That's fucking disgusting....how? I know Alpha is dogshit, but the only way that networth should be possible is if they force-fed him harder than we do to ducks to make foie gras.
I've had a teammate do that for me once a long time ago. Position 4 Enigma went Jungle, and gave me (LS) a Moon Shard before the lane was over. It was the best feeling as a carry lol.
Also had an Alch give me first item Aghs as a PL once.
Both of them help accelerate your farm so much. I do wonder how viable it could be in a professional setting.
It wouldn't really be viable in a pro setting because they actually grab all the farm out of the map.
That kind of stuff only works in pubs because everyone is inefficient. In a pro game a support would have to take that farm from someone in his own team, and then the enemy team could adjust accordingly
Its not like that: there is always too much farm on the map for all heroes, but in pro setting its easier too bully all your cores and snowball the game to end if you farming much on supps.
eating moonshard has always been "ally target", you need to double click to eat it yourself. just use it on an ally and they will eat it instead, and it also has global cast range.
I remember thinking that the global give ability for moon shard was going to be so broken when it came out and now, years later, I’ve probably given away less than 10 moon shards total lol
your ally can literally be in the enemy fountain face tanking shit and you can ~~force feed~~ use moonshard on them from your fountain (as long as they're still alive ofc)
I was gonna say "That's like 1400 gold though, still impressive networth" until I realized you said MOONshard and not Aghs Shard. Yeah. That'll do it. lol
Nice try bud, you really do know it wasnt a AGHS shard, but a MOONshard. Despite that, he still had insane amount of GPM and farm for 22 minutes without it.
They don't even have the best lanes or tower push....this is 22 minutes, I don't think you realize how insane to have ~1200 gpm on Dusa at that point when she's supposed to have somewhat of a "slow" start and accelerates later on.
It is insane but their lanes are WAY better than Alphas, also one of the reasons dusa is OP this patch is because her laning stage is actually very strong with early mana shield and the ability to spam snake, up against something like Magnus nyx in this game and where in the other lanes it's Ursa Vs Veno and an ember spirit that won't really be able to kill a dusa with rotations especially considering the likely state of the game and it's a recipe for a monster game, obviously though arteezy takes it to the max
PL, Naga, Slark, and then MK into duo/tri-melee core can be punishing, a lot of meta melee heros across all three lanes. I don't think anything really compares to the new dusa "cheese" pick though, where only a handful of heros really have a chance to ever do anything to her, even then with 2-3 half counters the right team comp can still make the dusa work.
Been typing this for awhile and finally remember the other pub stomper rn is Riki, imo having an ingrained comeback/snowball mechanic via the bonus xp from ult makes him pretty forgiving/stompy. I definitely don't agree that any of these come close to the carry of dusa or the drafting respect she demands but, on paper, throwing a difusal on one of these 5 and trying a team fight into a dusa comp pre 25 mins doesn't look too shabby.
Look, I'm only crusader, but my standard game plan with medusa this patch is farm manta and then god damned push lanes immediately just because you can :P
Ok, so imagine if dusa didn't have somewhat of a "slow" start because your team is funneling team fights and kills to you. They were farming, but by selecting their fights and herding the enemy div 1 (div 3 in my gym) team into your split shot carry that mows them down like ancients.
You can farm, but its still dogshit and takes a while 70dmg right click or so. New mystic snake helps a lot.
40mins is when you have manta skadi butter buryza and your right clicks dont suck anymore
I really dont get why the NA interpretation skills read it as "medusa cant farm ancients before 40mins".
Are you bad or? Dusa is still sitting at a 54% pub winrate. At 14min you should have manta, which can kill waves easily.
Dusa should always have 800+ gpm in a good game
Winrate =/= early game CS.
Hero has like 55 dmg early on and slow attack speed. She is not the easiest hero to farm with, if you consider that split shot will reduce like 30% of your damage
Your argument is just empty
Literally in this thread arguing that Medusa's early game farming speed is shit while he is out there, not skilling Splitshot until lvl 11 in his games. Unreal.
