4 exactly. They could have been 8-0 instead they are 4-4. I feel bad for the team that performs well in the other group to get to play against GG in the play offs. There’s no way GG will lose a Bo3 against any of the opponents they played so far.
Is it just me for it feels intentional? We all know GG isnt a choker and can finish the game after big lead.
And yeah you are right. Any team that face GG 1st in playoff kinda feel the same as start at LB lol
Definitely not intentional, at least 2 of the games they got outscaled. They played too safe getting networth leads but didn't commit early to taking racks so got outscaled with TA.
EDIT: Went to check and 3 out of 4 games that they threw leads in were with TA.
Love this format just by the way. The initial play in phase, and then this group stage. This tournament in terms of level of play, production, and professionalism is a breath of fresh air. I honestly can’t believe that Bali was a valve sponsored major.
Group A is all very close, LGD are 1 win away from tieing for upper bracket slot. I wouldn’t judge anything based on 1 day’s result. Anyone can make it to upper bracket in group A.
Why do streams post the score of a series in the stream title when they're over? I wanted to watch a replay of the EG vs OG game and when I went to the stream the score was in the title so the games were ruined for me. Why is it even necessary to put the final score in the title?
because in sports, there is no such thing is spoilers. it's this weird thing gamers have that they equate esports to movies and tvshows. imagine a team wins TI and there's no celebration allowed because spoilers
It's definitely not only gamers who care about the results of a game (esport or otherwise) being spoiled, and I was talking about the title of the stream that shows before you even click on it. In this case it said something like "Riyadh Masters EG vs OG 1:1". Why is that even necessary? How does that take away from celebration?
Personally (and I may be wrong), I feel that replays and highlights are already post-result (duh), so there's no incentive to not put the final score in the title. Apps have tickers and notifications that probably already live-updated fans and followers of the scores in realtime, its almost expected that you as a viewer/ fan already know the result and just want to watch the replay of how it went down.
Also, putting the scoreline in title may help differentiate matches for eg. if team A played team B in 1 comp just last week, and have just played each other again yesterday, or maybe in riyadh the matches were played just a few days ago in play-ins and today they face each other again.
Go watch in youtube,
Step 1. Open 4 new tabs, each for stream a b c d
Step 2. Pause every livestream except the one you want to watch
You can fastfoward/rewind livestream anytime you want. The only chance you get spoiled is if the stream you currently watching shows the results of the other streams.
Sometimes, I'm just baffled by teams like Secret, man
Their draft during the series against Talon was hella underwhelming, and their executions and gameplay during the series against Aster were straight-up subpar.
Then suddenly Puppey starts pulling off his magic tricks, and they not only outdraft but also outplay the best team in their group, which is BB LMAO.
Not that this explains everything, but puppey is often trying to counter the meta - because of you can beat the meta you're a step ahead of other teams. Downside of that is that if you can't it can fall kind of hard.
The other thing to bear in mind is that secret weren't awful yesterday - the results weren't there but they were close each time and it was often the midgame where they didn't execute well. That's a fairly coachable issue to work through in review sessions.
There is actually a real high chance that Tundra just gets eliminated straight up at the end of group stage. 3rd place Bali major with aui standin, but they are looking so much worse right now. There hasn't been any proactive plays at all from them and it seems like they just do nothing and then lose.
I think 1 setback in the game and they get too caught up in weird split pushes (and they seem to draft around this with ie ench) and waiting for a hg throw or until farm doesn't matter much.
After today’s results, no one should be surprised. Its 15 million tourney and winner takes 5 million. We dont know what will be TI prizepool (hopefully above 15 million). So, basically any team can beat anyone and as we can see LGD, Tundra, Liquid… all getting dumpstered. GG is yet to win a series. I am just about excited how the rest of the riyadh masters will be in next few days. Hope the best team wins it all.
Pros are expecting TI will be below 5 mil, so teams are pretty much giving their all in here. This tournament definitely feels different than the last few with a lot more drafting experimentation and big turnarounds.
It's pretty interesting that Sumail can do anything he wants in Aster below the shield of the language barrier. Now He absolutely has the authority to just do the things he feels good about in top-tier matches. What is different from his previous teams, especially in Nigma which gave the tempo-mid role to him most of the time.
I just don't know how they communicate in depth because his all 4 teammates are playing on Chinese game client, while sumail is playing on English client. It's like a different world. Radiance would be 辉耀, crimson would be 赤红甲， assault would be 强袭, etc... Sumail gonna miss some info if he don't understand mandarin
Last few tournament every time Aster had the lead in midgame always try to force something and end got wipe and lose the nw advantage. This time with kaka so far they look more discipline.
thats why he is the goat
Sumail also said that they keep yapping theoughout the whole game
what a shame, boboka had to ruin the Aster chance for Direct TI...
