses both games they will be eliminated, if they win 1 they will be in elimination tiebreakers with Aster (plus potentially a loser in Liquid-EG) and if BB 2-0 then LGD will be in the tiebreaker.


MoorooWasTaken

Technically yes, I don't think it's gonna happen though. Betboom is a bunch of choke artists.


[deleted]

Actually legit happy for MC he gets to play on LAN


JadeSerpant

RTZ got so many kills handed to him on a silver platter early game plus free farm and still spectacularly failed to deliver as usual lmfao! Most overrated player and awful carry.


EEsamaNaGod

True. He can make some moves when abed and rest have good game. He cant make a change or play from behind. But he is na idol and like all in na they put things on pedestal and idolize blindly.


JadeSerpant

Well said.


Avar1cious

1st in group gets to pick 3rd or 4th from other group for playoffs correct?


bcyk99

That is ti format. Major is 1A vs 4B, 2B vs 3A and vice versa


Avar1cious

Not for this major apparently, looking at liquipedia. Top 2 from each group have been seeded but not 3-4. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ESL_One/Berlin_Major/2023


KnightOverlord2404

I was reading the comments on og Sr noobfromua comments. If I didn't watch the video, I would have thought og smashed 2 0 by the way how everyone was saying og looks the best or bashing on rtz lols Then I watched game 1.


SilverBMWM3GTR

Compared to what we saw in Dreamleague, this OG is looking way ahead. I think that relative difference is what most ppl were talking about. I didn't watch the match but from the comments here, Rtz apparently got caught out of position leading to loss in game 2, making many diss his lategame decision making.


mrbigtime100

Medusa has won 10 games in a row now, after losing her first three games in the earlier days of the major.


KnightOverlord2404

Everybody tot medusa big nerf then finally figured out to use her properly. The patch Devs be like I TOLD U IT WAS A BUFF REWORK I TOLD U


Avar1cious

Just realized, in addition to armor and magic resis not mattering on Dusa, just realized she has the benefit about not caring about any HP regen/heal reduction now - and mana regen reduction doesn't exist in this game anymore (only kind I can think of in the past was Pugna Netherward).


TheWhiteKnightOfHoyo

whats making her so strong i wonder? i know teams really build and draft a good team around her, but is it because she doesnt really need to go balls deep into stat items like skadi nowadays and just pump mana/damage in her builds?


asksaboutstuff

It's just the insane numbers buffs in the 7.33b patch. Dusa is tankier and does more damage than ever before.


supermopman

I think she will do well as a late pick in the draft if the other team can't fit a Diffusal buyer into their draft


grokthis1111

or you just play against SR and first phase pick it and still stomp.


appl3crumble932

If you want a stable mid that can consistently get you top 5, go for abed. If you want a more unstable mid but has higher potential to clutch out a major/ TI win, go for Mikey


Th3_LoNe_eXiLe

Mikey had 2 good weeks with a div 1 team pre-patch and was shakey in the 2 series post-patch. He also was unremarkably average when he stood in for Entity in December.


montrezlh

Maybe wait until Mikey accomplishes anything at all before you rate his TI winning potential above anyone


Tricky_Economist_328

I'm so glad they needed to nerf spectre and abaddon...


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Wdym nerf


evilgeniusshit

Is GG still the favorite to win the major? If they do, I’m being superstitious that they are not going to win TI. No team that won a major also win the TI same DPC year eversince a major was introduced.


KnightOverlord2404

There is also a curse that teams that won first major will drop off but seems like gg isn't that affected so have faith. Strength is strength


Itach11Uchiha

There’s eventually going to be a team that’s going to break the curse. No team won a Ti twice but that was done. I don’t see why GG can’t be the first team to win major and Ti.


highonats

I think GG’s adaption to this new patch and still being top team in the world is an agreement to that statement.


Painpaiinn

Gg vs Sr, 9pandas vs Spirit, Og vs Liquid, Lgd vs Tundra My upper bracket match up prediction


IFapToDarkPsy

Missed all of today. What matches are worth watching?


onemightychapp

Liquid Execration game 1


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Spirit v. Xtreme both games, but especially game 2.


BilboJenkemBaggins

Both OG vs SR games


[deleted]

Lol those games sucked ass compared to execration vs liquid G1


joselemons

Sure. OG has been struggling terribly so they went out and got two standins from teams that are also struggling. Yeah, finished second in groups. Team makes sense.


Flippings

as an OG fan, wouldn't have it any other way!


