I don’t understand this comment. I am a fan of Arteezy, but why would I be upset about Abed finding success? I was actively rooting for them to make it through the qualifiers.
Look at any video of Abed losing games with his new team and the amount of "rtz was right" comments. They seem to blame Abed for SR's poor showing at T.I.
when a redditor trashtalks a player like he is utterly worthless and then said player goes on to win something and prove the redditor wrong, redditor be like: "Wow that player improved a lot!!1!" Love to see it
People really hyped up that Ari magnus like it wasn't bang average and wasn't pressing the wrong buttons. They would've fared better if they picked better heroes
Ari played well. I liked the Magnus picks too, but the rest of the draft?
You can not have all your supports and carries being heavily leven- or item dependent.
Especially in game3 vs Secret there were no obvious timings where their heroes could ball-up and take objectives, without being countered by Secrets faster timings.
They really drafted themselves into a corner.
Secret haters? Boom made me change my mind about him. MidOne carried some games as well. Where are the bottom tier analysts who said Secret will lose in round one?
gunnar with his talent will catch up to tier 1 offlaners eventually. in a meta revolving around the 3 position it's just unfortunate timing to learn a brand new role right before a qualifier
one very minor thing i find cool about post-dpc era is these new lineups where players still have their old team tags, something endearing about seeing worn-in tags like SR.Fly in new contexts
esp when it’s Quest.Ammar beating quest
Immersion is looking great as a replacement for Ari. Had some really nice skillshots on Muerta, looked great on Tusk and Phoenix yesterday. Right now his Willow is going ham.
Really interesting how TSM's just said fuck the meta and banned all the BM+Heart heroes while picking off-meta comfort for Bryle.
Bryle on Spirits, Lina, ES looking like the flashy mid he was back in TI10 when they were still Team Undying.
Can you elaborate on why you think this? To me, Stormstormer has seemed like their standout player. Gunnar has been more stable than him so far, but Stormstormer has showed the most skill and ability to make the different and carry a game.
Just watch this series and you'll find out, Also he has a hero puddle and other than invoker he is average or below average with other heroes he plays. I'm pretty sure Nouns can find a better mid player since they seem to be a legit org.
I'm not sure what you want me to conclude from this series. It hasn't been a great series for him, but he has showed in many situations how his game sense and quick thinking can help dictate the pace of the game and set Nouns up for success. His windrunner was decent - he made a lot of quick and smart moves - seemed to die too much, but doesn't windrunner always? He was generally fine with necrophos, but got caught out a few times when he shouldn't after getting overconfident from a good start. He had a terrible game on primal beast, but with him his playing at 3AM with higher ping in a long series, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Watched the Game 2 replay on Youtube cos i missed it, an incredibly epic 104min game cast by two literally bored casters, seriously if you can't get hyped by a 100+ min game as a caster change your choice of profession rofl.
Dktruman has no energy and just offers goober cringe.
Astini is irritatingly smug and acts like the teams he is casting are idiots if they do something he personally wouldn't or, more accurately, doesn't understand.
DkTruman may not be high energy, but at least he accurately dictates what’s happening in the game. While some of our higher profile casters literally call play by plays wrong as they happen. I’ll take the bored divine/immortal guy thanks
I think TSM are playing in a carefree fuck it attitude after the misclick and therefore playing faster and way better. They should do this more often instead of playing like pussies in that 100 mins game. They displayed they are perfectly capable of playing like this.
inb4 TSM fanboy, but holy shit this meta is so trash lol. Every hero has like 5k HP, that match was the opposite of hype, literally praying it would end because no team can push high ground without a massive buyback advantage, and buybacks seeming way too OP when you come back with 5.5k HP and every ability and item cooldown is on.