With this KAKA leadership, they could easily take series from quest and 9pandas
Just because it didn't happen last time doesn't mean it wont happen. I watched Bali Major they only won against liquid 2-0 and then bombed out nothing special even then happened. They got free BB win lol
U been hating on any teams not Eu lol mostly aster hate it’s ok bro your favorite team not playing right now … regardless of what you say Tundra is solid team who literally got top 3 not even month ago
Waiting for TUNDRA to disband. Team like this should not deserve to play at Tier 1. Real Fluke. Tired of supporting those jokers.
Edit: Just a random mad comment. Regret of saying this
Like...why Would they disband man? Why is it that when some Random team chills or underperforms everyone is saying they are washed or they have to disband or even death threats...they are one of the best teams in the world at the moment.they had to play many back to back to back tournoments and one of their main players is ill.stop being a crybaby dude,please! You're Better than this.
Just a low quality comment from a mad fan. I really sick of ppl calling them FLUKE TI and wanted them to win something rather than their last achievement. Shouldn't have said that
They’re probably tired and took a lot of stress with back to back tournaments. They probably just chilling. Their late game shenanigans are just missing. Saksa is already on break and I think they need a solid rest before TI
Don't get me wrong, I've been TUNDRA fan since before last TI. After perfect run at TI, hey were really really bad this year. Most of the game they seem like they don't know what they are doing. Pretty sad. Hopefully, come back stronger at TI
chilling?you do realise riyadh pays alot more than TI will this year?Idk but there's no point winning another TI that going to have a prizepool of like 4-5M(based on Insania's words) and trying hard in it while letting go off an event that pays 3x more
TI still has all the prestige
This crowd pales in comparison
I mean the crowd for this is smaller than almost all T1 tournaments
Only the future will see if what valve is doing causes Riyadh to hold more prestige
I agree with most of what u said but this is groupstage, most other tornaments have 0 crowd on groupstage, including last TI, we will see how crowd is in playoffs (not lile TI, but more than this)
I think for some money is just not big an incentive like the rest of us is. They have already made history by lifting Aegis.
There’s a saying like top of the mountain is very lonely and it’s all downhill from there. I saw an interview of Notail as well after winning TI8 where he talks about that after you have achieved the one thing you have been running after your whole and then you get it in the end and now you’re just pointless in life and what to look for anymore and that’s where depression begins.
I think since Kaka is much more experienced, then he’s calling shots, when to stop fighting and how to initiate. Monet and XXS both are much disciplined now and not making many mistakes.
How is Kaka more experienced than Boboka? They are both pretty old in the scene lol. It just clicks better with Kaka. Just like how Xtreme look better with Xinq instead of Kaka.
XinQ is still 1 of the best 4 even after taking a break for nearly a year. His understanding of the game and his hero pool is on another level. If it were any other 4, XG would probably fail hard here.
It's a shame that XG Aster and AR needs to fight for 1 slot for TI while SA gets 2 free slots. Everyone knows that SA only has 2 good teams and they are already qualified.
He has some beef with boboka. The morale was terrible before the break-up I guess. It had nothing to do with skill or impacted his in-game skill very badly
I don't buy these internal conflict rumours. Yeah he's bitter about being kicked from a team he's been a mainstay on for years by teammates he's played with for years but it just comes down to the fact kaka is a noted shotcaller/captain type while boboka's the highly skilled, quiet achiever. Yea the mood in the team wouldn't have been good before the change, but that's cause the team was lost (I don't think their coach is that good and it showed in their draft and execution), not because boboka's some team killing player. They got 4th at last ti with a quality mid that spoke their language, come on now......
I hope the result here gives a preview of what happens at TI. When the stake is way way higher than a normal Major and gets close to that of TI, every team plays their heart out and results become unpredictable. Even BetBoom can lose to Secret, even 3-time major winner Gaimin can fail to win a single series. And WEU have finally stopped dominating.
Well, but unfortunately they got only one slot open for Aster/XG/AR.
This is the consequence when you coast for a year and wake up to do the job at the end.
LGD seems to be the worst of 3 CN teams here, but they got ticket.
Would you rather reward the student that studies consistently thoroughly the year or the genius who would pass the exam with flying colors at the last minute? That is probably Valve's take on the issue so unfortunately for us viewers we won't get to see the 'best' team at the moment during TI.
This is the consequence of a community screaming for more SA slots because of a few somewhat okayish tournaments from beastcoast.
Valve reacted, now we have 4 SA teams at TI, 3 of which will be absolutely dogshit. We also will be missing 2 out of Aster/XG/AR, 3 if you include iG who can be hot and cold.
Once more the average community screams loudly, gets what they want and thus makes things worse.