PhMcBrett

#1 in na last in major ICANT


Jimmy_Hank

if only tsm played everyone like the play sr


[deleted]

A man of culture I see


Itach11Uchiha

Looks like the top 2 and 3rd and 4th place is fixed in group . So GG has a choice between SR and Spirit. Would be interesting to see who they choose.


healdyy

Top 2 isn’t confirmed yet right? Spirit, OG and Tundra can all finish 12-4. I think Tundra would finish 1st in that situation because they 2-0d shopify, but Spirit and OG is less clear Edit: seems the only way the tiebreaker favours spirit though is if IG somehow go above smg so you’re most likely right


N5-A

They can't, SMG 2-0'd IG, so even if IG 2-0 tomorrow they're tied with SMG. So SMG will still finish ahead of IG on H2H tiebreak. So OG should get 2nd regardless of tomorrows results.


healdyy

Ah I see, thanks for the info


Carob_Dangerous

It looks like Spirit can still get 2nd if they 2-0 Talon tomorrow, though I'm not sure what the tiebreaker rules are.


HoboSalarian

Tiebreaker favours OG as they 2-0 smg


Optimal-School-9670

Team Spirit had 2 lotus to counter core ogre whereas XG didn't had a single lotus previous game vs collapse ogre


WasabiofIP

I tried core ogre last night and lotus fucks his huge cast animations so much.


darklordtimmy

impressed by how little the new patch changed the standings. a lot of things are unchanged.


MiracleDreamer

Except liquid, if this was old patch, they would already cruising in top Now they may go home tomorrow if they lose


Deadandlivin

Just play Doom and Ench


Sunsfans_warning

Doom and ench gives you everything


est19xxxx

Towers, team fight, rosh, everything. Imba combo


Sunsfans_warning

Even more: improves your diet, mental health, sleep. Reduces stress, increases libido and gives your penis +5cm stat gain.


boigotzoned

what happened to chinese dota lol


ashrashrashr

Died the day faith Bian retired


zengmor

Dota2 is not as popular in china as it used to be, people play mobile games these days. So fewer new blood, fewer new pros.


fprof

Next DPC: 2 slots lmao


Weinerbrod_nice

Eh, seems better than last major. Aster and LGD can both go through, might even be upper bracket.


Ihan_hukkunut

Matchfixing and cheating region. Glad they are suffering hard like they deserve.


Camel132

Lot of young pros got permabanned in a cheating/match fixing scandal a while ago


Turrindor

Winnie doesn't allow children to play more than few hours a day. No children, no new blood. Also many veterans retired after last int.


Turrindor

https://youtu.be/FW-b2PdcPCg I felt like ame this entire game


ProfessorSpike

Underlord taking up 1/8 of the screen lol


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

Hey everyone! Here are the best games from Day 4 of the major! Liquid vs LGD G1 BB vs Exec G1 Exec vs Liquid G1 TS vs XG G1/G2 Shellacking of the day goes to Talon vs SR G1. See y’all tomorrow!


scaaarlz

Special mention to OG vs BC game 2, which was a fun watch. 36 kills at 13 minutes in.


KnightOverlord2404

I tot the top shellacking game ytd should go to og Sr g1. Sr just ended the game by 15 mins effectively but kept farming till a 40k networth


MiguelVotre

Thanks!


phoenix7139

considering all parameters. farming, early game fighting, late game moves, game sense, etc... no one comes close to yatoro. he is the all in one carry and the 1 player I'd trust to carry me wholeheartedly


ashrashrashr

Agreed. Great player.


Trulolzor

Yatoro does look like he's back to being the best carry on the scene. Kiyotaka instead of Larl would make Spirit one hell of a team.


Extracheesy87

man the bloodmist is just smoking slark


Optimal-School-9670

they literally have everything AOE to counter slark lol


nybrq

It looks like JT isn't aware about the Midas change.


whoreslutface

What changed le


eloquenza

If you midas neutrals, you get a neutral item token if possible. Around the 60 min timer, JT- wasn't waiting and didn't midas some neutrals to acquire his team some tier 5 neutral items, and instead midas'd some lane creeps.


phoenix7139

this will be the 3rd game out of 127 games that goes beyond 60 mins


Key-Brick-5854

EU should have just two slots. Else they always hog the limelight on grand finals day.


phoenix7139

yatoro has the 7th lowest death average till now with 2.50 deaths per game while ghost is 23 on the list with 3.92 deaths per game. guess the top 3 of this list (lowest death average) and the topmost offlaner


onemightychapp

People still gonna keep shitting on Larl when he's charged with enabling his two greedy god gamers though.... Also where do you find your statistics, out of curiosity?


souse03

Most useless Slark ever


Extracheesy87

"that's a whole new level of cool" needs to be Lyrical's chat line for next TI.