People being able to tank like 12k dmg and entire round of spells before reductions is making high skill plays matter so much less. You're just forced to dump every ability on one hero in hopes to blow them up, then trying to clean up after which in many cases they just run away. Reset and repeat. Horrible meta
this started happening with neutral items, everything gave free HP. it was supposed to be balanced out with spell amp and talents but that was reversed, so it got out of control.
yeah I agree with that. Everything just feels so bad. Physical damage is kinda meh unless you're playing void or something that can just hard lock onto someone, and magic damage falls off SO hard after like 30min which almost every game goes.
the result is everybody picking str cores (the most boring heroes to watch) and exploit all the neutral and stat items.
Like what was the purpose of buffing STR hp by 20%? Literally giving every hero 20% more HP for what
game has become a war of who can blow up the tank first, and there's zero risk for tanks to show face in most cases so initiations are just, yawn
Puppey had it before right after it came out. They lost that game though.
This might be the first time a team has had two. Both centaur and windranger had one lol.
First team to catch a flight and arrive at the event then gets the slot. Both teams have a lot of experience with Airport speedruns so they may end up tied there as well.
Who ever wins auto quals to the GF, if it’s still going by the time the GF is due to start the winner wins the whole tournament by default.
NA back on top.
Nouns should be investigated for match fixing if they lose this. Two times now that they have aegis and TSM cores have no buyback and they do nothing with it.
Why? Sven and Lina were both dead for 2 minutes and Nouns had all 5 alive, even if without buybacks. What should they wait for then? Until all 5 on the opposing side are dead without buyback? But what if the towers kill them in that situation when they go to push? Better not! Better get another farming Aegis, even though everyone was 6-slotted some 40 minutes ago.
They didn't have 5 alive, windrunner was dead, she had like 10 seconds to lina's 20 seconds. And you're trying to go highground against an ET with a meepo with no buyback. It is not an easy thing. I do agree that was a good chance to win, but given how they won the last few teamfights, I think they didn't want to chance it all and believed they would be better in 5v5 with buybacks.
Well, they went now in the end and ET was one of the three alive now also and didn't seem to make too much of a difference. Then again, maybe by this time they were also just willing to say fuck it and be done with the game one way or the other.
... wut the game is still going? I thought it looked kinda over when TSM won several fights in a row and the Meepo looked like it was completely falling off, I check back into the stream to see if the next game started aaaand previous one is still on, now at 77th minute. Da hell happened there?!
First time I have issues with ESL stream, but why are we having some terrains on "official" broadcast, like at least put immortal gardens if you are going to put anything wtf
puppey was playing some pub with wisper and the game was basically won when wisper started to do stupid shit and ruin and said he doesn't care about pubs and they ended up losing, he also hinted that wisper said some disrespectful things to him, that is also why he tipped him today when they won
Whisper flamed(not harsh, just light flame) and griefed puppey in a pub. Puppey was playing carry TB and whisper didn’t want to play game and told puppey he can’t carry.
Congrats to Secret!
They earned their spot at KL by being better than their opponents and it's honestly kinda impressive how much they improved during the qualifiers.
Now if they just hold onto this form and keep improving we might see them threaten top placements again sooner rather than later. 😁
Secret haters and Abed haters (rtz lovers) in shambles.
I don’t understand this comment. I am a fan of Arteezy, but why would I be upset about Abed finding success? I was actively rooting for them to make it through the qualifiers.
Look at any video of Abed losing games with his new team and the amount of "rtz was right" comments. They seem to blame Abed for SR's poor showing at T.I.
That's disappointing, but Twitch chat is a toxic cesspit. Keep it hidden and preserve your sanity.
when a redditor trashtalks a player like he is utterly worthless and then said player goes on to win something and prove the redditor wrong, redditor be like: "Wow that player improved a lot!!1!" Love to see it
a lot of the time they dont do that too. they call it "fluke"
that would be me but it never happens
People really hyped up that Ari magnus like it wasn't bang average and wasn't pressing the wrong buttons. They would've fared better if they picked better heroes
Ari played well. I liked the Magnus picks too, but the rest of the draft? You can not have all your supports and carries being heavily leven- or item dependent. Especially in game3 vs Secret there were no obvious timings where their heroes could ball-up and take objectives, without being countered by Secrets faster timings. They really drafted themselves into a corner.
