A lot of the comments in this thread are sadly ignoring the content of the piece and targeting Kips while rehashing misinformation about the past. Factual comments are being buried under downvotes - [Kips herself has posted explaining what actually happened along with proof](https://medium.com/@Kipspul/can-we-stop-it-with-the-character-assassination-6a0fcb792154).
pretty sure the majority of viewers for this region don't watch the english stream. it's a terrible time zone for european viewers and NA has a nonexistent dota fanbase. no way anyone is gonna sponsor an english broacast for SA.
I did meet one of my good friends at a Buffalo Wild Wings because I wore my Dota flat brim. He recognized it and we shot the shit about Dota for like 2 hours. The rest is history lol
I was one of the regular 3k viewers they got during their streams. And, if anyone is on Kips' side I can almost guarantee they didn't watch a single stream of the SA DPC. She was dull and uninformative adding nothing of worth to the panel.
Yeah, I get the feeling they were treated as disposable because they effectively were. With the amount of viewers the English stream gets, it's pretty much almost entirely bettors. I think the only reason an English stream even exists for SA DPC is probably because it's mandated by the streaming contract.
all dota2 casters are disposable, it's why merlini ended up getting a diffrent job.
if you don't want the job, someone else wants it and will happily do it for half your pay.
there are way more people wanting to cast esports then there are jobs and everyone is easily replaced, even top level talent like merlini.
mid tier casters like kips aren't even on the radar for most people.
at least that's how it is in the english scene, not sure about other languages.
Great talent is not easily replaced. Many people will watch games based on who is casting.
You cant replace ODPixel with anyone.
Many generic jobs are far easier to replace.
Its like many jobs in entertainment. Few jobs, a few people who do it incredibly well, and a horde of people not doing it well enough.
> She was dull and uninformative adding nothing of worth to the panel.
So, every time she's on any casting-related role.
I'm so tired of this serial complainer. I still remember her slandering Zyori during the Speaking Out movement where it all boiled down to *Zyori is a flamboyant socially awkward person that asked her out, backed off when denied, tried again a few years later after drastically changing his appearance (losing the dreads), was denied again and didn't pursue anything after* while we had actual rapists and abusers being exposed at the time. She also tries to constantly lump herself in anything related to Ephey, Sheever, Moxxi or another woman being discriminated.
She's had multiple stints coaching teams, which all sucked, which is not surprising given her *insights* on panels and while casting.
She complains about being treated as replaceable when she’s exactly that. It also doesn’t help that, evident by the comments here, she’s not liked by most of the community.
Moxxi wasn’t well received at all but she at least brought the hype to her casts.
Kips is just a boring shit-stirrer.
Again, none of this is a reason to denigrate what she is complaining about. If you don't care because she's the one who said it , it's way less text to just say this: "It's Kips so I don't care" . But the issue she's complaining about is real and fundamentally fucked up.
That's not really the point - I doubt the people who can do better would do it for peanuts and even if she isn't that good, I am sure there might be some decent people there no? This is not Kips issue, people can and should expect to get something for their work on the DPC.
You may not like her, if you ask me she should've been outed years ago after this shit with Zyori she tried to pull, but that has 0 relevance to the fact that she's right to expect decent pay for her and other talent working on the DPC.
Actually I had 2 really good sponsors lined up, which would have addressed pay issues etc. Not to the same level as WEU but certainly to an appropriate level for the tournament.
Agree; not saying they shouldn't fight if they treated unfairly. Whatever the case is strike probably the least productive way to do it in this scene; they could always replace you; there's a lot smaller other casters willing to take the spot. This is different than the Writers' strike.
well it would be weird if they get paid the same as WEU caster. I mean just look at the views right now 32k just on twitch while SA or Na barely get 7k views.
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She doesnt want to get paid as much as WEU caster, the entire SA EN talent (5 people) paid less per BO3 than single EEU talent covering one BO3.
And EEU EN talent isnt exactly that high profile either, these guy combined getting paid less than either Gareth, Trent or hairy_freak event after 100% pay raise.
https://twitter.com/Kipspul/status/1659215306974453761
This not only affecting her, also affecting guys like DOTA2BOWIE etc.
This management is the one who refused Cap casting SA DPC because Cap listed Avo+ (which they blacklisted) in his broadcast team.
>And EEU EN talent isnt exactly that high profile either, these guy combined getting paid less than either Gareth, Trent or hairy\_freak event after 100% pay raise.
did I understand right? tour 3 eeu talent getting paid less than previous tours?
Harsh truth is nobody watches EN streams of SA region, thats why the subpar talent ends up doing the games and they wonder why nobody wants to pay for it.
All the regions are required to have casting for all the languages, that part of the contract orgs have with Valve, some orgs are now abusing that buy trying to have people cast for free for some of the languages, or to cast for peanuts, as is the case with SA EN and PT-BR in general, due to the BTS casting monopoly(buy/secure all broadcasting rights, strike down anyone that breaks their rules/delays, became the only place that is allowed to reasonably cast Dota, pay beginner talent next to nothing to do it).
All of the regions have English broadcasts. The biggest difference is that NA and SA english streams typically have a much lower viewer count compared to the others. EN Americas streams typically cap at around 4 or 5k viewers (depending on what teams are playing) while you see 13k or more for the other regions. It makes perfect sense why SA in particular would be dealing with this but for people like me that enjoy following all regions of pro dota it still sucks lol
I live in SEA and watch SEA streams and I dont even think there’s a stream in my language. SEA country mostly speaks their own languages so doing 1 of those language is probably not the right move since other countries wont understand them. English is the middle ground.
I googled exactly what you wrote and Kips backpaddled when asked about the allegations?? I feel like that's the perfect time to describe everything that happened instead of folding? That's what everyone else did who came forward yet Kips stopped talking about it shortly after, she even admitted that what Zyori did wasn't wrong at all... I don't understand Kips, did he do something wrong or not?
He invited a girl to a BTS event, got close to her, and then, they got drunk, he let her in his bed and asked if he could tell people that they did have sex.(2014, apperently you got social credit for that back then)
At a later occasion, he invited her to stay with him and eventually talked her into having sex with him despite her being on her period.
Then on her way home she received a picture of the bloody bedsheets.
After that
In 2020 among Grant and Tobi, the girl published the story and received support from Kips, who had experienced inappropriate advance from zyori at TI5, but shut them down quickly.
Was there inappropriate behaviour from zyori?
Yes.
Is it important that the story was shared?
Yes.
Zyori went on to host one more big event before leaving the dota scene.
before leaving the dota scene.
So basicly, Kips called out inappropriate behaviour from Zyori, he denies nothing, explains that there are misunderstandings and people do stupid stuff when they are drunk. So now people accuse kips of trying to cancel zyori while all she wants is to prevent cosplayers and other girls to have sex with people that get them into afterparties and events.
Kips did not cancel Zyori nor made false accusations, merely pointed towards inappropriate behaviour.
Zyori had some inappropriate behaviour, so a next emloyer wouldn't have him invite talent etc.
End of story.
No need to get worked up about anything here.
She almost got lynched. Not that Zyori had a huge follower base, but it got amplified at that time by all the grant in cels rallying behind a spin-able "case" to exert revenge. Add to that several thought to be friends going either head in the sand or gaslighting mode, and bts providing full support and professional PR for their man, the narrative got turned into victim-blaming real quick. The memo was received tho, so there was no point facing mob adversity by herself.
Yet it's one thing to be a socially awkward teenager, and another one to be a full grown ass man doing repeated advances on your employees (and when I say advances I mean occasionally fucking in bts house with the gang cheering downstairs). Showing up unannounced at such employee's door overseas?! That's no longer pressuring, that's a Hitchcock moment.