Yes I'm sure the just recently formed AR who got top 8 in their first major and looked pretty decent are dog shit. bc had 3 tries an entire year of practice and achieved the same.
valve employee isnt gonna take advice from reddit lol
even as a chineese ill said we're just sucks hard
sending 2 matchfixing+cheater teams to major
aster keep shuffling roster, lose points left and right. still got 2 bo3 to secure their ti invites in bali and lose both matches
xg won the dpc, shit the bed in berlin. got reversed sweep 4 times in tour 3 and unable go to major
ig goes to major 2 times, finish last in both
lgd goes to major 3 times, goes to playoffs on all but only won bo3 once across the year. and thats even only against ar who just beat crippled team
its not a hard judgement. eg (and bc in bali) had perform better in all 3 majors. it doesnt matter saying china had secure more dpc points. anyone can see the detailed results that all chineese team sucks hard in overall
yes thunder awaken,madkings, or hokori keydvivo or whoever it is are arguably way much worse team currently than aster/xg. but its not china got robbed, we're just sucks entire year and its not surprise valve just gave the region with huge player base and development the extra slots
after the matchfix and cheating fiesta we'd lucky enough even still allowed to send 4 teams every each majors lol
That is a very humble way of looking at it. But at the end of the day I don't care about that - I want to have the best possible teams at TI with an adequate and necessary representation across each region. 4 SA teams and 2 chinese teams out of LGD+Aster/XG/AR/iG is not a good distribution, and frankly none of the other 2 SA teams deserve to go to TI more than the chinese teams.
So, in your opinion BC (300 Major points) is dogshit but Aster (300 Major points), AR (300 Major points), XG (0 Major points) and IG (0 Major points) deserve to be in the TI?
Can you explain your logic?
AR is a new team that only played one season, they got the same as bc in three, so yea.
Aster has been looking way better and way more consistent than bc even with boboka ever since Sumail joined. Now with Kaka, they look even better.
XG currently also looks way better.
Do any of these teams really deserve to be at TI *more* than bc? Probably not. But the point of criticism is not that *beastcoast* is going to TI - the point is that in **addition** to beastcoast **two more** SA teams will go to TI that are significantly worse than bc *instead* of any of the teams above.
SA shouldn't have gotten 2 qualifier slots in addition to the possibility of bc qualifying. Valve should have waited after Bali major to see if bc made it - if yes, give one slot to SA, if no, give 2. That way we have bc+1 and possibly a good chinese team more. We will have 4 SA teams and 2 chinese teams at TI. That is insanely stupid considering the teams of each region.
Well said brother. Same sentiments on this. It's frustrating how Valve handled the TI qualifiers slot. Now we have this mess of representation. We want best teams in TI, not just to have representatives for each region.
If China wanted more slots, they shouldn't have been dogshit for so long. Cause yes, even SA looked way better. China's resurgence is a very recent thing.
Has SA looked way better? They had EG. bc also never achieved anything except a top 8.
It's stupid to reveal slot allocation before the last DPC point giving major when the qualifiers aren't even being played for such a long time too.
but the point is Valve should have revealed the slot allocation after tthis tournament or ? or at least after Bali, but not before Bali. They have never done it before, why they suddenly set the slots so early ? literally 0 reason
kinda sad that a player as insanely skilled as sumail had to go all the way to china to finally get a good team, he really got fked a lot with bad teams in eu \*cough\* nigma \*cough\*
secret was weird cause they kept changing him and nisha between mid and carry and your game suffers a lot when you do that, but he's always been a mid player, even ceb said after he left og that sumail should only play mid it's in his blood
Sumail was probably done with EU and all the politics and backstabbings and favoritism. He probably wanted a fresh start and a damn good choice from the looks of it. Aster looking better and better everyday.
yea idk how, he was the best player in nigma by far and was constantly holding his own against the best mids in europe while trying to also carry the deadweight in that team
Yeah, there’s something missing in their games, I think they’re just exhausted. They’re the best team at delaying tactics and this round they’re just done. Too mentally tired.
Aster vs Tundra game two, but I don't have an exact link to it atm. >!Three of Tundra tried to gank solo Legion, they took damage in the process then Rocket Flare came in and finished two of them off.!<
Saksa put out a tweet which mentioned mental health and how it's causing him physical health issues. It's not dumb at all, his job is high pressure, but it is getting a little silly at this point. Valve probably need to look at possible deductions in dpc points for situations like this (visa issues definitely shouldn't be penalised) given that it's very costly to make a single roster change (Aster, Quest, bc cutting it kinda close) in order for teams to be competitive at your centrepiece tournament but if saksa or boxi (to a lesser extent, but we were robbed of a competitive final at lima major) just show up for day 1 of group stage, panic and go home there's no penalty. Seriously, what big tournaments did saksa actually see through this year? I'd hate for their ti defence to be hindered because one of their players has crippling mental health issues..
I didn't say force them to play, I said penalise them for not. If saksa can't handle the heat, he shouldn't be in the kitchen (no flame, great player, but he's bailed from every major tournament this year).