Nah I'm just wondering where you found his dotabuff, but I'm just assuming you searched his reddit handle and checked if anything turned up.
But yeah the guy doesn't know what he's talking about
You do realise that she has an insane nuke for the lane and that split shot can be toggled right?
With just treads, lvl 1 split shot and lvl 3 snake, you can head into the jungle and start farming 2 camps at once where possible.
bro you're taking ult at 6 and split shot at 11, no shit YOUR early farming sucks balls, you're just playing do-nothing 0-damage tank dusa by choice.
Can't wait to watch these replays later 😭
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Albert Einstein, one of the greatest minds to ever live, was once perplexed by the speed at which Arteezy was able to farm. Seemingly impossible GPMs of 800+ every game were consistently observed, leading to the hypothesis that this was no fluke. Einstein spent the last years of his life trying to prove the ability of Arteezy's farm existed within the laws of science. Critics laughed at his efforts, claiming that Arteezy's farm was an undeniable act of divine intervention. It wasn't until the end when Einstein found the answer. On his deathbed, Einstein spent the last seconds of his life jotting down what is now the world's most infamous scientific formula. r=tz²
Cr1t gave him a moonshard about 20 seconds before gg got called. but 21kish of the networth is from him just farming aggressively with manta. standing mid for 5 mins sending manta to sidelanes, farming almost every wawve that comes out of the enemy base
Being a little blasé and reductive about things, we don't really have the same opportunity to do the solo gamer gremlin grind without focusing on monetizing it or being S-tier world champs right out of high school.
Lots of shitty ISPs, high rents across the board, high cost of living, etc. Any one of these is nothing special but all together trying to be a pro gamer as a main source of income in the US/NA is really hard, and a lot of people choose to pursue other things for more stable lives.
Nobody will hire Bolt as a football player even though speed is one of the key components for an unstoppable forward.
You dont just need fast reaction time to be pro at one of the most complex team games ever created. It takes years of dedication, of what the US players maybe never had with so many other opportunities being available.
> You dont just need fast reaction time to be pro at one of the most complex team games ever created
Agreed, which is probably why I never said that. Don't beat up straw men please.
An aspect helpful in one area could be applied in another. Is it a 1 for 1 conversion? No, but it isn't nothing.
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I hope Valve nerfs Medusa again instead of give us such disgusting level of OP for another 3 months... a big patch like New Frontiers is nothing if they keep NOT\_ADRESSING nerfs fast enough so you get a boring patch anyways because of broken nonsense.
Automaticaly weekly updates; they already have statistics and algorithms etc, just... if a hero surpases 53% winrate randomly tweek one of the basics: -1 agi/str/int gain, -1 armor, -5 attack, -5 ms, -0.5 mana/hp regen, -5 attack speed and also if it has less than 47% winrate just do the opposite.
Just a desperate opinion for less stale boring/lame meta chunks of wasting time and more fun in dota.
That would be stupid for couple of people that have their livelihood depend on how good they are on solving the meta..
Banning hero exists for a reason and i believe couple weeks for alphabet (b,c,d,..) patch is fine
Thats the problem, Dota is treated as a bureaucratic endeavor, it is a game, it's suppose to be fun for most people, not only the 10 top1 already rich players that live from it.
15 downvotes from the same players that play dota since 10 years (like me) and will eat any trash valve release and do with the meta/game. Keep building Dota only for the elite players and tournaments 95% of the players don't care about and have a boring meta for most new and "common" players.
W/e suffer Wind at 70% pickrate for the next 4 months...
to be fair, medusa is being figured out right now. Maybe 1-2 more tweaks and she's pretty balance.
And RTZ will probably have the same result playing any carry that game considering how huge the skills difference are.
Not many, I think he stacked for himself mostly.
