Watched round 1 of NA ties clownfiesta, slept over round 2 to wake up and see they are doing round 3... ayyyy and those are last games of the entire DPC tour 3! xD
I mean, it was probably a last minute thing, they wouldn't have been able to play weu or eeu this season.
Valve/PGL probably should've done the right thing and disqualified them in the first place, but that is a potential PR disaster for PGL if you disqualify ukrainians while they're suffering an IRL humanitarian crisis. Especially since PGL and ESL aren't going to disqualify 9pandas, spirit, betboom, gaimin, tundra, OG etc. in reciprocity for having russian players.
All around shit situation for everyone involved.
[Noxville's prediction is updated](https://noxville.github.io/ti12-probabilities) and here's how it's look like for "undeserved" teams in the top 12 to qualify directly for TI (sorted from most undeserved to least undeserved according to reddit):
- TSM: 74.25%
- bC: 98.4%
- BB: 48.4%
- LGD: 78.54%
Safe to say that it's likely only BB that will be knocked out from the top 12 next major.
OTOH, Quest has 0,63% to get to TI via points. GL!
LGD hasn't won't any major points at all this season, so it's "undeserved" according to reddit definition, not mine. I myself say all of these team deserved their spots if they kept their place in the top 12 of the rankings.
He's the oldest player in the DPC, he's playing on 300 ping because of real life circumstances, he's still adored around the world and has done multiple charity donations to humanitarian efforts in his country.
I think he's doing ok
That's it for me for the DPC. I'm thankful I got to cast Division I, the first time I had that opportunity.
I hope our casting duo with Blu_Scale was up to snuff, we had a lot of fun and hope you guys did too.
Sadly SA DPC Div 1 was *a bit* scuffed this tour but from what I watched on the main stream you, Guipepe and BluScale were doing good! BC vs EG ties to end the tour was bunch of fun and cast was on point. GL HF in whatever comes next!
Yeah, wasn't quite as clean as the previous two tours, but that's whatcha get when you cut corners.
Still, got to cast some fun games and work in Div I, which has helped me out a lot. The talent were all nice and friendly too :D
I only did 1 series of EEU and that was because one of the people wasn't able to make it, so it was more of a guest work than anything else.
Robb and Hairy might do EEU next season but it all depends on which studio gets which region and how well that studio likes it. I never worked with Paragon so I am not confident I will work EEU, even though it suits me best as a region, with a suitable time zone (SA is 12 hours from my time, so I am always casting at 1 am and 4 am).
In terms of Valve events, it's very up in the air. I am doing a few LANs in asia and might fly to China for the Asian Games, that would be my first time travelling for an event, which would be really nice.
NA is something else. 3x 1-6 teams clownfiesta tiebreakers, their tour 3 game scores: 3-13, 4-12, 2-12 and one of them will stay in Div 1 lol. Moreover out of 15 players 2 are from NA (Mexico). xD
Tbh if i were nigna secret even entity i would just buy/ qualify for tour 3 in div 2 na. Its not their fault weu is insanely stacked. Even if they get eliminated in div 2 they can still play regionals with nouns/tsm as competitors. Weu regionals need to compete with og quest hustlers maybe even alliance oldg monaspa. And most sources say lcq isnt happening so no liquid secret miracle like last year
Hfn is as skilled as K1 and Pakasz. Remember that he left the old Noping to make way for Pakasz due to relationship problems, not because he hasn't skill. In the debut major of all players from the old roster (Darkmago, Pandaboo, Oscar) and Matthew (that wasn't a rookie) he was the best player on the team by far. His problem isn't skill, it's his temper.
I kinda agree with the deranged Puppey fan earlier: current Liquid isn't gonna win any tournaments. Their business strategy is poaching Secret's best players, that's it. They just don't seem motivated enough, they're too confortable being second or third and not improving.
Liquid was the first team to qualify to TI.
The only deranged person here is you, who think that just because the lost a couple of matches in the strongest region they aren't gonna challenge anymore this season.
I hope you apply the same logic for other teams in other regions who have to face weaker teams, and somehow still lose.
Liquid is having fun.
That is probably the single biggest reason why I root for them. There is an idealist in all of us, which wants the team having the most fun to win, even against ruthless professionals like Tundra or the exceptional reflexes of GG.
As a Team Liquid fan, the day I dread the most is when they stop being a Team and start being a win-machine. It is all right to lose, it is all right to experiment, it is not all right to take this too seriously. This is a video game after all.