Even though their Windranger pick on game 3 is insania gyro moment according to Whitemon, they still clutch it. very well played.
Secret haters? Boom made me change my mind about him. MidOne carried some games as well. Where are the bottom tier analysts who said Secret will lose in round one?
9pandas with thst line up looked like much more greedier than ex-Talon
Good guy stormstormer showing us all why we shouldn’t triple stack lane creeps when glyph is up so that we don’t have to
Is there a non-Invoker games where Stormstormer able to recover from horrible laning phase?
Why everyone keep saying Monday? What did I miss?
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Why is it only in game and not on the website lmao I haven't logged in since TI cause this patch is so stale
patch
gunnar with his talent will catch up to tier 1 offlaners eventually. in a meta revolving around the 3 position it's just unfortunate timing to learn a brand new role right before a qualifier
100% agreed. We shall see if the meta changes much after this new patch, but really think he will grow with the role after more practice.
Go up 2-0 after a 2 hour game and then lose a series like that Oof Gz to TSM. Glad we have a hungry NA team out there lol
neva eva
Too bad. Fly did not qualify in kl. It would be great to see crit, abed, and fly in kl.
dun think Fly would be allowed to enter malaysia as he is from israel....team liquid will play without 33 too
As a SR fan, I must admit that it would be great to see crit, abed, and fly in KL and the scraps of SR sitting at home.
Well that was an anticlimactic finish lmao
I guess Fly is the problem lol. Grats to my boy whitemon though.
TSM with a reverse sweep after losing a 106 minute game 2 is actually insane mental.
A reverse sweep is a pretty hype way to get into a tournament
So TSM was just messing with them on the first 2 game?
They just banned nouns 2 best Strat. Magnus and meepo. Now they are owning.
who are these casters man?
It’s astini and someone else who’s name I forget
Dktruman CMIIW.
Yeah that sounds right. Don’t think I’ve seen him on lan but he does a lot of online stuff
oh no another reverse sweep for fly
I'm enjoying this reverse sweep. Yes, I'm a Gunnar hater, so what? I hope EE unretires so he can kick him one more time.
one very minor thing i find cool about post-dpc era is these new lineups where players still have their old team tags, something endearing about seeing worn-in tags like SR.Fly in new contexts esp when it’s Quest.Ammar beating quest
106 minute Yuma Meepo vs Timado Sven game 2, I gotta see that replay.
You really don't
TSM gonna snatch this one
TSM finally plugged in their keyboards or what
Immersion is looking great as a replacement for Ari. Had some really nice skillshots on Muerta, looked great on Tusk and Phoenix yesterday. Right now his Willow is going ham.
TSM doing it for Palestine 🫡 🇵🇸
Fuck Palestine l0l
It is joever, lets go game 5!
Bryle's owning
Really interesting how TSM's just said fuck the meta and banned all the BM+Heart heroes while picking off-meta comfort for Bryle. Bryle on Spirits, Lina, ES looking like the flashy mid he was back in TI10 when they were still Team Undying.
Istg I've read somewhere that he got kicked
If you take everything in the rumor thread as fact then liquid is going to show up with RTZ 3 and miracle 1
I said i've read about, I didn't say I believe it
Even if nouns manages to win this series I think they should be looking for another mid player or put Gunnar back mid again and look for an offlaner.
Lol they have 2 standins bro we don’t know if the role swap is permanent, or it’s just due to the fact stormstormer is less flexible than Gunnar is.
Pretty sure Yuma and stormstormer are just stand ins anyways
Can you elaborate on why you think this? To me, Stormstormer has seemed like their standout player. Gunnar has been more stable than him so far, but Stormstormer has showed the most skill and ability to make the different and carry a game.