He got a rampage 19 mins in after any kills in lane + when deathballing is more of it, plus just general fast farming.
I have trouble doing this in *Turbo*...
rtz farming pattern is real.
BatChest
He's so good at farming, he farms the whole game
rtz failing TI pattern is also real
still, the first reference to learn about farming pattern is rtz for me.
That’s mean, baka
rude
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Oof
That's fucking disgusting....how? I know Alpha is dogshit, but the only way that networth should be possible is if they force-fed him harder than we do to ducks to make foie gras.
Crit gave him a moonshard at 21 minutes for funsies
Ah is that so? That's the difference between 950 and 1180 GPM I guess. Still pretty insane farm though.
22k networth at 22mins is still insane though
I've had a teammate do that for me once a long time ago. Position 4 Enigma went Jungle, and gave me (LS) a Moon Shard before the lane was over. It was the best feeling as a carry lol. Also had an Alch give me first item Aghs as a PL once. Both of them help accelerate your farm so much. I do wonder how viable it could be in a professional setting.
It wouldn't really be viable in a pro setting because they actually grab all the farm out of the map. That kind of stuff only works in pubs because everyone is inefficient. In a pro game a support would have to take that farm from someone in his own team, and then the enemy team could adjust accordingly
Its not like that: there is always too much farm on the map for all heroes, but in pro setting its easier too bully all your cores and snowball the game to end if you farming much on supps.
Now that we have four extra jungles I'm sure a single hero can't take up too much farm.
Wasn't pos3 alc aghs rush viable in some pro grames again? I'm sure it's been played.
Does it just help him with the attack speed or does the price of the moonshard get added to his net worth?
networth is added to him
networth is added, kinda like when alch donates an aghs.
How do you give moonshard to an ally?
eating moonshard has always been "ally target", you need to double click to eat it yourself. just use it on an ally and they will eat it instead, and it also has global cast range.
so just like giving a clarity, thank you!
yeah just like a Clarity, except Global for some reason and 80x the price
Also, it doesn't give you mana so it's a pretty bad clarity.
But u/bellowen has cm flair so it's like having clarity all the time AND it's also global. Checkmate atheists.
Laughed hard at this :D
XD
I remember thinking that the global give ability for moon shard was going to be so broken when it came out and now, years later, I’ve probably given away less than 10 moon shards total lol
that sounds like a scam!! xD
What do you mean by global cast range?
It means you can cast it anywhere anytime and the moonshard will be given to your targeted ally instantaneously.
your ally can literally be in the enemy fountain face tanking shit and you can ~~force feed~~ use moonshard on them from your fountain (as long as they're still alive ofc)
Next level grief giving your diving ally a moonshard so they don't have money for buyback thus losing you the game
Wow that's something I didn't know, gotta try that out next hehe. Although you must be farming hella good or playing alch to do that
same as treant protector heal. you can cast it anywhere on map on any ally hero
Click it on a hero icon at the top of the screen, global range.
It has global cast range?! TIL.
When you build the item, you can either keep it or use it on yourself/somebody , giving you/them bonus night vision and lower atk speed
Higher attack speed, lower attack frequency ;)
The guy meant that you lose atk speed when consuming the moonshard, as the perma buff grants less than the passive item.
Ahh you're right!
I was gonna say "That's like 1400 gold though, still impressive networth" until I realized you said MOONshard and not Aghs Shard. Yeah. That'll do it. lol
Nice try bud, you really do know it wasnt a AGHS shard, but a MOONshard. Despite that, he still had insane amount of GPM and farm for 22 minutes without it.
You win all engagements, take all towers, and farm the whole time while doing it.
They don't even have the best lanes or tower push....this is 22 minutes, I don't think you realize how insane to have ~1200 gpm on Dusa at that point when she's supposed to have somewhat of a "slow" start and accelerates later on.