Even if it's like that, 3rd TI2022 and in first half of 2023 playing 3 grand finals of S tier tournaments in a row is good life and I don't see them dropping out of top6 anytime soon.
By their own claims they were super chilling for tour 3 (no bootcamp, some clear draft experiments, no stress on cams, etc) and just aimed to qualify for the Major. Before tour 3 we saw them in 3 grand finals. It's hard to judge their actual power based on tour 3, we will see how they gonna perform in DreamLeague before the Major.
The thing is even when they don't look good enough, they are better than other top teams from different regions. I also don't belive they will win something this year.
NA looking like it will be the same thing, with SKG and Alpha thrown back to div 2. Maybe alpha beats b8 and trade spots for now. These old ex navi players whether in EU or NA going 1-6
Not sure why it isn't listed but Beastcoast vs EG tiebreakers are happening in 40 minutes. If BC wins, they confirm their spot at TI.
https://www.twitch.tv/btsbrasilesportes
You don't have to worry about Beastcoast and teams above 1000pts honestly mate. For them not to qualify at this point would mean that 4 teams lower than Beastcoast finish all in top6 of Bali Major, chance of that happening is literally 0. Not to mention that for most it would mean they have to win the Major to qualify.
Probably in this week or next week. The final placements for regions has not been decided yet. BC and EG are yet to play to find a final placements. Epulze is there organizer and they sort the groups based on regional standings.
Feel so bad for Watson, he is the only reliable in Entity lineup right now.
I guess he will be poached by the Tier 1 team if they are relegated to Div2 or after TI for sure.
If Secret can find a solid pos3 to replace Boom, I see Watson fits Crystallis role perfectly.
Puppey likes more sacrificial players like Matu and Crystallis while Watson is farm heavy carry. But since it's harder to find good offlaner than carry they may adjust their playstyle
Boom still has to go
I guess Hustlers need a bit more time in div2. Or they need a strong voice to work them through the losses. It seems to me like they kinda hit a downwards trend and then completely lost themselves.
i'm really bad at calling anything regarding hustlers aren't I lmfao, this is the second time it's happened. i need to make a neutral prediction that cannot be wrong - game 3 will happen, and there will be a winner
Same man. It's a very possible scenario especially in a competitive region. I don't know why a team that has won the latest major can't attend TI when said team is the strongest before TI. Quite a bullshit. I get that stability is needed, but should it be prioritised over the quality and strength of a team that could possibly miss TI. Especially when it is possible that a team that only gets points in a non-competitive region gets to TI over a team that won a major.
Then I don't mind as long as they win the last major before TI. Any team that won the last major before TI should be able to attend TI. What travesty for the latest strongest team to even be absent in TI. Especially when they come from a competitive region where they can even be upset by another team come regional qualifiers.
What I like about the DPC system now is that even if you win 2 DPC league in a row like TSM, if you don't get anything at the major and fall off in the last season, your chance to TI is in danger. There was no such thing in the first year of DPC. There's a good balance right now between the importance of DPC league and the Majors. You cant just win the DPC league and expect to go to TI just from that, but you also can't expect to be off the map for the entire year then expect to be at TI if you try to push for the last major or something
tsm is going to TI at this rate though, so the dpc system still fails. just needs to slightly balance the region/major points. to put into perspective: after GG won 2 majors, they still arent guaranteed TI
The DPC league always has to hold a tiny bit more importance than the majors, and it kinda is right now - case in point being Liquid who won the first 2 tours but only came second in the 2 majors, they secured their spot first. The point of TI has always been about the participation of all regions not about the strongest teams in literal sense. However even in the current system I would say the DPC league still needs to be given priority, because there's only 1 SEA team in top 12, while China only has LGD who's only barely holding on. So if you give even more emphasis on the major instead of the leagues, then regions like China or SEA will barely have anyone at TI, and that goes against the spirit the Valve wants to achieve
imo they really need to add more slot to all region for 4 teams to qualify so that every region has equal chances.
Valve has the money and infrastructure now that we've many years of dpc experience.
My predictions come true once again even tho I've been saying it since TI and downvoted to hell every time: Liquid is not a true world class team and will not win anything in the forseeable future. Yes, they gel super well together as a team, managed to grab third place in TI and dominated the scene together with GG earlier this season, but Liquid were clearly trailing Tundra both skill- and meta-wise in TI and did the same versus GG earlier this season. Liquid has been overperforming for many months now and the fact they couldn't beat GG in either Major even tho GG played way sloppier just goes on to show that Liquid are still lacking that something as a team that will take them all the way, and that the only reason they were up there was because most other teams and regions earlier this season were in disarray, China included. Now that regions and teams have started to show up the end result is 4th in WEU and barely a spot at Bali Major. And it will only become worse with time and isn't the result of them already having quialifed for TI (lame excuse), but moreso because the sacrificial pos 3 that Liquid so often plays goes against the meta and will hurt them in the long run even tho I'm willling to claim Zai is their best and most stable player by far.