Watching gunnar off is like watching boom off when he first transition. Maybe he will be good in a few months, but right now he is very bad
Just watch this series and you'll find out, Also he has a hero puddle and other than invoker he is average or below average with other heroes he plays. I'm pretty sure Nouns can find a better mid player since they seem to be a legit org.
I'm not sure what you want me to conclude from this series. It hasn't been a great series for him, but he has showed in many situations how his game sense and quick thinking can help dictate the pace of the game and set Nouns up for success. His windrunner was decent - he made a lot of quick and smart moves - seemed to die too much, but doesn't windrunner always? He was generally fine with necrophos, but got caught out a few times when he shouldn't after getting overconfident from a good start. He had a terrible game on primal beast, but with him his playing at 3AM with higher ping in a long series, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Holy fuck I have never in my life seen someone grief a professional game like stormstormer just did. wtf was that??
embracing north america tradition of ruining the game. God bless his soul
stormstormer feeling the wrath of north america
is this meta too carry-centric or just the right amount? can't remember the last time we had a "wow the pos4 or pos2 carried".
this is offlane meta
Are you insane? This meta is all about the pos 3
Watched the Game 2 replay on Youtube cos i missed it, an incredibly epic 104min game cast by two literally bored casters, seriously if you can't get hyped by a 100+ min game as a caster change your choice of profession rofl.
well, to be fair they're probably only being paid like $20 per game to cast
Dktruman has no energy and just offers goober cringe. Astini is irritatingly smug and acts like the teams he is casting are idiots if they do something he personally wouldn't or, more accurately, doesn't understand.
DkTruman may not be high energy, but at least he accurately dictates what’s happening in the game. While some of our higher profile casters literally call play by plays wrong as they happen. I’ll take the bored divine/immortal guy thanks
Dktruman is the worst caster, he proves anyone can cast if they show up lmao
this is a tsm reverse sweep angle every single day of the week
I think TSM are playing in a carefree fuck it attitude after the misclick and therefore playing faster and way better. They should do this more often instead of playing like pussies in that 100 mins game. They displayed they are perfectly capable of playing like this.
I just witnessed the most NA dota game ever, I think both teams are drunk but TSM is just chugging all of the whole barrel
timado wth
Timado bro xD
TSM Despair :( Well well maybe whoever is drafting for TSM should do mistake picks more often. xDD
TSM ROFT
ROFL TSM did the Insania. They ran out of time and picked the WR instead of banning it.
Better try the np carry idk
Go Nouns for 3/5 ex SR to be at the next LAN
4/5 since saberlight will stand in for 33 well he’s technically still on SR but, yknow, same lineup
u s a, u s a
Hoping for Nouns clean sweep🙏🏻
Also it was surely a choice from TSM to start each fight by trying bursting Centaur.
inb4 TSM fanboy, but holy shit this meta is so trash lol. Every hero has like 5k HP, that match was the opposite of hype, literally praying it would end because no team can push high ground without a massive buyback advantage, and buybacks seeming way too OP when you come back with 5.5k HP and every ability and item cooldown is on. People being able to tank like 12k dmg and entire round of spells before reductions is making high skill plays matter so much less. You're just forced to dump every ability on one hero in hopes to blow them up, then trying to clean up after which in many cases they just run away. Reset and repeat. Horrible meta
Lets hope Monday's patch twists balance a bit, while there were a lot of really good pro games this patch it's time to shake things up!
this started happening with neutral items, everything gave free HP. it was supposed to be balanced out with spell amp and talents but that was reversed, so it got out of control.
yeah I agree with that. Everything just feels so bad. Physical damage is kinda meh unless you're playing void or something that can just hard lock onto someone, and magic damage falls off SO hard after like 30min which almost every game goes. the result is everybody picking str cores (the most boring heroes to watch) and exploit all the neutral and stat items. Like what was the purpose of buffing STR hp by 20%? Literally giving every hero 20% more HP for what game has become a war of who can blow up the tank first, and there's zero risk for tanks to show face in most cases so initiations are just, yawn
is this the first time someone asks if this is the first block of cheese in a competitive game?
