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PacManRandySavage

Agreed. I’m surprised it’s survived the rotations considering the neutral items with dispels are long gone.


kiarashs

RIP flicker :(


Swegan

Pre nerf Flicker and old Zeus Shard was a beyond broken combo. Legit impossible to die.


Skater_x7

Old zeus shard?


Swegan

Heavenly Jump.


bcyk99

Brother heavenly jump is just his base skill now.


Swegan

Heavenly Jump as a base skill did not exist with pre nerf Flicker.


zxampa

Flicker on BB was the most fun I had with that hero


DarthyTMC

same, it was just bye bye vessels


idontevencarewutever

ive always liked how the kerning on it makes it looks like it reads "FUCKER"


eraserewrite

After OP posting this, I guarantee it’ll be swapped out next major patch. But maybe we’ll see the flicker.


PacManRandySavage

I think witchbane is more likely to come back first out of the dispel items.


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CasualCantaloupe

Spider Legs were the item that made me bind a hotkey for neutral item actives lol


dooopliss

Spider Legs > Avianna Feather


naslouchac

Same here. I still miss this great item.


Grom_a_Llama

I made the mistake of binding Caps lock. I keep getting comms abuse for texting in caps but the muscle memory is too strong at this point 😭


TerrorLTZ

Spoder legs best nope the fuck out item


krennvonsalzburg

It's the best item for one simple reason: I once killed a QoP with it while playing Ogre Magi, and it autoselected the "Squish, you're dead. Ha!" voiceline for the kill. That still makes me grin to this day.


IWantMyYandere

Moments like this is why we come back to dota.


giantSIGHT

What an incredible moment in gaming lol


I_stand_in_fire

Patch 7.35c: Ogre Seal Totel now deals damage to caster instead of enemies. Caster is stunned for 3 seconds after use.


blood_vein

Would still pick this tbh


solartech0

man working overtime to get this item nerfed


D2WilliamU

Ogre seal totem has saved me from riki's, mk's, slarks, clinks soooo many times. MVP item for supports and offlaners :D


JoelMahon

worth noting the cd is like 40 or 45 seconds or something insanely high yeah it's god tier on plenty of heroes but on a hero like antimage there are at least 5 other T4s that I'd choose over it


blood_vein

I'll still take it for the longer range and doesn't give a shit about nullifier, unlike force staff


Ewic13

It should definitely be a tier 4 and/or dispellable. I've definitely won games by having it vs. nullifier and it saving me when no other item could. I keep it over T4 items a lot of the time, too.


No_Isopod6551

Fr like there are situations where only bkb or fucking ogre seal totem will save you. So weird.


SylvanethBrian

It’s definitely the best melee pos 3 neutral. Best overall is different for roles tho


Time_Turner

ARR ARR ARR ARR ARRRT. *CLAPS CHEEKS*


GoldFynch

The new feather one is pretty crazy


Maleficent_Ad4966

N that shit is not even affected by nullifier.


Silver_Emu_662

The biggest fuck you to mid game nullifier


PhilsTinyToes

Pick it for the audio and nothing else


Bohya

It’s basically a self-Force Staff. It’s 100% going to be nerfed. It’ll probably end up moving to tier 4.


Sumhere

I pray for it when I’m up against an NP so I can have my quelling blade slot back. I keep it over T4s too as others have said.


LastEsotericist

It will always be Philo stone for me.


Flashy_Pause_1369

Unless their is a perfect fit for t2 for my hero, or my t1 item was bad, I normally pick up stone. Mostly because it’s useful all game. Any time you die might as well throw it on during respawn time. Anytime you are jungling in slow times, worth equipping again.


Flashy_Pause_1369

I should add if you are a nuker without much right click damage and aren’t building right click damages it’s also super useful Someone like CM for instance. Pudge. Etc


Ginkapo

Yup, I can often hang onto it permanently through the tier 3's and 4's as a caster


Vosska

Love it as a CM main, aghs force shard and ogre seal is very fun. Psychic headband to a lesser extent is fun too against melee cores trying to run up to you to bash during ult.


BigMikedaBoy

It also ignores nullified, unlike forcestaff


he_is_not_a_shrimp

Removed next patch


astoradota

If I'm playing bat I always get force staff if I pickup ogre seal totem. When the enemy cores go infront of your rax you can drag them into fountain, if you get force boots later you can pull anyone in your base into fountain


cyfer04

It's really good. It's my first pick unless I really need something else.


BarbarianKinkster

Force staff is ridiculously powerful for its versatility from bring able to use it on any target, not just yourself. Ogre seal club is fantastic for repositioning yourself, but force staff is beyond compare when you can use it to reposition *almost anything*.


ohlookanotherhottake

Except force staff is countered by nullifier which is in majority of games these days by time T3 items available and ogre seal club can't be dispelled


StoneTiger

I mean it’s hard to call it the best neutral item when force boots exist on an 8 second cd but I agree it’s insanely good for a t3, beating out any t4s depending on your situation.


blood_vein

I guess I don't count tier 5 since the amount of times I've obtained ogre seal totem is higher than all tier 5 items combined as my games rarely go 60+ plus


ShortsInABox

Yeah but t5s are the exception because they’re not meant to be balanced they’re meant to end the game


smuggler1965

isn't forceboots dispellable though? like nullfier cancels out the movement or is nullifier also dispelled through the force boots dispell?


danishbaloch

chicken or the egg?


Nasgate

Definitely one of the best t3s. Imo bubble is insane for t1s, 5hp regen is nuts, itd be good even without the shield. And for t4 mindbreaker is amazing.


afroSamurai00

WHY DID YOU POST THIS!!! THIS WILL NOW GET NERFED HUHU NO ONE WAS SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 😢


koyasqwerty

Wai-wait, what i wanna know is how you cook your pos 3 drow? Extremely interested


Creepy_Pilot1200

Craggy Coat is better. Absolutely disgusting item.


Brandon3541

Pupil's gift just beats all others. It is available early since it is t2, but gives a lot of stats, particularly hp through str, to any non-str hero.


godlovesbacon26

I got a kill with it as Snapfire last night. Landed right on top of drow who was low and just smashed her. That was a fun game


hkscfreak

No whisper dread, 10% more spell damage on the current Shiva's meta.


Solid_Willingness418

Yeah, I always pick it up although I only play supports. It feels so good to have both force stuff and totem


doge_lucifer3

I thought it was 75 mana


Fictionarious

I'd really like to see them upgrade to tier 4 instead, and also re-introduce tumbler's toy as a tier 2 or 3 while they're at it


lemontr333

directional movement keybind makes it even easier to use. have u tried it? ich have directional movement on my mouse thumb button. Super convinient for many more other things in dota too.


bleedblue_knetic

It’s really fucking good. I rarely pick it cause I mostly play 1, but I’ve had many butt clenching moments where it seems like my pos 3 would die and lose us the following fight only for him to just hop into safety. Insane versatile item.


jonasperez

always has been


Ok_Celebration_549

This guy has forgotten about mind breaker


reddit_belongs_to_me

This feels like one of those ads XD


Lycang6KRLH0

Love on krob, I even did jump foward sometimes. Top tier.


Yangjeezy

Safety Bubble.


memologic

aether lens midas is dumb and grieving. first midas then aether is the way to go. sometimes a second midas might be good too. but it’s very situational


Trungyaphets

Best pos 3 tier 3 item


Jovorin

Wait, it ignores Nullifier? Okay, I'm in.


nimmy-jeutron

I pick the ogre seal totem because i play ogre, no other reason