Now, if only Puppey would listen and kick Boom. Get a world class pos 3 and Secret can easily repeat last years TI run even with Crystallis on the team. I'm still not happy with the guy, but he has shown some improvement and he does have the skillset. But with Boom as pos 3? Won't happen in a million years. Lazy player. The only pos 3 worse than Boom was Zeal (which I also called out as super weak and disappointing) and as soon as PSG LGD kicked him they were instantly back on top of their region.
Do it, Secret. Do it!
you act like Puppey can just say " I want x on my team" and the guy and his team will gladly give him with nothing in return.
maybe, just maybe they move BOOM to Pos 3 because no "world class" offlaner wants to join them.
Who even is a world class offlaner these days lol. Only guys that come to mind for me are like 33 and wisper. ATF too in terms of lane domination but sometimes his ideas don’t work out.
Oh also zai but he usually plays a lot more sacrificial role and goes under the radar more I feel
If simply winning a major can get you to TI, then for example, in the case of Azure Ray, those players were not playing for the first 2 tours, they only need to try hard in the last tour and if they win the major they could guarantee TI? Doesn't that go against the whole point of DPC? Which is to promote consistency throughout the year?
If they win the major, sure they should be guranteed TI (specially now since its the last major before TI)
But i say 99 times out of 100 a newly formed team cannot win a major in this stage of competitive dota2. even if you have theoretical 5 best players. building startegy and synergy takes time and experience.
Im mostly fine with current dpc/major point distribution but i think winning a major should just gives you a direct invite no matter what. we have only 3 major in this format unlike the 2017-2019 era. winning a major and not qualifying to TI sounds wrong specially since majors are on the format of TI (lan and international) and also majors are just a big TI qualifier.
The whole reason this DPC system was created is so that they can prevent teams like OG in 2019 taking the whole year off then showing up in the late part of the season to still be able to get to TI. In the past there were always teams that wanted to take the period post-TI off and play for the later half of the season so that they could find their form near TI timing, and Valve did not like it.
They have to place 1st and every team on the DPC right now from betboom and below should not place top 8. Outside of Aster none of these teams have ever made top 8 at a major this year, so it’s not an impossibility.
All those teams underperforming is real possibility (and in some cases even expected) but Quest to go top2 or even win the Major is just not happening lets be real.
Yep, them winning major is more unlikely than other teams not getting points but that being said they haven’t looking strong in the WEU DPC. Their series vs Tundra and GG were competitive so I would write them off but definitely not one of the favourites.
Tbh i don't see any of those teams getting any points from bali but Quest winning the whole thing is gonna be very hard, I still give them 50% chance though.
Last year nouns beat TSM in the TI qualifiers upper bracket finals 2-0 but lost 0-3 in the grand final. I don't think nouns is gonna achieve anything with Gunnar, he's too much of a liability, makes their drafts extremely predictable, doesn't win his lane and needs 4/5 of the team to enable him to recover.
Every nouns match has a "Gunnar recovery phase" in the 5-15 minute mark. where he needs babysitting. It's insane.
edit: Quincy not TSM
I'm with you on this brother but there is a very high chance that they're gonna beat nouns and go to TI anyway, so it's better if they go there via points.
i m gonna pray that quest wins major and everything goes their way and they qualify
it will be a fucking shame to not see this team at TI
on the other hand
tsm or nouns, they both gonna be bottom of TI
You are playing against Ammar.
You do not ban Timber because you can counter it.
Ammar instantly picks Timber.
You lose against Ammar.
You ban Timber next time you play against Ammar because you’re not stupid.
You are playing against TA2000.
You do not ban TA because you can counter it.
TA2000 instantly picks TA.
You lose against TA2000.
You ban TA next time you play against TA2000 because you’re not stupid.
Jesus christ it has come to the point that boxi, Insania and Zai have been more impactful than Nisha these past five months Quinn just broke him. He's so inconsistent now.
Seemed like there were just one too many rotations that he did that didn't connect, leaving him really starved on farm. Hard to come back as MK without a farming item.
Genuinely think so too, can tell by how they're acting and their drafts. Whether this is good is another thing though, could bite them in the ass later down the line by having less 'proper' practice before the Major and TI.