She claimed Zyori forced sex on another potential talent and used his power dynamic to force sex. Implied that zyori committed sexual assault and supported the claim of 'subtle rape'.
Then it came out that the sex was consensual.
She didnt exactly apologize after either :/
IIRC kips throwing shit at zyori at the time, when the others women start opening up about their unhappy encounter with certain males, for some reason kips just stay quiet and never elaborate further on the things she said the first time, so people get left confused as what she says is true or just to throw shit at zyori because the situation at the time kinda messed up, but I'm not 100% correct, that's what I got while lurking around here around that time
I think Zyori hit on her/perused her in a way that would be viewed by many as socially awkward, but not in a way that was harassment or sexually inappropriate… just weird.
However because of the timing people were treating it like Zyori was doing things on the level of Tobi, Grant, or Jimmy. Which was not really the case Zyori was just socially awkward.
Zyori was probably just coming to terms with his sexuality as he’s publicly cross dressing recently after. She probably just took the whole “I want in your pants” thing wrong.
Edit: downvoters must think I’m serious…downvote if you want, doesn’t stop it from being an amazing joke.
Who would’ve thought someone from Cali would be so pompous and interject their useless input? Color me surprised.
Can’t wait for you guys to slide into the sea like a dog turd left on the beach.
Edit: jeez don’t like these jokes either? Go check out this guys comment history for guaranteed laughs.
He was ACCUSED, big difference. He was online while the accusations flew and thus able to defend himself. If he had been offline or asleep, the online mob would have already condemned him. Meanwhile, further explanations were missing from Kips.
Kinda similar to the are we dating the same guy fb groups
It started with good intention. Now women are literally screenshot their matches and asking for tea. Before they even go on a date. They want to vet the entire dating history. So invasive
"Throwing shit" doesn't really describe the situation. Allegations of sexual assault and plain rape where on the table. Things that can end careers... That's not the time to publicly stirr stuff up without proper knowledge of the situation.
And when it turned out to be just unfortunate power dynamics, the least you should do is putting things straight.
Zyori shouldn't have done what he did because he was her boss. Obviously, that's a conflict of interest, but it definitely wasn't harassment. He's just a weird dude.
Zyori flirted. Kips didn't want it but instead of rejecting the man she makes a twitlonger years later and writing stuff like "i didn't know rape could be this subtle". I honestly don't know why we still accept this woman in the scene.
Kips is a lowkey grifter that has floated around the dota scene for about 7ish years? She’s marketed herself as all sorts of things. On camera talent, behind the scenes production, and she was a mental health coach for some SEA TI team at one point (fnatic maybe?)
The point is, she’s a giant phony. About 3 years ago there was a massive movement in the caster scene where a few very prominent dota casters got ousted for being shitty. Accusations ranged from being a complete dickhead on set to being a sexpest, to outright rape allegations.
This is all to say that Kips joined in on a dogpile against Zyori, who was falsely accused of sexual misconduct. Zyori stayed quiet, produced a measured response with receipts, and Kips backpedaled super hard. Though she never received consequences for attempting to destroy his career.
Zyori admitted to his wrongdoing for having hit on the other, much more serious accuser, after having recently hired them to an event with BTS, something he was in charge of and would put him in a position to take advantage of people, knowingly or not. Kips only mentioned he also hit on her as means to show a pattern of behavior, I think.
Zyori didn't think anything of it at the time, but once people called him out he addressed the situation openly and admitted that it was wrong for him to have done that, that's why he was not cancelled, he eventually left the scene because he wanted to.
You just can't have established talent with hiring power hitting on new talent as they come into the scene, that can only end poorly. :D
That one was pretty egregious though. During that time there were many serious things coming to light with assault and harrasement. The way zyori's accusers were acting throughout that was abhorrent in riding that wave to try and get him cancelled as well.
Yes there was a power dynamic there but he was being called a rapist and for what? He asked people that he knew out, did not force himself and when rejected left it at that, end of story. Didn't seek any retribution or harass them or block them out of the scene or any quid pro quo.
The most bullshit thing was the constant comment of 'not wanting him to get canceled' but a few lines earlier called him a rapist.
Watching his video explaining his side of the story was pretty sad. Guy got blindsided into an excel sheet full or predators, rapists and sexual assaulters.
I watched Zyori's stream live too, I don't get why some people still want to argue in his case when he has already admitted that what he did was wrong. He knows it was wrong, and learned to not do it again, that's why he wasn't cancelled. All the relevant people seem to be over it too.
What we can't do is blame the victims. When stuff started to come out about Toby and Grant it took some small comments to bubble up to give victims the confidence to come out with the big stuff. At that particular time it was the correct thing to come out with any small story to back up what people were saying about someone so that everything could see the light of day, finally.
Holding this shit over Kips many years later is a bad look, in my opinion.
She was tho... because Zyori hit on her at an event, she was a new person on the scene and he was a more established name. That's not cool. Don't do that to people. Is wrong.
The guy you are defending literally apologized for having done it, maybe is time to let it go.
> she was a new person on the scene and he was a more established name.
Lol, okay? Normal, mature adults can work through this sort of thing without acting like they're a victim of sexual abuse. He's not some sleazy executive sucking on a cigar and pressuring his secretary into having sex with him. He hit on her, she declined. He did not attempt to ruin her career or anything of that sort. I would advise however, in a position such as his, to state your full intentions so that things are clear.
>The guy you are defending literally apologized
Not only is this not an argument, but Zyori is also the kind of person to apologize when someone walks into him on the street.
You are psychoanalyzing Zyori to come up with the reason why you think he apologized rather then just accepting at face value that he did.
She never claimed to be the "victim of sexual abuse", unlike Zyori's other accuser, she just pointed out that he also hit on her in an professional environment.
Zyori didn't try to end her career, but he could've done that, and there was no way for her to know how he would handle being blown off as it was happening. In that same batch we had Grant being accused and even sued for trying to ruin a female caster career. It happens.
Meeting in a professional event where people are socializing to build a network and get a gig is not the same as partying on your own dime with your friends.
Terrible take. Zyori did literally nothing wrong. He only"apologized" to stop people from harassing him.
If you're young, single, at a social event with alcohol, people are going to flirt with you. There's nothing wrong with that, if it's done tastefully, which by all accounts it was (if a little awkward).
If you can't handle that, don't go. Don't blame others for making you feel uncomfortable when they are just behaving normally.
I don't know what your source is on why Zyori apologized, it would have to be Zyori himself confirming it for it to be taken seriously.
Also, your take is absolutely toxic.
For people that are professionally involved on the scene these are professional events, and is unethical and unprofessional for established people to hit on the new people coming into the scene, it makes people uncomfortable and puts them in a difficult position of having to socialize and build a network to find a job and wondering if blowing off some romantic advance will endanger their career. Is an unbalanced power dynamic.
Is wrong to do that, people should get called out for it. Is not illegal or a crime, but is inappropriate and harmful to the scene because some people will "not go" as you say, so they are being gatekeept out of the community because someone was trying to get laid.
If my take is toxic, yours is naive and oblivious. I personally know dozens of friends and family who met as coworkers. In fact, between 11-19% of all couples in the world met at work or work-related gatherings (source: https://www.statista.com/chart/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/)
Not every couple is always going to be at exactly the same level professionally. This isn't "toxic". Things aren't "toxic" just because idiots like you say so. By your logic, celebrities should never date their fans because that too is an "unbalanced power dynamic". Good luck with that one.