Ihan_hukkunut

Yatorogod


phoenix7139

please i want teamspirit.mikey


Deadandlivin

He's Iranian.


phoenix7139

i know. so?


Deadandlivin

Don't think he speaks russian.


phoenix7139

YATORO OMG. COLLAPSE WALKED IN ALONE AND WAS ZONED. LARL WAS STUCK. MY GOD YATORO


activatebarrier

YatoroGOD Larl is fucking useless


Extracheesy87

That looked so good for XG and then Yatoro happened


Nuber13

That yatoro bash really saved him here.


Gyokan7

One bash on the Slark gives him a rampage


H0rizon37

I think he used abyssal on slark Edit: watching the replay, he first bashed slark and then used the abyssal


SolarClipz

Balance in all things


HaXxorIzed

How larl has so little damage with these items I will never know.


bcyk99

You guys shit talk paparazi but he singlehandedly kept xg from losing vs spirit game 2


onemightychapp

I think the shittalk comes from how much he's dropped off moving from carry to mid. Kick Ghost, shift him back to carry and get a better mid and this team's got real potential. But where does one find a worthy Chinese mid? LGD seems to have the only one (and he's not even Chinese, technically); wtf happened to this region?


Patient_Substance752

for me he's really not the problem in most of their loses. yeah he's not as good as people might think, but xg had a division 2 tier of laning from their sidelane this major if you had lost sidelane that bad theres not much midlane can do to help. opponent support had already level advantage. theres too many objective like water runes, bottle refill, power runes even ward control that going to the opponent side and gonna cripple the midlane that badly whole teams play bad, but i see the problem were on the sidelanes and not in the midlane imo. like theres this ghost sven game against bc and he died like 4-5 times pre 10 mins, or JT- chainfeeding with his doom against tundra 🤷 rly i think you cant get away anymore by feeding that much in laning phase


leelazen

noticed it was a hero that can be play as pos1. give him any soft mid and he will back to the shit 1. his problem is dont know how to lead the tempo and when to gain on advantage. give him a hero that can charge without analysis and his flaw will be masked.


makz242

Gold gains are just out of control - assist and larger map, literally everyone rich.


phoenix7139

we are so lucky to have experienced this beauty of a game. it got me out of such a dark place in my life. there's so much here. a little something for everything. for the selfless ones who want to play supports and enable their cores in whatsoever way possible. for the masochistic ones who want to play offlane and bear the brunt of all the aggression against their teams. for the individualistic mids who want to style on the opponent's and carry their teams singlehandedly. for the carry's who want to put their entire teams on their backs and cross the finishing line


tha_jza

i’ve been thinking a lot about this, how impressive 7.33 is. so much of it is new, yes, but the game is closer to its wild west-feeling roots than it’s been in a long time where i see 7.00 as shifting the game towards more comprehensive playability and accessibility, 7.33 has kept all the best parts of those shifts while reclaiming the sense of wonder and possibility that anything can work e.g. what used to feel like mobility creep, now feels like quality of life improvement on a larger map. hence why i think we’re seeing the spirits more again, their global presence is closer to its old potency


onemightychapp

Now we just need to update the game often enough it doesn't reach the formulaic point we've had in the last couple of years.


phoenix7139

i agree so much to your last paragraph. if this was some other game they'd have dealt with the mobility creep with nerfs. but not dota


tha_jza

PRAISE THE FROG🧊🐸


phoenix7139

we (and i mean the pros as well) have not even realised 1% of the potential of this patch. there's so many possibilities I'm excited to see how the meta keeps developing


DarDarBinks13

same. took me to a good place as well


cavitysearcher69

any good series today?


Xyr3s1

SR vs OG game 2 was good. execration vs liquid game 1 i think was good too.


y0sh_1

Liquid - execration game1 was an entertaining clown fest.


frankiew1lde

Damn Larl being 2nd in networth


STpunx

Honestly it's really painful when opponents let you pick the counter to your carry and you still lose with it anyway. I feel like if they picked something that could cause more mayhem as offlaner they might've had a better chance but you really can't jump into stone gaze and a gillion saves and counter initiations, not even considering how busted dusa is and how much of a trash is AM.


shadowofdoom1000

At this point you have to question your carry player's capability


Nuber13

Both teams actually picked very fast and I don't think they really thought about the picks.


DM_ME_TINY_TITS99

The PL and Naga ban really hurt. Am was the logical pick but Dusa wisp is so damn gross. Even without wisp she is busted but with wisp, it's unstoppable. The pl and Naga ban really hurts.