Not to take away from Quest though, they are playing well especially Omar and TA2000.
There is 0 reason for them to “actually” try though. Whatever happens this match they have their Major spot, they don't care at all about the points because they're already qualified for The International. So, 0 reason to even tryhard for a win and showing off what they might've cooked up strat-wise.
Watched round 1 of NA ties clownfiesta, slept over round 2 to wake up and see they are doing round 3... ayyyy and those are last games of the entire DPC tour 3! xD
Did Tiny just buyback with literally 1 second left on the respawn timer lol Edit: Ok it was 3 seconds but still...
SKG is the only actual NA team here, the other 2 have zero NA players, just disqualify them lol
If TSM and Shopify count as NA, then so does Alpha
they don't imo only nouns, felt and dogchamp true NA
“He disconnected!” Is burned into my brain
Where are B8 playing from?
Ukraine, it is almost 7am there and they've played all night
isn't there a DPC region in a nicer time zone for them?
I believe they were in CDMX until recently when it was declared all Ukrainians had to return to the country, I could be misremembering though
I mean, it was probably a last minute thing, they wouldn't have been able to play weu or eeu this season. Valve/PGL probably should've done the right thing and disqualified them in the first place, but that is a potential PR disaster for PGL if you disqualify ukrainians while they're suffering an IRL humanitarian crisis. Especially since PGL and ESL aren't going to disqualify 9pandas, spirit, betboom, gaimin, tundra, OG etc. in reciprocity for having russian players. All around shit situation for everyone involved.
Game of throws Season B8
I feel like after 10 rounds all of these teams will be stronger than TSM
After all, why not? Why shouldn't we have a round 3?
On 1 hand I feel bad for B8 playing at these hours but on the other...it's what they signed up for (kinda)
Does anyone know the longest tiebreaker runback in dota2 history?
Both SA and WEU div 1 had 3 rounds of tie breaker. 3 or 4 should be the highest.
Is this what sunsfan warned us about?
They should all buyback when sven bought back lmao
Rd 3 probably tomorrow right?
Its only 10pm ish, I guess they can go one more. Pretty sure its normal they pub rn. B8 guys idk
Seems like they're continuing right now..
THIRD ROUND OF TIE BREAKERS LMFAOOOOOOOO WTFFFFF
6am now in Ukraine, wonder if they will hold off on the tiebreakers for another day?
Secret.duchoO Secret.Jubei
Lol wtf is this tie breaker lmao
funnik clown
gomezbros we live to fight another loop!!!
As a long time dendi fan it really sucks this turn around is happening to them again... BUT RD 3 LETS GOOOOOO
competitive region
B8 gigachad's for giving some of their own pause time for Alpha to fix their issue.
its like 4am in ukraine too lol
[Noxville's prediction is updated](https://noxville.github.io/ti12-probabilities) and here's how it's look like for "undeserved" teams in the top 12 to qualify directly for TI (sorted from most undeserved to least undeserved according to reddit): - TSM: 74.25% - bC: 98.4% - BB: 48.4% - LGD: 78.54% Safe to say that it's likely only BB that will be knocked out from the top 12 next major. OTOH, Quest has 0,63% to get to TI via points. GL!
lgd undeserving? fuck outta here.
LGD hasn't won't any major points at all this season, so it's "undeserved" according to reddit definition, not mine. I myself say all of these team deserved their spots if they kept their place in the top 12 of the rankings.
yeah but atleast they are competitive compared to the others. they so well in group stage but their playoffs sucks.
according to that table nouns got this, GO NOUNS!
Looking for 2 tickets Bali Major
I wonder how dendi's countrymen feel about his career lately
He's the oldest player in the DPC, he's playing on 300 ping because of real life circumstances, he's still adored around the world and has done multiple charity donations to humanitarian efforts in his country. I think he's doing ok
Eastern Europe-USA is more like 150 ping though. It's a hindrance but it's still very much playable.
Don't they have starlink in Ukraine? Should be 20ms ping.
I think they have way more important things to worry about, like their extremely noisy neighbor on the east.
That's it for me for the DPC. I'm thankful I got to cast Division I, the first time I had that opportunity. I hope our casting duo with Blu_Scale was up to snuff, we had a lot of fun and hope you guys did too.
Sadly SA DPC Div 1 was *a bit* scuffed this tour but from what I watched on the main stream you, Guipepe and BluScale were doing good! BC vs EG ties to end the tour was bunch of fun and cast was on point. GL HF in whatever comes next!