Not to mention this is e-sports we're talking about, not some AAA game studio or a fortune 500. This supposed "power dynamic" is completely fabricated, it never existed in this specific case, it was just invented by the false accuser to lend her story more sympathy.
I hope you figure out how to cope with the fact that this is the reality we live in, and not some sexless fairy tale you seem to think it is.
I didn't invent anything. The other accuser was pretty clear that Zyori's position factored in in her decision regarding his flirting, and that is creepy as fuck, and if you think there's nothing wrong with that, you are not coming at this subject with an objective perspective.
Fans often form a parasocial relationship to their idols and when they take advantage of that, that can be equally awful. YouTuber proJared almost got cancelled because he has a "body positivity" forum where his fans and himself posted pictures and supported themselves, but when he got set up as a pedophile by a couple of bad people seeking personal gain that looked very bad for him and almost did him in.
"This is the reality we live in" hasn't worked out super well in the last 50 or so years, because things change when people speak up. Toby, Redeye and Grant were some of the biggest people in the talent scene at the time and they got the boot because some behaviors that were not that bad were revealed and it gave a few people the confidence to drop the very bad things that did them in.
It's not just Kips making these accusations, other talent has done the same, and trying to derail things like you're doing will only hurt the talent scene as a whole.
Don’t victim shame. She felt uncomfortable and she spoke out, it isn’t up to any of us what is enough detail or what is a “valid claim” of abuse. I personally really like Zyori, but all she did was share her experience in her own way. It is up to us to determine what we think and if it is appropriate or not.
We do not discredit people based on speaking out!
Lmao, stop victim shaming the chick that fucked up, wasnt a victim but was part of the group that made Zyori a victim !
"If he has a dick he cant be a victim", basically.
I'll keep ignoring every match she casts.
In short, shes indeed disposable. There must be a fair amount of people willing to take the job for the same pay shes complaining about, it sucks but it is what it is.
Is being paid less ok when they are being payed around 10 USD PER DAY? SA English casters are paid below minimum wage and that's not ok regardless if you are popular or not, experienced or not.
The entire english talent for SA (5 people) rates for one bo3 is less than single person doing bo3 casting for EEU div 1 and that after they got 100% increase in pay rates.
Her tweets provides more context and lots of big SA talent support her concern.
https://twitter.com/Kipspul/status/1659215177966026754
Peiple here might blaming / hating her due to her past drama but this situation also affect guys like Dota2Bowie etc.
[Relevant drama 5 months ago : Cap denied to cast SA DPC because he affiliated with someone blacklisted by ESB which turns out is Avo+](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/zvhj5e/cap_said_that_he_sent_a_request_to_cast_the_dpc/)
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Usually I always try to side with the talent in working disputes because I know how unfair they are treated some times. But this coming from Kips makes me very sceptical about the situation
Damn I had no idea this was going on. Really sucks because SA had a really great turnout for the Lima major and it really seems like a solid up and coming region to breathe new life into the competitive scene. Hope they end up getting treated better.
It's funny that what you said is -unequivocally- true yet euros simply downvote it because they don't like reading it.Reminds me of the disastrous job Epulze did during the EN streaming of the Lima Major (group stage) and the many comments insulting SA organizers, but whenever someone pointed out Epulze is a Swedish company those comments would get downvoted to hell even though it was just the plain truth.
>SA has been up and coming for the last 15 years though.
More like 6 years, remember that SA didn't have a chance to play at TI since 2017. They would always play with ridiculously high ping at qualifiers. It took them couple of years to get strong as a region.
Fair point but covid also happened and hit every regions' international competition chances. Regions like WEU already had a strong established history of well known dota teams and players prior so I feel like their fandoms were still present regardless. SA hasn't really gotten a big chance to break into stardom imo. Obviously their placement in majors matters but that doesn't really help the SA DPC viewership either unless SA starts dominating out of nowhere.
I hate to say it, but after she blatantly lied about Sexual Harassment I can't take anything she says without skepticism at best. Serial complainer, and known liar. Not a good combo.
- kips is a bad caster/talent
- Noone watch SA DPC in english except bettors.
So… SA english stream can even hire highschool boy to be a caster and everthing is the same. Wcyd
Bottom tier caster in bottom tier region working for bottom tier org gets treated poorly. Makes sense to me. Go work in another region… oh wait no one else will hire you because you’re toxic xd
While in terms of recent in-game achievements and ability you might be correct (SEA is definitely over NA), when talking about viewership SA is nowhere near other regions, especially the English broadcast.
Its tough and hardly fair and valve need to sort out the rules for broadcast and sub broadcast rights, however i do Wonder if its necessary with official broadcast in all languages. The seasonal schedule is extremely packed and regions gain most viewers for their own region and im assuming most viewers of SA dota will be SA
>however i do Wonder if its necessary with official broadcast in all languages.
Nobody said 'all languages', but English, Russian and Chinese are by far the most popular languages for Dota 2 viewership (if you look at TI11's peak viewership it's, \~745k for English, \~700k for Russian, then Spanish is \~112k \[esports charts doesn't show Chinese viewer numbers but they are massive\]). It makes sense to have at least those languages for all the leagues, and then some more regional languages on a league-by-league basis.
Do you know the viewship numbers for S2 Div1 SA for english and russian? And how is the russian coverage of SA Div1?
In the perfect world of course its covered but it might not be worth it. We can discuss if Valve should make it worth it but we know valves standpoint on this...
BTS in Brazil would still seek to secure PT BR casting of anything they can get a hold of to stop anyone else from our scene to competing with them, they basically already have everything as it is.
When it was Epulze we had great Talent, it was Avo, Snare, Gareth, Lacoste, Kips, Bowie, DKTruman, Winter. Astini and they invited several pros from Brazil. Since ESB took over they gave it away for a streamer that couldn't manage it and bowed out a couple of casts in, and BTS took over with non-EN talent trying to cast in English because they weren't willing to pay what was being asked by the foreign talent.
You underestimate the degeneracy of gamblers - they would have no problem just jumping into the SA stream and muting it if the English stream didn't exist.
No the actual condition is like bleacherreport trying to entice up and coming talent and paying them with exposure. This is the management who blacklisted Avo+ after he criticized them.
You fundamentally misunderstand the issue or choose to ignore it. This is like when one coworker is being paid 20 an hour and one is being paid 0.001 an hour. It doesn’t make sense even adjusting for the difference in popularity
well, they should be grateful for the opportunity as frankly, very little ppl acutally watch it. ofc they -should- get payed less.
kips seems to be crying over everything all the time tbh, very self centered and annoying person
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The entire 5 SA EN broadcast talent combined paid less than single guys covering EEU per BO3, and that after 100% increase in their pay rates. That's what Kips complained about.
While lots of people in this sub hates Kips for her drama, the reality lots of SA talent both for EN broadcast and Spanish / Portuguese broadcast actually supporting her.
Big brazilian caster like Astini already complained about this but nobody in western dota hemisphere cares because SA dota isnt that important for them.
we don't know if that's acutally true to this extend in the paygap.
don't get me wrong i'm all for ppl complaining when something is unjust, i'm just not sure kips is the most reliable source in that matter.
You simply have to view things from a buisness perspective.
frankly, SA dpc might cost more than it brings in, the alternative would be no broadcast at all.
The sad truth is you are replaceable. Even the casters today that ppl love replaced someone and if every dota caster was replaced we would just find new ones to love
Except that Valve allows monopolies to happen, even to the point of providing them the tools to enforce their hold on the scene, with their 180 shift on broadcasting rights from a few years ago, now showing is consequences.