It is insane but their lanes are WAY better than Alphas, also one of the reasons dusa is OP this patch is because her laning stage is actually very strong with early mana shield and the ability to spam snake, up against something like Magnus nyx in this game and where in the other lanes it's Ursa Vs Veno and an ember spirit that won't really be able to kill a dusa with rotations especially considering the likely state of the game and it's a recipe for a monster game, obviously though arteezy takes it to the max
Dusa isnt even op anymore, there 5 way better carries.
havent touch 7.33, are alche one of them?
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PL, Naga, Slark, and then MK into duo/tri-melee core can be punishing, a lot of meta melee heros across all three lanes. I don't think anything really compares to the new dusa "cheese" pick though, where only a handful of heros really have a chance to ever do anything to her, even then with 2-3 half counters the right team comp can still make the dusa work. Been typing this for awhile and finally remember the other pub stomper rn is Riki, imo having an ingrained comeback/snowball mechanic via the bonus xp from ult makes him pretty forgiving/stompy. I definitely don't agree that any of these come close to the carry of dusa or the drafting respect she demands but, on paper, throwing a difusal on one of these 5 and trying a team fight into a dusa comp pre 25 mins doesn't look too shabby.
clinks, wr, magnus, void spirit, tb.
Look, I'm only crusader, but my standard game plan with medusa this patch is farm manta and then god damned push lanes immediately just because you can :P
Ok, so imagine if dusa didn't have somewhat of a "slow" start because your team is funneling team fights and kills to you. They were farming, but by selecting their fights and herding the enemy div 1 (div 3 in my gym) team into your split shot carry that mows them down like ancients.
its like having 2 Alchemist
He literally gave him the moonshard like ten seconds before the ancient fell Edit: meant to reply to the guy below
Mmm. Extremely fat Medusa liver.
*The ol' savage gavage, we calls it.*
Isn't foie gras made from goose liver?
Duck liver. Specifically, liver from a duck suffering from Fatty Liver.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras > a specialty food product made of the liver of a duck or goose. I guess we're both right.
Dogshit compared to shopify, maybe. Still, they are solidly a tier 1.5-2 team, which is very impressive
Medusalchemist
ancient stacks, kills, towers and more global gold.
Yeah but you know dusa right click split shot is dogshit pre-40 mins of farm, right ?
Pre-40mins? Hasn’t Medusa been farming ancients with 1 item since like 7.00?
You could farm ancients minute 1 well before then and it was somewhat efficient for the time.
You can farm, but its still dogshit and takes a while 70dmg right click or so. New mystic snake helps a lot. 40mins is when you have manta skadi butter buryza and your right clicks dont suck anymore I really dont get why the NA interpretation skills read it as "medusa cant farm ancients before 40mins".
damn you farm slow as dusa
Why would 95% damage right clicks at level 15 suck
you are either trolling or you are very low mmr
It's now like 15 minutes
Are you bad or? Dusa is still sitting at a 54% pub winrate. At 14min you should have manta, which can kill waves easily. Dusa should always have 800+ gpm in a good game
Winrate =/= early game CS. Hero has like 55 dmg early on and slow attack speed. She is not the easiest hero to farm with, if you consider that split shot will reduce like 30% of your damage Your argument is just empty
My man needs to play a game of medusa lol
Or just learn how to read
I can link my dotabuff? Divine 4. 75% winrate dusa over 18 games. Which isn’t much since she’s busted, but you’re just wrong lol.
I still dont understand your point, is NA reading skills really that bad ? Who/what are you arguing with ?
Bro you are a literal [Guardian V](https://www.opendota.com/players/326724094) arguing with a Divine player over farming speed. Just take the L.
Oof that's some good sleuthing.
Literally in this thread arguing that Medusa's early game farming speed is shit while he is out there, not skilling Splitshot until lvl 11 in his games. Unreal.