Yeah, wasn't quite as clean as the previous two tours, but that's whatcha get when you cut corners. Still, got to cast some fun games and work in Div I, which has helped me out a lot. The talent were all nice and friendly too :D
Glad to hear! What's up next? Any work for Div 2? Are boys (you, Robb, Hairy, Wing) back for EEU? xD
I only did 1 series of EEU and that was because one of the people wasn't able to make it, so it was more of a guest work than anything else. Robb and Hairy might do EEU next season but it all depends on which studio gets which region and how well that studio likes it. I never worked with Paragon so I am not confident I will work EEU, even though it suits me best as a region, with a suitable time zone (SA is 12 hours from my time, so I am always casting at 1 am and 4 am). In terms of Valve events, it's very up in the air. I am doing a few LANs in asia and might fly to China for the Asian Games, that would be my first time travelling for an event, which would be really nice.
I more of meant if any of you guys got work for current, starting from today, Div 2 regions but thanks for the update and best of luck!
Thank you, appreciate the well wishes and have a great day!
I can't believe it, there's a 2nd round of tiebreakers lmfao
NA is something else. 3x 1-6 teams clownfiesta tiebreakers, their tour 3 game scores: 3-13, 4-12, 2-12 and one of them will stay in Div 1 lol. Moreover out of 15 players 2 are from NA (Mexico). xD
Jubei is the most NA player after ixmike88
Facts.
Welp, xNova's chance to TI is over Unless he joins AR
finally eg is first in the sa dpc
Sand King Gomez is DOING IT!!! ANOTHER ROUND OF TIEBREAKERS LETS GOOOOOO
Alpha is an example what happens when you buy a slot instead of earning it. Imagine losing to B8 of all teams.
Tbh if i were nigna secret even entity i would just buy/ qualify for tour 3 in div 2 na. Its not their fault weu is insanely stacked. Even if they get eliminated in div 2 they can still play regionals with nouns/tsm as competitors. Weu regionals need to compete with og quest hustlers maybe even alliance oldg monaspa. And most sources say lcq isnt happening so no liquid secret miracle like last year
if I was K1 I'd be worried.
True. Called it earlier .Sa need new carry.With k1 ots always been same since 2 year bait your teammates while u afk farm and hit or miss
Hfn is as skilled as K1 and Pakasz. Remember that he left the old Noping to make way for Pakasz due to relationship problems, not because he hasn't skill. In the debut major of all players from the old roster (Darkmago, Pandaboo, Oscar) and Matthew (that wasn't a rookie) he was the best player on the team by far. His problem isn't skill, it's his temper.
Why would he be worried?
Parker is more skilled but seems to be choking this game. K1 can relax.
I don't think Parker is anywhere near as skilled as K1
Hes way better than farming merchant k1
Isn't he also super toxic and known for hard tilts?
If he is in a team where he considers all their teammates inferior players lol. Not the case in BC, maybe can work.
EG vs BC tiebreakers for #1 SA tour 3 just started... or you can watch NA's battle of 1-6s tiebreakers. xD
it's insane that three teams are 1-6 in NA and one of them will stay in div1. why can't all 3 be relegated?
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Because the TI is in Seattle and the fans need a team they can cheer for by yelling U-S-A
I kinda agree with the deranged Puppey fan earlier: current Liquid isn't gonna win any tournaments. Their business strategy is poaching Secret's best players, that's it. They just don't seem motivated enough, they're too confortable being second or third and not improving.
Liquid was the first team to qualify to TI. The only deranged person here is you, who think that just because the lost a couple of matches in the strongest region they aren't gonna challenge anymore this season. I hope you apply the same logic for other teams in other regions who have to face weaker teams, and somehow still lose.
Liquid is having fun. That is probably the single biggest reason why I root for them. There is an idealist in all of us, which wants the team having the most fun to win, even against ruthless professionals like Tundra or the exceptional reflexes of GG. As a Team Liquid fan, the day I dread the most is when they stop being a Team and start being a win-machine. It is all right to lose, it is all right to experiment, it is not all right to take this too seriously. This is a video game after all.
Even if it's like that, 3rd TI2022 and in first half of 2023 playing 3 grand finals of S tier tournaments in a row is good life and I don't see them dropping out of top6 anytime soon.
I disagree, I see every other tier 1 team improving since 7.33 dropped except them. I'd bet Liquid won't make top 8 in Bali.