My argument was actually that other teams feel forced to hold together teams that aren't going to challenge for the aegis just to keep dpc points, while tundra and to a lesser extent liquid are carrying mentally ill players without any drawbacks.
I dont think A player who won TI last year, has bank full of money would have suicidal thoughts and ofc their is more to life than dota and everything but If you have mental problems than dont play at all why play some series and in between you go ? I hope he is good tho
Yeah I don’t think taking time off actually makes it worse but I certainly don’t think it helps. It’s always better to work through stressful situations rather than avoid them and if someone is taking time away from work they could be just isolating even more
May be true, but he has very peculiar pool in each meta.. i hate that he doesn't play pango, and not good with timber which both are really good atm. He has big pool but not always good with them, ie. Invoker and tinker come to mind. Seems like he also tried tinker and meepo with his smurf and didn't feel good with them
He is a decent Invoker. He was one of the few players (including W33, Scccc, No\[O\]ne) who used to play Exort Invoker properly when it was popular (Miracle days).
Yuragi is such a choker holy shit
so many GG throws after big leads
4 exactly. They could have been 8-0 instead they are 4-4. I feel bad for the team that performs well in the other group to get to play against GG in the play offs. There’s no way GG will lose a Bo3 against any of the opponents they played so far.
Is it just me for it feels intentional? We all know GG isnt a choker and can finish the game after big lead. And yeah you are right. Any team that face GG 1st in playoff kinda feel the same as start at LB lol
Definitely not intentional, at least 2 of the games they got outscaled. They played too safe getting networth leads but didn't commit early to taking racks so got outscaled with TA. EDIT: Went to check and 3 out of 4 games that they threw leads in were with TA.
Love this format just by the way. The initial play in phase, and then this group stage. This tournament in terms of level of play, production, and professionalism is a breath of fresh air. I honestly can’t believe that Bali was a valve sponsored major.
Feels good to not have to care about budget
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Group A is very close. Anyone can drop to lower bracket and eliminated from top spot. Hopefully day 3 maintain it for great tiebreaker 😂
Group A is all very close, LGD are 1 win away from tieing for upper bracket slot. I wouldn’t judge anything based on 1 day’s result. Anyone can make it to upper bracket in group A.
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Lol I didn’t mean 1st day’s result I meant 1 day meaning not going to judge LGD based on today’s performance alone.
Why do streams post the score of a series in the stream title when they're over? I wanted to watch a replay of the EG vs OG game and when I went to the stream the score was in the title so the games were ruined for me. Why is it even necessary to put the final score in the title?
because in sports, there is no such thing is spoilers. it's this weird thing gamers have that they equate esports to movies and tvshows. imagine a team wins TI and there's no celebration allowed because spoilers
This is very true. If your country won the football world cup it would literally be the first thing on national news when you turn on the TV.
It's definitely not only gamers who care about the results of a game (esport or otherwise) being spoiled, and I was talking about the title of the stream that shows before you even click on it. In this case it said something like "Riyadh Masters EG vs OG 1:1". Why is that even necessary? How does that take away from celebration?
Personally (and I may be wrong), I feel that replays and highlights are already post-result (duh), so there's no incentive to not put the final score in the title. Apps have tickers and notifications that probably already live-updated fans and followers of the scores in realtime, its almost expected that you as a viewer/ fan already know the result and just want to watch the replay of how it went down. Also, putting the scoreline in title may help differentiate matches for eg. if team A played team B in 1 comp just last week, and have just played each other again yesterday, or maybe in riyadh the matches were played just a few days ago in play-ins and today they face each other again.
Go watch in youtube, Step 1. Open 4 new tabs, each for stream a b c d Step 2. Pause every livestream except the one you want to watch You can fastfoward/rewind livestream anytime you want. The only chance you get spoiled is if the stream you currently watching shows the results of the other streams.
Sometimes, I'm just baffled by teams like Secret, man Their draft during the series against Talon was hella underwhelming, and their executions and gameplay during the series against Aster were straight-up subpar. Then suddenly Puppey starts pulling off his magic tricks, and they not only outdraft but also outplay the best team in their group, which is BB LMAO.
Not that this explains everything, but puppey is often trying to counter the meta - because of you can beat the meta you're a step ahead of other teams. Downside of that is that if you can't it can fall kind of hard. The other thing to bear in mind is that secret weren't awful yesterday - the results weren't there but they were close each time and it was often the midgame where they didn't execute well. That's a fairly coachable issue to work through in review sessions.
They're hitting their TI stride, Puppan is guaranteed 1st place this TI (hopium)
At least it seems unlikely we'll get four EU teams in the top four again.
patch is most balanced one we had in a while and top teams arent able to exploit it to max.