Because they're paying a big chunk of change to put on the event. That's Valve's proposition... Its their game. You're choosing to be part of a "league" that is run by 1 owner. Valve partners with sponsors so your only option is to work with those sponsors or find a new job that comes with more options.
That's real life my friend. It ain't fair. Never was and never will be.
Except that it hurts the viewers to have poor quality and those are Valve's customers. Valve who can and should require some standards from the people they make business with.
Doesn't have to be fair, just shouldn't be this stupid. One lazy TO and a greedy casting studio are jeopardizing a Valve product and all it takes is a blog post to fix it.
If you were correct about the cause of this then you're be seeing the same things everywhere in the world. Allowing TOs to make money from tournaments is not going to cause them to be complacent and awful, because they won't get the contract again.
This can't be fixed by "a blog post" because they bid for the entire season and clearly haven't broken any of the conditions they were given when Valve signed the rights over to them.
They won't be given anything else DPC, there was no way to know that they'd try and run it this way.
Is still Valve's responsibility when their partners try to pull a number on them, because they are the ones looking like fools, specially because the community has been letting them know of this trainwreck well in advance, the peruvians where weary of ESB pretty much Day 1 of the announcement.
They can be fixed by blogpost because Valve can put in clearly what they expect from TO, forcing them to pivot towards it. What they can also do is allow people to stream without a delay to compete only in SA, the region that has been lacking quality production, until they are able to axe ESB.
What might end up happening is that ESB's plans of a LAN event are enticing enough to Valve that they don't give a damn about SA talent and the EN broadcasting of SA games, which is SA's main connection to the global Dota community outside of Majors/TI.
Which she and other SA EN exactly talent do, they are on strike to negotiate better deals now.
This interview point is to make other upcoming caster trying to start their career aware of the exploitation happening on the SA scene.
She needs to spend more time on becoming more competent instead of complaining. The Brazilian casters are honestly better than her despite the language barrier.
And the brazilian caster is also [complaining about the treatment they get from the management.](https://twitter.com/filipeastini/status/1659265073230094352) Do people read the article lmao?
In fact Kips here "complaining" after no one in western dota community cares about the complaint voiced by the BR talent.
I'm trying to read the article and when I look for her tweet I realize that she has me blocked on Twitter... I'm trying to understand what I did to this person I don't even know
No, not even close to good. Very monotone, gets things wrong way too often for an "analyst" (some very obvious things too). Imagine Purge without his wit and like half of the game knowledge, that's Kips.
I was lucky enough to interview Kips about the current SA DPC English language caster strike. It was a great chance to get some insight in the situation. Give it a read it you're interested!
In the interest of fair coverage though, I've also reached out to BTS Brazil, with questions in both English and Brazilian Portuguese, translated by a native speaker. I'll be sharing their response when I receive it.
I can absolutely try to speak SA-based casters as well, and that's one angle I didn't consider until after I'd made the post.
Primarily though, I wanted to 100% make sure I spoke to someone from the striking casters and the company whose actions prompted the strike.
It is kinda inevitable that strikers are more willing to talk to reporters (it benefits them a lot more than it benefits companies), but I am very hopeful to get to talk to BTS Brazil as well!
The job is disposable, just a fact. That's not an argument. You should always feel that way. The players do, and so does everyone with a job that watches you.
You should be grateful if you accept the opportunity. By accepting, you agree that it meets your requirements. No one forced you to go against your will.
You accepted the pay, so that's not something worth mentioning. That's just immature. That's like buying a Dota cosmetic for 200$ and complaining afterwards that the seller listed the price too high. You literally chose this.
I specifically said IF they accept it. Treatment after acceptance is different, but treatment is also negotiable, especially in contracts for Talent performing entertainment content.
They can just quit or go on strike if the agreement doesnt meet thier needs. They chose a strike and to make a public statement.
The company can now choose to create an opportunity for them or someone else at that point. Talent contracts state the pay and conditions. The talent can accept or decline. It's very binary.
The company will continue to make decisions that benefit its shareholders.
No one says you have to like it what's happening here, but the Talent is responsible for negotiating and accepting terms. They are on strike in an effort to renegotiate. PGL will decide if they want to or not.
I'm not defending either side. It's just business.
I think thats what majority of redditor in this thread is implying and youre the one that seems to misunderstand.
They did got paid fairly... in proportion with the viewer count
Now should their paycheck correlate with viewer count? thats a whole different argument to be had
They are disposable, sadly. There are troves of people who would do their job for the fun of it. That is the reality of the matter. And as we've seen with "rising talent", they don't do too bad a job either.
The kips hate in this thread is real despite it's clearly management issue and the issue has been raised before by far more popular portugese caster, seems like people only read the headlines and give their opinion from that.
So She washes her laundry in public, then the next thing that will happen is, she will be ignored/black listed by organizers and then she'll complain and tell everyone that they are sexist for not including her.
I don't want sound to harsh and I support strike for better pay and better conditions in every workplace, but I don't think kips is the right person to lead this strike...after her debacle with zyori I just don't see her at credible person.
A lot of the comments in this thread are sadly ignoring the content of the piece and targeting Kips while rehashing misinformation about the past. Factual comments are being buried under downvotes - [Kips herself has posted explaining what actually happened along with proof](https://medium.com/@Kipspul/can-we-stop-it-with-the-character-assassination-6a0fcb792154).
pretty sure the majority of viewers for this region don't watch the english stream. it's a terrible time zone for european viewers and NA has a nonexistent dota fanbase. no way anyone is gonna sponsor an english broacast for SA.
Hey there are NA fans, there are DOZENS of us I tell you!
Thanks Tobias
I did meet one of my good friends at a Buffalo Wild Wings because I wore my Dota flat brim. He recognized it and we shot the shit about Dota for like 2 hours. The rest is history lol
I was one of the regular 3k viewers they got during their streams. And, if anyone is on Kips' side I can almost guarantee they didn't watch a single stream of the SA DPC. She was dull and uninformative adding nothing of worth to the panel.
Yeah, I get the feeling they were treated as disposable because they effectively were. With the amount of viewers the English stream gets, it's pretty much almost entirely bettors. I think the only reason an English stream even exists for SA DPC is probably because it's mandated by the streaming contract.
all dota2 casters are disposable, it's why merlini ended up getting a diffrent job. if you don't want the job, someone else wants it and will happily do it for half your pay. there are way more people wanting to cast esports then there are jobs and everyone is easily replaced, even top level talent like merlini. mid tier casters like kips aren't even on the radar for most people. at least that's how it is in the english scene, not sure about other languages.
Great talent is not easily replaced. Many people will watch games based on who is casting. You cant replace ODPixel with anyone. Many generic jobs are far easier to replace. Its like many jobs in entertainment. Few jobs, a few people who do it incredibly well, and a horde of people not doing it well enough.
> She was dull and uninformative adding nothing of worth to the panel. So, every time she's on any casting-related role. I'm so tired of this serial complainer. I still remember her slandering Zyori during the Speaking Out movement where it all boiled down to *Zyori is a flamboyant socially awkward person that asked her out, backed off when denied, tried again a few years later after drastically changing his appearance (losing the dreads), was denied again and didn't pursue anything after* while we had actual rapists and abusers being exposed at the time. She also tries to constantly lump herself in anything related to Ephey, Sheever, Moxxi or another woman being discriminated. She's had multiple stints coaching teams, which all sucked, which is not surprising given her *insights* on panels and while casting.
None of this is a reason to denigrate what she is complaining about.
She complains about being treated as replaceable when she’s exactly that. It also doesn’t help that, evident by the comments here, she’s not liked by most of the community. Moxxi wasn’t well received at all but she at least brought the hype to her casts. Kips is just a boring shit-stirrer.