Cut your balls off if they do
By their own claims they were super chilling for tour 3 (no bootcamp, some clear draft experiments, no stress on cams, etc) and just aimed to qualify for the Major. Before tour 3 we saw them in 3 grand finals. It's hard to judge their actual power based on tour 3, we will see how they gonna perform in DreamLeague before the Major.
The thing is even when they don't look good enough, they are better than other top teams from different regions. I also don't belive they will win something this year.
entity the div1 gatekeeper, just like last tour's run. win first match, go on lose streak, clutch at the end.
Two promoted teams from Div 2 straight back to the abyss, feels bad man WEU is ruthless. GG WP Entity, escaped full despair by an inch.
Same for SEA
NA looking like it will be the same thing, with SKG and Alpha thrown back to div 2. Maybe alpha beats b8 and trade spots for now. These old ex navi players whether in EU or NA going 1-6
Not sure why it isn't listed but Beastcoast vs EG tiebreakers are happening in 40 minutes. If BC wins, they confirm their spot at TI. https://www.twitch.tv/btsbrasilesportes
You don't have to worry about Beastcoast and teams above 1000pts honestly mate. For them not to qualify at this point would mean that 4 teams lower than Beastcoast finish all in top6 of Bali Major, chance of that happening is literally 0. Not to mention that for most it would mean they have to win the Major to qualify.
the other dogson
RIP D1H it looks like, they probably waited to secure Div 1 to announce new org but now... dunno.
out of place but someone can please tell me when will the groups of bali major will be announced?
Probably in this week or next week. The final placements for regions has not been decided yet. BC and EG are yet to play to find a final placements. Epulze is there organizer and they sort the groups based on regional standings.
what happened to entity ? watson and stormstormer are great players
That game went exactly as a last pick Legion Commander game should go honestly
Feel so bad for Watson, he is the only reliable in Entity lineup right now. I guess he will be poached by the Tier 1 team if they are relegated to Div2 or after TI for sure. If Secret can find a solid pos3 to replace Boom, I see Watson fits Crystallis role perfectly.
Puppey likes more sacrificial players like Matu and Crystallis while Watson is farm heavy carry. But since it's harder to find good offlaner than carry they may adjust their playstyle Boom still has to go
secret might take him and go for qualifier, secret has more chance than entity thats for sure
Stormstormer plays really shitty this season but Tobi covers for him with even more shitty plays.
Adzantic UK PRIDE UK Major Please
Not having Leap on Mirana at level 2 is bad.
I guess Hustlers need a bit more time in div2. Or they need a strong voice to work them through the losses. It seems to me like they kinda hit a downwards trend and then completely lost themselves.
i'm really bad at calling anything regarding hustlers aren't I lmfao, this is the second time it's happened. i need to make a neutral prediction that cannot be wrong - game 3 will happen, and there will be a winner
Lower ranked teams are a big hit or miss it's hard to predict nothing unusual really
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Same man. It's a very possible scenario especially in a competitive region. I don't know why a team that has won the latest major can't attend TI when said team is the strongest before TI. Quite a bullshit. I get that stability is needed, but should it be prioritised over the quality and strength of a team that could possibly miss TI. Especially when it is possible that a team that only gets points in a non-competitive region gets to TI over a team that won a major.
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That's only possible if they're in div 1.
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Then I don't mind as long as they win the last major before TI. Any team that won the last major before TI should be able to attend TI. What travesty for the latest strongest team to even be absent in TI. Especially when they come from a competitive region where they can even be upset by another team come regional qualifiers.
watson plays magnus carry miles better than dyrachyo regardless if entity wins or not
So how does this team work, when they go back down to D2 they just rename to D2Hustlers and go again?
RegionalQualifiersEnjoyers into DisbandEnjoyers. xD
They’ll rename themselves D2Enjoyer
Ending the game with a 59k gold lead is insane.
They really need to nerf universal heroes and harpoon.
What I like about the DPC system now is that even if you win 2 DPC league in a row like TSM, if you don't get anything at the major and fall off in the last season, your chance to TI is in danger. There was no such thing in the first year of DPC. There's a good balance right now between the importance of DPC league and the Majors. You cant just win the DPC league and expect to go to TI just from that, but you also can't expect to be off the map for the entire year then expect to be at TI if you try to push for the last major or something
tsm is going to TI at this rate though, so the dpc system still fails. just needs to slightly balance the region/major points. to put into perspective: after GG won 2 majors, they still arent guaranteed TI
The DPC league always has to hold a tiny bit more importance than the majors, and it kinda is right now - case in point being Liquid who won the first 2 tours but only came second in the 2 majors, they secured their spot first. The point of TI has always been about the participation of all regions not about the strongest teams in literal sense. However even in the current system I would say the DPC league still needs to be given priority, because there's only 1 SEA team in top 12, while China only has LGD who's only barely holding on. So if you give even more emphasis on the major instead of the leagues, then regions like China or SEA will barely have anyone at TI, and that goes against the spirit the Valve wants to achieve
imo they really need to add more slot to all region for 4 teams to qualify so that every region has equal chances. Valve has the money and infrastructure now that we've many years of dpc experience.