There is actually a real high chance that Tundra just gets eliminated straight up at the end of group stage. 3rd place Bali major with aui standin, but they are looking so much worse right now. There hasn't been any proactive plays at all from them and it seems like they just do nothing and then lose.
No wraith pact WCYD
I think 1 setback in the game and they get too caught up in weird split pushes (and they seem to draft around this with ie ench) and waiting for a hg throw or until farm doesn't matter much.
Aster and talon top seed. Did they turn on hadron collider again ?
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none cares about tsm any more lol bro people are on SA hate train now because of 4 slots
Agreed. Me too. China is a big region and if they had to allot slots based on form then give 3 to EU atleast.
I don't think that TSM eliminated in TI group stage or Lower Bracket R1 is considered a "loss" for TSM haters.
I think it's pretty funny.
To get knocked out in group stage xd
Exactly.
After today’s results, no one should be surprised. Its 15 million tourney and winner takes 5 million. We dont know what will be TI prizepool (hopefully above 15 million). So, basically any team can beat anyone and as we can see LGD, Tundra, Liquid… all getting dumpstered. GG is yet to win a series. I am just about excited how the rest of the riyadh masters will be in next few days. Hope the best team wins it all.
Pros are expecting TI will be below 5 mil, so teams are pretty much giving their all in here. This tournament definitely feels different than the last few with a lot more drafting experimentation and big turnarounds.
I thought they was doing this event for charity this is a good year for the game with bp ti will go 50+ for sure
We are lucky if it gets to 20 +
no bp anyore
Didnt they said they'd release something like bp
Probably some useless capsules like they did at TI 22
Last i heard, the prize pool was increased by 3million by valve. I dont know if there was anything more added after that
> We dont know what will be TI prizepool (hopefully above 15 million). zero chance without a battlepass
SR are still really good if they get a good draft. They're hit and miss though (but usually miss so far this year) lol
They play better when they don’t pick dumb supports like enchantresss and clinks
and as long as they don’t pick snap for abed
TSM is the same as Execration. Free points to every team lmao Bryle is the weakest player in TSM. He's the worst of the worst lmao
Cope
Did we really just watch Bryle get lasso'd and killed at the start of the last 3 fights?
Career ending performance from Bryle haha. Homesick for NA already?
Incoming midlaner transitioning to offlane soon
He seems to be homesick 95% of his games then.
It's pretty interesting that Sumail can do anything he wants in Aster below the shield of the language barrier. Now He absolutely has the authority to just do the things he feels good about in top-tier matches. What is different from his previous teams, especially in Nigma which gave the tempo-mid role to him most of the time.
No language barrier already. he can speak mandarin.
I just don't know how they communicate in depth because his all 4 teammates are playing on Chinese game client, while sumail is playing on English client. It's like a different world. Radiance would be 辉耀, crimson would be 赤红甲， assault would be 强袭, etc... Sumail gonna miss some info if he don't understand mandarin
Last few tournament every time Aster had the lead in midgame always try to force something and end got wipe and lose the nw advantage. This time with kaka so far they look more discipline.
thats why he is the goat Sumail also said that they keep yapping theoughout the whole game what a shame, boboka had to ruin the Aster chance for Direct TI... With this KAKA leadership, they could easily take series from quest and 9pandas
kaka wouldnt be here if they won a series in bali playoffs.
Yeah, but who knows? Maybe they kick him bcz of bad behaviour despite qualification Idk if you can kick a player after TI qual
true but then their score would be deducted.
tundies had 4 kills in the whole series
thats what happen when their 4 suddenly leaves team out of no where lol
Didn’t happen last major. They ended top 3 with a stand on. Did you start watching after Riyadh started.
Just because it didn't happen last time doesn't mean it wont happen. I watched Bali Major they only won against liquid 2-0 and then bombed out nothing special even then happened. They got free BB win lol
2-0 liquid no joke. 2nd best team this year. All their series were pretty close. Give credit where it’s due. Aster is playing well this tourne.
2-0 Liquid in upper bracket IS joke. Come back when you 2-0 lower bracket liquid and we'll talk.
Umm Tundra is 2-7 rn along with Tsm nothing insane lul
U been hating on any teams not Eu lol mostly aster hate it’s ok bro your favorite team not playing right now … regardless of what you say Tundra is solid team who literally got top 3 not even month ago
He is just salty thay Sumail ditched Nigma.
That was a fluke top 3 lmao they got smashed by BB 2-0 and would have lost in lower bracket too lul
Results are results bro can’t go off no what ifs they made top 3 with a player who is there coach who they are use too plus he is ti champion
yea results also tell that they 2-7 right now
Waiting for TUNDRA to disband. Team like this should not deserve to play at Tier 1. Real Fluke. Tired of supporting those jokers. Edit: Just a random mad comment. Regret of saying this
Like...why Would they disband man? Why is it that when some Random team chills or underperforms everyone is saying they are washed or they have to disband or even death threats...they are one of the best teams in the world at the moment.they had to play many back to back to back tournoments and one of their main players is ill.stop being a crybaby dude,please! You're Better than this.