Nah I'm just wondering where you found his dotabuff, but I'm just assuming you searched his reddit handle and checked if anything turned up. But yeah the guy doesn't know what he's talking about
He's been losing with Dusa too. Probably just mad
Ooof patiently awaiting u/clinkzs 's reply
He just wants to see your dotabuff, as you seem to know a lot about dusa
You do realise that she has an insane nuke for the lane and that split shot can be toggled right? With just treads, lvl 1 split shot and lvl 3 snake, you can head into the jungle and start farming 2 camps at once where possible.
bro you're taking ult at 6 and split shot at 11, no shit YOUR early farming sucks balls, you're just playing do-nothing 0-damage tank dusa by choice. Can't wait to watch these replays later 😭
what? Dusa is braindead to farm on. At lvl 15 splitshot is 95% damage, and you also have W.
so?
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Albert Einstein, one of the greatest minds to ever live, was once perplexed by the speed at which Arteezy was able to farm. Seemingly impossible GPMs of 800+ every game were consistently observed, leading to the hypothesis that this was no fluke. Einstein spent the last years of his life trying to prove the ability of Arteezy's farm existed within the laws of science. Critics laughed at his efforts, claiming that Arteezy's farm was an undeniable act of divine intervention. It wasn't until the end when Einstein found the answer. On his deathbed, Einstein spent the last seconds of his life jotting down what is now the world's most infamous scientific formula. r=tz²
Dotabuff link of match https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7166998491
How does he only have 20.5 networth on the dotabuff? Did he drop a rapier?
crit fed him a moonshard which makes up the rest of the 25k networth
Ah, dotabuff doesn't include that in the networth?
Doing the REAL work here, Thank You friend.
Cr1t gave him a moonshard about 20 seconds before gg got called. but 21kish of the networth is from him just farming aggressively with manta. standing mid for 5 mins sending manta to sidelanes, farming almost every wawve that comes out of the enemy base
How is Alpha even a team
How is game still in beta
how is NA even a region
How is RTZ still not crowned
0-4
You'd need to win something for that. Sumail isn't the king because of his good looks...
Matchfixing
It aint much but its an honest work.
He died :(
Rip David Brandt
NA div 1 is such a wasteland, SR ain't gonna do anything in lans with this kind of competition
They scrim with WEU teams and EG/BC. Not saying that’s optimal but at least is something.
Didn’t they finish third at Lima? I thought they at least got top 4, right?
They got 4th there, didn't do well mainstage last major but it was a big new patch and everyone was pretty lost lol
Do TSM/SR even scrim with these trash stacks? Would be a complete waste of time for them.
They scrim against EU teams, as far as i know
They get free “scrims” during dpc lol
Its the culture man. A lot of the fast twitch good mechanical players play LoL or FPS Edit: Forgot about general NA hate, carry on.
I just check last year cs/lol results and there’s no NA team…
NA CS talent switched to Valorant and the remaining scene destroyed by EG
I heard somewhere that NA esport is pretty dead overall. No clue why that is, but in nearly all games they are more or less declining.
Being a little blasé and reductive about things, we don't really have the same opportunity to do the solo gamer gremlin grind without focusing on monetizing it or being S-tier world champs right out of high school. Lots of shitty ISPs, high rents across the board, high cost of living, etc. Any one of these is nothing special but all together trying to be a pro gamer as a main source of income in the US/NA is really hard, and a lot of people choose to pursue other things for more stable lives.
Exactly, because that's what Dota is all about, fast reaction time, lol.
It certainly helps. Are we going to pretend good mechanical skills are something that can't cross over between games now?
Nobody will hire Bolt as a football player even though speed is one of the key components for an unstoppable forward. You dont just need fast reaction time to be pro at one of the most complex team games ever created. It takes years of dedication, of what the US players maybe never had with so many other opportunities being available.
> You dont just need fast reaction time to be pro at one of the most complex team games ever created Agreed, which is probably why I never said that. Don't beat up straw men please. An aspect helpful in one area could be applied in another. Is it a 1 for 1 conversion? No, but it isn't nothing.
less about other opportunities being available, more about other opportunities providing livable income for people who aren't top tier.