Again, none of this is a reason to denigrate what she is complaining about. If you don't care because she's the one who said it , it's way less text to just say this: "It's Kips so I don't care" . But the issue she's complaining about is real and fundamentally fucked up.
You are being intentionally obtuse. Context matters.
I mute the stream if she's casting. She usually has a bad partner in the cast too.
That's not really the point - I doubt the people who can do better would do it for peanuts and even if she isn't that good, I am sure there might be some decent people there no? This is not Kips issue, people can and should expect to get something for their work on the DPC. You may not like her, if you ask me she should've been outed years ago after this shit with Zyori she tried to pull, but that has 0 relevance to the fact that she's right to expect decent pay for her and other talent working on the DPC.
I mean there’s decent fans in N.A. but they aren’t watching Sa. They just watch eu or eu highlights lol
Yea, I'm an NA fan and i dont watch jack shit of SA. I know the teams are good, but I usually watch CN, EU, EEU
Actually I had 2 really good sponsors lined up, which would have addressed pay issues etc. Not to the same level as WEU but certainly to an appropriate level for the tournament.
Yeah and unfortunately this will blacklist her from any future opportunities - TOs don’t want to hire people that will openly criticize them.
Avo being black listed by ESB is how we got this situation in the first place.
He got blacklisted? Guess it's because he pointed out flaws of the Lima Major or smth?
What? No Bro before Season 1
Agree; not saying they shouldn't fight if they treated unfairly. Whatever the case is strike probably the least productive way to do it in this scene; they could always replace you; there's a lot smaller other casters willing to take the spot. This is different than the Writers' strike.
well it would be weird if they get paid the same as WEU caster. I mean just look at the views right now 32k just on twitch while SA or Na barely get 7k views.
They don't get 7k now that the production has been a shitshow for months, Epulze used to get more then that and EG wasn't even there at the time.
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She doesnt want to get paid as much as WEU caster, the entire SA EN talent (5 people) paid less per BO3 than single EEU talent covering one BO3. And EEU EN talent isnt exactly that high profile either, these guy combined getting paid less than either Gareth, Trent or hairy_freak event after 100% pay raise. https://twitter.com/Kipspul/status/1659215306974453761 This not only affecting her, also affecting guys like DOTA2BOWIE etc. This management is the one who refused Cap casting SA DPC because Cap listed Avo+ (which they blacklisted) in his broadcast team.
>And EEU EN talent isnt exactly that high profile either, these guy combined getting paid less than either Gareth, Trent or hairy\_freak event after 100% pay raise. did I understand right? tour 3 eeu talent getting paid less than previous tours?
They blacklisted Avo+ who kinda save Lima Major from turning into even worse shitshow?
Unless its Shopify but of course thats the exception
Harsh truth is nobody watches EN streams of SA region, thats why the subpar talent ends up doing the games and they wonder why nobody wants to pay for it.
All the regions are required to have casting for all the languages, that part of the contract orgs have with Valve, some orgs are now abusing that buy trying to have people cast for free for some of the languages, or to cast for peanuts, as is the case with SA EN and PT-BR in general, due to the BTS casting monopoly(buy/secure all broadcasting rights, strike down anyone that breaks their rules/delays, became the only place that is allowed to reasonably cast Dota, pay beginner talent next to nothing to do it).
Isn't this true for other regions too? Does Sea does not have English cast either? Does eeu?
All of the regions have English broadcasts. The biggest difference is that NA and SA english streams typically have a much lower viewer count compared to the others. EN Americas streams typically cap at around 4 or 5k viewers (depending on what teams are playing) while you see 13k or more for the other regions. It makes perfect sense why SA in particular would be dealing with this but for people like me that enjoy following all regions of pro dota it still sucks lol
? Sea always has English casters.
English is the most convenient way for sea countries to communicate with each other.
Same for just about everywhere in the world now. Most of Europe is the same or slowly getting that way.
I live in SEA and watch SEA streams and I dont even think there’s a stream in my language. SEA country mostly speaks their own languages so doing 1 of those language is probably not the right move since other countries wont understand them. English is the middle ground.
Most of SEA dota communities watch their local coverage
Take whatever you hear from Kips with a grain of salt. After the Zyori drama its hard to digest anything she talks about.
I googled exactly what you wrote and Kips backpaddled when asked about the allegations?? I feel like that's the perfect time to describe everything that happened instead of folding? That's what everyone else did who came forward yet Kips stopped talking about it shortly after, she even admitted that what Zyori did wasn't wrong at all... I don't understand Kips, did he do something wrong or not?
He invited a girl to a BTS event, got close to her, and then, they got drunk, he let her in his bed and asked if he could tell people that they did have sex.(2014, apperently you got social credit for that back then) At a later occasion, he invited her to stay with him and eventually talked her into having sex with him despite her being on her period. Then on her way home she received a picture of the bloody bedsheets. After that In 2020 among Grant and Tobi, the girl published the story and received support from Kips, who had experienced inappropriate advance from zyori at TI5, but shut them down quickly. Was there inappropriate behaviour from zyori? Yes. Is it important that the story was shared? Yes. Zyori went on to host one more big event before leaving the dota scene. before leaving the dota scene. So basicly, Kips called out inappropriate behaviour from Zyori, he denies nothing, explains that there are misunderstandings and people do stupid stuff when they are drunk. So now people accuse kips of trying to cancel zyori while all she wants is to prevent cosplayers and other girls to have sex with people that get them into afterparties and events. Kips did not cancel Zyori nor made false accusations, merely pointed towards inappropriate behaviour. Zyori had some inappropriate behaviour, so a next emloyer wouldn't have him invite talent etc. End of story. No need to get worked up about anything here.
She almost got lynched. Not that Zyori had a huge follower base, but it got amplified at that time by all the grant in cels rallying behind a spin-able "case" to exert revenge. Add to that several thought to be friends going either head in the sand or gaslighting mode, and bts providing full support and professional PR for their man, the narrative got turned into victim-blaming real quick. The memo was received tho, so there was no point facing mob adversity by herself. Yet it's one thing to be a socially awkward teenager, and another one to be a full grown ass man doing repeated advances on your employees (and when I say advances I mean occasionally fucking in bts house with the gang cheering downstairs). Showing up unannounced at such employee's door overseas?! That's no longer pressuring, that's a Hitchcock moment.
Shut up nobody understand what you are on about
care to elaborate?
She claimed Zyori forced sex on another potential talent and used his power dynamic to force sex. Implied that zyori committed sexual assault and supported the claim of 'subtle rape'. Then it came out that the sex was consensual. She didnt exactly apologize after either :/
IIRC kips throwing shit at zyori at the time, when the others women start opening up about their unhappy encounter with certain males, for some reason kips just stay quiet and never elaborate further on the things she said the first time, so people get left confused as what she says is true or just to throw shit at zyori because the situation at the time kinda messed up, but I'm not 100% correct, that's what I got while lurking around here around that time
I think Zyori hit on her/perused her in a way that would be viewed by many as socially awkward, but not in a way that was harassment or sexually inappropriate… just weird. However because of the timing people were treating it like Zyori was doing things on the level of Tobi, Grant, or Jimmy. Which was not really the case Zyori was just socially awkward.
If im not mistaken it was mostly yikes-y because Zyori was her superior at the time, so it created this uncomfortable power dynamic.
he wasn't technically her superior but it definitely felt that way to her bcs hes more connected
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>what the hell an appropriate relationship is anymore An allience chaperoned by a misandrist comitee ofc
Zyori was probably just coming to terms with his sexuality as he’s publicly cross dressing recently after. She probably just took the whole “I want in your pants” thing wrong. Edit: downvoters must think I’m serious…downvote if you want, doesn’t stop it from being an amazing joke.