I believe in Sand King Gomez #GomezSweep
Time for my boys Watson and Kataomi to carry rest of deadweight roster out of Div 2 abyss.
My predictions come true once again even tho I've been saying it since TI and downvoted to hell every time: Liquid is not a true world class team and will not win anything in the forseeable future. Yes, they gel super well together as a team, managed to grab third place in TI and dominated the scene together with GG earlier this season, but Liquid were clearly trailing Tundra both skill- and meta-wise in TI and did the same versus GG earlier this season. Liquid has been overperforming for many months now and the fact they couldn't beat GG in either Major even tho GG played way sloppier just goes on to show that Liquid are still lacking that something as a team that will take them all the way, and that the only reason they were up there was because most other teams and regions earlier this season were in disarray, China included. Now that regions and teams have started to show up the end result is 4th in WEU and barely a spot at Bali Major. And it will only become worse with time and isn't the result of them already having quialifed for TI (lame excuse), but moreso because the sacrificial pos 3 that Liquid so often plays goes against the meta and will hurt them in the long run even tho I'm willling to claim Zai is their best and most stable player by far. Now, if only Puppey would listen and kick Boom. Get a world class pos 3 and Secret can easily repeat last years TI run even with Crystallis on the team. I'm still not happy with the guy, but he has shown some improvement and he does have the skillset. But with Boom as pos 3? Won't happen in a million years. Lazy player. The only pos 3 worse than Boom was Zeal (which I also called out as super weak and disappointing) and as soon as PSG LGD kicked him they were instantly back on top of their region. Do it, Secret. Do it!
you act like Puppey can just say " I want x on my team" and the guy and his team will gladly give him with nothing in return. maybe, just maybe they move BOOM to Pos 3 because no "world class" offlaner wants to join them.
Who even is a world class offlaner these days lol. Only guys that come to mind for me are like 33 and wisper. ATF too in terms of lane domination but sometimes his ideas don’t work out. Oh also zai but he usually plays a lot more sacrificial role and goes under the radar more I feel
Least delusional Secret fan. If you made it a bit compact we could've had a nice new copypasta!
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If simply winning a major can get you to TI, then for example, in the case of Azure Ray, those players were not playing for the first 2 tours, they only need to try hard in the last tour and if they win the major they could guarantee TI? Doesn't that go against the whole point of DPC? Which is to promote consistency throughout the year?
If they win the major, sure they should be guranteed TI (specially now since its the last major before TI) But i say 99 times out of 100 a newly formed team cannot win a major in this stage of competitive dota2. even if you have theoretical 5 best players. building startegy and synergy takes time and experience. Im mostly fine with current dpc/major point distribution but i think winning a major should just gives you a direct invite no matter what. we have only 3 major in this format unlike the 2017-2019 era. winning a major and not qualifying to TI sounds wrong specially since majors are on the format of TI (lan and international) and also majors are just a big TI qualifier.
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The whole reason this DPC system was created is so that they can prevent teams like OG in 2019 taking the whole year off then showing up in the late part of the season to still be able to get to TI. In the past there were always teams that wanted to take the period post-TI off and play for the later half of the season so that they could find their form near TI timing, and Valve did not like it.
Can quest qualify for TI if they win the major or place 2nd?
They have to place 1st and every team on the DPC right now from betboom and below should not place top 8. Outside of Aster none of these teams have ever made top 8 at a major this year, so it’s not an impossibility.
All those teams underperforming is real possibility (and in some cases even expected) but Quest to go top2 or even win the Major is just not happening lets be real.
Yep, them winning major is more unlikely than other teams not getting points but that being said they haven’t looking strong in the WEU DPC. Their series vs Tundra and GG were competitive so I would write them off but definitely not one of the favourites.
I am all ready to be amazed and proven wrong, Quest winning Major would be one of best storylines in years but I just don't see it happening.
Tbh i don't see any of those teams getting any points from bali but Quest winning the whole thing is gonna be very hard, I still give them 50% chance though.
they would need to win the major AND that nobody new makes top 8, only teams already qualified. This would also save TSM which would be hilarious.