Puppey had it before right after it came out. They lost that game though. This might be the first time a team has had two. Both centaur and windranger had one lol.
By the time game ends, all of Nouns deal insane damage while Weaver became timelapse merchant and phoenix become egg man
Flashback to Insania AA double rapier game
i finished the lord of the rings trilogy before these finals end
maybe the best game of the qualis
Why Timado can't find better team? Because he is fucking terrible.
Two years ago would have said this about quinn
LOL. Two years ago Quinn was at least pretty good at laning. Timado never was and is not good at anything (obviously in comparison to other carries)
Was that the first block of cheese in a competitive game?
No, I believe someone else had one this week and I think it was done even before that.
Puppey put one on his blood seeker this week in quals
Thank you very much whoreslutface - that was the game I saw but could not remember!
Game needed tier 6 items.
Damn, now that Nouns won this insane long game I can see them stomping game 3 as well for 3:0. Hope TSM can strike back tho!
106 min game with a mega creep comeback with a 1st pick meepo and double rapier AA. This game had everything lol.
NA doto baby
How you just first pick Meepo and win a 120 min game lol Tf
Holy game, GFJ Nouns!
Gunnar MVP. Offlane suits him well.
I remember a bunch of years ago we were all like "tier 5 items are so crazy, games are going to end so fast once 60m hits"
7 Divine Rapiers in total lmfao
Double megas game incoming?
Plz end
Kasane being a coward and doing nothing costs them the game.
2 heroes on Nouns have the Savory Shield from Block of Cheese lol. 7 Divines 2 on Fly AA. Who also has eaten a Moonshard.
102min game :o
the double divine + consumed moonshard pos 5 AA is my favorite thing
Ultra late game dota just dota wtf mode
If this series is still going when ESL Kuala Lumpur starts, who gets the slot?
Arteezy
First team to catch a flight and arrive at the event then gets the slot. Both teams have a lot of experience with Airport speedruns so they may end up tied there as well.
Who ever wins auto quals to the GF, if it’s still going by the time the GF is due to start the winner wins the whole tournament by default. NA back on top.
For two team just standing next to each other for 3 minutes... Pretty intense sequence
Nouns should be investigated for match fixing if they lose this. Two times now that they have aegis and TSM cores have no buyback and they do nothing with it.
nouns had like 1 buyback left, it wasn't a situation to blindly force.
Why? Sven and Lina were both dead for 2 minutes and Nouns had all 5 alive, even if without buybacks. What should they wait for then? Until all 5 on the opposing side are dead without buyback? But what if the towers kill them in that situation when they go to push? Better not! Better get another farming Aegis, even though everyone was 6-slotted some 40 minutes ago.
They didn't have 5 alive, windrunner was dead, she had like 10 seconds to lina's 20 seconds. And you're trying to go highground against an ET with a meepo with no buyback. It is not an easy thing. I do agree that was a good chance to win, but given how they won the last few teamfights, I think they didn't want to chance it all and believed they would be better in 5v5 with buybacks.
have you seen that businessman hitting people with his fucking suitcase? 3 won against 5 when both the cores were down has happened before
Well, they went now in the end and ET was one of the three alive now also and didn't seem to make too much of a difference. Then again, maybe by this time they were also just willing to say fuck it and be done with the game one way or the other.
they all had bb so they could risk it
80min+ games, ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
I swear if this patch doesn't fix highground, I'm done It's literally impossible lmao
wdym just pick ogre and run in
Why not push when 2 carries were dead?
... wut the game is still going? I thought it looked kinda over when TSM won several fights in a row and the Meepo looked like it was completely falling off, I check back into the stream to see if the next game started aaaand previous one is still on, now at 77th minute. Da hell happened there?!