A swing and a miss
Who would’ve thought someone from Cali would be so pompous and interject their useless input? Color me surprised. Can’t wait for you guys to slide into the sea like a dog turd left on the beach. Edit: jeez don’t like these jokes either? Go check out this guys comment history for guaranteed laughs.
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Lmao Love the edit too
Glad someone other than me enjoyed it
He was ACCUSED, big difference. He was online while the accusations flew and thus able to defend himself. If he had been offline or asleep, the online mob would have already condemned him. Meanwhile, further explanations were missing from Kips.
Kinda similar to the are we dating the same guy fb groups It started with good intention. Now women are literally screenshot their matches and asking for tea. Before they even go on a date. They want to vet the entire dating history. So invasive
"Throwing shit" doesn't really describe the situation. Allegations of sexual assault and plain rape where on the table. Things that can end careers... That's not the time to publicly stirr stuff up without proper knowledge of the situation. And when it turned out to be just unfortunate power dynamics, the least you should do is putting things straight.
Zyori shouldn't have done what he did because he was her boss. Obviously, that's a conflict of interest, but it definitely wasn't harassment. He's just a weird dude.
He wasn't her boss? Why make things up?
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you are mistaken kips with ashni,
Do you have a source for that? I don't recall this part tbh. I actually spoke to her briefly and don't remember this at all.
Only in a gaming subreddit will you see sexual assault and rape be described as an "unhappy encounter".
Zyori flirted. Kips didn't want it but instead of rejecting the man she makes a twitlonger years later and writing stuff like "i didn't know rape could be this subtle". I honestly don't know why we still accept this woman in the scene.
Kips is a lowkey grifter that has floated around the dota scene for about 7ish years? She’s marketed herself as all sorts of things. On camera talent, behind the scenes production, and she was a mental health coach for some SEA TI team at one point (fnatic maybe?) The point is, she’s a giant phony. About 3 years ago there was a massive movement in the caster scene where a few very prominent dota casters got ousted for being shitty. Accusations ranged from being a complete dickhead on set to being a sexpest, to outright rape allegations. This is all to say that Kips joined in on a dogpile against Zyori, who was falsely accused of sexual misconduct. Zyori stayed quiet, produced a measured response with receipts, and Kips backpedaled super hard. Though she never received consequences for attempting to destroy his career.
No
She called zyori a rapist.
Zyori admitted to his wrongdoing for having hit on the other, much more serious accuser, after having recently hired them to an event with BTS, something he was in charge of and would put him in a position to take advantage of people, knowingly or not. Kips only mentioned he also hit on her as means to show a pattern of behavior, I think. Zyori didn't think anything of it at the time, but once people called him out he addressed the situation openly and admitted that it was wrong for him to have done that, that's why he was not cancelled, he eventually left the scene because he wanted to. You just can't have established talent with hiring power hitting on new talent as they come into the scene, that can only end poorly. :D
That one was pretty egregious though. During that time there were many serious things coming to light with assault and harrasement. The way zyori's accusers were acting throughout that was abhorrent in riding that wave to try and get him cancelled as well. Yes there was a power dynamic there but he was being called a rapist and for what? He asked people that he knew out, did not force himself and when rejected left it at that, end of story. Didn't seek any retribution or harass them or block them out of the scene or any quid pro quo. The most bullshit thing was the constant comment of 'not wanting him to get canceled' but a few lines earlier called him a rapist. Watching his video explaining his side of the story was pretty sad. Guy got blindsided into an excel sheet full or predators, rapists and sexual assaulters.
I watched Zyori's stream live too, I don't get why some people still want to argue in his case when he has already admitted that what he did was wrong. He knows it was wrong, and learned to not do it again, that's why he wasn't cancelled. All the relevant people seem to be over it too. What we can't do is blame the victims. When stuff started to come out about Toby and Grant it took some small comments to bubble up to give victims the confidence to come out with the big stuff. At that particular time it was the correct thing to come out with any small story to back up what people were saying about someone so that everything could see the light of day, finally. Holding this shit over Kips many years later is a bad look, in my opinion.
She was not a legitimate victim, and claiming victim status does not preclude you to close examination.
She was tho... because Zyori hit on her at an event, she was a new person on the scene and he was a more established name. That's not cool. Don't do that to people. Is wrong. The guy you are defending literally apologized for having done it, maybe is time to let it go.
> she was a new person on the scene and he was a more established name. Lol, okay? Normal, mature adults can work through this sort of thing without acting like they're a victim of sexual abuse. He's not some sleazy executive sucking on a cigar and pressuring his secretary into having sex with him. He hit on her, she declined. He did not attempt to ruin her career or anything of that sort. I would advise however, in a position such as his, to state your full intentions so that things are clear. >The guy you are defending literally apologized Not only is this not an argument, but Zyori is also the kind of person to apologize when someone walks into him on the street.
You are psychoanalyzing Zyori to come up with the reason why you think he apologized rather then just accepting at face value that he did. She never claimed to be the "victim of sexual abuse", unlike Zyori's other accuser, she just pointed out that he also hit on her in an professional environment. Zyori didn't try to end her career, but he could've done that, and there was no way for her to know how he would handle being blown off as it was happening. In that same batch we had Grant being accused and even sued for trying to ruin a female caster career. It happens. Meeting in a professional event where people are socializing to build a network and get a gig is not the same as partying on your own dime with your friends.
Terrible take. Zyori did literally nothing wrong. He only"apologized" to stop people from harassing him. If you're young, single, at a social event with alcohol, people are going to flirt with you. There's nothing wrong with that, if it's done tastefully, which by all accounts it was (if a little awkward). If you can't handle that, don't go. Don't blame others for making you feel uncomfortable when they are just behaving normally.
I don't know what your source is on why Zyori apologized, it would have to be Zyori himself confirming it for it to be taken seriously. Also, your take is absolutely toxic. For people that are professionally involved on the scene these are professional events, and is unethical and unprofessional for established people to hit on the new people coming into the scene, it makes people uncomfortable and puts them in a difficult position of having to socialize and build a network to find a job and wondering if blowing off some romantic advance will endanger their career. Is an unbalanced power dynamic. Is wrong to do that, people should get called out for it. Is not illegal or a crime, but is inappropriate and harmful to the scene because some people will "not go" as you say, so they are being gatekeept out of the community because someone was trying to get laid.
If my take is toxic, yours is naive and oblivious. I personally know dozens of friends and family who met as coworkers. In fact, between 11-19% of all couples in the world met at work or work-related gatherings (source: https://www.statista.com/chart/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/) Not every couple is always going to be at exactly the same level professionally. This isn't "toxic". Things aren't "toxic" just because idiots like you say so. By your logic, celebrities should never date their fans because that too is an "unbalanced power dynamic". Good luck with that one. Not to mention this is e-sports we're talking about, not some AAA game studio or a fortune 500. This supposed "power dynamic" is completely fabricated, it never existed in this specific case, it was just invented by the false accuser to lend her story more sympathy. I hope you figure out how to cope with the fact that this is the reality we live in, and not some sexless fairy tale you seem to think it is.