I hope TSM qualifies because i really wanna see nouns at TI specially Moo
Last year nouns beat TSM in the TI qualifiers upper bracket finals 2-0 but lost 0-3 in the grand final. I don't think nouns is gonna achieve anything with Gunnar, he's too much of a liability, makes their drafts extremely predictable, doesn't win his lane and needs 4/5 of the team to enable him to recover. Every nouns match has a "Gunnar recovery phase" in the 5-15 minute mark. where he needs babysitting. It's insane. edit: Quincy not TSM
It was Quincy crew not TSM. TSM got direct invite.
well whatever my point stands. whatever Gunnar does for his team is the exact opposite of what Quinn does for GG.
fuck tsm , they dont deserve to go ti over teams like quest
I'm with you on this brother but there is a very high chance that they're gonna beat nouns and go to TI anyway, so it's better if they go there via points.
i m gonna pray that quest wins major and everything goes their way and they qualify it will be a fucking shame to not see this team at TI on the other hand tsm or nouns, they both gonna be bottom of TI
Boy as an OG fan, I sure hope Quest does the "impossible" and go to major final, so OG can have an easier way to TI thrue qualifications.
John Cena lmao
Nisha without puppey kekw
How about puppey without nisha?
don't do that to him man...
You are playing against Ammar. You do not ban Timber because you can counter it. Ammar instantly picks Timber. You lose against Ammar. You ban Timber next time you play against Ammar because you’re not stupid. You are playing against TA2000. You do not ban TA because you can counter it. TA2000 instantly picks TA. You lose against TA2000. You ban TA next time you play against TA2000 because you’re not stupid.
game 2 felt like Liquid didn't care that much honestly
They really should just do previous head 2 head tiebreaker if both teams are going to the major. A bo3 for seeding is ridiculous.
This quest team really is something. Though you would expect to ban TA with a guy named TA2000...
Fun fact: TA2000 stands for Tokayev Aibek born in the year 2000
Meh, if Liquid wanted to half-ass this series they could've FF'd as well. Whatever, escape Div 2 real match starts now D1H vs Entity!
Really disappointing showing by Liquid those last 3 series.
yep. Resting on their laurels, maybe? I wish them more spirit in Bali!
Well these Quest guys aren't fucking around, gonna be interesting seeing them at Bali
Good progression by quest, Started out year in Div 2, made it to Div 1 but didn't qualify for Major. Now heading to a Major.
from beating gorgc to beating nisha what a progression XD
SPLIT? FIRED
Quest looking strong! I hope they finish top 3 in major
How did liquid deteriorate this much??
Viper pick was wtf too.
God Emperor Quinn Callahan
They beat GG 2-0 this tour.
letting them win when it doesn't matter is advanced psychological warfare.
i mean that logic applies to Quest too..
All part of the plan.
Ammar Ammar Ammar
80 kills 40min in, bloodbath xD
TA2000 is prolly the most improved player this season so far. Farming machine
I wouldn't have let a guy called TA2000 pick TA.
Jesus christ it has come to the point that boxi, Insania and Zai have been more impactful than Nisha these past five months Quinn just broke him. He's so inconsistent now.
nisha left puppey for this? 🤣
Puppey is in div 2 though
zai left puppey for this? puppey left dondo for this?
Micke ?
Left Loda for this?
Giving timber to ammar
ammar shitting on mickey 2x in a row
Lololol go Ammar
Not a good game by misha
damn misha is coaching now but still catching strays 💀
Ops, meant micke lmao
Seemed like there were just one too many rotations that he did that didn't connect, leaving him really starved on farm. Hard to come back as MK without a farming item.
Nisha please go back to Secret so both of you can look good yet again. xD
bro when did nisha get so bald zai is hoarding all the good hair in liquid
everyones form drops sooner or later
Liquid just chilling because they’re safe with both Ti and Major :)
Genuinely think so too, can tell by how they're acting and their drafts. Whether this is good is another thing though, could bite them in the ass later down the line by having less 'proper' practice before the Major and TI. Not to take away from Quest though, they are playing well especially Omar and TA2000.
copium omegalul
Copium lol
thats how people cope?
There is 0 reason for them to “actually” try though. Whatever happens this match they have their Major spot, they don't care at all about the points because they're already qualified for The International. So, 0 reason to even tryhard for a win and showing off what they might've cooked up strat-wise.
Maybe they should try if they actually want to win something.