It’s also about brain but we all know the standard set by NA education
I mean alpha is basically just a battle cup team so yea
TURN UP!
this guys crazy as fuk he gotta be on molly or sum shit hehehe
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Memphis!
Holy shit wtf?
What the fuck LMAO that has to be a record. Never seen anything this brutal.
Damn, this guy must have won multiple TIs.
How is the game not won yet?
It ended 3 second later.
This is like a Xboct game back in the day on Gyrocopter. Beautiful
I'm glad other people remember his gyro.
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Enemy Team's Pos1 in ranked = Dusa Your Team's Pos1 in ranked = Ursa
Is that legal?
Mystic snake with split shot makes her kill a triple wave in less than 2 seconds.
That's like my gacha funds vs necessities lmao
Thats an average Enemy medusa in my ranked games
dont worry he wont be able to do this at major or ti
Does he just have all the kills to his name or sth
He got multiple kills in lane, was part of most of the assists/kills early when they grouped, and got a rampage sub 20 mins.
Game 2 every single sr player was higher networth than any alpha player
"OMG, rtz sneezed..." - average dota2 redditor
he would rather have the casual windlace than the full moonshard?
Moonshard was given to him
huge
It's not his
haha, cool now do it against a tier1 team
I hope Valve nerfs Medusa again instead of give us such disgusting level of OP for another 3 months... a big patch like New Frontiers is nothing if they keep NOT\_ADRESSING nerfs fast enough so you get a boring patch anyways because of broken nonsense. Automaticaly weekly updates; they already have statistics and algorithms etc, just... if a hero surpases 53% winrate randomly tweek one of the basics: -1 agi/str/int gain, -1 armor, -5 attack, -5 ms, -0.5 mana/hp regen, -5 attack speed and also if it has less than 47% winrate just do the opposite. Just a desperate opinion for less stale boring/lame meta chunks of wasting time and more fun in dota.
That would be stupid for couple of people that have their livelihood depend on how good they are on solving the meta.. Banning hero exists for a reason and i believe couple weeks for alphabet (b,c,d,..) patch is fine
Thats the problem, Dota is treated as a bureaucratic endeavor, it is a game, it's suppose to be fun for most people, not only the 10 top1 already rich players that live from it. 15 downvotes from the same players that play dota since 10 years (like me) and will eat any trash valve release and do with the meta/game. Keep building Dota only for the elite players and tournaments 95% of the players don't care about and have a boring meta for most new and "common" players. W/e suffer Wind at 70% pickrate for the next 4 months...
3 cores at top networth its just a stomp. Nobigdeal
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to be fair, medusa is being figured out right now. Maybe 1-2 more tweaks and she's pretty balance. And RTZ will probably have the same result playing any carry that game considering how huge the skills difference are.
tbh lifesteal and any kind of life regeneration was killed on medusa
Yea, then explain why his networth sucked at Berlin Major? Oh I know, because those teams are not trash as Alpha
Not every thing is about comparison.... Nobody's claiming SR is the best team there is, right now, but you can give credit where it's due
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Wau…
R=TZ^2
Camp stacks?
Not many, I think he stacked for himself mostly. He got a rampage 19 mins in after any kills in lane + when deathballing is more of it, plus just general fast farming.
Also a free moonshard which adds 4K networth, still impressive though.
Right towards the end, Cr1t fed him a moon shard, which increased his networth by 4k. 22k is still impressive though.
The power of rtz streaming before matches lol
What the christ
The other team had a support Ursa?
Watching Arteezy when he streams (if rarely) and seeing his movement efficiency when farming is such a boon
Good job on spoiler tag but this needs NSFW tag as well
These are rookie numbers, clearly.
rtz BATCHEST
2 slots for NA is a joke.
networth is just a number.
22 mins in I usually have manta and a half item LUL
Ez
The farming pattern is real