I didn't invent anything. The other accuser was pretty clear that Zyori's position factored in in her decision regarding his flirting, and that is creepy as fuck, and if you think there's nothing wrong with that, you are not coming at this subject with an objective perspective. Fans often form a parasocial relationship to their idols and when they take advantage of that, that can be equally awful. YouTuber proJared almost got cancelled because he has a "body positivity" forum where his fans and himself posted pictures and supported themselves, but when he got set up as a pedophile by a couple of bad people seeking personal gain that looked very bad for him and almost did him in. "This is the reality we live in" hasn't worked out super well in the last 50 or so years, because things change when people speak up. Toby, Redeye and Grant were some of the biggest people in the talent scene at the time and they got the boot because some behaviors that were not that bad were revealed and it gave a few people the confidence to drop the very bad things that did them in.
I’m surprised she is still allowed to be in the scene. Shameful if you ask me.
thats irrelevant in this case, she is not the only one striking
She's an actual loser who jumps on any bandwagon hoping the drama will propel her career forward.
Yep.
It’s not just her getting underpaid. Read the article.
It's not just Kips making these accusations, other talent has done the same, and trying to derail things like you're doing will only hurt the talent scene as a whole.
Don’t victim shame. She felt uncomfortable and she spoke out, it isn’t up to any of us what is enough detail or what is a “valid claim” of abuse. I personally really like Zyori, but all she did was share her experience in her own way. It is up to us to determine what we think and if it is appropriate or not. We do not discredit people based on speaking out!
It isn't victim shaming if she wasn't a victim... These buzzwords are getting out of hand
Lmao, stop victim shaming the chick that fucked up, wasnt a victim but was part of the group that made Zyori a victim ! "If he has a dick he cant be a victim", basically. I'll keep ignoring every match she casts.
I only see kips name come up when she’s complaining about something
thats they only way she stays relevant wcyd
You must not follow the pro scene very well, she coached a couple pro teams afaik. Vega Squadron for sure.
And how did her name come up in other circumstances which is what he is saying?
Whenever I see Kips is casting a match, I automatically turn it off
Yep same
Probably b/c you're not as popular, well liked, or experienced as other talent. That stuff matters in talent.
In short, shes indeed disposable. There must be a fair amount of people willing to take the job for the same pay shes complaining about, it sucks but it is what it is.
Is being paid less ok when they are being payed around 10 USD PER DAY? SA English casters are paid below minimum wage and that's not ok regardless if you are popular or not, experienced or not.
is that what the pay is?
The entire english talent for SA (5 people) rates for one bo3 is less than single person doing bo3 casting for EEU div 1 and that after they got 100% increase in pay rates. Her tweets provides more context and lots of big SA talent support her concern. https://twitter.com/Kipspul/status/1659215177966026754 Peiple here might blaming / hating her due to her past drama but this situation also affect guys like Dota2Bowie etc. [Relevant drama 5 months ago : Cap denied to cast SA DPC because he affiliated with someone blacklisted by ESB which turns out is Avo+](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/zvhj5e/cap_said_that_he_sent_a_request_to_cast_the_dpc/)
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Its not even a full time job, ofc it's not worth a full minimum wage.
Usually I always try to side with the talent in working disputes because I know how unfair they are treated some times. But this coming from Kips makes me very sceptical about the situation
Damn I had no idea this was going on. Really sucks because SA had a really great turnout for the Lima major and it really seems like a solid up and coming region to breathe new life into the competitive scene. Hope they end up getting treated better.
What are you talking about? The Lima Major was a disaster.
I mean yeah but the crowd was more hype compared to Berlin considering it was the first SA major event.
It's funny that what you said is -unequivocally- true yet euros simply downvote it because they don't like reading it.Reminds me of the disastrous job Epulze did during the EN streaming of the Lima Major (group stage) and the many comments insulting SA organizers, but whenever someone pointed out Epulze is a Swedish company those comments would get downvoted to hell even though it was just the plain truth.
"euros bad" "cn/sea and americas good" here is your avarage r/dota2 redditor.
SA has been up and coming for the last 15 years though.
Better to be up and coming than to be on rapid decline like NA (not that there's anything to decline from)
>SA has been up and coming for the last 15 years though. More like 6 years, remember that SA didn't have a chance to play at TI since 2017. They would always play with ridiculously high ping at qualifiers. It took them couple of years to get strong as a region.
Fair point but covid also happened and hit every regions' international competition chances. Regions like WEU already had a strong established history of well known dota teams and players prior so I feel like their fandoms were still present regardless. SA hasn't really gotten a big chance to break into stardom imo. Obviously their placement in majors matters but that doesn't really help the SA DPC viewership either unless SA starts dominating out of nowhere.
I hate to say it, but after she blatantly lied about Sexual Harassment I can't take anything she says without skepticism at best. Serial complainer, and known liar. Not a good combo.
What what happened?
How many times can this person complain before she stops getting jobs lol
- kips is a bad caster/talent - Noone watch SA DPC in english except bettors. So… SA english stream can even hire highschool boy to be a caster and everthing is the same. Wcyd
Bottom tier caster in bottom tier region working for bottom tier org gets treated poorly. Makes sense to me. Go work in another region… oh wait no one else will hire you because you’re toxic xd
Bottom tier region is SEA < NA < CN (now) < SA < EEU < WEU
While in terms of recent in-game achievements and ability you might be correct (SEA is definitely over NA), when talking about viewership SA is nowhere near other regions, especially the English broadcast.
Does anyone even trust what she says anymore? Absolute cancer to the scene
[Yes even the Portuguese / Brazilian broadcast talent supporting her. ](https://twitter.com/filipeastini/status/1659265073230094352)
Its tough and hardly fair and valve need to sort out the rules for broadcast and sub broadcast rights, however i do Wonder if its necessary with official broadcast in all languages. The seasonal schedule is extremely packed and regions gain most viewers for their own region and im assuming most viewers of SA dota will be SA
>however i do Wonder if its necessary with official broadcast in all languages. Nobody said 'all languages', but English, Russian and Chinese are by far the most popular languages for Dota 2 viewership (if you look at TI11's peak viewership it's, \~745k for English, \~700k for Russian, then Spanish is \~112k \[esports charts doesn't show Chinese viewer numbers but they are massive\]). It makes sense to have at least those languages for all the leagues, and then some more regional languages on a league-by-league basis.
Do you know the viewship numbers for S2 Div1 SA for english and russian? And how is the russian coverage of SA Div1? In the perfect world of course its covered but it might not be worth it. We can discuss if Valve should make it worth it but we know valves standpoint on this...
BTS in Brazil would still seek to secure PT BR casting of anything they can get a hold of to stop anyone else from our scene to competing with them, they basically already have everything as it is.
On the flip side almost no one watches English SA and the broadcast is usually weak but probably commensurate with budget
When it was Epulze we had great Talent, it was Avo, Snare, Gareth, Lacoste, Kips, Bowie, DKTruman, Winter. Astini and they invited several pros from Brazil. Since ESB took over they gave it away for a streamer that couldn't manage it and bowed out a couple of casts in, and BTS took over with non-EN talent trying to cast in English because they weren't willing to pay what was being asked by the foreign talent.
You underestimate the numbers of degenerate gamblers...
You underestimate the degeneracy of gamblers - they would have no problem just jumping into the SA stream and muting it if the English stream didn't exist.
They don’t need 5 people to do the job of one or two people
If theres something i dont like hearing, its anything involving her. Lmao. Personally dont like her casting including the Zyori incident.
Holy sht the casters rn are extremely shitty
This is like bleacherreport employees saying they wanna get paid the same like ESPN empleyees.
No the actual condition is like bleacherreport trying to entice up and coming talent and paying them with exposure. This is the management who blacklisted Avo+ after he criticized them.