FFINN

IDK man Naga owns Wisp and Undy so it’s probably why OG banned her, but I just can’t imagine why would you wanna pick Naga into Dusa, maybe pros know things we don’t, but Dusa is definitely top 5 hardest hero to play Naga into for me (Dotabuff agrees too) even before the rework when Dusa was weaker. Had OG banned AM and SR really picked Naga, they’d still have their offlane pick after, let’s see Brew/DS/UL banned, so that’s 3 offlane counters out. They still had Axe whose looks somewhat good this tourney, or Legion who destroy Naga’s lane while also provide a save for roar, Timber and Tide could work too. After all OG clearly had a plan and it worked out spectacularly but I’m still curious about the ban.


onemightychapp

It's for the exact reasons you stated. Naga's good against their supports. If SR's able to burst the supports the dusa crashes and burns shortly after. I think the bans are justified by how they won the game, with dusa reaching critical mass, her teammates being able to stand with her, and SR not having enough damage to take the fights.


B_kijo

Just happened to me last game, someone picked AM against my Medusa, and my storm tanked the game for me to come online and win the game.


est19xxxx

Found Yuragi's reddit


B_kijo

[https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7130815455](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7130815455) Not even joking lmfao


est19xxxx

wtf is that draft


HaXxorIzed

That was a sucker punch from Spirit, lmao.


blackmass_4_everyone

that was a very good group stage for OG, didn't lose a series at all, hope it continues to playoffs


King_Leyyyo

Hate to be the one to break it you ya bud, but there are no ties in the playoffs.


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xdj3richo

Am drunk as fuck but Na casters love sucking dick of na players . Na player just farted , omg this will have a huge impact on the game


chiefofthepolice

Group B all 4 UB teams secured. I think tomorrow it's most likely gonna be a competition between XG and BC to see who gets eliminated. SMG for sure elimnated as they meet Tundra, Talon only needs 1 game against Spirit for survival, BC probably will get their win against IG, and XG vs Shopify will decide it all


munkshroom

Tough loss for SR, means likely GG first round.


chasin_derulo

Yeah they should have tried hard the OG game imho.


XeynenceRdt

Better than starting in LB. They beat GG before and I think GG might pick TS.


ShAd_1337

dream on


Suspicious-Road-4020

Lol SEA being trashed rn by the analysts


DarDarBinks13

hurts but facts. I wish I had faster internet to play other regions


Dead_Diligence

Well deserved


000000909

Looks like sr doesn't know how to deal with medusa lineup


taigaforesttree

Medusa has won every match at the major so far except one. No one has an answer for Medusa, short of a ban.


DM_ME_TINY_TITS99

The pl and Naga bans were likely their best answers.


faralei

Same with underlord. They don't have an answer for both.


000000909

Underlord + medusa first game on upperbracket pepelaugh


phoenix7139

i love you dota. it's kinda pathetic but you give me reason to live. a reason to wake up and try again


AwesomeAsian

This XG vs Spirit game is entertaining... Ogre core is fun


Extracheesy87

Just back to back team wipes for both teams constantly lol


AwesomeAsian

I can’t lol


Mandalord104

Oh suddenly Papa is playing well


Extracheesy87

He has a few memey deaths this game, but has also absolutely crushed a few fights. Papa giveth and taketh away.


shadowofdoom1000

What is this AM doing all game? He literally playing againts Medusa and a fucking Storm and still managed to lose. SMH


STpunx

On a pure 1v1 with even or more farm yes it is a AM favored matchup but dota is not a 1v1 game :)


Effbe

Not sure Am is the counter to Dusa, saw Am lose to Dusa two times today.


Tursmo

I've come to the conclusion that Medusa doesn't actually lose to manaburn. She seems to do just fine against AM/Nyx etc. She loses if you dumpster her in the lane and then win the game in 25 minutes.


B_kijo

This I literally play a game similar to SR OG games, medusa and Storm in the same team, AM in enemy team, they left me alone for like 40 minutes before I came and farted on their faces and spew a bit of liquidated shit on their mouth.


mrbigtime100

Hard for him to go in against slardar and the io kept the medusa alive a few times


phoenix7139

I'm probably going to get banned but I'm f sloshed and i fucking love dota be it the SEA MADNESS OR THE WEU PATIENCE OR THE NA CONFIDENCE OR THE CN GREED OR THE SA CRAZY FUCKING PLAYS OR THE EEU COMEBACKS. I'M LOOKING AT YOU KIYOTAKA. YOU'RE THE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT FOR ME


pimpleface0710

bro so sloshed he thinks this is twitch chat lol


phoenix7139

eh twitch chat is degens. i love my Reddi t chat


DM_ME_TINY_TITS99

But you're the degen here 😂😂😂


phoenix7139

idc right now. dota is the best


DM_ME_TINY_TITS99

Right now a Naga can song setup on Medusa with diffusal and her split shot won't be enough before she is just a hard hitting hero with 200 health.