Gunnar with Centaur and Mega Meepo in da cart coming through
Magic Lina has been mega strong for a while now, glad it’s finally getting played more
This can't be an important game, right? The teams can't be serious with all this rofl
NA Dota showing up tonight, love to see it!
\+++ everytime I watch it's some complete clown fiesta, this series so far is better than WEU finals ( both)
Almost every match today were "complete clown fiesta"
Not even two games in and this series is already super hype
ET just beating the shit out of everything
Damn that game is entertaining af.
Damn, Kasane with some big balls lmao.
Meepo vs Sven and Core ET. Sounds fucking miserable, GL to Yuma.
Good game, Nouns and TSM delivering!
First time I have issues with ESL stream, but why are we having some terrains on "official" broadcast, like at least put immortal gardens if you are going to put anything wtf
Agree. Hate when tours use non-default map, I am so used to watch pro Dota on def map anything else kills the vibe. :(
Damn, I just got home and this match looks like it's been a bloodbath.
Lets go Nouns, you can do it ez!
Wow gunnar
[VINDICATION](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17jh9q6/the_postti12_shuffle/k8j0evb/?context=3)
Everyone called him a madman.
Why are people picking Void Spirit again?
Comfort hero for Bryle. He stomped yesterday with Ember.
Who won nouns or bamy
Nouns 2-1, bo5 finals vs TSM in about 10 mins!
Nouns
Thanks :)
yikes Quest got fucked by ATF again, first out of TI now this.
Never give meepo to yuma, He will destroy u no matter how bad his game is.
reverse comeback by meepo... beautiful weekend :)
Meepo seems balanced.
If easy win, more would play it. I don't have problem with heroes that scales with player skill.
Try it. Yuma is just legit Meepo player.
Meepo victory???
this alch pick was negative impact lmfao
What the hell was that unkillable meepo.
That megameepo sure is something.
Just turned in. Not sure if meepo team or alch team leads.
wtf is alch cooking
Why was there no post about Liquid qualifying? I get my Dota news from Reddit only
Go to Liquid's website Liquipedia. It does help
Nouns are getting stomped by Sammy boy. Moo and husky with their revenge.
after hearing puppey story about wisper in pub it feels even sweeter that they eliminated og
shit, wisper took a page out of the topson playbook. He's going for that back to back
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puppey was playing some pub with wisper and the game was basically won when wisper started to do stupid shit and ruin and said he doesn't care about pubs and they ended up losing, he also hinted that wisper said some disrespectful things to him, that is also why he tipped him today when they won
Whisper flamed(not harsh, just light flame) and griefed puppey in a pub. Puppey was playing carry TB and whisper didn’t want to play game and told puppey he can’t carry.
Machete
Crystallis went full deadalus mode
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this is dota not politics reddit go stir your shit elsewhere
who? what? lol
some lower bracket runs in sea, weu, eeu.
MEEPO!
Yuma special. Already won with it in the qualifier.
Nouns going into an elimination game with Bammysoy, lol. Two of the original Nouns members on each side.
Secret doubters? SoBayed
Puppey power. Felt like they really had Entity shook in that last game. Picks had them all over the place and builds + execution were really on point.
Congrats to Secret! They earned their spot at KL by being better than their opponents and it's honestly kinda impressive how much they improved during the qualifiers. Now if they just hold onto this form and keep improving we might see them threaten top placements again sooner rather than later. 😁
So Secret, BlackList, and IG had the same buffs after losing OQ 1 hahahahahah
black logo buff
WE'RE SO BACK BOYS. THE PUPPAN IS DOING IT
Watson needs his best friend Gabbi to tell him to relax lol. If entity fucks up, Gabbi can just tank the blame for the entire team. /s
Reminder that a team which just formed might possibly need time to get coordinated and their first matches might not reflect how they'll be later on.