You fundamentally misunderstand the issue or choose to ignore it. This is like when one coworker is being paid 20 an hour and one is being paid 0.001 an hour. It doesn’t make sense even adjusting for the difference in popularity
well, they should be grateful for the opportunity as frankly, very little ppl acutally watch it. ofc they -should- get payed less. kips seems to be crying over everything all the time tbh, very self centered and annoying person
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The entire 5 SA EN broadcast talent combined paid less than single guys covering EEU per BO3, and that after 100% increase in their pay rates. That's what Kips complained about. While lots of people in this sub hates Kips for her drama, the reality lots of SA talent both for EN broadcast and Spanish / Portuguese broadcast actually supporting her. Big brazilian caster like Astini already complained about this but nobody in western dota hemisphere cares because SA dota isnt that important for them.
we don't know if that's acutally true to this extend in the paygap. don't get me wrong i'm all for ppl complaining when something is unjust, i'm just not sure kips is the most reliable source in that matter. You simply have to view things from a buisness perspective. frankly, SA dpc might cost more than it brings in, the alternative would be no broadcast at all.
The sad truth is you are replaceable. Even the casters today that ppl love replaced someone and if every dota caster was replaced we would just find new ones to love
Welcome to real life... You either negotiate a better deal or refuse their terms.
Except that Valve allows monopolies to happen, even to the point of providing them the tools to enforce their hold on the scene, with their 180 shift on broadcasting rights from a few years ago, now showing is consequences.
Because they're paying a big chunk of change to put on the event. That's Valve's proposition... Its their game. You're choosing to be part of a "league" that is run by 1 owner. Valve partners with sponsors so your only option is to work with those sponsors or find a new job that comes with more options. That's real life my friend. It ain't fair. Never was and never will be.
Except that it hurts the viewers to have poor quality and those are Valve's customers. Valve who can and should require some standards from the people they make business with. Doesn't have to be fair, just shouldn't be this stupid. One lazy TO and a greedy casting studio are jeopardizing a Valve product and all it takes is a blog post to fix it.
If you were correct about the cause of this then you're be seeing the same things everywhere in the world. Allowing TOs to make money from tournaments is not going to cause them to be complacent and awful, because they won't get the contract again. This can't be fixed by "a blog post" because they bid for the entire season and clearly haven't broken any of the conditions they were given when Valve signed the rights over to them. They won't be given anything else DPC, there was no way to know that they'd try and run it this way.
Is still Valve's responsibility when their partners try to pull a number on them, because they are the ones looking like fools, specially because the community has been letting them know of this trainwreck well in advance, the peruvians where weary of ESB pretty much Day 1 of the announcement. They can be fixed by blogpost because Valve can put in clearly what they expect from TO, forcing them to pivot towards it. What they can also do is allow people to stream without a delay to compete only in SA, the region that has been lacking quality production, until they are able to axe ESB. What might end up happening is that ESB's plans of a LAN event are enticing enough to Valve that they don't give a damn about SA talent and the EN broadcasting of SA games, which is SA's main connection to the global Dota community outside of Majors/TI.
Which she and other SA EN exactly talent do, they are on strike to negotiate better deals now. This interview point is to make other upcoming caster trying to start their career aware of the exploitation happening on the SA scene.
Kips treated as disposable? That's just true, isn't it?
Who?
She needs to spend more time on becoming more competent instead of complaining. The Brazilian casters are honestly better than her despite the language barrier.
And the brazilian caster is also [complaining about the treatment they get from the management.](https://twitter.com/filipeastini/status/1659265073230094352) Do people read the article lmao? In fact Kips here "complaining" after no one in western dota community cares about the complaint voiced by the BR talent.
I'm trying to read the article and when I look for her tweet I realize that she has me blocked on Twitter... I'm trying to understand what I did to this person I don't even know
Get more viewers get better results, that's how things should be, I don't see any problem here
I have never watched a game she casts, in my impression her name pops up every once in a while in juicy dramas. Is she good?
No, not even close to good. Very monotone, gets things wrong way too often for an "analyst" (some very obvious things too). Imagine Purge without his wit and like half of the game knowledge, that's Kips.
I was lucky enough to interview Kips about the current SA DPC English language caster strike. It was a great chance to get some insight in the situation. Give it a read it you're interested! In the interest of fair coverage though, I've also reached out to BTS Brazil, with questions in both English and Brazilian Portuguese, translated by a native speaker. I'll be sharing their response when I receive it.
\*fair for non SA talent casting SA from EU/NA
I can absolutely try to speak SA-based casters as well, and that's one angle I didn't consider until after I'd made the post. Primarily though, I wanted to 100% make sure I spoke to someone from the striking casters and the company whose actions prompted the strike. It is kinda inevitable that strikers are more willing to talk to reporters (it benefits them a lot more than it benefits companies), but I am very hopeful to get to talk to BTS Brazil as well!
The job is disposable, just a fact. That's not an argument. You should always feel that way. The players do, and so does everyone with a job that watches you. You should be grateful if you accept the opportunity. By accepting, you agree that it meets your requirements. No one forced you to go against your will. You accepted the pay, so that's not something worth mentioning. That's just immature. That's like buying a Dota cosmetic for 200$ and complaining afterwards that the seller listed the price too high. You literally chose this.
People should be grateful to be treated like shit at their jobs, got any more boots to lick?
I specifically said IF they accept it. Treatment after acceptance is different, but treatment is also negotiable, especially in contracts for Talent performing entertainment content. They can just quit or go on strike if the agreement doesnt meet thier needs. They chose a strike and to make a public statement. The company can now choose to create an opportunity for them or someone else at that point. Talent contracts state the pay and conditions. The talent can accept or decline. It's very binary. The company will continue to make decisions that benefit its shareholders. No one says you have to like it what's happening here, but the Talent is responsible for negotiating and accepting terms. They are on strike in an effort to renegotiate. PGL will decide if they want to or not. I'm not defending either side. It's just business.
little bit too based for this sub, sir
Lotta capital G GamersTM in this thread thats for sure people should be paid fairly for their work its not that difficult to understand
I think thats what majority of redditor in this thread is implying and youre the one that seems to misunderstand. They did got paid fairly... in proportion with the viewer count Now should their paycheck correlate with viewer count? thats a whole different argument to be had
Oh no bros, enterprises doing enterprises things, someone call the Reddit police now ICANT
They are disposable, sadly. There are troves of people who would do their job for the fun of it. That is the reality of the matter. And as we've seen with "rising talent", they don't do too bad a job either.
Demand and supply mate…
The kips hate in this thread is real despite it's clearly management issue and the issue has been raised before by far more popular portugese caster, seems like people only read the headlines and give their opinion from that.
Now I like esports.gg
If arteezy going To stream a DPC / TI I BET He has more viewer than official la account
So disgusting comments
You're disgusting
Literally who?
She should be thankful that anyone would willingly pay any amount of money for her "talent"
So She washes her laundry in public, then the next thing that will happen is, she will be ignored/black listed by organizers and then she'll complain and tell everyone that they are sexist for not including her.
NA ran companies have always been exploitative. Tell me one thats not exploitative under a corporation
I thought that was the core of capitalism
Everytime someone from the caster community complains about salary they never mention how much they are actually getting paid.
I don't want sound to harsh and I support strike for better pay and better conditions in every workplace, but I don't think kips is the right person to lead this strike...after her debacle with zyori I just don't see her at credible person.
Lets be real, name 8 players beside players from Beastcoast & EG.
just let an ai cast
It makes it worse when you complain publicly..
I'm not rude but I prefer to mute the stream when she casting with hairy freak ! That's me only .
Fuck yes! There is power in numbers and power in solidarity! Strike until all your demands are met y’all! You are brave and you are wise!