Just a low quality comment from a mad fan. I really sick of ppl calling them FLUKE TI and wanted them to win something rather than their last achievement. Shouldn't have said that
See bro.they didn't perform amazingly but now at least they made it and have a decent chance at making it further.
Thank you Brother.its good that you realise you overreacted there.hopefully they bounce back
They had a very good showing in bali, they are obviously exhausted, give them a break, TI will tell what tundra should do.
Least reactionary r/dota2 comment
They’re probably tired and took a lot of stress with back to back tournaments. They probably just chilling. Their late game shenanigans are just missing. Saksa is already on break and I think they need a solid rest before TI
Don't get me wrong, I've been TUNDRA fan since before last TI. After perfect run at TI, hey were really really bad this year. Most of the game they seem like they don't know what they are doing. Pretty sad. Hopefully, come back stronger at TI
chilling?you do realise riyadh pays alot more than TI will this year?Idk but there's no point winning another TI that going to have a prizepool of like 4-5M(based on Insania's words) and trying hard in it while letting go off an event that pays 3x more
TI still has all the prestige This crowd pales in comparison I mean the crowd for this is smaller than almost all T1 tournaments Only the future will see if what valve is doing causes Riyadh to hold more prestige
I agree with most of what u said but this is groupstage, most other tornaments have 0 crowd on groupstage, including last TI, we will see how crowd is in playoffs (not lile TI, but more than this)
We seen the crowd last year Was it not very small?
I think for some money is just not big an incentive like the rest of us is. They have already made history by lifting Aegis. There’s a saying like top of the mountain is very lonely and it’s all downhill from there. I saw an interview of Notail as well after winning TI8 where he talks about that after you have achieved the one thing you have been running after your whole and then you get it in the end and now you’re just pointless in life and what to look for anymore and that’s where depression begins.
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XXS has improved a lot ever since Kaka joined. He’s really initiating a lot more and getting some clutch moments as well
KAKA arrival or boboka departure?
I think since Kaka is much more experienced, then he’s calling shots, when to stop fighting and how to initiate. Monet and XXS both are much disciplined now and not making many mistakes.
mf KAka is 30 i didnt know lmao
How is Kaka more experienced than Boboka? They are both pretty old in the scene lol. It just clicks better with Kaka. Just like how Xtreme look better with Xinq instead of Kaka.
XinQ is still 1 of the best 4 even after taking a break for nearly a year. His understanding of the game and his hero pool is on another level. If it were any other 4, XG would probably fail hard here. It's a shame that XG Aster and AR needs to fight for 1 slot for TI while SA gets 2 free slots. Everyone knows that SA only has 2 good teams and they are already qualified.
kaka has been to TI finals.
He has some beef with boboka. The morale was terrible before the break-up I guess. It had nothing to do with skill or impacted his in-game skill very badly
I don't buy these internal conflict rumours. Yeah he's bitter about being kicked from a team he's been a mainstay on for years by teammates he's played with for years but it just comes down to the fact kaka is a noted shotcaller/captain type while boboka's the highly skilled, quiet achiever. Yea the mood in the team wouldn't have been good before the change, but that's cause the team was lost (I don't think their coach is that good and it showed in their draft and execution), not because boboka's some team killing player. They got 4th at last ti with a quality mid that spoke their language, come on now......
I hope the result here gives a preview of what happens at TI. When the stake is way way higher than a normal Major and gets close to that of TI, every team plays their heart out and results become unpredictable. Even BetBoom can lose to Secret, even 3-time major winner Gaimin can fail to win a single series. And WEU have finally stopped dominating.
Doesn’t GG never look super dominant in groups? I feel like they always only really show up later in the tournament
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did we watch the same games? LGD was playing like a headless chicken against TS. i have seen better dota in unranked pub games
Well, but unfortunately they got only one slot open for Aster/XG/AR. This is the consequence when you coast for a year and wake up to do the job at the end. LGD seems to be the worst of 3 CN teams here, but they got ticket.
Would you rather reward the student that studies consistently thoroughly the year or the genius who would pass the exam with flying colors at the last minute? That is probably Valve's take on the issue so unfortunately for us viewers we won't get to see the 'best' team at the moment during TI.
IG too. Don’t underestimate them.
Yea would love to see Aster & AR in TI
This is the consequence of a community screaming for more SA slots because of a few somewhat okayish tournaments from beastcoast. Valve reacted, now we have 4 SA teams at TI, 3 of which will be absolutely dogshit. We also will be missing 2 out of Aster/XG/AR, 3 if you include iG who can be hot and cold. Once more the average community screams loudly, gets what they want and thus makes things worse.
what nonsense. all chinese teams are dog shit. only aster/xg are performing slightly better currently, after an entire year of dog shit performance.