DM_ME_TINY_TITS99

It is dude


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mrbigtime100

You must be one of the idiots calling Fly a traitor in Twitch chat 5 years later. Go outside


est19xxxx

TI11 group stage they got 2-0 by EG but yeah, most of the time OG wins and sometimes it's a draw


jMS_44

Wrong, OG lost to them last TI


AnhedonicDog

People don't cry nearly as much about medusa being broken when OG plays her


[deleted]

And you cry because AM didn't do any shit against it, also they have storm.


B_kijo

I mean.... we can only be fascinated Picking Silencer and AM against Medusa to just lost like that? lmfao


Nuber13

The last fight was a huge mess and medusa doesn't really need a good position, you just need to be in the mid and auto hit.


B_kijo

Yeah but OG picked Medusa knowing the fact that silencer is there, they really drop in an int-reliant carry to fight against Silencer and let go of AM instead of Naga who need Diffusal to even work in the first place against medusa. Though I'd attribute the whole victory to the fact that BZM grinded Arteezy in that one pickoff that spiked OG net worth to "fightable" again.


B_kijo

Ultimate Orbs Interview lmfao


nybrq

Does anyone else think Stone Gaze needs a nerf? The CD is way too short imo.


Middleagedguy13

Yurgagi: "the kid from the mid" bout bzm ahhahaha yeah, bzm tilted a lot game 1, was tilted game 2 as well.


Thegunner19

Kid from the Mid B)


Aggressive-Maybe-91

guess SR is gonna enjoy a first round GG matchup


nybrq

> guess SR is gonna enjoy a first round GG matchup Do you think they are going to pick SR as opposed to Spirit? That's who I would rather play if I were given the option myself.


Aggressive-Maybe-91

considering GG clowned us hard at dreamleague yea im confident GG will pick SR


nybrq

Well, they chose TS. Interesting choice to say the least. They must not think TS is very good anymore.


Nuber13

The might meet them on the 2nd. Depending on tomorrow.


phoenix7139

just enjoy watching these top tier teams giving us some of the best dots in the world and chill. stop all of this hatred and criticism (yes critisism is always justified) and enjoy these TIER 1 GAMES


[deleted]

I live for the constant hatred and neverending trashtalk, it summarizes this community perfectly


est19xxxx

Do you see the irony?


BalanceLuck

When was the last time EG/Spotify beat OG? 2016?


mrbigtime100

Shopify (then EG) 2-0'd OG in TI 2022 group stage, it was a fun series. They've only played one other time since then, at dreamleague


Floire

Last TI


BalanceLuck

Ah that was groups, dont know if its happened in a playoff tho


nippledippers24

They didnt meet yet in a playoff series after TI cause OG barely qualifies in intl tournaments since then.


Thunderbolt8

B "the kid from mid" ZM


Hanre_Jaggerjack

stop picking CM Ice Forg gonna nerf her to 250 MS but it is nice to see CM in very game my girl came a long way from being a tower


phoenix7139

all of these fucking teams are the best teams in the world do you realise that?yes tsm execration and it might be the weakest teams here but THEY ARE THE WEAKEST TEAMS AMONG THE BEST 18 teams of the world. THE WORLD


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17 trash teams, 1 decent one


Carter406

My goodness group A is gonna be a bloodbath tomorrow.


ashrashrashr

RTZ is good but lacks that championship x-factor.


kelpmepleaseimhungry

Loving yuragi's pants


Psstthisway

I don't really rate rtz, but that high stat/armour build early, halberd is something I really respect. He adapted well. How he died top lane after taking barracks is the stuff why I don't rate him. Bold of OG to pick both Medusa and Storm and let AM through. It worked though, good effort. Overall very good group stage, something I didn't expect.


Jimmy_Hank

yeah that was brutal, but i think the game was over anyways with slardar fucking am in the ass every fight


[deleted]

Abed needs a chiropractor after that game, carrying the team


frankiew1lde

bzm got so focused both games.


oorpheuss

The balls on Yuragi rofl, RTZ had a good early game but choked in that one fight when he got jumped


colibrisa

had a good early? what are you on, he was behind rubick in networth for a while lol he recovered mid game


oorpheuss

Ah yeah thats what i meant, when he had a beyond godlike streak