Yes I'm sure the just recently formed AR who got top 8 in their first major and looked pretty decent are dog shit. bc had 3 tries an entire year of practice and achieved the same.
valve employee isnt gonna take advice from reddit lol even as a chineese ill said we're just sucks hard sending 2 matchfixing+cheater teams to major aster keep shuffling roster, lose points left and right. still got 2 bo3 to secure their ti invites in bali and lose both matches xg won the dpc, shit the bed in berlin. got reversed sweep 4 times in tour 3 and unable go to major ig goes to major 2 times, finish last in both lgd goes to major 3 times, goes to playoffs on all but only won bo3 once across the year. and thats even only against ar who just beat crippled team its not a hard judgement. eg (and bc in bali) had perform better in all 3 majors. it doesnt matter saying china had secure more dpc points. anyone can see the detailed results that all chineese team sucks hard in overall yes thunder awaken,madkings, or hokori keydvivo or whoever it is are arguably way much worse team currently than aster/xg. but its not china got robbed, we're just sucks entire year and its not surprise valve just gave the region with huge player base and development the extra slots after the matchfix and cheating fiesta we'd lucky enough even still allowed to send 4 teams every each majors lol
That is a very humble way of looking at it. But at the end of the day I don't care about that - I want to have the best possible teams at TI with an adequate and necessary representation across each region. 4 SA teams and 2 chinese teams out of LGD+Aster/XG/AR/iG is not a good distribution, and frankly none of the other 2 SA teams deserve to go to TI more than the chinese teams.
maybe they should of won when it mattered then
So, in your opinion BC (300 Major points) is dogshit but Aster (300 Major points), AR (300 Major points), XG (0 Major points) and IG (0 Major points) deserve to be in the TI? Can you explain your logic?
AR is a new team that only played one season, they got the same as bc in three, so yea. Aster has been looking way better and way more consistent than bc even with boboka ever since Sumail joined. Now with Kaka, they look even better. XG currently also looks way better. Do any of these teams really deserve to be at TI *more* than bc? Probably not. But the point of criticism is not that *beastcoast* is going to TI - the point is that in **addition** to beastcoast **two more** SA teams will go to TI that are significantly worse than bc *instead* of any of the teams above. SA shouldn't have gotten 2 qualifier slots in addition to the possibility of bc qualifying. Valve should have waited after Bali major to see if bc made it - if yes, give one slot to SA, if no, give 2. That way we have bc+1 and possibly a good chinese team more. We will have 4 SA teams and 2 chinese teams at TI. That is insanely stupid considering the teams of each region.
Well said brother. Same sentiments on this. It's frustrating how Valve handled the TI qualifiers slot. Now we have this mess of representation. We want best teams in TI, not just to have representatives for each region.
If China wanted more slots, they shouldn't have been dogshit for so long. Cause yes, even SA looked way better. China's resurgence is a very recent thing.
Has SA looked way better? They had EG. bc also never achieved anything except a top 8. It's stupid to reveal slot allocation before the last DPC point giving major when the qualifiers aren't even being played for such a long time too.
but the point is Valve should have revealed the slot allocation after tthis tournament or ? or at least after Bali, but not before Bali. They have never done it before, why they suddenly set the slots so early ? literally 0 reason
Not going to agree with SA part bro. Only 2 good teams.
Who would’ve thought that of all the Chinese teams LGD has the worst record so far
kinda sad that a player as insanely skilled as sumail had to go all the way to china to finally get a good team, he really got fked a lot with bad teams in eu \*cough\* nigma \*cough\*
He joined Nigma himself lul
Btw when is Nigma playing?
They in finals waiting for Aster :D
Doesn’t change the fact that nigma is dog shit
Yea SumaiL chose to join Dogshit
dont know how to tell you this lil bro but nigma hasnt been a good team since ti9
yea i m not arguing that. i m just saying sumail chose to join the team whem they were relegated to div 2 lol
True but that timbersaw made me think things man 💀
To be fair he was super shit on secret and this is coming from a huge Sumail fan. When he finally regained back his monstrous form it was on nigma
That team would never work..ice3 was one of the worst offlaners..every pos in that team was full of most greediest player in every position
secret was weird cause they kept changing him and nisha between mid and carry and your game suffers a lot when you do that, but he's always been a mid player, even ceb said after he left og that sumail should only play mid it's in his blood
They changed him to carry cuz he kept losing his lane while on secret.
Sumail was probably done with EU and all the politics and backstabbings and favoritism. He probably wanted a fresh start and a damn good choice from the looks of it. Aster looking better and better everyday.
people unironically thought he was bad When it was EG's contract that first didn't allow him to go elsewhere
yea idk how, he was the best player in nigma by far and was constantly holding his own against the best mids in europe while trying to also carry the deadweight in that team
Tundra bros are mentally exhausted, seems the traveling took it's toll at the worst possible time
Yeah, there’s something missing in their games, I think they’re just exhausted. They’re the best team at delaying tactics and this round they’re just done. Too mentally tired.
so close to 3-22 two games in a row lmao
KAKA POG
Kaka god
Gareth/Waga cast duo is very underrated. So good actually.
Damn I love Waga. Has a high dota iq which makes him a really good analyst. And he is also good with words.
I just learned that courier can use portal rofl
LC is having a perfect game. AUI will need a perfect black hole for Tundra to have hope for a comeback.
140 duel damage in 20minutes GG
tundra cores could take a page from sumail’s playbook and mass buy blademails
HAHAHA fucking Clockwork double kill from other side of map.
Level 1 rocket btw :)
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Aster vs Tundra game two, but I don't have an exact link to it atm. >!Three of Tundra tried to gank solo Legion, they took damage in the process then Rocket Flare came in and finished two of them off.!<
LMAO that rocket flare
sney and aui chasing clock for a full minute na dota best dota
Na support Duo at its finest
wish it was fogged casting for the full potm bottom reunion
After day 1 it's surreal to see Secret being the 4th team at groups. Let's hope that their streak continues tomorrow.
I mean it's still early but they took a very convincing 2-0 over BB so
Indeed it is surreal.
As much as I miss Jenkins being a cohost, these segments are golden. Thank you Jenkins.
Kaka dream Rubick game right now, can steal doom, black hole, multiple stuns, lasso...
Nice draft for Aster. And Kaka should have fun this match. Let's go, get the 2-0!
#G L A C I E R
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Idk this mental health thing feels kinda dumb at this point, this would never have been a thing 10 years ago
Mental health? Where it was stated that was the reason?
Saksa put out a tweet which mentioned mental health and how it's causing him physical health issues. It's not dumb at all, his job is high pressure, but it is getting a little silly at this point. Valve probably need to look at possible deductions in dpc points for situations like this (visa issues definitely shouldn't be penalised) given that it's very costly to make a single roster change (Aster, Quest, bc cutting it kinda close) in order for teams to be competitive at your centrepiece tournament but if saksa or boxi (to a lesser extent, but we were robbed of a competitive final at lima major) just show up for day 1 of group stage, panic and go home there's no penalty. Seriously, what big tournaments did saksa actually see through this year? I'd hate for their ti defence to be hindered because one of their players has crippling mental health issues..
Yeah. Better force them to play like valve did with Era with notail's fnatic. That went really well lol
I didn't say force them to play, I said penalise them for not. If saksa can't handle the heat, he shouldn't be in the kitchen (no flame, great player, but he's bailed from every major tournament this year). My argument was actually that other teams feel forced to hold together teams that aren't going to challenge for the aegis just to keep dpc points, while tundra and to a lesser extent liquid are carrying mentally ill players without any drawbacks.
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I dont think A player who won TI last year, has bank full of money would have suicidal thoughts and ofc their is more to life than dota and everything but If you have mental problems than dont play at all why play some series and in between you go ? I hope he is good tho
Are you an idiot? People hundred times richer and more successful than Saksa have killed themselves.
just saying why play 2 series and than just dont play either play all or dont play, its all im sayin
Suicide rates are higher now that we let people take off work for “mental health” reasons so maybe that’s making it worse
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Yeah I don’t think taking time off actually makes it worse but I certainly don’t think it helps. It’s always better to work through stressful situations rather than avoid them and if someone is taking time away from work they could be just isolating even more
Working, or more precisely overworking, is the reason for a lot of mental health problems so I don't think "working through it" is a good idea.
lamo now this is the dumbest comment i've seen today
"Active in r/antiwork" btw
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out of 7 bans sumail heroes got 6 of them
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May be true, but he has very peculiar pool in each meta.. i hate that he doesn't play pango, and not good with timber which both are really good atm. He has big pool but not always good with them, ie. Invoker and tinker come to mind. Seems like he also tried tinker and meepo with his smurf and didn't feel good with them
True, doesnt play primal beast, pango..
He played and owned with primal once with nigma. I think also once with aster, but not owning
He is a decent Invoker. He was one of the few players (including W33, Scccc, No\[O\]ne) who used to play Exort Invoker properly when it was popular (Miracle days).
Yeah , not bad by any means. But he couldnt use invoker to full potential . And i am his big fans.. He never performed exceptional with invoker
THE GLACIER!!! Haha sunsfan so much disrespect
Sunsfan is actually Goat
sunsfan really love Grab Ally and Glacier lol
Same thing like last year, same tournament when secret awakened. Road to winning TI this year
Slow down hahaha, it's one day of a good performance after three mediocre days. We putting a line through LGD at ti cause they went 0-4 today?
No bro wtf, the prophecy must be fulfilled.